Bryan Kohberger Says He Was Stargazing During Idaho Student Murders

On November 13, 2022, four University of Idaho

student

s were stabbed to death inside their off-campus residents. Ethan Zanna Maddie and Kayy left. The brutal crime shook the community and shocked the nation, sparking an intense manhunt for a killer. Investigators from the Moscow Police Department joined. forces with the Idaho State Police and the FBI following every lead, every tip and every piece of evidence that in the investigation took them across the country to Pennsylvania and led them to this man, a graduate

student

at a neighboring university, this man is now accused of being a mass murderer responsible for one of the most notorious crimes on our record, he is facing a possible death sentence and his lawyers are fighting hard and now they say they have a specific alibi, tonight we will take a look to that alibi and compare it to the prosecution's theory of what happened, then take a look at the defense's shocking claim that there is exculpatory evidence in this case that will prove the accused killer's innocence.

We will discuss it with our experts as we investigate the Idaho student

murders

. I'm V poan, these are the closing arguments and wow, we had the latest news last night on the show and we've had some time to look into this and find out exactly what it means and what's being said here, we're talking about Idaho Student Murder Case Studio we are talking The alibi of the accused murderer now remember this was a brutal attack in the early hours of the morning these young men these children these students did nothing wrong they were living their lives they were doing well in school one was ready to leave and start to work they were friends they helped each other they were there for each other and this happened a stranger in the house in the middle of the night for what reason what is the reason here why would someone do this?

I don't know the answer, maybe we'll never know that answer as to why the answer may lie in who did it and what's going on up here, but there was no interaction, there was no crossover of their lives, none of that happened, no, it's It's not revenge, it's not spite, it's whatever, it was all in the Killer's mind. Now researchers from a small town got help, but they did an incredible job. They used video surveillance, video, GPS tracking, you know, through cell phones. Fig. Doing that triangulation and figuring out where. This is where this vehicle was where it was seen on video and how that matched the suspect's cell phone data in this case and they were able to track that movement at some point, they lost track of the phone.

The phone is not communicating, but they have more surveillance video and they put this together to paint a picture of what happened, put together a timeline and read the affidavits, and we did it months and months and months ago, we thought it was January 2023. makes sense the story they are telling makes sense based on the evidence they claim to have, it flows logically from point A to point B to point C to point d by matching this defendant to the evidence in the case it all seems to fit in. together very well now one of the key aspects of this whole case and you remember when the nation was looking for a white Elantra, the Killer's car means that anyone who was driving a white Elantra at the time was saying, oh boy, especially anyone in that area turns out The white Elantra ended up in Pennsylvania, but it was a big part of this case because of the surveillance video.

You can see the white Elantra. You see the car. You match the car with the defendant. Oh, the defendant has a white Elantra. Oh, we. I have a video of him leaving his apartment. Oh, his cell phone data matches. Like they put the pieces together here and it seemed like a very strong circumstantial case to me. Now, of course, there is also DNA, but we. We're not dealing with DNA tonight because we haven't heard what the defense is going to do, how they're going to fight, we know how overwhelmingly important that evidence is and how strong it is.

I think it's the most important evidence, but put these other pieces together to track down this accused killer, so what's the takeaway from these documents that were presented yesterday? He is the one who

says

I wasn't there, I wasn't there and the surprising thing here is that in most cases where you claim an alibi you usually establish that alibi with a witness maybe it's a friend maybe it's the waiter at the restaurant it's the person who was helping you try on a pair of sneakers at Foot Locker. I don't know who he is, but in this case.

The alibi witness ends up being an expert who is analyzing cell phone data. I don't think he's going to testify about his own alibi. I really don't think they're going to establish it through this expert who becomes an expert. The expert's alibi witness is a little unusual, but it's also okay, so let's take a look at it and what I want to do now is compare his alibi with the prosecution's version of the interpretation of this evidence and its collection and where they say it was and where it

says

it was and it seems like they are two different places, let's take a look.

The accused killer was driving in the early morning hours of November 13, 2022, as he often did to walk and run. Andor, he saw the moon and the stars, he drove everywhere. the area south of Pullman Washington west of Moscow, Idaho, including wwai Park, okay, so they've established that this is where they say it was at the time, here it is, let's put this all on a map now and we'll do it. We'll compare the two and start by taking a look at the indictment and this comes from the probable cause affidavit that uses cell phone data and video surveillance to track the accused killer from his apartment in Pulman Washington to Moscow, Idaho, across 270 the Pullman Mosow connector to the crime scene that's where they say you're driving on that road so you drive from the west to the east Moscow and the crime scene the house is east of where you live then you go south on 95, then west towards Uniontown and then take, he goes northwest back to his residence in Pulman, so it was this big loop we were talking about, you go east because he's out all night, you go east , you go south, then you have to go northwest to Come home, what is he saying?

Well, he looks like he's not going in that direction. He goes west west of pman south of Pullman um to wwai park, look at these two versions. The green is what he says he did that night. The yellow. is what the prosecution says he did that night, how can that be? Let's bring some experts to join me tonight in Arlington, Virginia, Director of Digital Forensics at Hive International, Sam Brothers is with us in Jacksonville, Alabama, Forensic Death Investigator, Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University . body bag podcast host Joseph Scott Morgan and finally in Portland, Oregon, True Crime live streamer, gray use, who you can find on gray use investigations, watch him on YouTube with thousands and thousands of other people, very well, it's great to have everyone here, thank you very much.

Sam, let me start with your general question. Well, I've seen rehearsals for years. I know bigger experts, but in this area of ​​looking at cell phone data and trying to figure out where someone is, how much of that is definitive. A lot of it is interpretive, kind of like black and white science here here here versus interpreting things and putting people in different places based on phone data. Yes, thanks. Q. One. I think one of the big challenges here is one. One of the challenges won't be putting it behind that keyboard or putting your phone there, he said.

I think he already claimed that he turned off his phone at some point. During this there is conditional data that has not yet been published. released uh from this gentleman who still needs to be examined and analyzed and I think the additional information that still needs to be analyzed is to corroborate what this gentleman is saying or not and based on what he is saying and based on the cases that I have seen, this would be very unusual, um, but I would really prefer to see the rest of the information to make that call one way or another, um, how about in general, although how about, in general, because I know I know in my heart. hearts when this trial comes the defense will have an expert the prosecution will have an expert what should we think here yes, it really should be, you know that kind of thing, I hope that data is there or not I will be there, I got you, Joseph Scott Morgan, What do you think about this.

Let me give you something else here. Joseph wwai County Park, we have information about the park tonight, let's take a look at why County Park is located in the Snake River Canyon. I remember from the evil days of medieval times, about three miles upstream from Lower Granite Dam, the park is now this. This is what I wonder about the park. It is open from 7:00 a.m. m. until dusk and for overnight camping year-round, this is a closed park. no access to enter or exit the park From dusk until 7 a.m. H, but he's saying that's where he goes to run and look at the stars in the middle of the night, yeah, keep that image on the screen, Vin, the producers did a great job.

I work with this, do you see that white post that's behind the sign, that's the door, that's the door that would be locked at night, you would have a ranger that would come and lock this thing and that leaves that begs the question. If you go to this park to stargaze, are you going to sit on the side of the road and stargaze there? I mean, I guess it could because you know there won't be any kind of man-made event. there is light out there it is a rural area but here is the big problem Vin that night there was ice fog and also the skies were cloudy besides that it was a waning gibbous moon and yes for people who don't know what it is that it is rising of the full moon, it's waning, so the Gibbis moon is like when you see the Moon, it looks like it has a big bulge, it's very distinctive and I would be fascinated to know, you know, what other people.

I watched that night, you know, and anyone would testify to the environment because I have to tell you it doesn't look like it's ideal for observing the skies and on the same phone I did this with my Son, over the years, do you remember when the app years ago where you could download the thing to check the skies, you know, and you could look up at the sky and you know you could select all the, all, uh, you know all. all the features in the sky, wherever you are geographically. I wonder if she had them on his phone, huh, or unless she had just mapped the sky and the night sky so well in his brain that he would just sit there and maybe stare at it.

Looks very thin to me, Ben, well let's put some of that weather on the screen, jce Scott Morgan, he's going to give us the fifth day in the next segment, the weather in Pullman Washington, November 13, 2022, high of 32, low 28, cloudy zero prip. although that's what we found in the records, okay gray, I don't think you're buying this alibi, I'm right in my intuition, yeah, I think Park would be a great place to maybe discard a knife. for example, later in the morning after seeing that there is a point where you drove up to Clarkston Lewiston on the right and then you drive up and you have five hours of time left and you go up to that area and your phone rings nearby Johnson, Washington, which is just east of that park, okay, but here's what we know: Brian Cober Le's vehicle was in Moscow, Idaho, okay, he turned off his phone, that's why it doesn't ping there and we see a vehicle which shows up above at I think it's 3:27 of um uh let's see what the name of that street is Indian Hills Drive and then eventually you get to one and you're talking about the video, the video evidence, the surveillance videos that exist. exactly, so we're going to get into that in just a second, we're going to get into that in just a second, we have everything prepared for you, gray, um, I want to read for you, although the Gonzalez family released a statement and this is part of their attorney Shannon Gray uh a big part of this has been waiting for the information from The Alibi now that it's here we feel even more confident in the prosecution of the defendant the defense claim is that the defendant was driving late at night hiking, running and watching stars, we're not sure why it's taken over a year to be published, as they don't seem to be comparative activities.

We believe that if this alibi had any weight, it would have been presented months ago and also in direct conflict with the probable cause affidavit stating that the defendant's phone was turned off between 2:47 a.m. and 2:47 p.m. m. and 4:48 a.m. m., so if the defendant was driving and there is cell phone information that he was in a different location, it would be before or after the

murders

, therefore it is not really an alibi, so the interesting thing here is that They will try to establish this alibi without him testifying, that's what I believe, that he will avoid that stand and do it through his expert witness.

Who is going to have to do it through this information? Now just the fact that he's saying that he's in the complete opposite direction from me, he's saying that it's like no, he didn't drive there or you know,Yes, it may have happened. there, but he was on his way somewhere else, it seems like he's saying he wasn't anywhere near there, which to me was a little shocking when I thought they were going toTalk about an alibi. I thought there would be some concession to some of this, but no. there is no concession. Are you surprised that there was no concession on the part of the accused killer that he was actually driven east and driving through Moscow?

Tonight, I think. It's absolutely ridiculous, like he was saying earlier at 326 on Indian Hills Drive and then he comes back to 1122 King Road and remembers we did the show a while ago where he does the four loops. and then at 408 the white Elantra that they have tracked stops right next to the house and then at 4:20 it drives away, which means that within that 12 minute period Ethan Chapen, Madison Mogan and Kayy Gonzalves were killed and guess what? In that same 12-minute period, a knife sheath was left on the bed that has Brian Cober's DNA on it, verifying that the white Launcher that was circulating was his.

Sometimes you have to correct, sometimes 2 plus 2 equals 4, yes, but sometimes in a courtroom, I haven't seen it, but the DNA, they have to find something for the DNA and I come up with it because unless the DNA is planted or the test was completely wrong or I don't know its There's no explanation for that yet, but I'm sure in the meantime we'll find out the good news: all our experts will stay with us when we return. There was something else in The Alibi documents that were presented and it includes what I think it will be. the biggest legal battle before this trial begins, we'll talk about that when we get back and the next hour in Boise, Idaho, another great day in the courtroom in the Prophet Doomsday murder trial as the woman closest to the couple by Doomsday, Melanie.

Gibb takes the stand seeing that jogs his memory about the discussion about protecting someone in this case that sounds familiar we are in the trial of Doomsday Prophet Chad Dell prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty against him investigators have recovered human remains at Chad Dell's residence there is no way Lan can come up with this. His wife Lori Valad Bell has already been sentenced. Now her husband will end up with the same fate. It's so hard to know where the truth ends. He is the Prophet of Doomsday. Chad must in. At trial, what you should remember is that anything you say, except to his attorney, could be used against you in a later court proceeding.

Do you understand that yes? Okay, thank you, he has the right to do it too. appeal any final decision of the court, but to exercise that right you must file a notice of appeal within 42 days of that final decision or waive that right also if you are not a citizen of the United States, any finding of guilt in this state. could have adverse consequences for your legal status. Do you understand these rights? Yes, any questions about rights. No. I have no questions. I have some questions about his alibi, although I presented all the documents related to the alibi defense.

We are reviewing them now. great detail we have a great panel with us let me go over more of this supplemental response to the state's alibi demand the state said if you want to say alibi you must give us the information so here is the accused murderer's intention to offer Sir s testimony, that's a man's name, that's the csli expert to prove that the killer's mobile device, the accused killer, was south of Pullman Washington and west of Moscow, Idaho on November 13, 2022, from what it seems that s already has that information and also to show that the accused killer's mobile device did not travel east on Moscow's Pullman Highway in the early morning hours of November 13 and therefore could not be the vehicle captured on video, admitting that there is a vehicle captured on video along Moscow's Pullman Highway near Floyd's cannabis. shop at Old Floyd's uh additional information this is the part that I think is perhaps the most important in looking at what will happen in the pretrial litigation additional information about the whereabouts of the accused killer as the early morning hours progressed, including an additional analysis, so that means you've already had an analysis, uh, done by Mr.

Ray, it will be provided once the state provides the Discovery request and is now subject to an upcoming motion to compel. This is what Sam Brothers was talking about about this additional information they want, but this is what they're saying if they don't. revealed this additional information they are requesting, if not disclosed, Mr. Ray's testimony will also reveal that critical exculpatory evidence further cooperating with the defendant's killer's alibi was not preserved or withheld, it appears your expert already has the opinion that things they haven't seen is exculpatory because if you don't understand it you're going to say it's exculpatory I don't understand it but it may be relative to this what we know from the affidavit of probable cause at approximately 2:47 a.m. the phone stops reporting to the network, which is consistent with the phone being in an area without cellular coverage, the network connection being disabled, such as putting the phone in airplane mode, or the phone being turned off, so which in the PC affidavit they say Well there are three possible reasons why we think you turn it off but these are the three ways you would know um or the phone would stop reporting to the network but your expert seems to be saying : I know you have this evidence and if we have it I don't understand it, I will tell the jury and everyone else that it is exculpatory.

I don't understand bringing back our guest, Sam Brothers, Hive International Digital Forensics Expert Director, Joseph Scout Morgan, Jacksonville State University, you know him. True Crime Live Streamer, okay, Sam, can you explain that to me? Is it possible that this expert that they have knows that he's looking for something and if you don't give it to me, I know that he's exculpatory, like what is it, what exactly is it? That no, I don't follow that, remember before, yes, remember before you were talking about black and white, this goes back to that, exactly and we, if there are logs on that device that will tell us if that device was removed from the network, as it says in that affidavit and we can make that determination if we are given full access to the device so if we need a special, I want to go, I want to go slowly here and it's and it's and it's you.

You're not doing anything wrong, that's me, I want to understand, so what you're saying is that experts should be able to determine whether it was if the phone was put into airplane mode off or outside an area. Yes, we should be there. able to make that determination if given full access to that device, that's fine and is there anything else from there that you believe that why would this expert be saying listen, you guys have something that you haven't given us and if you don't give us we know it's exculpatory I know it proves his innocence you know I think what you mean is there's information there that's exculpatory that he doesn't want to give up because it doesn't make his case look as good um and I that's the only one.

Which is why it occurs to me that it's probably not that good for him. I hope you know that he would reveal that information and just bring to light what needs to be presented and just present the facts and let the facts speak for what they are, that's absolutely Joseph Scott Morgan, his thoughts on this topic because Yo, this is the most important thing right at the moment when all this is happening, the phone does not communicate with the networks, right, prosecutors? Obviously I think because when murderers who have half a brain are going to do something, they turn off their phone.

What do you think about this possible evidence that the defense believes will be exculpatory? You know, I really wonder if there's a part of me that's been thinking about how the car works in this. It's a 2015 Alantra Alantra and you know what kind of data that vehicle recorded. As far as I know, I've heard a couple people say that in 15 years. The CPU keeping track of the data was optional, it was an option on this thing. I don't know if it's equipped with that and I'm really wondering if there is data contained, if they did a data dump on the car to try to determine.

If that data matches or runs in parallel with what they believe was happening with the cellular device and as far as turning it on and off, I think someone who knows knows that many media outlets have reported that there is some type of Mastermind they would not have brought their phone with them in the first place, they would have known better, they would have left it in your apartment and you wouldn't have this problem now, then all you would have is the videography, which by the way is not very good, as I understand it, there was no capture license plate during this period of time, so again, that could be a problem for the prosecution, but the fact that he is simply the expert is simply ruling out that they, uh, that there is the exculpatory data that is not being provided is big and tempting, but I don't know, you really know how much meat is on the bone from an evidentiary standpoint.

I mean, that's a powerful word inside a courtroom when you're arguing with a judge about exculpatory evidence these cases have been litigated before the Supreme Court, you have to hand it to them and I'm really confused by what this expert is saying saying, "Okay "Look, I have to say Vin." I don't know, you know this could be a movement, they're just trying to be provocative with this, you know, in relation to how they're attacking this case, that's the defense, you know, because what they're doing is blame. Game, you know well, we don't have everything we need, you have to turn it over and over, maybe they're just being provocative, you know, in this case, Gray Hughes, you know, I'm reading this and it seems like this expert has already done it made. did some analysis and their preliminary analysis places it near Wwai Park and they say wait a minute, wait a minute prosecutors, you have more, you haven't given us everything you need to give us these things because I know this is the exculpatory evidence . he's going to put it somewhere else all night long, including the moment in question, yeah, I mean, I think I actually looked this guy up and there are some cases where the judge threw out all the information that he put in the case like once.

There was a case where he highlighted that an ex-husband or something was a stalker and placed him in the area of ​​the house, but I think in this case it was the defense because he was a witness for the prosecution in that case, the defense was able to prove which, with the GPS coordinates, it wasn't even close to that and the GPS coordinates are absolutely really accurate, not the cell phone data, so the cell phone data it generated, so when I read this, what? which was not accurate, so when I read this it seemed to me that what he was saying is that, you know, first he wants to see what the state has and then he will do his analysis because, but if you don't send In, I will say that the information that he didn't share was exculpatory, that's what it sounds like you're trying to do, it's basically a threat and the bottom line is that the way our justice system works is that prosecutors give everything to the defense and if it's something that's exculpatory or potentially exculpatory, they absolutely have to provide it;

If not, I mean, cases have been dismissed for such conduct and if you do it on purpose, you could lose your law license. I mean there's a lot going on here Sam um I want to give you the last word on this topic um how do you think about this? What is it? What are the key pieces of information needed here to absolutely find out where that cell phone was? I think one of the key things here in this case is going to be linking it especially to this alibi of going

stargazing

and things like that will be what's called a pattern of life, so if you're going to tell me you're

stargazing

, I'm going to look for on that phone key vocabulary.

I hope it has that kind of vocabulary and I also hope to do such a deep analysis on that phone to answer your question. I hope to see a lot more of that. corroborating information that uh the locations are fine Sam Brothers Hive International Director of Digital Forensics appreciates your time tonight uh Jose Scott Morgan will be staying with us when we get back um gray use has been talking about the video we're going to show His videos are things amazing, but my real question tonight is: could there really be a second white Elantra cruising in the early hours of the morning in the Pulman area of ​​Moscow?

We began to identify patterns and, as we said before, we are confident that the occupant or occupants of that vehicle have information that is critical to this investigation. We also understand that while sometimes there is some fascination with the particular case, some people just don't watch the news and we may not know we're looking for it, so if we find out, hey, maybe your neighbor has one in the garage that doesn't drive very often, maybe there is one that just isn't in the registration database, let us So far we have a list of approximately 22,000 registered white Hyundai Elants that fit our criteria that we are reviewing.

It's a lot of information, but it may not be all of it, so the public canhelp us. That's when they were looking for this white Elantra and what blew me away, uh, what Captain Lanir was saying, 22,000 of them, okay, I guess it's possible that there's a second white Elantra that we're talking about here, um, but in the problem, cause afid, David, uh. The prosecution really laid out through this document what their video surveillance believes shows and actually tracks and traces this number one suspect vehicle making all these passes and going to all these different locations, so I want to show you some footage here because there is a video that we have in our hands thanks to Gry Use who is with us tonight.

Take a look and this video is a still image that shows you the point of view of the camera we're going to talk about. here and you can see the image right below the letters of that number one suspect vehicle. Now let me show you the path it may have taken, as this vehicle drove by the scene several times that night, and you see where. Queen Road is and where the point is, that's the crime scene, so you can see how you can enter the crime scene as a kind of loop around Walenta Drive and how you can enter that crime scene.

Now, what I want to show you now is where it is. where the surveillance camera of the video that we are going to show you was actually located, so there you see the crime scene which is the house and then you see 1330 Linda Lane, that is where the security camera is and you see these images of a vehicle passing by in the early hours of the morning that's where it is in relation to the crime scene um so let's do this first um use gray took that path um down that path let's take a look at the path that you took and I think in the In the middle of this, you show us the real point of view of the surveillance camera, so where exactly is this gray?

Yes, this is right in front of 500 Queen Road and this is exactly the route the white Elantra took, I think four. On different occasions I switched to daylight so you can see what it looks like, but you can see there's a route back behind the building and then there's the vehicle on the camera and now I'm back to darkness. I just wanted you to get different perspectives. So you can see it during the day and at night now, just as it turns here, to the left, you'll see that the house is actually there, on the left, through those woods, you can barely see its whiteness there. on the left okay so I think he stopped for a couple of minutes each pass and sat here looking out the window to make sure he saw who if the lights were off or there was still movement in the house I think he just I was waiting. so all the lights went out before he came in now Joseph Scott Morgan do you think about passing several times like what are your thoughts about the killer's mind going around going around going around because it's already past two, it's past three um and and and then There you know the big one, uh, when he turns in front of the crime scene, what do you think about the killer's mind in those moments?

Whether an individual had the purpose of entering that residence on King's Road. I think that and they had planned it. uh they would be looking for any signs of movement uh any other people that might be coming in or out of those residents let's think about food delivery uh and I think they would potentially be looking for maybe lights to go out and some of us. I have thought that perhaps if you go to the back of the hill, you could have a vantage point from that place to look towards the house and whatever lights were on, it would illuminate anything within that residence if you were sitting in the dark and perhaps waiting for the last light to go out.

I think the key here again is an indication that someone is perhaps biding his time until he gets very comfortable with it. Alright, great, let's go over these steps. Let's start with pass number two. This is surveillance video 338 to 339. What are we seeing here? You'll stop and turn right and you'll see it pass just to the left, so you'll see the lights going down. That's that 500 Queen Road that goes straight and then turns right and you'll see it passes right there on the left side next to that wall, there's a little wall right there, you can see the top of it and it does that. uh, two more times after this, but then it turns around and goes back the other direction, but I guess we'll see the order in which it happens.

Okay, let's move on to number three, let's put them in order. We're going to go to number three, now here's the third pass and again we're talking about this, you know, kind of a circular motion here, same thing, we're starting to see some lights, that's the suspect vehicle, yeah, it's going to be driving. in this direction and that there were about 16 or 17 minutes between that pass, so it was a little longer than the first pass, so it could be that the car went further away, there are indications that the car passed through a station on duty, heading east, so here he's making the third pass and then he leaves the area again and then now we move forward, yeah, to 405, which is about seven, eight minutes later, with a number four pass, let's look at this one, yeah , and this absolutely coincides with probable cause. what it says makes three initial passes and then comes back here turns you'll see it does this you can actually see the whole white Elantra when it stopped right here right there yeah there it is yeah wow exactly you can you can.

I see the entire vehicle and then it backs up and this is not the three point turn that is mentioned in the probable cause, but it is a three point turn. All he said was that he turned in this area and then came back out. in front of 500 Queen Road and then and then it heads towards King Road and makes some sort of attempt to stop or park, but doesn't, then does a three-point turn at Queen and King Road and then comes back for its final pass, yeah, let's take a look at that final pass and as we watch Joseph Scott Morgan, the one gray thing that I know he talked about last time seems to be moving a little faster at this point like the adrenaline is pumping, yeah, maybe you come to the final conclusion, this is the last thing you know if you orbit what the individual driving this vehicle will do before entering the residence and look at those moments, uh, at the top. by the way, kudos to Gray, he did a great job getting access to this, this is fantastic, you know, it would be great if you knew with all the video surveillance if we had a clearer view of things, but you know the cars just didn't fall out of that way, right?

You have this interesting vehicle, this unique vehicle, well, 22,000 of them, so we'll see where it goes, we'll see where it goes just in time for tonight. Crime Live Streamer Gry Use Investigates Joseph Scott Morgan Body Bags Podcast Thank you both so much