Gutsy — Glennon Doyle and Abby Wombach Are Rebel Hearts | Apple TV+

The two of them have created this incredible marriage. She speaks of

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. They had to risk a lot to give her love a chance. And it was really hard to figure out how to build a life together. MMM. And they have. I was in a very broken marriage with a good man. And then I was at the convention. And she appeared at the door. I found myself standing. And I just opened my arms like that. I realized that everyone was looking at me. So I really leaned in. I was thinking maybe she'll just think I'm like some weird writer and I bow when people come in.

Did you bow to her too? She was the only one in the room who stood up. And she's on the opposite side of the room. And it's like a table that is pushed. So I had to dodge all the way around the room. It was so strange. It was all very strange. She was sweating a lot. But I realized that I was in love for the first time in my life. But it was scary because she was married and had three children. I had a life based on faith and a career that was largely based on that.

I was told over and over again that you can continue with this, but it will be the end of your career. But I remember thinking: This is an important crossroads where you're going to have to decide if you're going to honor yourself for the first time in your life instead of honoring everyone's expectations of you. Then one day, I was watching my little one get ready for school. And I thought, Oh my God, I'm staying in this marriage for her. Would she want this marriage for herself? And if I didn't want this marriage for this little girl, why am I modeling bad love and calling it good motherhood?

We just said, let's do this. And we did it with all the care and the greatest honor and love that we could. And everyone was scared at first because that's what people do. And then everyone came because they saw that we were well and happy. And I'm glad we knew that. How long have you been married? I have been married for 11 years. I don't have a story like yours. Didn't you do this? I did not do it. I met my husband when we were children. And we were friends for over a dozen years before we started dating.

Wow! Yeah. How did you go from friends to... like, how did you know? We had both broken up with other people. We comforted each other about the fact that we had broken up with other people. And one night I think we were having dinner. And he said: I think we're on a date. And I was like, are we? Oh my God! Maybe we are. Are we on a date? That was the beginning. It's not that he needed it or that he asked our permission, he just came to see us one day and said: I just want you to know that I'm going to ask him to marry me.

And I thought, yes! I like that they don't ask, but rather inform respectfully. Yes, letting you know. I like that. I literally asked his parents, talked to them, and came home. And he had quite a plan. But I couldn't wait. I remember going into my sock drawer, grabbing the ring and turning around. She says: Can I get you a coffee? And as soon as she came back, I was there. I thought, I just... I can't wait another second. Didn't your husband have to propose to you a billion times before you said yes? 41 times? Yes. Something... no, actually only three.

Only three. Okay, okay, only three.