Commander Cookout Podcast, Ep 194 - Double Master Round 1... FIGHT! | MtG | EDH | CMDR

Hello, this week we announce episode 194 of the

podcast

. I'm Brandon, here with Ryan. Today we will continue the arc of good vibes. We're taking a first look at Double Masters. Now it's our theme song. Hi Ryan, we're back. another whirlwind adventure, how are you doing, yeah, bonus episode, adventure, what's going down, a whole ton is going down, some card prices are going down, I'd say it's not enough, some people would argue it's just the right amount, ya we have thanked all our sponsors for the week, but thanks again for supporting the show and everyone else who was here, we also have to thank our official sponsor facetofacegames.com, Canada's largest magic store, a good place to order your

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s if you want to do so.

Ah, there's the first one. here I'm not going to say it's hot or cold that's just a take that's just a take I'm not trying to put out the hot fire this week sorry everyone I've actually been having a

fight

in my head with you guys oh yeah about this one set for a week, you know what we used to do. I'm not going to say

fight

because that's a pretty extreme word. We used to discuss how we wanted the content to sound much more than it does now. Yes three. years has not necessarily always put us on the same page, but we are both moving in exactly the same direction, yes, we both have the same goal in mind and we work well enough together to be able to get there, yes, and we understand that both sides of the coin are important, so we are looking at

double

master

double sided coins, ah, so, this is not really a set review, but we want to talk about our thoughts, give everyone the opinion of whether it is hot, cold, negative, positive, mostly positive. from my perspective mainly I'm going to say very critical from yours, yes there is a lot to love about this set, it's just that the tree that grew is amazing and I love it, but the seed that the tree grew from is just me. having a hard time getting over it, okay, I get it, I get it, you know what we didn't do yesterday.

Good vibes of the week. This is the arc of good vibes. We want to highlight the positivity in our community. maybe in our real community or in the magic community maybe this set is a positive environment, it's a good environment, it has caused a lot of division, it has people talking, it has people talking, but it also has a lot of people arguing, people are polarized. I'm very polarized about this, I don't think there are many people who are in the middle, which I think I'm a middle runner on a lot of things and people say, "Well, if you're in the middle, you're in the middle." you're on the side of whatever's right with the status quo you're happy with the way things are yeah hey wait wait we're getting into this again what's the good vibe what's the good that's not even what I said I think the good vibes I think there are a lot of good things to see no matter what side of the coin you're on, even if you're very defensive of everything magicians do and they just can't do anything wrong or if Are you just complaining?

Everything that happens anywhere at any time there is a middle ground where yes, there are criticisms of this set and they are valid and we can all discuss that and get along and move on and some of us are going to buy these cards, some of us no, some of us will buy sealed products, some of us won't, yes, some of us will be angry because the cards are still too expensive for you to buy, but you know, that's okay because they were more expensive than you were willing to pay. for a card four months ago before this set was spoiled, so it's not like you're really missing anything as it is and I don't agree with that, but it's one way to look at things where you don't you may feel you are being personally attacked by magicians, yes they print expensive cards on a premium product that is protected by premium air quotes, msrp, no it should not be offensive to you, for example, I like sports cars, I like big trucks when not. make as much money as I used to and I still want to have a fast sports car that has an ex like a high price because horsepower costs money just like you know mana crips are horsepower for the deck that cost money yeah I couldn't afford it.

You know, a 2020 corvette with my old salary. I can't afford a 2020 corvette on my current salary. Do I still like the car? Do I still like watching Chevrolet Motors racing at Le Mans? Yes, I still like all those things that I still want. to look at that car when I go, you know, driving by the dealership on Sunday, I still want to look at that car when I go to car shows, I still want to see it at the race track when I go, the race track is not open right now , but it's not offensive to me that the price of a 2020 Corvette is higher than a 2019.

They redesigned it, put new art on it, fixed it up, got an old artist to do the art and design the card and it's going to be expensive . right, the new cyclonic rift art, for example, the art on those are going to be ridiculous, it shouldn't be offensive to me or anyone who wants that card and can't afford it because, and say what you want, it's a game and It's a hobby and it should be fun, but you know what hobbies cost money, no matter what your hobby is, name me any hobby, any one, it's going to cost you money and you might say something very, very obtuse like, oh, gardening doesn't cost money. .

Well, do you plant yours? Do you harvest your own seeds from flowers? No or purchases in the store. That's money. Did you build yours? Did you forge your own garden shovel? Well, that would be sick, of course. Well, yes, I did well. How did you do it? Do your forging right and if you didn't spend real money, how much is your time worth? If your hobby didn't actually cost you any money, how much is your time worth? How much is your time worth? If you're a freelancer, like many of us, your time is worth money, so there's a very, I don't want to say it's a very deep thought, but it goes way beyond just oh, they put up this new art that's very desirable, so so much, expensive on this deluxe collectors card game that I can't afford, it shouldn't be cause for offense, so I don't know, those are just my thoughts, I don't think and think again, we're on the same page.

We're moving in the same direction, there are desirable things here that we want and if it's not like full art, alt art, new atraxa or crypt maniac or whatever, it's just the normal old shit with the same art it had last time that card. It's going to be, you know, 10 20 less and that's good, that's not true now that I'm coming from this and it's not that I'm not offended, I'm sorry, I'm monologuing, I'm going to hit you with a little bit shorter one, but Here is where I get out of this and is the barrier to entry this presents because master sets cost more money.

Yes, that's how they do things and I don't like it. I don't like it, but. I think this particular maybe has really improved especially as a

commander

player and someone who is trying to attract more people to play with us. This is a really big barrier to entry for those people because it has a lot of cards that the people that are went out and bought a pre-con right last year yesterday we talked to xavier what's up with this Irish deck? You want to build it and you want to change your parallel lives for a doubling season or you want to add a big card here, this set is going to do for prices, what a giant growth could hypothetically do for your

commander

's damage because taking a commander 7- 7 and converting it to 10-10 is exactly the same as yes, manic crypt 200 is 160 but it is still too much for many people, yes you know how we call it tarmogoyf effect, manic crypt 200 will be more affordable for people who they can pay 20 percent less for it and when it sells out at 160. dollars it will go back up to 200, the stores will start charging 180 and that's where the new air quote price will be, which is that 20 less than 200 is negligible for people who can't afford it.

I recognize and appreciate what I don't do. What I don't like is what I think is a little flawed in terms of logic: Double Masters is not an entry-level product, so when someone calls it when someone says the barrier to entry doesn't exist because entry it's a precondition the entrance is to take cards that you already have and that you have obtained through a booster box or by drafting and building a commander deck that is the entrance there are several doors to the map like yes, yes, the entry barrier to the magic the meeting is to buy a pre-economy it is to spend money and use your car whatever is right it is to play jump start that as much as I hate the sand as much as I leave the sand all the time I am having a lot of fun playing jumpstart oh yeah , it's a lot of fun, okay, that's cool, you hope they do it often, yeah, just to introduce new decks and rotate shitty old ones if they were to do it every year in the arena all the time.

I'd be on board like they just printed the new Jumpstart 100, that's a good vibe because it's a great format, it's super fun and for people who are really bad at narrow scope like me, but I still like the idea that be so. low power feeling, the startup is perfect, and it's so much that they've done all the work for you, you just mash and then you just play and then you mash and it's great and I haven't had any bad games. I haven't had any blowouts. It's so fun that it's almost like they know what they're doing when they design limited sets correctly and that's why they've done it so well or whatever, but going back to what we were saying, that's your entrance, it's like your second door, is something like jumpstart, like if you bought a pre-con and filled it with cards you own, that's the first thing and then the second thing would be something like jumpstart, where you're going to invest more in some more cards, maybe with hoping to get a certain rare card and I think like four or five doors after that, you've been playing commander at your local edh m for a few months, but or in vedh you can't play in the store right now, sure We all know what you're saying.

I'm just clarifying that we have to be safe, yes, but you want, I don't mean you want to go to the big kids table, but you want to go play with these guys here who have a little more powerful decks and although They are willing to come down and play with you with their lower powered stuff, you want to go up a level, this is the barrier to entry to go up a level, yeah, oh yeah, that, I can do that. Yeah, and I can see so vividly in my mind a world where even this is like the cost level of modern horizons, like it's twice as much as a regular booster bag, it's ten bucks a pack instead of thirty, you know.

What do I mean? even that would ruin a lot of these cards for a while and I just like that that's what I'd really like to see. I'm not saying that's what they should have done because that's what I'd like to see. I would like to see these reprints. sets that are clearly aimed at people like us are more achievable with people who are ascending to the level that this one is clearly oh yes, this is 100 directly aimed at me and you and people like us yes, this is who it is for who it is prepared for to us, they're trying to siphon money off of us and they know there are people that will pay for it and yeah, and I don't plan on doing that, but I mean, that's what I say when I say that's what I mean when I say you know what you know. what analogy okay so we want to go to Disneyland okay there's the barrier to entry it's paying to get into the parking lot because you have to do that 10 bucks whatever 10 bucks to spice up your car 10 bucks to reserve your car, we're at that's our pre-con, yes, we have our pre-con in our parking lot, yes, we want to play big, we want to ride the Hulk roller coaster at Universal Hell, yes, yes.

We do it, she shoots you before you think you're going to fall, that's good, oh she's a good 100, yeah, yeah, you gotta sit in the front. 100 will do it, yes, yes, we want to play at that table, well, we can, we can. so I will further explain the analogy: we are only interested in Hulk's journey, we don't care about everything else because we may have been to Universal Studios many times, that is, we have played magic for a long time, it is We may have been to all the attractions also known as we already have atraxa and mana crips we need a ruined steel colossus which is the hulk roller coaster if we don't know anything better we are going to go out and pay 200 300 for the entrance to the park which is a box There is no big lineup waiting for us to break that Plagued Steel Colossus in our booster box or we just want a trip buying a Plagued Steel Colossus for say 20 less than it used to be so instead of 80 it's like 60 dollars that we pay 60 dollars to ride that Hulk roller coaster on a ride, but we no longer pay 400, we pay 60 on a ride, but we get what we want and that is the functional equivalent of buying singles and sometimes it feels bad thatpeople Let's say a holy card costs 60 dollars.

I could buy several packs for that, but the point is that you don't get the experience you want by moving to the big kids table like you say when you buy a box of packs because you might not. get the cards you want, yeah, and I mean buy opening packs, it's fun, it's a great time, man, and this is coming from someone who always complains about not having money and hating packs, yeah, and I used your bags, they're fun, but they're fun. They are fun and opening them is a cool experience and opening them with your friends is an even cooler experience twice as much.

VIP Master Packs, oh you don't even know what those 30 cards are, all the tight booster packs right, we haven't said what He is the double master. The 20 card booster packs they have are those 20 cards. 15 card booster packs, two rares instead of one rare, foils in each pack, like who's good in each pack, this is the bonus of premium sets which is to get foils and open rares for the commander formula. They're looking at 30 to 35 a pack here in Canada, yeah, and they have the vip edition 140. Which we'll get into next, sure, that name. I hope people can't hear the workers banging on the ceiling and they'll be back again this week.

Sorry everyone and if you can we apologize for the vip booster here in Canada after USD conversion. a cad and the tariffs that our government has on things made of cardboard that come into the country yes and the taxes you are looking at 160 dollars for a deck with the double masters expected yes the expected value says you could probably make a hundred dollars from that, based at current card prices you could open like the double mythic alt art foil pack and you know you could have a pack of 500, yes I know it's been covered many times, I know a lot of European countries have different laws.

At this point, at what point does it become a game of chance? Do you mind? And I make these packages based on price and expected value or not expected value, if you are 18 years or older to purchase them or 21 years old in the United States to purchase them based on cost and expected value. I think the expected value of this should be higher. There is too much Jeff and that would be facilitated by lowering the price to buy it or throwing away all the garbage that is there. In it, why did they put the reflection cycle here?

Only one of them is played and it's not even played anymore. They are all one dollar or two cards. Yes, because I believe they are played in Commander and Therese Nielsen illustrated them. so they needed to get that out of there, I think to rescue those like there's so much chaff, there's not a whole ton of chaff, but it always goes bad and this is like there's also twice as rare, twice as many chances of getting the good cards we've been talking about all this time are much lower, it's like buying a mystery pack, so there is a criticism: you think there are too many rares in volume because they built them for the quote draft environment airlines, but they are VIP. the packs are not intended for the draft, oh no, so they are intended for breaking sick foils and earning $140 per pack.

However, there is no eraser on them, so they are literal loot boxes. Yeah, I mean, loot boxes have proven to be an effective way. way to make money absolutely and I'm not going to get into the game but it's close to the game as you can see yeah if they were still in Germany Germany would kick them out for those vip reinforcements you know what when you look at the expected value? versus price and you extrapolate it to a five dollar package and the expected value like the math is probably pretty close so it's like it costs more but the expected value also goes up relatively so it's actually worse than buying going go to the store and buy 20 packs and expect to get the same amount of dollar cards as buying a double masters vip pack and I think that's what people are missing from this whole fiasco is if you're buying packs to open them and win money.

You are doing it wrong because you are investing and if you are going to invest just buy a sealed product and don't open it and then you can be a real hashtag mtg finance person and you can just keep your sealed boxes in your closet and you can take them out in five years when they are guaranteed to be worth more and sell them then don't open them looking for value so I think the ev of a box is less like if you opened a 35 booster pack I hope. a card of 35, I think that's wrong, oh it's not, I think, but I think you should be able to open a pack of 35 and I don't think it's outrageous or right or anything negative to think that you know what I opened. a 35 booster pack and opened two dollars worth of rares and foils.

I don't think that should ever happen the way it does and that should be made easier by not putting rare two dollar items in there or it should be made easier by lowering the price to buy it. I would like to say lower the price, but let's say the price is the price is the price and whatever, but have less shit, there is so much garbage in this like they ruin all this stuff and everyone is excited and super excited, but there is a pile of rubbish here there is a lot more rubbish than good stuff we should have banger masters only bangers well that's what you call it it is like that but magicians are obviously aware of the value of the air quotes of these cards yes although they can't talk about it, right?

They can't talk about it, but they are clearly aware of it and they are clearly printing with that in mind, so they couldn't put those pieces there and here is a fact from someone who played in Ravnica. Draft doubling season is a shitty draft. card, so there are a lot of cards here that aren't designed for drafting, they're designed to increase pack value, yeah, how about that doubling season alternate art? Although for my guy ron spencer is medium, the ron spencer card i What matters most to me in this set is manic crypt manic, but only the new art which I don't like, I like the original better, I actually really like that one new art and I think that's what annoys me the most, it's the only card in the set that I want and it's, it's not, it's not, it's not that far out of my reach, but it's like it's a special gift.

I'm taking my entire business portfolio to an event when that happens again in 2027 and I can trade my entire portfolio to get one. Well, you could change up your existing manic crypt and get a big chunk out of the price of that extended artistic manicure. Hey, let's look at the cards, let's look at some cards because we'll find things to be excited about when we look at them. cards, well let's get started, we talked about the Hulk roller coaster, yeah, okay, he shot to the top, now he's hard as a rock and then we've been talking about let's do the other negative thing I want to talk about, okay , and this is the and I don't think anyone can talk me out of this, so let's do it first, okay, here's Ryan, okay, this is what I hinted at before that it's the vip booster and it's not the fact that are so expensive.

It's not the fact that they have nine basics, it's the fact that they call it VIP booster. Everyone knows a very important VIP person and what that implies to me is that the very important people are the ones who have money and are willing. Giving a lot to wizards, which would suggest that people who don't have money are of less importance. Exactly, we don't like to do double negative type inference logic. If you don't have this, you are not like that. Yes, that's not true, but that's what they infer by saying: give us money, more money, you will be more important and you will be rewarded with things of greater value exactly and they could, that's how capitalism works.

More money means more things. true, that's the truth, but it's the name, I think you have problems with exactly, it's the name, it's the product title, it's a very important person booster, they have a perfectly good deluxe version of every set that comes. came out and it's called a collector's booster they could have said this is the double masters collector's edition and if the vip booster has 30 cards whatever if it has 30 cards I'm trying to remember and I don't remember and we don't have the product page in front of us because we're just having a conversation, but if you have 30 cards and a regular pack has 15, this would be double and it would be double.

Masters double size collector booster yeah and they could and if they hadn't said that cool cool cool 140 bucks I'm bouncing yeah I'm happy with the price yet no no I'm legit my first car. that i didn't spend a dollar on my dad because yeah, it was a 1982 chevrolet camaro t-top oh yeah, i'm a cool z edition, yeah, yeah, so it was a good car and it had whatever chevy is, the chevy version of the Si 250 or 350 was a truck engine, it had a truck, it had a truck engine, they had altered it to put a thing in it that could melt the tires down to the rims with a light, it was the coolest car and I It cost less than a booster box of vip boosters ooh yeah it's like 1500 bucks hey yeah like that's a lot and I mean yeah that was years ago but the point is I bought a really nice car Yes, and it's just the name itself.

I think that's a sticking point for me, as soon as I heard it I thought no, I don't like it, I don't like it, I can agree with that because the name of the thing and reading it in Magic tells you what it is. the thing and it makes the name of something important, yes, and it has weight, and when you tell me that I am more important when I spend more money, that is something important for people who spend money if we look. On the other side of the coin, I sure want to feel important if I have the money to spend on this if the air quotes product is for me I want to be important I want to show off and tell people that I have a box of this or I have a VIP I want open this in open flippy and toast to it I want to be that guy and you too, but I think we want to be that guy for different reasons you want affordable cardboard I want the prestige of being that guy I'm a little more vain, I'm a little more selfish, I which is crazy because I'm the one who plays all the foils, yeah right, I play trash, right, I play non-foil trash cards and much more. of them are beat up and I got them from a collection where the guy smokes it just stinks like you know what would be cool on a set like this and I think we've talked about this before if so like me.

I don't want to call it VIP boot, you have like the collector's double booster, yeah, as much money as it is, yeah, so you have the regular double masters, we'll call it a draft booster, even a regular booster, a regular booster and that's what much that is and you. I could have a player pack and the player pack is the one that's just for the people who want the cards no foils no alternate art no chance of these fancy box plugs yeah yeah they're just the cards that would build a premium on all products to spread the price over the cost of marketing and producing the plastic to package it correctly and then making sure that they would increase the price of everything so that you would still pay that premium, they would include it in their campaign. it was for success more than five dollars or whatever for a package, but I think something like that would be yeah, yeah, that would be a great solution because then you'll have a chance to do the normal things, yeah, like you can still get them. you draw your plague steals you yeah whatever you're right, I don't want to pay 200 for a mana crypt, I don't want to pay 50 for a rift, I need another non-foil warm altar for example right?

I can spend maybe eight dollars nine dollars on a normal pack without foils or maybe or the same drop in foil rate as the normal packs or maybe and this is crazy maybe they have the cheapest booster so people can have the luxury of playing in a draft environment that they created for this set, ah, I'm not interested in that because I think drafting this set would be very difficult because when I was drafted in kaladesh I opened two x not inventions, inventions and it's like, obviously , you take that and it kind of tanks your draft or whatever, but I mean, well, not all the time that happens, but the point is that if you open, let's say you're playing in the draft and you open the mythical quad pack, it would be so sick that it would be Awesome and you would take your mana or you would take your carn foil and then you would pass the carn foil or the manicrypt foil.

The other 300 I would have a very difficult time with that, yes, because I spent a lot of money and got the package. Everyone's dreaming and then everyone else gets my and I get a skarg spriggan whatever that eventide sprite's name is, you know what I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard not to think, while the person to your right, if it's the first draft pack, you might also have a really good pack and you'll get something else, but the odds of getting all four mythic packs are pretty low, so it would be hard for it not to last long for me to say, well, the person next to you he might get a package like that too and he hands you another foil carn just as an example yeah and it could happen but it probably won't happen so let's talk about something interesting yeah you mentioned the Karn controversy do you like it the art, the panorama?

It ruined the picture a bit when you put the four cards together, Karn's art doesn't quite align with the rest of Urzatron's art,They cut a little piece to frame Karn a little in the middle of the card. Better controversy, I don't care when you add up the four works of art by Mark Teden, who totally owned Carn Face, yes, on Facebook and you just resurrect people. He is happy to be out of the Forexia layoffs. If he wants to be naked big time. and in charge and a rock hard silver golem, how would you feel after escaping the level 12 of a hellish escape from hell that they made of you?

They put you in a glass of rocks for decades, man, I'd look like Moz Goose from Berserk too. And if you don't know who it is look it up because it's the same face with a hat. oh yeah man so I love the art, I love the throwback, these are all good vibes, now I think so, I love the art of these, i love the throwback to the old artist we mentioned, mark teden, mark tedden, mark tadine, whatever his name is. It's whether he's listening, which will probably add us and we'll pronounce his name correctly the next time we say it.

I met him half a dozen times at events and asked him to sign and alter cards and he actually stood up and talked to him, f joel and I just go and talk to artists all the time at events, that's why they are so funny in 2027, when they come back to him, I never asked him how you say your name right, but Ron Spencer did too. art for things like alt art doubling season and manic crypt and manic crypt in just a second to get us all excited about manicrypt cali from atraxa's vast plague heist and doubling season back in may and then nothing until they release a bunch of lands and say, hey, these will be in packs, it's the john avon unhinged arts that have new frame treatments and the noah bradley ones, ooh, right, and it's like even the first set of trailers was polarizing and then he released lampolt champion like on the first day of official previews and they say yeah, there's the straw because lampole lampold champion is a great card, it's a great card and I'm very excited that people can play with the lampholder champ but he should be on this set I don't think so yeah and we got hit with somber lavamancer2a and that's okay other

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s have talked about it I don't want to talk about it all the time I want to talk about you.

I know there is a reprint of Jace the Mind Sculptor which is a good card, maybe not for edh, but I will alter the release of that card and oxygen on Thursdays. I want to talk about how this car was released, although I don't like that photo. Really, really. I like the art in the picture, you know what I mean, yes, you are talking about them, yes, we should talk about this, yes, the lands of Urza. I love those lands of Ursa. If I could get them at a reasonable price, I would 100% own them to look at.

Check them out because they're beautiful, they're everything I like, the colors, the style and the actual theme, it looks like something I would have missed if you've ever played Mist or Riven or any of those, it looks like this. They're throwbacks to old urza gadgets, right, yes, they're beautiful, it's just that car and I don't like it, it's got weird long arms and small legs and a weird facial expression, and it's just not for me, Valentine's Day card skip the leg, yes. You never skip leg day, legs are really people like legs, yeah I like it, I like a good leg, yeah you're fucked up as hell, I like that, what else is here?

It's cool, we have swords, are we going to get all the swords? Do you think they'll just print all but the two modern horizons? I'm not sure they probably don't see modern horizons once you're probably right good vibes just good vibes just random well the modern horizon ones were right well some of them are like a piece okay , but it's not, no, it's not fire, it's good, but it's in the cycle, although true, it's part of that first sword cycle where these other two are there, you'll probably see two more or three, the rest in command u horizons in December or whenever that Commander Legends set comes out, so if you're going to make the swords, you gotta have war and peace. also and one piece isn't terrible it's just not as good as these other four really good cars yeah we might see them again just because they need gear for their Commander draft product right yeah but we have a helical coil of steel for sculpting.

We have explosives designed with engines, I'm going to say basics like Sun Forger and Sharoom, if we can, if we can say commanders or legendary creatures are basics, Sharoom is one that we would like to build. We have a beautiful new exploration. Well, that makes me really angry because I spent a hundred dollars on my aluminum exploration. Oh honey, well, I didn't. I traded a hundred dollars worth of cards to someone else for an aluminum scan and I really like that photo. You like that one? i really like that medium you know how i like neons and purples i don't like them they look like them and this just goes back to the art you didn't like the art karn not the style it's the theme it's just the picture.

I'm turning it around, I like the theme, it's a big flower, I don't like the style, they look like the lands of the Iquaria tricycle, what are the triumphs called? They look like the triumphs of the alternative art comic. They don't look a little cartoony or anime, but they look like they belong in, you know, Fallout or what's the other game that kids play like Fortnite. They look like they are colored by Fortnite animators and I don't like that. kind of look I was thinking about this on our way to the show and this is actually the card that made me think about this I know in your land deck or whatever all your basics are the frameless ones yeah folks Now that I have a bunch of frameless cards in noren from m21, I'm getting quite soft on the decorations on the boxes, oh yeah, yeah, they're not special anymore, well, it's not that they're not special, it's just that when I open my fan cards you have all of these like they don't look uniform yeah yeah instead of seeing all the black edges when you just stick your hand out like a fan yeah and it makes things look a little messy it baffles me a little and you have Those in your things are easy to find.

I have exactly two basics in that deck because they are easy to find. I fan my deck and I just like to fan it all over my hand like I'm tipping the deck. The deck looks like a magic trick. It's got two basics right there and some, especially some like this, like some of them, um fiery emancipation, it's got a lot of black in it, so you don't really notice it as much, but something like this. where the top is like these vivid greens and blues and there's a purple on the edge and you say no and I just like it and I love the art of this card but I feel like I really own one you know I liked the idea to have one, I thought, oh yes, I want one, yes, I want one in aluminum foil.

I wanted an amazing omnath, but then the reality of having it, I probably found out that my cards are what they are. It doesn't match the rest of the cards, you curmudgeon, that's all, I have everything I want and I'm still complaining about it. Oh, you must be a magical player who knew that you know what Jason. I'll put it better on Twitter, even a friend of the program. although we never spoke to him, we only spoke on Twitter, he says that even if this game is not for you, it will ultimately drive prices down, even if it is a marginal price drop, when we are talking about a 20 drop in a 200 card like that, it is still unaffordable. but if you know that a ten dollar car comes down to a seven or eight dollar card, that's a good thing, even if it's not for you and you don't spend a red cent, if they still existed, they do know the south, oh , in the land of the free. freedom dollars, if you spend a penny of freedom dollars on this pack or if you don't but need an austere commander, a sneak attack or a giant stone cutter, they will be a little cheaper, so, this product is for you because it's going to be a little bit cheaper, so we can be very critical because this product will do a lot of good things for everyone and all those cards that I just listed are in this set on the screen right now, yeah, and there are all the cards that are good and Commander Stone here, a giant that we have played in various decks, austere commands, various decks, both of them are not difficult to get, I guess the austere command is not difficult to get, but it is a little expensive and the opposite is true, here it is stone.

It's expensive, oh, I was going to say that the stone here is not expensive, but since it's from Lauren Block it's hard to get, it's both, oh, it's hard to get and it's expensive, it's from Norway, oh yeah, and the foils don't matter, yes, but I would do it. I don't think he'll get frustrated, that's right, I don't want to think about foils right now, I can't, well, maybe you can get an aluminum one in this set, which is cool, yeah, maybe that's cool, that's all. we have more here, so yes, we are looking. I see a noble hierarchy and a voice of resurgence, not really for us as commander players, but expensive cards and if we crack them, even if they are worth 20 less than last week. take them to your lgs get some store credit trade them in someone will buy them kraken wick cremator there is one that I saw that I was just what the mother of that one is this and I'm going to read it I said the same thing red red two for five when enters the battlefield discard a random card if you discard a creature card this way, deal damage equal to that creature's power to target player Planeswalker well, that goes in a goblin deck, sure as hell not.

To man, I'm going to do this, you sure didn't even finish your sentence, yeah, slap my lips off. Dragon wick cremator Brando can just rub and spank, lick my crack, oh yeah he can just lick the sweat out of my anus. that card oh man hey we have a reprint of the rift we are just scrolling up the list in chronological order of everything that is released there it is about the rift with the new alt art we have the new dark confidant , which is a card I'm putting. on the cover of my lands because I will never suffer any harm.

How do we feel about Steven Seagal Dark? We are confident that we have Skrillex and we have Steven Seagal. How do we feel about it? I'm happy because that means we have two weeks in a row. to reference steven seagal on the show, but you know there's a little bit of controversy about the art of the dark confidant, we're not here to talk about that today, I didn't, yeah, I didn't even know I just think it's okay, i think the art is off kilter, i like that the card exists, i traded mine outright for a cryptic command years ago and that trade is still valid because the cryptic will never be reprinted but the dark confidant will so maybe i'm getting ahead maybe and I need one I don't have one I wasn't going to pay 70 for one so now I'll probably buy one yeah I mean I really like skrillex's art I don't like the dark and safe one because no It doesn't seem very dark to me, like there's even sun in the background, you know, yeah, maybe what he's whispering to that old man like it might seem a little more sinister, dark teachings, yeah, you know, I feel like there might be been a bit. darker and more confident, I guess I don't know, that's my only real criticism of the art, yeah, and then we have sex offender art and then we have crop rotation, you like that one with Doran, no, oh, moving towards you like the wrath of God, although with Thomas Baxter I met that guy in Vegas, cool man, that wrath of God is your favorite, yeah, not even a little close, get really close and look at all the guys and dragons and you just go, oh, you're absorbed or impressed, it's real, whether it's from space, either way, don't Google it, no, I love that art, I want to buy one of those, I'll have that card, that's a good idea because I love that art, contact Thomas Baxter, what?

Do you think the original is worth two because he paints traditionally? I think that would be too much, most likely yes, most likely for the judgment of our blood council, friend, I bet you anger is something interesting, yes, I think that particular impression might even be a lot more because it is the buy box, yes there will be plenty of those floating around so it will probably be pretty affordable for an aluminum one, even yes it might be so the non aluminum one might be worth it. more because it's not the box topper, it depends on how many boxes are sold, but box sales will also inform the prices of the non-foils you find in the packs, so I don't know, it depends on what you want, yes, art Great, that's very good advice from the council.

I just wanted to mention it because it's a very strong commander card that no one plays because it was like a conspiracy card, a voting card and you know where it's going to be really good, really good, let me tell you the blank decks are one on one . -a draft, I'm getting rid of one thing they voted for, like what the hell really, oh yeah, I'm not saying they're going to hate the straw here on purpose, they know which cards should be reprinted regardless of yes or no. price informs your decisions and it's not like there's a set of commanders showing up at any time, what will be in that set?

Just all the legends, you know what would be amazing and thisIt won't happen, but man, I'll eat my own shoe. Oh god I literally can't eat my own shoe and post the video on the internet if everything is on Double Masters and then all the new stuff is just Commander Legends it's just that they just take it we just put a new pack around the same 15 cars, sorry guys, we took all these unused double masters because they were too expensive when we repackaged them, yeah, mate, oh man, now can you imagine the conspiracy theories? He simply repackaged them, removed all the odd ones, and sold them to them. a website you're selling them on eBay under the guise of whatever oh man, let's move on, let's move on we're not a conspiracy theory

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podcast look at your boy, try to get the sphere reprinted oh, I'm so excited, maybe I can get my i I lost two of them, I don't know where they are, I don't know how I lose two of them, but now I can get them back, maybe that's it, there's a lot of them and hey, look at the runes on the academy for me, great. but all the land filters and that you like so much I'm excited, excited, excited that this is the weird cycle on this thing, if I have a weird landscape other than Skylands, did you put them on, would you be more or less excited if that cycle of rare earths was the equivalent color pair for fetchlands oh hey all the positives all the positives yeah we got we got filter earths dude we got them.

Filter soils are great and I think they are actually inexpensive things for people who can. I can't search for lands and who can't because we all know that the search lands are going to show up somewhere because they got them because they said they would because they had like four months left. They got cheese on their faces about what the secret lair was. lair edition of 100 boxes which again I am convinced that was the printing they were doing they were going to reprint fetchlands this year secret their fetchlands that's terrible oh people are angry don't worry guys we are going to print them again another, another secret layer , secret cape, Fetchland game edition, five thousand dollars, the leaked lands are great.

I highly recommend playing them if you have them and I think you'll be able to get them because you can get them somewhere, yeah, you know what? I'm very tempted by the rares in this set, they're just normal rares to spend the money on to get a booster box just to fill my overstocked trades folder just to post stuff because there are so many we have. I made the joke before there were so many hits in the weird section. Look at quarter calls with two different arts and that discounts quarter calls from being a commander. Green spell book.

That art with nissan or whatever, yes, blasphemous act, expensive card, rare earth cycle, that's a good earthquake. I'm looking at the screen right now at the ruins of Trinisphere Academy like there are so many good cards that should be changed because the foils will still be ridiculous and expensive, the chrome opal mox swords and expensive, the trapping bridge, oh yeah, look at that like that , one that slipped under the radar, man. Like it does a little bit, yeah, it's a 40 card, right? But even something like Masterpiece of Wit and Hammer of Nice, those are cards that carry a little bit of weight and see play in Commander. that should be modified we are definitely getting to some of the cards like what the greater good ken becomes a mere battle sphere yes a greater good and the mere battle sphere definitely commander staples and so Of course they are there, but they did it.

They need a reprint as far as the price is concerned, which we have already established, it is no wizard's business. They want to print cards that need to be reprinted. Did Kembakar really need a big reprint? I've never seen anyone but me. play that card if Aiden plays it and what not, yeah that's right, yeah I don't care, that's probably that guy, he probably won't play it, that apex in metamorph is cool, yeah, that's cool, hey, what? who made the art? Can? look, it's thomas baxter again thomas baxter that's cool that's cool get that original when you get the altered one or uh the wrath of god and give me one of them okay, okay, oh yeah, I will, no, I won't force it What do you think of the new big force?

I don't know if there is controversy here. Many people say it doesn't seem like your willpower. Looks like blue counterspell number 17. I agree with that second take. about you, you know what it sounds like, it looks like people aren't going to flush their willpower down the toilet in protest of new Teres Nielsen art or reusing Therese Nielsen art in reprints, so that's a welcome addition , whether anyone thinks that is justified or not or instead of flushing them down the toilet send them to me so I can win whatever it is new art people are going to be happy people who don't give a damn might be happy if doesn't have the strength because they can get them at a more affordable price, whether it's the alternative art or the semi-original Therese Nielsen art from Ultimate Masters from a few years ago, and the people who have the alliance originals are happy because the price of those is going up because I have guaranteed that there will be no more teres nielsen force of will boom of the arts very good good because force of will is being reprinted with different art yeah, I understand I don't know, the rest of this stuff is kind of like anything you can open an ion storm a box of 35 envelopes you can open a double ion storm sheet and not a foil.

I hope that sucker comes in an alternative art print extended frame. Can you imagine opening an ion store? Can you buy a package? Drink all your drink oh god are you kidding me? Just eat. the bottle eats the glass and everything is like the grinch yes, I'm just eating because I'm bored no, I'm eating because I have a ion story is that the card that people are that is that a draft card is limited card is a good card give it a reading give it a reading reading top to bottom enchantment ion storm red two for red one remove a counter plus one plus one or a charge counter from a permanent you control deals two damage to something untouched In there that one could be a good card if you have a lot more, it could be that I don't think many people are playing that card.

I don't think we've even played that card, either of us, I think that's a stupid card, it pairs really well with walking ballista in a limited environment, oh it does and they're reprinting wacky bs. That card's really expensive walking ballista doesn't need to combo with ion storm, it makes ion storms for free, you're right, yeah. You're right, he himself does what he does plus what free ion storm does, yes, and he's colorless so he goes into any deck, yes, and if you have infinite mana you just win the game, yes, good card , great letter, oh, brutal, melancholic cloud, in a few words, that's how it is.

I just noticed for the first time that they aren't foils, so if anyone wanted extended art, I've altered foils before, but sorry, I'm just making something about myself again. I've altered foils before, but that one won't be foil, which is cool, yeah. but we're at the top of the spoilers, i think we have a preview until friday july 24th, yes we're going to do a proper review once all the spoilers are done yes, but probably half done. episode where it's like maybe we'll give our opinion once we've had more time to digest and see what the expected value is.

I think today we wanted to just sit down and give our opinion along with all the other content creators. I don't know, it still makes my hair stand on end a little, probably unnecessarily, when I see people, oh all you whiners complaining about the price, this product just isn't for you and don't buy it if you don't want it. buy it and it's like well yeah, but I can want the car if everything is expensive and not for me, if everything is too expensive then no one buys anything exactly and then everything is like that if no one can afford to buy it and then no one buys it except the investors the investors don't open it so the cards don't go to the markets the prices the cards don't go down so you know no one earns well and another other kind of what if that's the What happens if no one can afford to buy it , then no one buys it back except investors, so people think that if no one plays the drafts, if no one plays the stamps, if they don't sell it, the wizards aren't going to attribute that to, oh, maybe. that set was too expensive, it's going to be good, I guess we can't do a reprint set like that anymore, it was a flop, we're going to have to do more draft focused sets and it'll be like yeah, yeah, then we'll get it.

We also have modern masters, which was good, but it's not, it's not that good, it's not good, that's good, yeah, the other way to think about it is if no one buys it and everyone goes online to face-to-face games. Star Cities Card Kingdoms face. Big box stores like it or sorry, big online retailers like that one and buy single units, they will always be out of stock, so those big online retailers will have to order and figure out more sealed products to have single units available to restock and continue selling the individual units, if so. It happens that magicians will continue to move products to those big stores because people are buying popular singles from them, so there are always ways you can consider, justify, explain the price and how the market changes, but we are not a finance podcast. and there are many other people who know more about this, have more experience and education in that part of magic than us, we are giving our opinions, which yes, we believe are valid, I think well, obviously, because I think there are artists , Yeah.

And I mean, at the end of the day, I just want people to play magic and I want people to be able to have the luxury of playing this game with me and I see sets like this as an opportunity for that to be a thing and when they come out and they don't are so it's disappointing I think I'm disappointed just because there will be people who won't benefit from this I have a hot take I have a hot tape for sure I think you're disappointed because I don't want to spend money on a booster pack, there are just no other conditions.

You don't want to spend $15 on a pack of magic cards. The last two boxes I bought were collector's boxes, so unfortunately I'm outside the realm of being able to say that's the truth because I've spent so much money on booster packs before and no, no, no, I don't think so, and I'm not saying that you complain, no that's because having a conversation, but I think any complaint he has regarding the price is unfair if the last two boxes he bought were collector's boxes, I just think because not everyone can do that and I don't need buy this game.

I have all the cards in this set so far, I think I have very close to any card I would want in this. I don't have a crack lick cremator. I have kraken with cremators. Well, I have all the rare ones that have gone bad so far. in this set I don't need to buy, I don't need to buy this, but I think there are people who really want to do it and can't, and that's what gets me because I love those people. Who are they? They're not ready to invest that kind of money in the game yet, but they still really want to be able to be at this level.

They need the noble hierarchy for more than just commander. They want sneak attack because they want to play Legacy. and the commander, for example, yeah, and I feel like I'm depressed for those people who really want things and they just can't get them because this would be great, hey everyone, we're opening the doors, everyone's in everyone's doors. playing let's revamp it, it wouldn't revitalize the legacy because dual lands, but other formats could get a big boost from this, I don't think they're going to get the new player boost it could have offered if this is offered at a lower price and I don't know, that's valid, that's what's valid, I'll give my last thought and say again that my 2020 Corvette is more expensive than the 2019 that I couldn't afford.

I don't find it offensive that one is worth more than the other because he is newer, better, faster, stronger. Do I still want it? Would you spend the money if you had the money? Yeah, I don't feel bad for people who can't afford it. because I'm on the boat I can't afford it with other things that are also my hobby, they're just a different hobby, I can't put a supercharger on my truck right, I can't buy the sports car that I don't live in a mansion, I can't afford any of those things that I want and magic maybe it's the same for me, maybe I can't afford everything I want, but I have to be okay with that because that's the reality. world like me I'm not willing to work harder and make more money than I make I don't need more I'm happy with what I have and being happy with what I have includes where my collection is and where my decks are in and if not did, if someone said your decks or your decks forever, you'll never be able to update decks, that would probably be fine, regardless of whether they put dual lands into dual masters or not or look for lands and dual masters or not.

It would be fine, no, noI know if this is something like I totally agree with them not reprinting fetchlands here because I already have them, yes that is our privilege to speak well, it's very easy for me to say because I have four of all of them correctly, I have fetchlands of foil and like no, and it's not me that flexes, that's right, I think it hits us less hard when you hear, oh, there are no reprinted fetchlands like well, whatever and I don't think you need them, yeah, but I don't play in modern either , where maybe you need them in modern and yes you need them in legacy and you need them, I think it's a real commander ad populum type message, magic is teaching us that. there are privileges involved in all things, we have quest lands, we don't need this set to have quest lands and just like maniac crypts, do you want super sweet Ron Spencer?

I'm going to survive without it, hell yeah, do you like $200 in your pocket better? Yes, he's going down to 160. Do you like $160 in your bunker better? Yes, he is getting scarce right now. No, but I actually have an extra mana crypt, so maybe I can just trade one because I opened one in my mystery packs, that's what I was saying, the trade came in and spent a couple extra dollars, maybe 50 or 60 extra dollars, but instead of 200, yes, it's a thing and this provides opportunities for people to get ready to be dazzled and there's a lot to be happy about with the set I think in the future I think there will be even more interesting things I have one I have one I have a this is maybe my last good vibe we'll get out of here Okay, I got it, what if you're the person and if you're the person who or anyone is the person who goes and buys?

Support your local game store. Go buy the fifteen and ten dollar package. You name it, boom foil, alternative art, manic. The crypt doubling season picker, whatever the card is, he immediately trades it back and buys like four precons that also exist and I don't think we pay homage to him enough, he's a bit of Ginger Joe, yeah, see Ginger Joe posts that all the time. Guys, you were incredibly lucky. They see it in the big Facebook groups. Look what I just pulled out. Complete aluminum art. Extended art. m21 shadow tutor. It's like Boom immediately changes it and gets two more booster boxes.

I don't think we pay tribute to him. enough because it's probably a little more common to get crack lick cremators yeah instead of the strength of the wheels with full aluminum art look how many of these crags and what cremators but that happens it happens like my best example of that it's a draft i didn't end up winning i got second place thanks to a second pick, original innistrad flip vampire yeah bloodline guardian yeah backline guardian yeah yeah yeah best card throughout the draft format. I got the second pick after the guy. he revealed it because he had to reveal double-faced cards and I was like, dude, you want to like the change?

I'm like saying to the table, do you love us? This is the best car. Do you want to just take this one, it's new, it's like no. no i have this one its a better card foil snapcaster yeah that was like 140 bucks at the time or whatever the game was you're right you did better than me even if i win this draft yeah Sure, that guy Yes, those things happen and will happen here and will happen in the future. I think it's a good place to end so thank you all for being with us. Thank you very much for the head-to-head games. for giving us the opportunity to keep the lights on for all the people in the nation who have us in their ear holes and their eye holes and any other hole they like to have us in each and every week and we're going to We'll probably be back with a few more double masters and maybe even another deck in the next episode of the Commander Cookout podcast.

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