A Husband's House of Horrors

911 where is your emergency? I'm on North 225 West Road, there's a body hanging from the bridge with no head, there's a car coming, okay, there's a body, are you sure? okay she thinks it's a deer uh no it's a body it's a body yeah that's what I've seen headless I'm going crazy okay I've never seen anyone like that August 20, 2020, officers responded to this chilling 5 a.m. phone call. m., they invaded the Sugar Creek bridge and, upon arriving, took them away. Shocked by the gruesome scene before them, what had momentarily been mistaken for a road kill was a deceased middle-aged woman, her body was severely bruised, her arms were bent at strange angles and, most disturbingly, her head had disappeared, how and where they had left it just done.

The scene, more difficult to digest, closer inspection revealed that she was not next to the Bridge's railing, but had been pulled under it, so that her upper body was spread out on the road while her legs were hanging limply off the side of the bridge in At the same time police were working to understand what may have happened to their headless Jane Doe, Indiana resident Michael Parks was making a call to 9-1-1 to report that his wife Hope Parks was missing. Hi, my name is Michael Parks and me and my wife, we had some sort of argument, it's Tuesday and I haven't seen her and I'm getting worried, okay, what's her name?

I hope someone picks it up. She got into a car with someone and they left because these are silver or white like a Honda Civic. After this call, a sergeant with the Crawfordsville Police Department briefly spoke with Michael on the phone to get a description of his missing wife from he. Michael described some of Hope's tattoos, one of them was a heart with her name after police searched her body. Michael was instructed to immediately go to the Crawfordsville Police Department to discuss his wife's disappearance further. Only when he arrived at the station was Michael informed that the headless woman they had found that morning matched his description of his wife.

Upon completion of the investigation, he was immediately escorted to an interrogation room where the following never-before-seen footage was recorded. One thing I do, I record everything through my nose, so I record everything. One thing. What are your feelings first? Michael Dale Hurst Interrogation rooms may be scary places, but Michael has been taken to a gentle interrogation room. This is very unusual. These soft rooms are mainly used for victims, usually children, such as the grieving

husband

. The police may have chosen this room to offer you some comfort, however, in most cases. The spouse is the main suspect until they are acquitted.

If the police suspect Michael, the choice of a soft room could be an attempt to put him at ease and the detective makes sure to alleviate any of Michael's potential concerns by telling him that the recording is for the detective's own notes. I'm worried about her, don't worry about your wife, yeah okay, why what's his name, we've been arguing about my son for the last few months, he's on and off drugs, can't he? keep a job he brought drugs to the

house

I kicked him out I don't want him there she wants you there I got to the point where I told him to choose between me or one of us it's going to be fine he left she's been wanting me to come home, I say no, he got a speeding ticket and proof that he doesn't have insurance or whatever it's called that he has the car, it's his car, it's in my wife's name, oh okay, but he paid her for the car. , never took the.

Once I told her to give it to her to respond to the insurance, she never did because that's how we heard it in the first few minutes. Michael has made several statements indicating possible control issues, he cited several instances where he told his wife what to do instead of communicating and making decisions together, she texted me, asked if I would call you sure, I told him no, he said I haven't had time, you can read, watch as Michael rubs his face after handing his phone to the detective and then proceeds to partially cover his mouth with his hand keeping it there for the next two minutes Michael he also covers his genitals here.

This is a common barrier used by men when they feel threatened or stressed. These gestures transmit anxiety and restlessness. It's not unusual for someone who has just lost their spouse, even if he is hiding. The face is also typical of someone who might be trying to hide something else. She is very controlling. Michael's answer here is completely irrelevant to the question - instead of simply responding with information about Hope's substance abuse, he goes into a rather sudden and flippant rant about how controlling she is. So far, Michael has taken almost every opportunity to speak negatively about his wife, even if he was unwarranted.

A very clean self-control or control over everyone. Function I am used to. They haven't bothered me for about 25 years. find your niche. I mean, I'm getting used to it. I take medication. I have anger issues, but I take medication for it, but I've never done anything about it. Michael continues to divulge unsolicited information because he is angry. issues about which he takes medication for Clues detectives about Michael's ability to become violent, then he feels it necessary to include that he has never done anything violent to his wife. What Michael is doing here is sharing or volunteering unnecessary and excessive amounts of information.

Oversharing is most often a nervous attempt to convince others that one is being open and honest; However, as you can see here, it often has the opposite effect; it's entirely possible that Michael is sharing too much to relieve anxiety, as some people tend to do just fine, so nothing or nothing. something like that, okay, no, and granted, it's what all families do too, especially if you're an older kid and stuff. um, I want to hurt. I hate to say this and have it recorded, but I want to hurt. he's why he had to leave Michael doesn't even let the detective finish his question before going off on a tangent, this time derailing the conversation to the topic of his son John admitting something less egregious in order to appear completely transparent. . a common tactic used to gain the trust of others when she trusts him or his daughter, you know my daughter and I are very close, she and John are very close, she will do anything for him, which That's what makes me angry.

Michael clearly possesses a considerable level of bitterness towards his wife because of how much he adores his son, not only that, but up to this point Michael has focused the entire interrogation on how toxic he believes his wife and son, John, are being. is the problem and his wife is a way out. of control enabler if he had anything to do with what happened hoping he established a clear motive for himself when she left um you started to get into the car if you haven't seen the driver at all you can say anything to man and candid woman Michael seems much more concerned about his marital problems than the fact that his wife might have been found dead that very morning.

Has she ever been known outside of marriage, from a pastor she could go to to the We used to live in Illinois, my daughter and I talked about it. I said whatever, she's my daughter, well, and we're still, I mean, they're still doing some things somewhere else, that's why we tell you to get information and I. I actually don't know what the author told you. I'm just trying to understand. The wrong image told me the tattoos I described and I have pictures of them. You see that the tattoos matched the description. Um, you said you're going to give her until Friday first what made you decide to go ahead and call a motion for relief today.

I'm very worried about her and this in addition to stuttering during her response Michael seems to break eye contact with the detective for a moment and He looks directly into the camera, seems unsure of what he's saying, so we're still looking into that. Until now, Michael has been informed that the tattoos found on the headless woman matched those of his wife, however, hearing the news again enrages him. He expects an anguished reaction, he covers his mouth with his hand and looks away from the detective. He also uncrosses his leg. A change known as anchor point movement.

When someone is stressed, they will commonly see changes in their anchor points in the case. Of a person who is sitting like Michael, his anchor points are his legs, buttocks and back, although his physical reaction is appropriate, he seems strangely devoid of the usual overwhelming anger or sadness that you might see in someone in Michael's position. , which made you think about the things that The most I need to emphasize is that I don't think anything happened to his sister. He wanted to know where she was. This question is initially met with silence from Michael, perhaps because he requires her to go into detail about what he feels about the disappearance of his wife.

He seems uncomfortable and exasperated, but he proceeds to mutter and respond behind his hand as far as he said and simply agrees to search his

house

. There are some things we need to find out about her. The length of it and I don't know it and no. I don't really know you um because we need to um yeah, but um I'll go ahead and let him say that paperwork. I'll go out and try to get more information. Michael's body language is very important here when he mentions needing to search his house and his car, Michael starts to get noticeably restless, he rubs his face and his leg starts to shake, although he seems to notice. and regain control.

Michael is then left alone in the interrogation room for the next few minutes and changes. positions and fidgets quite often at one point he even puts his head in his hands these gestures mean stress and restlessness what we would like to do is be able to worry and we would like to be able to get that from you, is it there? something you would want to do if you could bring the car to me right now if you want normally a search warrant is required to search someone's property. It is common knowledge that to obtain a search warrant the police must have probable cause or specific facts that would lead a person to believe that there is evidence of a crime on someone's property;

However, it is a lesser known fact that police can simply ask a person for permission to search their property, the owner's written consent is as valid as a search warrant and officers will often try to get Garner to give consent to search. suspect first, especially in urgent cases, as it saves them a lot of time and valuable resources. Okay, look at how their hands are placed when a person feels threatened or stressed, sometimes they will unconsciously take a position that protects or covers their vital body parts, given the circumstances you have many reasons to be anxious, which might be nothing To do with guilt, you could simply be disgusted by the idea of ​​strangers scavenging and taking things that possibly belong to you. deceased wife or whatever is fine, it is also likely that Michael's tremors are caused by intense levels of anxiety and shock.

Shaking is a common physical reaction to bad news during this pause in the interview. CPD officers headed directly to Michael's residence to execute the search for him. Scan the exterior of the property before thoroughly searching the interior of the Park house for clues as to where Hope might have gone the night she disappeared. What they would find in and around the Park property would only raise more questions about Hope's disappearance. The detectives hope Michael can answer for them after the break. The detectives bring Michael back to the interrogation room in hopes that he can shed some light on their unexpected findings.

Do you know anyone he could be? She knows how to piss people off. Or you know, she knows how chilling it is that Michael can describe his wife in such a shocking and insensitive way right after she was found so devastatingly broken and discarded, maybe he's using a little humor to deal with his feelings or maybe he's Detectives are taking a look. on Michael's true feelings towards his wife, part of what we were looking for and we found some blood in his house, there would be some reason why there would be blood in the house, the issue of blood suddenly arose about Michael, probably with the hope. that you will be caught off guard in a lie this is called a bait question the detective will carefully observe Michael's behavioral responses to this question okay I cut myself good my favorite I broke my finger I work with some located in the garage that would be when I broke my finger when I was doing the transmission when you say you sold the engine and stuff, didn't you see the truck?

Yes, that's true. The comment about his truck seems completely inappropriate given thecircumstances. However, it is not uncommon for someone who is experiencing high levels of restlessness to make out-of-character comments in a subconscious attempt to escape the situation, so this is where you need to step up to the plate to tell us what happened, it was at your house. but something happened to him, not with For me, there is no one else he could have been. I do not know what to tell you. Michael simply ignores the detective's theory that he somehow participated in the murder of his wife.

A person in his position would normally react with some degree of shock or indignation to something like this. an accusation Michael, on the other hand, doesn't even seem interested in what they found inside his house or what the findings could mean saying I did something yeah and then we're just trying to figure it out I mean you're obviously not a bad person At your job you have two children with her you have lived a long life with her this is a strategically placed pacifier because if Michael gets too upset he could shut down or request a lawyer this would immediately end the interview.

It is best for the detective to keep Michael open and willing to answer questions. I hate doing anything. I swear. to God I did nothing swearing by God serves a similar function as a qualifier here it is used as an attempt to add credibility to a statement that would otherwise be difficult to believe this is called reinforcing well, part of this is that we go through everything house we find all the detective is being intentionally vague about what the investigators found in Michael's house so he can gauge Michael's reaction before the big reveal see everything true the rest of her is fine and what for him and we find all this is a moment critical in the interrogation, but caught under the microscope of what should be a chilling revelation, Michael's response is rather dull, there is no immediate reaction and the reaction he gives seems to be one of exasperation rather than shock or concern, he exhales deeply , leans back and, most notably, covers his face once again, a move we've come to recognize as a possible attempt to hide something the face might reveal.

Hope's head is perhaps the most incriminating thing officers found inside the home, however, that's not all they found as an exterior search of the property turned up several blood stains and stains on the gravel in front of the front door. garage on the grass next to your backyard on the wood floor of the patio itself, as well as on the ramp leading to the patio. Traces of blood were found inside the garage. A bullet casing was also found in the grass near the patio. The interior of the home was reported to be very clean and well maintained until officers arrived in the basement.

Blood stains were visible on the steps leading up to As I continued down the stairs, it became apparent that there were drag marks and the shallow layer of dirt that covered the concrete floor of the basement. Large bloody zip ties and broken pieces of plastic were also found in various places around the basement, down there in the dust. and discarded equipment, officers made the most disturbing discovery of the investigation: They expected the severed head to be wrapped in plastic bags placed in a shallow hole in the floor and covered in dirt and debris hidden by a stack of flexible conduits that They had been arranged at the top.

Serious circumstantial evidence makes it evident to everyone present that Michael had something to do with his wife's murder, however, there is still no physical proof that he is the one who heard Hope and you're obviously not a bad guy. person. you provided for his family, you did it, what happened, what broke here, the detective suggests a lighter version of events that Michael simply snapped under pressure from his controlling wife. This version depicts him as an overall good person, perhaps even a victim. However, if Michael accepted this reasoning, he would still be admitting to killing his wife.

I know what you're thinking, but yeah, no, it wasn't me. Sorry, stupid little chat with my son, Michael's out. way to paint his son in a negative light now he finally came out and said what he seems to have been implying: he claims that his son John is probably responsible for Hope's death. I told them that we have had people come to the house, my neighbors know it, yes, I have talked to him a lot today, but partly you also know what you are telling your son, you know if he is screwing up and you know what you should do one play and if you screw it up. up you have to get on the plane yes I understand there is no one who is going to hurt your wife like you would hurt her and that's what happened to her what do you mean no no before Michael denies his involvement , this time we catch a brief moment of hesitation as if he is thinking about something before he appears to retreat, then he makes several sudden movements, moving his legs, buttocks, and backwards, the three anchor points we discussed earlier.

Michael's denial is pretty weak, he uses one word answers and looks away like an innocent person. He would be forceful and adamant in his denial when accused of murdering his wife. He is probably reflecting on his decisions up to this point and weighing his options. Okay, the detective tells Michael to sit back down to reaffirm his authority and, for safety reasons, as he wants. being able to see it Michael's determination is visibly wearing away Under the pressure walking is notoriously a nervous act an effort to release nervous energy and relieve mounting tension something happened to her last night and something happened to her at your house at your house that night I guess this is the part where I need a lawyer because you are not listening to invoke one's right to have a lawyer, the suspect must unequivocally state that he wants to speak to a lawyer;

However, if the suspect makes a more ambiguous comment about obtaining a lawyer, most courts require the interrogator to ask more questions to clarify his desire. Michael has not yet clearly stated that he wants legal representation. I guess this is the part where I need a lawyer, so the detectives can continue to question him legally, but ideally they would have clarified whether he was applying. lawyer or not before continuing, otherwise they run the risk of the rest of his statements being inadmissible. I will answer your questions. I'm just saying I didn't do this and you can ask me this a hundred times and I'll still tell you.

I didn't do this, you're the only one in the house, you're the only one who can know what happened to your wife, okay, you didn't mean to do this to her. Michael's body language indicates that he shut down the protective system. The position of her arms on her body is a self-soothing behavior that indicates that she is closing herself off from the situation, probably due to sheer discomfort and stress, so we are trying to ask her how she lost parts of her body at home. . no idea, do you have any idea, no, no, there's nowhere else we can look, there's nowhere else we can go, there's no one else to talk to about this book, I mean, I want a lawyer and so on. , the interview ends.

Once Michael has clearly communicated his desire to speak with a lawyer, the detectives cannot ask him any more questions, sorry, for the next 10 minutes, Michael attempts to engage the detective, who is no longer willing to speak with him. since the detective I can't question him further after the detective refuses to allow Michael another smoke break. Michael stands up and begins to anxiously pace the room once more when he sits back down, he sits on the side of the couch furthest from the detective, this clearly. He communicates his desire to escape the situation as soon as possible.

Finally, the silence is broken by a police officer who has come to handcuff Michael. His hopes of getting out of the situation are dashed. Michael makes a final plea of ​​innocence, but the detectives are gone. Upon feeding him, a pair of armed police officers escort him to a holding cell; However, this is not the last detectives will hear from Michael over the next few days. Officers continue to investigate Park's home and the cars follow possible leads and talk. To the couple's friends and family, the detectives have given up hope of getting any valuable information from Michael, until four days later, when he unexpectedly requests to speak to the detectives again without an attorney present.

I'm sure you remember me from the other day when this interview took place. The following Monday was Tuesday at 3:30. I was home at 15:00 after four children came as if I said he was not alive, we were arguing as I said about my son. He was on the back porch after everyone left, let's go shoot a groundhog. He had groundhogs in the backyard. I knew it. He never did. He never returned. I went to download to go. I fired three bullets into the tree. Enter the house. I was going to clean the gun. I sat at the kitchen table.

There was still one bullet missing. In them she fell to the floor she was preparing dinner. I panicked. I just panicked. I didn't know what to do in the state of Indiana. Accidentally killing someone does not make a person guilty of murder to be considered a murderer, the prosecution must prove that the murder was intentional, therefore if the detectives accept Michael's version of events, then the most that If Michael could be charged in the state of Indiana it would be reckless homicide, even then, to win a reckless homicide charge, the prosecution would have to prove that Michael was acting recklessly and that his recklessness somehow led to Hope's death. everywhere to cover it up picked up everything I cleaned up the mess I put the trash everything else is a popular thing if Hope's death was an honest accident it doesn't make sense You get the feeling that I would try to cover it up normally when someone accidentally hurts someone else, especially someone who they love Your first step would be to ask for help or take some action to try to save his life.

Michael, on the other hand, didn't even try. to correct his supposed mistake to make things worse for the detectives Michael's story not only features unlikely details but also missing or blurred details the detectives have to discover his account seems less reliable as it develops what do you do after that there and I cried, I thought about everything that was happening with the fights, who is going to believe me? Michael has reached what is supposedly a very emotional and traumatic moment in his story, so it is strange that he relates it with little emotion, the lack of emotional reaction from him over the course of the interviews. it's noteworthy i didn't know what to do tell us what happened then she's on the floor you're upset obviously what did you do at that time i wrapped her in an apartment i took her to the basement i cleaned everything up telling detectives how she moved the body and cleaned up the scene michael could have admitted to unknowingly tampering with evidence, even if a minor murder charge is secured, the prosecution could use that information against him to get him more jail time if Michael covers his face. completely with his hand and his voice breaks as if he were crying, there don't seem to be any other indicators of genuine emotion, although there are no sobs, tears or heavy breathing, if this is an attempt to feign sadness, it's pretty mediocre, it's more likely This performance is an excuse to hide his face, which Michael has been shown to do when he lies about guns and what people tell me, so I ignore you taking information to the extent that it seems, if I ever shot the closer you're from something or Someone gets more debris and the farther away, the less debris you get when you fire the gun, so she seemed to have some debris around the entry wound, which would indicate that the gun would be closer, four or five feet, of this single piece.

The evidence creates a pretty big gap in Michael's story. If Michael cannot close this gap between his story and the evidence, it would be nearly impossible for Michael's attorneys to prove that the shooting was accidental. For me to be able to help. I have to meet you. Don't know? I don't know how close she came. I know she was getting ready to make dinner, that's all I know and I sat down. She had the gun in her hand and that's when she shot herself. Saying she didn't deliberately shoot Michael probably knows he's in a deep hole right now since his claim that he didn't deliberately shoot his wife isn't said with much conviction;

On the contrary, there seem to be notes of desperation in his voice. He needs the detectives to believe his story, but he's probably well aware that his defense of I don't know doesn't help his case at all. The doctor and the gun show, in fact, reported that it was a contact wound, meaning the barrel was close to the skin. Well, maybe she was closer than I thought. Now the detectives have returned to the topic of the gunshot wound Michael has wrapped his arms tightly around himself this is a protective position which is perhaps Michael's attempt to calm himself It is clear that Michael is uncomfortable with this topic, verypossibly because she doesn't have an answer for it, so if you're at the table and she's an angle, could she get a little more?

It looks like Michael might be asking for some water to create. a pause in the conversation perhaps to gain time and think of a sufficient answer to the detective's questions. There will be two schools of thought on this one: Somehow, you tragically shot him with the muzzle of the gun touching the back of his head or two. there was a disagreement there was an argument and a snap there was no bad judgment there was no argument after all there was no argument were you still upset about the previous argument because only the people on the outside were looking in?

I don't care what other people think. It was all about shooting her if she was where she was standing. I don't know if she was there. I don't know. I didn't put the gun to the back of her head. I pulled the trigger. I didn't do that and everything I did. I'm telling you, science proves otherwise and she was closer than she thought. Okay, you didn't want her to die, no, but circumstances led to her death. What was your mental capacity at that time? Were you that angry about something before? argument that she smiled at something and you don't know what she did, the detective offers Michael a way out by suggesting that his actions were simply prompted by something his wife might have said, this puts some of the blame on his wife , which may make it easier for Michael to admit his part in what happened, a sort of Tasmanian Devil event, after she's on the ground, you lost it and it's okay to tell me.

That's because that shows excitement and before he walked in, that was the only thing he was trying to figure out what happened to the burger if she's down here. I think I was the one who canceled it, although can you tell us what's going on? When that burger falls over, I still catch myself remembering what specific words she used at that moment. He could be trying to divert attention from what really caused the burger to fall off the stove, such as a fight or fight, has that ever been a problem? with the trigger on that rifle and it going off when you didn't want it to or not, I know I didn't even have it that long, maybe a week, week and a half, the fact that Michael had only been in possession of the rifle for that long. a short period of time could be used as evidence against him in court, the prosecution could argue that it was reckless of Michael to wield a loaded firearm that he was unfamiliar with indoors, especially next to a member of the family, the detective begins to interrogate.

Michael on the details surrounding his wife's dismemberment to me, she has it and neither of us are young anymore, so I mean your skin doesn't stay the way it should, so every time you drag it, just the muscle and the skin goes with it. I don't even remember doing it. I don't remember that part, yes, and that's the brain again trying to protect you from the typically bloodier and more traumatic parts. Another benefit of Michael's selective memory defense is that he doesn't have to reveal the gory details. What it was like to cut off his wife's head, you might get the impression that giving those details would only serve to make them seem more like a cold-blooded killer; there's no way The Gunshot happened the way you're presenting it. so this was the second one I said.

I don't remember exactly how it happened. I'm telling you I didn't do it, I didn't kill her on purpose or shoot her. The detective's question implies that Michael might have intended it. shooting Hope without intending to kill her; However, under Indiana law, this is actually something of a false dichotomy. Murder in Indiana is classified as any murder committed on purpose or knowingly. Here, knowingly means taking action without the specific intent to kill a person, but still knowingly. It is substantially certain that death will occur since evidence from Hope's autopsy shows that Michael shot her wife at point-blank range, even if he didn't exactly intend to kill her.

Michael could still be convicted of murder simply because he knew such a death would occur. The action would almost certainly result in his death. It just happened, so in your opinion, would you just call that recklessness? It was just because if you have it in the air, no one will say, Well, I mean, you couldn't have shot it. or he was lying on the table facing the hallway. Reckless, yes, without his knowledge, according to Indiana law. Michael just admitted to manslaughter. The conversation we were having at the time was about John with the car insurance because she lied to me about the car insurance she told me she was going to cancel the insurance this detail makes the circumstances surrounding Hope's death very different he admitted that he and his wife were actually arguing at the time when he was in the kitchen with a gun and then she turned around and left, this version of events shows an obvious motive and an opportunity for Michael to would shoot him in the back of the head.

It makes you wonder what else Michael has lied about so far. Are you a fist-pumping type of person when he's angry? Damn woman just do what I'm asking you to do and the guy in your hand unfortunately at that moment squeezes the reflection yeah I don't remember everything but what you said makes sense like I said it wasn't intentional Michael seems to finally resign himself to some explanation of how he shot hope, probably after realizing that the detectives weren't going to back down until his story matched the evidence, the same thing his daughter wants to know and the Sun realizes, it's the same thing he will do. like I know, I know why it happened and I can't, I'll never be able to tell you that I can't do that to you because that's the reason I pulled the trigger, not intentionally again, Michael Seitz, your son, as the reason for your plight, However, this is the first time he specifically says that John is the reason he killed his wife, he quickly attempts to backtrack, although the statement implies that Michael is probably more aware of the reason behind Hope's death than he otherwise is. who is hinting that he may have made a mistake due to stress and fatigue from the long interrogation after four long hours the interrogation is over Michael is escorted out of the interrogation room without further incident after his interview Michael was taken to jail of Montgomery County, where he remained for nearly two years, was scheduled to stand trial in front of a jury on May 9, 2022—that is, until investigators made a single disturbing discovery that would spell doom for Michael's case. , it was discovered that before Michael murdered his wife he had been doing online research on the effectiveness of bottle silencers, bottle silencers, or improvised gun silencers constructed simply from plastic bottles.

Not only that, but He also investigated whether pillows could be used to cushion gunshots. This discovery proved that the murder of 44-year-old Hope Parts was indeed premeditated and, under Indiana state law, crushed any possibility of Michael receiving anything less than a murder charge on May 6, 2022, just three days before he was tried. Michael changed his plea from not guilty to guilty and accepted a negotiated plea deal on May 9. Michael Parks was convicted of the murder of his wife, Hope Parks, and was sentenced to 50 years in prison without the possibility of parole. We reached out to Michael via email to see if he would be willing to share his side of the story and answer some of our questions about the case early on.

I didn't get a response, but when Michael finally responded, he said he would only participate in a discussion if we met his list of demands, including 300 to go into his commissary account and to have a fan and a TV specifically 36 inches or larger shipped. . At his facility we do not accept any of these terms and are still waiting to hear back if Michael will speak to us. Michael will be released in 2070 when he is 94 years old.