Joe Rogan and Pete Dominick Debate Gun Control

Joe Rogan's experience, yeah, and the justice system is obviously a really interesting thing to talk about in constitutional law, it's a fascinating thing for people who study this idea that we argue about the Second Amendment, like we let constitutional lawyers Discuss many of these topics. things and we should all understand that and be curious about it, but I would like our Constitution to be nonsense too, let's redo everything, have that conversation, it was much better that we could have a serious conversation about what kind of guns and bullets. people can't have the thought I have more they can't have that's the conversation that's where we should be now everything is regulated everything there are tradeoffs in healthcare there are tradeoffs and everything but Americans are now so divided They want everything they want , but that commitment is something we don't do as Americans, much less in government, that's absurd, Democrats who demand purity or anyone who is doing that, you don't agree with me, you're wrong.

Wait, that's no is no, you actually have any relationship with people in your real life like that, like me and my wife, we don't agree on a lot of things, but I love her, it's my id or her, we both have talked. about before they are on teams and you want your team to win so you say why you want your team to win the natural thing with human beings okay what I'm saying on the topic of weapons the most positive part about the mess. The important thing about guns is that even if you made them illegal, even if you said you can't have bullets, everyone will go to jail, there are so many guns that you won't get them all, it's not possible because there are more guns and there are people, which it means there are over 300 and thirty million guns there in our country alone, it's absolutely fantastic, the most important point of the discussion, that's a crazy number, man, do you really stop and think about that number, you ask yourself: What is that real, but not?

You can't really stop behavior by necessarily creating certain laws about why someone might behave a certain way and shoot people, that won't necessarily change what is done, i.e. limiting access to certain types of weapons and around ammunition. Well, the real question is. Why would anyone do that right? That's question number one. Not like women. It is a more difficult question to answer. The easiest answer is to make them less accessible. Yes, if the people who have problems cannot solve them, if I could make them less, except for the president. I'm going to blame, I mean, I want to get political, but like this there is no data on the plot of the video game.

Well, the plot of the video game is interesting because a few soldiers mentioned it to me, including Dakota Meyer. Yes, I heard that. conversation I'm willing to have it I mean, no, I don't think it necessarily makes sense for people to behave in certain ways that are horrible because of video games, but if they were already inclined toward violence to begin with, maybe they already short-circuited and then they become desensitized to violence in movies and violence and video games, does that have an impact on them? I am not the person to answer that question, whether or not it has an impact is variable. variable that I think deserves discussion.

I don't know if it's really no. I don't think it's because I didn't imagine it deserves discussion. Well, let me clarify this point and then you decide if you think it deserves discussion. Well, the violent ones. Video games have been played at much higher rates in Japan and don't have the gun violence that we do. Good point, they have a very different culture, although the way you don't have access to weapons is true, that's all, you can do that too. I have a lot of them they've had a few months away is the access I had I shoot guns I shoot guns They catch my attention I have nothing but respect for hunters I grew up in a hunting community, but I mean, I don't know, I don't think it's happened Much of the conversation is about access to guns that can fire so many bullets and quickly kill so many people.

I don't think we have to get rid of them somehow, but I agree on how to do it. Yes, that is the most important point, there are already 330, there are more weapons and there are people, so what do you do? By the way, I think if you buy as many as you can, you sure spend a lot of taxpayers' money. It just helped. by the way, there are a lot of people in trouble right now that have a rifle like, oh my god, I'm not going to advance my insulin, let me get rid of this, a k47 to live another month, you buy some guns again. a good waste of money and then melting them down and turning them into furniture for people, so if you wanted to do that without changing the Second Amendment you would just have a buyback where you just offer people the opportunity to make some money by giving them their guns .

Well, in my opinion, the Supreme Court has misinterpreted the Second Amendment. I mean, it doesn't say that people should have it until 2008. It doesn't say that nobody thought those people should have a personal right to have guns until 2008. case, but I don't think it's necessary to talk about the Second Amendment. I think people just need to agree that these guns should not be sold as ammunition to talk about the Second Amendment. I mean it's a big trade because people you can have guns you can have guns you just can't have these guns anymore not those ones you know all these guns there are no restrictions anywhere and they work City you can have a gun yeah they work not even me I think you can have a switch plate in New York City hmm yeah Cyrus Vance the DA is like he's terrified that they're changing the federal government's law change because he knows those gun laws in New York York really work.

Well, and by the way, people always make the argument, well, they have those gun laws in Chicago, there's a lot of violence, that's because Chicago is on the Indiana board, it doesn't allow guns to cross the border. , that's how gun laws work. works well Chicago is also in the middle of a bitter war on drugs, well, yes, I mean, that's where the violence comes from, but we should have less access to those types of weapons, like any other civil society in the world, come on, this is like but it goes back to what you were talking about before, like drugs, if they were legal, you wouldn't have that kind of war on drugs, sure, it's the root of most of the violence in the inner cities and Obviously, in Mexico, yes.

It's the black markets, it's the illicit drugs, yes, they are making tons of money from it. What is the second amendment exactly as written? Should the right to bear arms not be infringed? So how do you think the Supreme Court misinterpreted that in the 2008 case that everyone should just cover up the work of Erich Segal, who said that a well-regulated militia is necessary for the purity of a free state and the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, yes, those commas are argued by constitutional scholars for a day, yes, the Supreme Court did not decide until 2008 that Americans had the right to own their own gun.

It's such a crazy statement when you read it, it's very interesting because we're going back in time trying to figure it out. Find out how people in 1776 thought about guns and whether that applies to us or not, because if it doesn't apply to us we have to think about 1789, if it doesn't apply to us we have to think well, then who decides. as one of the reasons why we decide as a society any of the reasons why it is so comprehensive. I want to believe that one of the reasons it's so interesting to read this stuff is like we've done it for whatever reason when things are written. in stone or carved in a stone or written in a document like the First Amendment as freedom of speech, I mean, we have it, so we all agree on the freedoms that we don't want to change, yes, freedom of speech, freedom of expression whatever we don't want we want to hold on to that we want to make sure that I deserve that all humans do the Second Amendment the right to have a gun that's our law we have it written look look it's written there for you to study To these ancient words like scrolls they like to step over these zeros and look at the commas and look at the words yes, what they meant will not be infringed.

I think it's fascinating, it's fascinating, but I think they didn't mean this. Joe, I guess how could they say they didn't do it and that the whole gun thing is a money-making scandal? That's what it is, it's a way of selling fear, as if it were true. I mean, home invasion is every family's worst fear, but it doesn't happen a lot and kidnappings don't happen or a lot of these crimes happen at all my halaqaat our generation of parents are helicopter parents terrified of everything that's not true, that's it. Don't let your children go outside. You're right, think that your son is going to kidnap you, you don't know anyone, okay, who kidnapped your son?

But you're generalizing because it happens to all Asians sometimes, right, but that's not how we should do it. laws, we don't have to exist as if everyone is going to kidnap your child. or everyone is going to break into your house, but what I'm saying is that those islands are real sometimes, that's why people want to be able to have guns because sometimes someone can break into your house and people have defended their house and their property with handguns, but is it a way, is it a realistic threat or is it something that the gun industry creates these incredible ads and scares people, oh come on, the man's crimes are real, look if the crime is real, they are certain memories so real, I think.

The clear point is that the reason we have so many guns in the United States is because there is a lot of money to be made from them. I think we could limit and regulate them completely and have a thoughtful conversation. I think that's where most people are. Although I hate that generalization, there's something to that, but there's also something to the reason we have so many cars, people will have that conversation, we'll get rid of all the cars, well, well, I mean, no, that's wrong. For us, why should we get rid of all the cars?

Don't you like freedom or do you want a better solution? You know I don't have a better solution, but there should be one or I think we're killing ourselves. With all cars pollution is table, you can make them electric, yes, okay. I think it would be okay if I have had a Chevy Volt since 2012. I have solar panels. I'm trying to be the change I want to see in the world. If I'm sounding like a complete hypocrite and all, I eat meat and do all kinds of things, I think I'm having a thoughtful conversation about guns and why each of them is part of our culture and not another culture like the other. cultures and countries regulate their weapons that the problems that our problems have, sure we talk about mental health but the problem with that conversation that people don't want to have is that everything costs money that's what you have to pay taxes paying taxes is the price of civilization, what does it have to do with mental health, you have to pay for people to help people run, you cannot advocate in government for Republicans or Democrats, this is what unfortunately Trump and the Republicans They have advocated, let's get mental health solutions for violence, do that, everyone is behind that, except that they cut Obama's care programs that funded even health, it simply cannot be done, the money must be spent on providing health mentally, it is a problem that needs to be addressed, but it is not the main problem, it is definitely the guns and the bullets in them, well, the main problem is the person who is able to shoot people with guns and the bullets, It is now the year 2000, the bullet under the bullet are inanimate objects without a person pulling the trigger, we are talking nonsense here, they are not.

They will just shoot themselves the main problem is similar to the main problem is some problem will unlock the gun I will shoot people well we agreed we both agree there are problems with not having an eye but don't you think the main problem is the person? who really shoots me I think every other country in the world doesn't have this problem because they don't have the gun, that's where I start and end the discussion, why is it possible that they can? The thing is, they don't have guns, but there are places that do and don't have many mass shootings.

Canada is one of them right now, they don't have the kind of weapons that we have there. They have a lot of guns, but they don't have a K 47 with unlimited rounds, they don't, that's crazy, the guns are awesome, I get it, do you think there are more or less limitations on what you're allowed to have with the guns? of fire? I believe in Canada I believe in Canada Canadian gun laws are much stricter, they are more regulated. I just tried something. Recently, Trudeau announced something that he was going to severely limit. This is a very recent measure.

It severely limits the type of firearms you can own, including what things you can own. multiple rounds and chambers and certain types of weapons that are used right now like hunting rifles, so it was a big rejection that this is really obvious, there is always a finding about thewhat the conversation about freedom like the Second Amendment to me is is just your interpretation, whatever your interpretation is, that's the interesting thing, it's a health care issue and they and them it's so extreme, it's really if you want to know. The answer to healthcare is you should talk to public health experts, they have those answers, they have the research, but we'll stick with the research on one, well, they don't end up doing the research, they don't have enough research. about firearms violently, so I'm talking about if you want to know the solutions for what's impacting and creating death to any extent, accidental death, but we're talking about gun violence, right?

Health professionals have the solutions to gun violence, I believe many. healthcare solution I think certainly surgeons have argued why certain munitions have destroyed the inside of the body and you cannot survive. I think public health officials have argued that certainly all pediatricians defend this idea that you can't ask parents if they have a gun in the house because the gun lobby is against that because they're building this conspiracy of that the government is going to track your gun. That's terrible. Your pediatrician has to ask you. Do you have a swimming pool? Where do you keep the poison?

Where are the weapons? because god forbid you know you're not responsible enough you're educated enough to know that kid could get that gun accidentally and it happens all the time there's a rule against that yeah public health officials and doctors are practically in the same case. with this topic these guns and mental health I think the experts also I don't know maybe there is a big disagreement and if there is, I'm happy to be wrong on this or on any nonsense. I said right, what you're saying is that these public health officials could make these guns less lethal by banning certain types of ammunition because they destroy people and checking to see if parents know if they have a gun or where the gun is or how It's about, how it's kept under lock and key. that they shouldn't, I mean, how do they feel as public officials?

Public health officials, yes, could have some impact on that. Well, public health experts know that their entire responsibility is to keep people safe from the right diseases and my gang looks at the helots if they have any bullet it's lethal, right? Do you want to have bullets that are less lethal? I think that could be a law for sure, why isn't it lethal? Yes, for human bodies. Yes, we shouldn't kill each other with bullets all the time. a bullet will stop anyone, a blunt ER, but whatever, I don't understand the arguments about ammunition, but the point is, well, you broke it, that's why I brought it, some excellent public health experts will analyze it which is creating disease and death, okay? car accidents what I tell you is that I think it is false to say that public health officials have an answer to why we are having so much mass violence.

I don't think anyone has an answer. I think we're clear and I think we could say that if they didn't have guns, he couldn't do it and you're right and I could say that if we, these people weren't mentally handicapped or full of mentally handicapped, we shouldn't say handicapped, melted. compromised full of all kinds of demons all offensive demons also different medications that are with their criteria maybe they do abuse all kinds of spirits in childhood there are many factors surely no one has any idea why someone is abused and who is above is able to make that leap we have some ideas about it, that's all, we have some ideas about it and we talk about it endlessly and yes, yes, you're right, if no one had a gun, there wouldn't be any problem with it, you couldn't shoot people en masse, but would we still have people lashing out trying to hurt people?

I think we always will, but we have misaligned mental health, we have to have fun, no one is into research, yeah, a lot of people aren't, I'm not. I think we should I think we should not only become people in the same way that we appreciate mental health, we should make it a top priority. Yes, I think we should think about making four-hour work days mandatory. I think we should help people. I think you already know. They just didn't experiment. Microsoft did it in Japan, in fact, and they found that a four-hour, four-day work week increased productivity by 40 percent.

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't, maybe this is their culture or maybe this one. is a specific example of the type of people who would get a job at Microsoft, but you know, what you're dealing with for most people are knocked down shells that are touched by everyone, that together goes back to the gun argument that advocates the 4-hour work week and any other kind of benefits that civilized nations around the world have, especially in Scandinavia, studying that culture is really interesting and what they do, yes, and you realize that there are many things that what you can do to help people and how you have to be able to fund those solutions and people don't want to do it right, people don't pay more taxes, but they also distrust the way the government spends their money, so I ran into a problem.

I'm sorry. Even if they wanted things to get better, they don't trust the government to spend their money. If you work hard and make X amount of dollars, the government says that's a fair argument, but there's not necessarily a bet on a better way. Well, I'll give you that argument, but we have to come together, I agree, this is how we are going to spend the money on the fire department, on the schools, etc., yes, well, no one is arguing.