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with your host steve dangle adam wilde and jesse blake i'm a hot guy. I wonder: a man with a big ass, a guy with a pretty face. Actually, he was putting this up. show together and I was wondering where the hell to start and I think you know the way our last show ended, we knew Shanahan was going to hold a press conference at three o'clock, the Kyle Dubis news came up on the show, uh , and then it was like, oh cool, now we're going to get a long weekend press release or whatever and we didn't understand that, we actually have Shanahan, yeah, and on my drive up to the cabin my wife's family we heard it and my my daughter was in the back saying like dad dad I'm like I'm like Everly I love you so much but you got it you have to put a sock on it at the moment Shanahan is talking Darth Vader Uncle Brendan Uncle Brendan is talking and I think, uh what developed after that and I'm listening to people who do this for a living, you know, we watch press conferences, we break them down, Steve's been to a few uh and I've been to I went to a press conference of Dolly Parton once, that's the closest I've ever been to a real person, really, yeah, you met Dolly Parton.

I met her and interviewed her after her. Did you shake her hand? Yeah, and she's incredibly hilarious, that's unreal, what's her handshake like? uh, strong, strong, but. Like she wasn't too strong, she didn't crush your fingers, I believe you, yeah, I know she's amazing, she had a sweaty hand, she didn't, she was great, huh, but she's lovely and amazing. Royal um, I wish Brandon could handle a press conference with Dolly Parton. I can't, uh, but that doesn't mean it was bad, it was one of the most compelling sports dramas I think any of us have ever seen and I'll tell you every reporter in every article I read said, "I've never seen it before." kind of in a nutshell, so I guess we start from the beginning, with the new face of the Toronto Maple Leafs and whether or not you want this to be the case, the new GM is not the face of the team, uh. the new one, the current coach or the new one, you know if he is key for someone else, he will not be the face, the players are no longer the face of success or failure, Brennan Shanahan because of this press conference is the face of the franchise and he will be the If you use this, we're back to the Shanna plan.

You won't be able to go on TV and say the things he said right or wrong, whether you're Team Shanahan or Team Dubus or somewhere in between and we. We'll talk about it. You can't do that and not be the face of it. I don't know, he doesn't make a lot of efforts in the media, but maybe he has to start doing more because he just put himself out there. a territory Allah messiahujiri uh but without the success without the success or the trade that led to it because remember Messiah was also under pressure when the Raptors got Lebronto so let's get into it Jesse can you start the beginning of this conference of press?

We're not going to go over the whole thing, but I think it's important that we listen again to Shandy's chronology of events. For many of us, it's been three or four days. Last offseason I approached Kyle in his office at the Ford Performance Center and explained. I told him that he would not receive a contract offer before his last year of contract. I tried to assure him that it was not a reflection of his future with the club. I reminded him that it was a situation he found me in. a few years earlier as well and that it was my hope and my intention that at the end of the year and after being judged on the full five years of his contract, that we would extend it and move on, Kyle took it. very good, I thought he was a professional, he addressed that in his statements from the inaugural season that he was comfortable with that and I thought he had done an excellent job.

I thought Kyle had a great offseason, we had some tough decisions to make. Do it if you're judging him on the job he did last summer, some of the decisions to let players go or sign some players. I think it's a challenging job for any general manager and I think Kyle did a great job getting us there. The season is very well organized, many options. I thought the team was a typical up-and-down season, but they had a great regular season. Throughout the year, the way the team was managed I didn't have a problem with that, in fact I thought that again.

Kyle did a great job at the trade deadline again, getting back to his process and the way our team does this here under his leadership, there's a lot of input and I thought he made some really good moves and I thought he prepared the team. equipment. Well, to the best of my ability, as any GM can do after the trade deadline, there's not much a GM can do, so it's important to me shortly after the trade deadline, in mid-March. , I approached Kyle in his office at the Ford Performance Center. and I told him that he had seen enough in my mind to want him to be our general manager in the future, but that he should go home and take some time to think about it and if he felt comfortable with that idea, I would start to talk to the owners.

About that, Kyle appreciated that we've had a good relationship all year, that day was nothing different, he came back to see me about a week later and said yes, he was comfortable moving forward and gave me the name of his agent or He said his agent would contact me, but he didn't want this to be a distraction for him and I respected his wishes not to discuss it with him again at that time, so let's fast forward to the end. end of the season, through the end of the regular season, the playoffs. I had a lot of good conversations with Kyle's agent.

I felt like we were making progress. I wanted to be in a position to respect Kyle's wishes and not discuss this with him as it was happening, but I knew that his agent was occasionally giving him updates, that's really up to them. I don't know exactly what was going on there, but I felt like those conversations that were productive put me in a position that when the season ended, um or even if it was between rounds because at a certain point I felt like if the second round was over even if we went to the third round, this was something that needed attention now and I felt that those conversations and the communications I received from Kyle had put me in a position where I could come to him with something that was practically a done deal that reflected what he wanted financially and what I wanted as general manager.

Which was important to him when the season ended. ended unfortunately abruptly um, it was very important to me that I was ready to go early. I expressed to Kyle that night that, as disappointed as we all were, I thought he had done a good job. It is a difficult time for the players. It's a tough time for management it's a tough time for all of us it's a tough time for Maple Leaf fans and those in those moments after a loss uh but we had a day off on Saturday we communicated a little bit via text On Sunday we had a team photo.

Here we went to my office. Had another good conversation with Kyle. I presented him with what I thought was a framework that reflected what his agent and I had talked about and a good ending. So I want you to really tune in here. because this is where it starts to get interesting, you have Shanahan saying that I presented him with a scam, a contract and that he thought it was along the lines of what Kyle's agent, uh uh, and Shanny had talked about before, well, here is really where it becomes important to continue the effort to get this done as soon as possible and Kyle took it, seemed fine or seemed pleased to get that news so quickly and then we talked about the hockey team for a couple more minutes. hours and we went home and we knew that the next day we would have exit physicals and media we talked a little bit about doing media.

I had expressed to him that it was not my intention to speak to the media until I had something arranged with him. um I expressed it, I thought maybe it would be a good idea if he didn't either, but Kyle City really wanted to talk to the media and I respected that he, uh, he felt that his players were talking, his coach was talking and that he should too and I respected his wishes so the next day when you know and let me come back I would also say that part of our conversation in my office was that this was difficult for his family.

To be fair, we talk about it, quite frankly, it's it's hard for all of our families, it's, it's kind of hard, it's hard for the players, um, the parents, but it's the job we choose, the sport we choose, we're very lucky to be in it, but that's not the case. coming without taking a toll on the families, I fully acknowledge that and we talked a little bit about it, um, the next day, although I would say that when afterwards, while I was watching Kyle's press, um, I think at that moment there was a change in my manner of thinking. moment a dramatic change in my thinking as I was driving home that night that, as Kyle expressed, maybe he didn't want to be our general manager and I have to take that very seriously, as I had told him the day before, I understood those feelings and the pressure and the pressure that the players are under the pressure that the management coaches, the family members are under, but it was a very real possibility for me at that time that I would need to look elsewhere, okay, so let's wait there. for a second, so We'll recap just for a second and then I'll let it finish, so what we found out is that Dubus will not be assigned an extension last summer that he is comfortable with and that he spends the year.

Shannon is happy with her moves in the summer she is happy with the team Isis is happy with the trade deadline and close to the trade deadline Shanny is going to dubis do you want to stay? Duba said yes, then he will go to management and try to convince the board, which we found out with CJ. last week on our show, you know Rogers and Bell didn't agree with this, supposedly Larry Tannenbaum had wanted to extend it all along, Shanahan's job as co-governor and president is to go to the meeting and say Here it is. why I think this person should stay, let's look at his entire contract, not just this season, although it seemed like they were looking at him just this season, and they get approval from the board and then he negotiates with the agent. presents a contract and all that effort and all that time leads to the Leafs deciding: this is the guy we want and what you're about to hear is how 72+ hours of an entire year of decision making is a process very deliberately long.

The timeline fell apart so let's move on, he hasn't done anything, he didn't say anything other than Dubis has done a good job so far and it's like part of my job, that's what I started doing while I was still waiting for Kyle and I could reach some kind of agreement. a resolution what I would say then was in the next few days. I didn't get any more clarity. um Tuesday uh Wednesday um Tuesday Kyle and I didn't meet privately um Wednesday we met privately and we discussed this again for a long time. At that point, I probably had more questions than answers and lacked clarity.

Plus, it made me feel like there's a good chance someone is right to do it, maybe he doesn't want to be the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, so my focus then continued back down the path of what we're going to be next. year with a different general manager. As of Thursday, the next day, Kyle had said that his agent was going to call me and that he would contact me as well. I received a call in the afternoon from his agent and the agent basically presented me with a new financial package. The conversation was brief.

I didn't hear from Kyle all day and I went home and just before dinner time I got an email from Kyle saying that he wanted to be the GM of the Maple Leafs at that time. If I'm honest, I had to do it. He had come to a different place about how I felt about the future of astronomical beliefs and what it was. the best and as hard as it was and as hard as it is to make a significant change in someone that you're close to and that you've been working with for nine years, even though I was introduced to um well, there was a gap I increased within the state of the contract and yet in the email I received from Kyle, I felt differently and felt that the long-term future of the Maple Leafs might have to change and I fell asleep on that, so, then Shanahan goes on to say that it was to Kyle's office at the Ford Performance Center and told him that they were going in a separate direction and that he named the Ford Performance Center three separate times during that statement.

Good condition, it's good, which I found out Ford was pushing it. or was it him, he is, he very deliberately paints a picture here, he wants you to imagine everything that happened and he wants it to be ingrained in your mind and I think that's part of the reason why so many people have taken this like 100 gospel, the other one. The reason is that Dubus has not said anything and just before the program, Dubis issued astatement that I have not yet read. Go ahead and read it. Okay, you want me to read it and if you react, will you be able to react?

Fly, what do you think I'm going to be able to? Okay, go, fly, so this is Kyle Dubis and his family have released a statement, following his departure from the Maple Leafs. I got this from Sportsnet's Instagram, he posted it himself. Oh well then. Yes, he tweeted it from Kyle Dubis, not a Sportsnet, a very good way to do it right. I understand that there is interest surrounding the circumstances of my departure. I won't go into the details of what I consider to be reasonable and consistent but private discussions on the days when I felt I needed to assess and evaluate my own vision for the future, both in regards to the necessary direction of the club and to ensure it had full support. from my family for what I knew would happen. out of season in years to follow the organization as is their right to do decided to go in a different direction in the nine seasons since we were given the opportunity to work in the National Hockey League for the Toronto Maple Leafs, we have had the opportunity of learning a lot and having grown significantly through the ups and downs.

We have seen our family double in size while developing meaningful relationships that will last a lifetime. It was an honor to be able to work in such an inspiring place with dedicated and loyal people. an extremely passionate fan base, the impact of that and the relationships with everyone at mlse, from the board of directors to the ushers at Scotiabank Arena, will always have a place in our hearts for the players, coaches and facility staff. Day past and present thank you for your passion and commitment in every step of the journey together. It was a tremendous pleasure to work with you every day.

From here, the Dubis family, so the first obvious issue is Brandon Shanahan as the owner of the person. that's good, mlse is mentioned, oh yeah, that's true, um uh, the mlse people aren't talking about him he's not talking about the guys who signed the checks, he's talking about the employees, uh, he says the board directive does say so, so yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, Adam's right, I don't think so, and who am I supposed to interpret this? Well, and this besides Brenda, yeah, well, and the only guy who didn't live. I think that's what it's about, and I think that's what I want.

To take away from this conversation, I started this and I think Steve and Jesse know it in their hearts. Brandon Shanahan is now the face of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Welcome to the new age. Welcome to any general manager, any coach. The players are brought to Shany, the face of this and Dubis was the face. Shanny started as the face and then got Dubus to be the face. You know Lou was there in the middle, but this is real now and this is Shanahan's last chance. him and this is where it's what's strange to me and I'm sure it's strange to Kyle Dubis.

His last chance will be to fire and then fire everyone and hire everyone to replace him. Wow, there's a lot riding on the last chance, I think. I think it's fun and I think it's interesting and I want to start here. CJ pointed this out in his North Star article, which is absolutely engrossing by the way, but he's never seen me love CJ's writing anyway. I'm biased. but he's never seen him write anything like this before and what do you know the Leafs are supposed to be or at least they dropped this air that we're a process driven organization?

Everything we do is very deliberate, we stick to our processes whether the wind is going our way or not is what makes someone change their mind after a plan in some places is in place for a year and I'm talking specifically from Kyle Dubus' press conference last Monday where he said this was hard on his family and he would have to think about it, which Shanahan then describes: They had had that conversation the day before, hey, it was hard on my family, yeah , me too, you know, it's just that this is a demanding job, no, and he's I'm not doing it out of sympathy, I think he's being honest about it, both guys are being honest about it, but what's interesting to me here is that at a press conference, Kyle Dubus was somehow unable, somehow able to undo the decision-making process that had been They made a year in advance who the man for the job is and then they liked the job which he had done before and then they drove home that night and Shanahan says Toronto traffic ruins everything, yeah maybe that's the case, imagine if he had a short drive.

I'm still GM right now, well that's what you get for the damn Gardener, if you live in the West End, that's what you deal with in the West End of Toronto. The traffic is horrible. Gardner destroyed the Leafs once again, but when he drove home he apologized and changed. his mind and I, Jesse Steve guys, if you have a decision that's been a year in the making, are you going to let a press conference or 72 hours completely unravel it? Do you know? I think I think you've seen my video and I'm very much against what Brandon Brennan Shanahan has done.

I'm almost less against the idea of ​​voiceover no longer being GM and more against the way Brandon Shanahan and everyone, basically everyone above Kyle Dubus, have handled it. this um they thought this guy did a good job they said he did a good job uh and they thought he was the guy to take them forward he had a bet a bad press conference and I don't think this could be unpopular with some I don't think Kyle Dubus be innocent here. Nick Caprios had a very strong rant about Dubis. You know, he used his family in the media.

I think he's harsh, well he said it was like a negotiation tactic. Those were his words. I think that is. very hard um and I don't see it that way. I have a hard time believing this fanbase would go, you know what, God, I feel so bad for him, give him some more money, maybe what Kipper is thinking is you know the absence. something makes him more valuable so maybe Kyle is on Kipper's mind here and this is again, it was right after the press conference so you know you're straying from what he knows at the time so I'll give that to Nick.

I'm sure where you're saying, "Well, I'm not going anywhere else, but maybe I don't want to do this for a while. In certain circles people would see it as a way to increase your value. I think that's what what he does." but then he completely dismisses a negotiating ploy for himself at that same press conference by saying: I don't have the strength to go anywhere else, so if the goal was to raise the price, say yes, I could go. "Anywhere, it's not that the ploy isn't the move, yeah, there are 31 other teams that would be happy to have me right now, obviously, you can't get in front of the microphone and say that because the Leafs will say that's fine." I'll go get them, but he said into a microphone.

There are many other teams. Now he's here and I know we're going to get to this. He has been granted permission to speak with the Pittsburgh Penguins. He can do whatever he wants with his life and who would turn down a great job, uh, with a great organization and a great ownership group, but if he takes that job he'll look like a fool. You just told us you weren't going anywhere, you didn't have it in you. As we have seen, in 72 hours things can change, many things can change, but you specifically said and you didn't do it, you didn't like to put a contingent on it, it was just that.

I read it and I think most people. Read it because I'm either going to be the GM of the Leafs next year or I'm not going to be a GM in the NHL for now, so if he ends up going to the Penguins or some other team after saying that, yeah. I think he's going to look a little silly. I think Brennan Shanahan and the board were caught off guard by the fact that Dubis was even using an agent like because again and there's a reason I pointed out the Ford performance center stuff. I think Brandon Shanahan.

It was very deliberate, uh, painting a picture and there are little breadcrumbs everywhere, um, Elliot Friedman noted that Rogers or the Telecom bosses don't like surprise last-minute changes, in contrast, no joke, he worked for both of them, not for them, yes, tell me. So they don't like that Brandon Shanahan in that statement mentioned that Dubis gave Shanny the name of his agent, so I think the agent is a relatively new player now that you've dealt with agents and lawyers and stuff before. about what. Brandon had these long conversations with Kyle and then the next day he had a short conversation and that was also deliberate, to say it was short, short, it means cold, so it was a new financial package and we had a short short conversation that surely makes it Looks like here's my dollar amount, take it or take it, this is how Shanahan framed it, this is how Shanahan paints the photo, but then you talk to do this about all these things, then you have a brief conversation with the agent and then the next day, Dubis emails you saying he still wants the job if that's how it happened.

That's careless of Dumas. Your agent does have a role in this. If they are doing their job. Shouldn't they be the ones sending that email? my client is willing to blah blah blah blah blah yeah normally that's what happens if you're the one who brought the agent into this conversation why are you the one sending that email that's sloppy and that's very strange from someone who would normally hire all the Now the goal of an agent, if you've never had one before, is for the management group you work for to hate your agent and not you, honestly, that It's your job, your job is to ask Alan, your job is to negotiate on behalf. of the players so that the players can focus on hockey and what Focus hockey means is that they are not yelling and screaming on the phone or telling the general manager to leave when the bid is low, that is Alan or Don Meen's job or Pat Brisal or anyone else. of the people who do that particular job has it, do you know who Kyle Davis' agent is, isn't it a guy named Chris Armstrong?

Yes, he and this has been going around. Your agents Chris Armstrong works at the Wasserman agency which is a big agency and one of his clients is Austin Austin Matthews and that really sucks and is cause for concern so those are some of the things that dubis has done that I don't like They liked them in all of this, but here's What I Would Say, you know, he says maybe he doesn't want to be the GM, which I don't think is what he said, that's how Shanahan interpreted it. It sounds like the agent rubbed Shanahan or the board. in the wrong way and it seems like this all happened very quickly now that they are operating on a very tight deadline, but who created that deadline?

Brendan and the board and the board, what I would say is that the adults should have been able to come to a resolution here. Based on the information Shanahan has given us, I think they should have been able to work something out because all you told me in that statement is that you think he has done a good job, you thought he was the right man for the job and he slipped me and so I fired him and people are talking about oh they didn't fire him, his contract six just expired, no, no, six and a half dozen guys like him, yeah, they summarily fired him, yeah, it's if they tell you to stop working six weeks before. you're supposed to stop working you were fired whatever you want to call it um not renewed whatever you want guys we're not in court right now we're just talking like human beings he was fired um like that that's not how You also read that the board of directors and /o Brennan Shanahan reacted very emotionally to how that press conference went and how that um went and how that sequence of events went in the days that followed.

I want to hear what Jesse has to say in a nutshell. situation very well and I feel like the missing piece in the whole situation is why Kyle Davis' job was hanging by a thread because the conclusions that we are drawing here is that it seems like a very hasty decision, but the only reason you are making That hasty decision is if you do not have confidence in Caldubus and that his job was at stake and that at any moment he could have gone aside, that contract that they put in front of him for the extension was not concrete, so it seems that Brendan Shanahan and the board were looking all the excuses not to give up Cal Dubis.

They waited for the year when only Larry Tannenbaum wanted to do it. They waited until after the Florida series to offer the contract extension once they saw that he was a little shaky. At that press conference they took it away, that's the missing piece for me. It seems like we have a giant puzzle that is missing this piece and that piece is what the relationship was with Brendan Shanahan and Kyle Dubis as that contract. was in front of him, they could have been pulled at any time, you saw some resistance now there's also another very deliberate part where I forgot about Brandon Shanahan referencing the fact that he also went an entire season without a contract for the next one just because Brendan was a good kid and he worked that year without a contract and went through the stress of it all that doesn't mean everyone has to go through it and everyone will handle it the same way and those guysThey don't have different jobs, we went like a calendar year without seeing Brennan Shanahan's face and it didn't matter, you know what I mean, Kyle Dubis, uh, he's a lot more in front of you, the camera focuses on him during every game, watching him throw bottles of water or, sorry, recycle them quickly, you know, he still makes jokes. the media and everything I want to say, the captain of this team is on this team because the Islanders said yeah, we're not going to hire them heading into this season and you know you can talk about it, you know John Tavares made them believe this. or make them believe that you left yourself exposed but they wanted to do that, yes, because they didn't want to, in the end they didn't want to bring Kyle Lewis back, they were fine with leaving him out there because there was a situation.

And it turned out that they would be okay with losing him because whatever I think there is, there's a piece that's missing. In that we don't want to go all the way and talk about it, hey, the interpersonal relationship with Brenda Shannon and Kyle Dupus wasn't great because we don't know how it developed, but there are enough seeds there for us to know. They didn't get along in some parts of their tenure together over those nine years, yes, and when Kyle Dubis made the decision to try and supposedly tried to get a little more power with his new contract, he tried to get a little more money went rogue at that press conference Brennan Shanahan just put his foot down and said no, go ahead, no, no, I want you to leave after you're done, after you've done well.

I want to second Jesse's point. You mentioned that you mentioned that, why Kyle Dubus' job was hanging in the balance, and you mentioned the conversation between Chris Armstrong and Brandon Shanahan, how Shanahan described it as a new, brief compensation package that has emerged since then, and this is not completely surprising. On Friday it was suspected that there was a power play and this is a corporate power play. This is one where Kyle Dubis came back and said, I need autonomy. I need autonomy to do things without having to go up the chain through Brendan and therefore essentially.

What happened here is that the agent put together a proposal at the last minute that not only said he would be the general manager, but also some higher-ranking position, probably president or something, he would be general manager in president and, therefore, Therefore, it would allow, depending on the organization, Maple Leaf sports and entertainment structure in the Leafs division would allow Kyle to come out and say that he wants to call up Doug Armstrong and make another trade for Ryan O'Reilly next year when Ryan O'Reilly Reilly firm in St Louis um he could do that without permission and it seems to me that the mlse board of directors, Larry Bell Rogers and Brandon thought they were throwing a lifeline to Kyle Dubus, not that they weren't happy with the job, but obviously They were.

They're not satisfied and they thought, listen, we'll give you a raise, we'll give you a few more years to try this, but like you're on thinner rice and Kyle's opinion is that I'm not on thinner rice. rice in fact I have done a very good job you told me that I did you told me that I did a good job you are willing to extend yourself but you need to increase it if you really want me to do this and I really want me to take my process to the next level then I cannot be interfered with for the guy standing in the way, the middleman between the board of directors and the hockey team, which is Brandon Shanahan and now Brennan Shanahan on Tuesday.

I doubt it. Very highly Brandon Shanahan made any kind of decision Monday night on his way home. I think the nail in the coffin here was that Kyle Dubus' agent presented them with the new compensation package because what happens if the board accepts that if the board accepts Kyle? Dubus' new management structure, and by the way, I'm not guessing this, this has been reported if the board accepts that Brennan Shanahan essentially has no role outside of the business and then a lot of people absolve him. of any responsibility in this firing and I thought that was a very strange way to think no, this problem this is Kyle Duba saying I want Brendan on the business side I want me on the hockey side that's what I want and the board would then look Brandon Shanahan eventually and Brendan aren't stupid Hall of Fame players the way they would win the Stanley Cup three times.

I think so, uh, and they're going to cut me on a hockey call, yeah, and they're going to look at it and Wow Brandon, why are we paying you so much when you're just running the business? We can get anyone to run the business. There are a lot of people with master's degrees and doctorates in business and they and they are not former hockey players, maybe they are running. better at running a business, the reason we hired you is because of your NHL experience, your championship experience and your NHL front office experience, you know, if you don't know this, at least we're looking for a president, Larry Tannenbaum, called Gary.

Bettman and said, who should I hire? and Gary Bettman said: Brandon Shanahan, this is how Shanahan is here today and now Shanahan is going to Batman as a new candidate. Yeah, so I think to support Jesse's point was the new compensation package that people are making. about money, of course, if you're going to be the president of the United States, president of the Toronto Maple Leafs, you're going to want more money with that title, but it's typical of a major corporation that they would love to give you. the title just doesn't have any money, I know I'm joking, they would love to be where they would love to keep them in the organization, but Shani isn't going to let someone take power away from her, so Shanny has to make a move there.

I have to go Hey, listen, if I take this to the board and they accept it, then I'll basically sign my own resignation eventually, if so, he has to do it, so he has to go. Actually, you know, he's the fan, it's the conversation. what he had with the press that's what I don't want now listen, you could be produbus or anti-dubis, you could say he needs different voices in the room with him, whatever it is, but what happened here was a corporate play. and dubus lost, he did, he did and I think I like it as much as I don't like the way mlsc and Brandon Shanahan have handled this dubis use some of this um I also think that statement uh before we continue, that statement was wrong moves Kyle Saban, yeah, um, I needed to do one and this is what I was saying, uh, because people kept saying, well, you know, we only have Shanahan's side of the story, we only have Shanahan's side of the story.

Chanhan and therefore mlsc, well the only reason it was that way. The only side of the story we had is that Dubus hadn't spoken yet and then he spoke and then he has the right to do so and I know he didn't want to air Air at all, but he just said "you." I know we'll keep it private and I was under the impression that these discussions were private now, it may not be in his best interest professionally to air all his dirty laundry like Bryn and Shanahan did, but now that Shanahan has given his side of the story. story and was airing dirty laundry and dubis issued a statement and basically gave us nothing um I'm forced to just believe what Shanahan told us No, I don't think you are, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah .

It's until people break news that says otherwise, like it's very convenient and I think it hurts Brennan Shanahan's words that she said all those things and aired all those dirty laundry without mentioning what Elliot Friedman reported about the power structure and wanting to go to the board because you gave us all those details and you're the one who made you look like the bad guy took away everything you said or at least weakened it, it certainly changes the power of the story, it changes the way I see it. But how many people are going to hear that report versus how many people have seen that president?

Yes, that's what you're asking him to be transparent about so his hand is out there, but he's playing the same corporate game that Kyle Dubis is playing as he did in that press conference to paint this picture in a very direct and you're asking him to be honest, you're like Brendan, stop being honest with us, I'm going to be honest, that's just why people seem to be taking sides here and that's why I say there's blame to go around, what? What if there is nowhere to go? because this is what I mean, both sides and I completely agree with CJ on this, both sides will regret this.

Where is the? Yeah, where's Kyle Dubis and me? This is no disrespect to the Penguins or I know the Flames are announcing their GM today wherever he ends up and he's going to get a job and be president and GM. No. I wonder where else he's going to have the financial resources over the nine years to build this team. Deliberately, little by little, finding great people, bringing them on board, making sure the different teams work together. Where is the dubbing going to go? and he will have the problems that every new general manager has, which is, you have to make a move and you have to improve this team immediately.

When he arrived in Toronto, the expectation was that the Leafs would be idiots and ask for things like that. three years and they actually ended up being better sooner than we thought uh and and and then those expectations are going to be completely different, you're going to Pittsburgh, you have to win now and whatever you're missing, you better get a skin graft. on the team right now because the core is there, he's dealing with the three cores in Pittsburgh if he leaves and I, the other thing is like that, so we have that, where is Kyle Dupas going to have that kind of lead time, that kind of highway to take off to really have confidence in all the team members that you have and know everyone and that kind of stuff, then you have Maple Leaf Sports, who has created this program and has been quite successful with the exception of the playoffs at all times. down The ECHL team has been good The AHL team has been good, they have developed players even though I don't know why people say they haven't developed players, they surely developed players, yes there has been a bit of a lull and then you have a hockey player they know one of their first round picks is cancer etc. but if they have players in the system coming in, Matthew Nice was one of them, yeah he's well drafted and I mean no one is going to want to hear this but a lot of Trevor Moore was a key piece in a key trade and that guy was a college free agent who played a fourth line role on the Miners.

Leafs calls them, in fact he is competent, so competent that the LA Kings want him and yes, he has become a key piece for the Kings, but no, there are no guarantees about that, yes, there were no guarantees about that and also, the Leafs desperately needed a goalie. and they got one that they used for two years, so where is Maple Leaf Sports going to find a general manager to be able to step in and make the type of moves that they need to make and let's go through that list real quick. Matthews, make a decision about what you're going to do in terms of what this team is going to look like, um nylander, too and here's the thing, now you're even more hampered by what CJ broke yesterday on CJ's Brandon Shanahan show. oh, can we play that, yeah, do you, do you want to play that, uh, Jess, this is really important because it's stalling any move that the new GM would hope to make with a team that, by the way, is taking on a job with a lot of people who are produbus, everyone who worked there, man, they were put there mm-hmm, what Chanhan gave him autonomy to do, yeah, and let him go because of a few bad days, so this is where I wonder and Jesse He's just pulling the clip here, I wonder. about how this benefits both parties and I've spent my weekend wondering if this isn't a good idea, maybe later this week they'll take the phone call and say, maybe we're really in this, but let's play this.

What's interesting to me is that Brennan Shanahan called each of the minor players last week to share the news about Kyle Dubis and that those players came away from those conversations believing that Brandon Shanahan's intention is to bring everyone back. the core4 now that that's not set in stone and obviously we don't know that the GM is maybe the new GM because a new GM has a different perspective on it, but I think it's interesting that, as much as we focus on the possibility of change , maybe even in the need for change, those players really believe that. that they are going to get back together at least for this moment.

I was a little surprised by that, I mean it, just because there had been a lot of talk and obviously even Kyle Dubis had opened the door in his last press conference on Monday. saying that everything would be on the table if he were managing the team. Well, well, Brennan Shannon is the main voice in the hockey department and you know, I don't know if he gave guarantees or promises. You know, we could get into semantics here, but certainly. I don't think those players are preparing to be traded right now, even though there is a lot of speculation, it just seems like they think the organization wants to move forward with them as a center back four, so that will be something to watch. now you're bringing in the general manager just to recap, you're bringing in a general manager who has to figure out theDubis people and who of them are on their side and willing to work with them too because remember that everything plays an important role. part of it is also they are loyal to the Leafs they are loyal to do this and you have like half a cap to work with and now you do and now you can't really trade the big guys because you know Shanny won't go to approve it, Dubis was finally willing to let back at least one of these guys, maybe two, and the day he said that was the day you said maybe he's not the general manager for us, so now we are as we meet.

Evidence the more we hear of CJ's Fried reporting, the less I believe in what Shanahan said, uh, what you knew, it was always going to be one-sided, right? You know, if you're going to listen to one side of the equation, it's one-sided. Yes, but Dubis was willing to leave the boys behind. Shanahan isn't willing to do that, so if the decision is already made for the new guy, I wonder what incentive there is for the new guy to join. I'm going to do that, that's a lot of money, I'm sure it's a lot of money, but what are they going to do if the decision is made for them and that's why it's such a short-sighted position and that's why I thought there might be some kind of resolution here, so you know, Dubis and his agent will bring you the package at some point.

I would have expected a conversation like Line in the Sand where you at least say that here is our line and we are not willing to do it. check it out and dubus can do the same thing and if dubis walks right if you draw your line in the sand and you walk right it doesn't sound like that conversation happened it just sounded like you know what I'm done with this and he was fired and it's extremely short-sighted because now it's left them in a situation where, like if Brad revives he's the leading candidate, it looks like the Calgary Flames won't let him work in the draft, by the way, sports interaction, bratcher, live is number one. at 220 to one, yeah, to me, a general manager that can't work the next five six weeks for the Toronto Maple Leafs is not an option, you can't hire that person, uh, because what are you talking about? we have the draft, we have several players to re-sign and potentially trade Marner's non-movement is activated on July 1, although he will not be traded, the decision was made for you, uh, Matthews, the trade is not activated, although you know that will not be changed, the decision was made for you, nylanders, the exchange is not activated, although it will not be changed, the decision was made for you.

I'm just wondering what the next GM's job will be if they can't work for the next month and a half and all the decisions. They've already been done well and you might be seeing why Kyle Duba introduced that last minute change. No, it seems like Kyle Dubis would be fine with the outcome of this situation if him staying depended on having autonomy and being in being. he moved above or at least on par with Brendan Shanahan and made the decisions for the organization because if he wanted that autonomy and he didn't get it, then he's perfectly fine with leaving the organization, yeah, so hey, I wish Kyle Dooba would leave.

It was left as if Kyle Davis didn't want to stay because he wouldn't have had the decision-making ability he wanted, so there was no place for him here, which leads me to be on Brendan's side if he didn't give up. that decision making, so there wasn't some sort of resolution here if that was the only thing on the table, both guys would have to say no to that. I think there was a level of immaturity on both sides, but where's the resolution if both guys want each other to do it? I have to give a little, you know, they're great, the best they were willing to agree to, they agreed, and the best negotiations are the ones where both sides walk away feeling a little bit like they left something on the table, I mean, but we got there. to a resolution I think you know that the best negotiations and the best compromises are: you're not completely happy but you got some of what you wanted.

Shanahan could have given some, yeah dubis could have given some dubis, he asked for some things and the Leafs could have said that. him, no, yes, they could have come back, yes, Brendan, you are dealing with a person like Brandon Shannon who is not willing to lose the negotiation at all, is not willing to give up anything, so I would like them to negotiate like that with their players, yes. that's the beginning and then with Shanahan that's how it all ended. I think it's unfortunate because I think you should be able to give and take in those situations and if power was everything, it's a start and stop with Brendan Shanahan and I'm not.

I don't agree with that at all, but that's their thinking in this situation, so there are sides being taken here. Brennan was right. Kyle was right or Kyle was wrong. Brennan was wrong and I think that's a bigger cloud. Toronto Maple Leafs conversation health the status of the Toronto Maple Leafs is much less healthy than last week they are in a really bad situation, yes, and they could come out of it okay, but the signs don't indicate that There is a way and no I think there are real sides to choose from since choosing sides is like a fun game but we don't know everything that happened so you can't really choose sides and besides these are two guys. that they're playing corporate politics that's what's happening and there's no right or wrong and there's no right or wrong side it's an unfortunate ending and that's how it played out we agree and I think I think you're getting it right, Jesse and I think the problem here is that neither side benefits from it and no one is better off today for it, so if you have two reasonable parties working toward a conclusion, you'll get there, you'll get there, but we didn't have that here and and and I think and I'm sorry to interrupt you there and I think this is where you know we're really going to see.

That's why Shanahan is now the leader of things. That's why he is the face of things. So when they're mad about the next GM's moves, you don't know who the GM really is, but it's and with Shanna's plan, when did she stop becoming the face of things because she let Dubis take more of the good stuff and of the bad? his boy his boy who he brought and I go back to what I said before this whole process started how does Brendan Shanahan have this bullet he shouldn't have this bullet this is this is your boy this is your boy all about it and maybe maybe the The reason he spends the bullet is because they are satisfied with the job he did, so I ask them again why he is not the GM of the Leafs today.

Well, I asked the guys over the weekend and this is going to sound crazy and probably not going to happen, but I think it's worth mentioning. someday it will make sense in retrospect. These guys this week should call each other, they should stop what they're doing and they should figure this out and that's not the case. It really is a proposal that has been put forward, but there is no way either side is better off without the other, so someone put down their ego, pick up the phone, and make it work. Believe that he will return.

I don't think either side will come back, but that's the way it is. best resolution here, you said you said Dubis is Shanahan's guy, but maybe Dubis became someone who isn't his guy because he's not a servant because that's what it sounds like, it sounds like Dubis isn't doing the job anymore. Shanna's plan and I wanted even more power in the situation and I don't believe it. All Shanahan described is that we are very happy with the dubis and all that happened was that I don't believe a lot of those words. I don't think you were all that excited about Dubus' performance over the last nine years and since last offseason he has made some big moves.

I don't believe it. I think you didn't agree with many of his decisions. He's not your man anymore, so. You have to get rid of him and bring in someone who is your guy again and you know it's funny, they brought in a young guy and I think the perception is that young guys know that they can push and boss a little bit and then he became someone who you can't boss around, now they want an experienced GM and quote bite and yes, bite, no, so the way I saw that graph going around, I don't think Friedman ever used the word bite, he did. he did it, yeah he's looking, he didn't say it, listen to it again, he said it because his sources told him they're looking for someone with bite, yeah it was hockey dink in a second internal intermission, thought segment 32, he said bite , so I just ignore that word, uh, it was a lot of fun, they want an experienced GM, right, that's what everyone has said and let it bite you and it's yes, and we'll get you the big piece of iron.

I think you know a GM with a bite. could or an experienced general manager could be the type of general manager that is willing to participate in your games with the president um and the owners um and maybe that's the type of person that they need. I highly doubt Brandon Shanahan will go at this point. I want to hire someone who I'm going to say to myself I think I had that in Caldubus I think I had that in Kyle Duba so sometimes and I'm not trying to insult anyone specifically um, but I think sometimes these GMS that are recycled and they go through the league Experienced GMS have a track record of success, well no, many of the candidates applying for this job don't have a track record of success, so what do they have a track record of?

I think it's a history of obedience. There was someone. in Minnesota, who you really loved, who was the General Manager, who, what's his name, who just did what the owner said and then I think he was in Philadelphia and did what the owner said the whole time. Someone approached me. I mean someone on the board someone on the board mentioned Chuck Fletcher's name and that to me indicates that someone on the board doesn't watch hockey why are you surprised that the people running the game don't watch the game? They're too busy, they're billionaires, they have other things to do if you're listening to this, shut up forever, never have an opinion on any hockey topic again, go away and shut up, get another job, grab a coffee for the The rest of the board thinks Chuck Fletcher is the best guy for this job.

Holy, are you Jim Benning? If you look at some of the names that are available, there are a lot of guys who before they were available read fired. We look at his work. which they did and we wonder if they are capable of doing their job or are they just the guy who says yes to ownership who ownership pushes around Chuck Fletcher uh let me get you the odds here and uh and uh I mean Brad, the real deal, left because he didn't have that reputation he had that reputation I don't think Calgary let him do anything he wanted to do he doesn't have any winning record no he never made it he never made it outside of the second round of their career, I mean, and really the only time they got to the second round with that Flames roster that was outrageously talented and so disappointing was last year against Edmonton like they were the first team and that's it.

One and done, team one and done, team if they made the playoffs so ignore it because some of these guys have a track record of success like AGM and they don't count as GM. Can you read some of the names correctly? So true, 11 in 220. I never made it Brandon Pritam is an AGM but you're saying no, uh, no, I, well, it's an internal hire, it's different when you see Shanny Shanny, for me, I think the people are being baffled by what he said, said he's looking for. He said an ideal candidate would have some general management experience, right, that's what he said.

I'm paraphrasing, that to me doesn't mean you were a GM, it means you've worked as a GM under his name, whether that assistant or a regular. I've been on a sales call, you've made a proposal, we need to get this guy, you've made a deal, so I think everyone's doing well. List of current GMS who are unemployed would be good. because this position is pretty small, yeah, do you really think the Leafs are going to leave? No, we are not going to look at anyone with a next to their GM. Cover names like Matthew Darsh in the conversation we don't have, you know?

If you're looking at the agms cast, people like that should be the guys you're interviewing and it's strange that we don't have the reports and the most reported names are these Old Guard GMs, why does his name come up? up Mark Hunter is nine to one in sports interaction Mark Hunter and I said this and a lot of the grumps came out he has no experience in professional hockey oh he was a player that won every time Mark Hunter oh Mark Andre oh yeah let me see I want see the last year because I know Mark Hunter was the head coach for one year of the St John's Maple Leafs and I think it was in the early 2000s that Mark Hunter was the ball for anyone to tell me this.

Hunter played. seven games in the 92-93 season for the Washington Capitals, which was his last year in the NHL and he played 28 games with the Baltimore Slap Jacks of the AHL, which was his last experience as a professional hockey player. He has one year of professional hockey. The St John's Maple Leafs coach lost in the second round in 96 97. Other than that, he has two years as Director of Player Personnelwith the Leafs, followed by two years as AGM, he is 60 years old and it is good that he is 60 years old. but generally speaking, if you're going to hire a guy with no experience, don't go with the oldest.

This guy has no professional hockey experience. Yes, he looks, he looks at the championships that he won with London. I wish he could express it properly. Express my The language doesn't work, it doesn't matter, it's OHL, it's not the same and then people say, yeah, well, what about dubis? Dubis was hired to be the assistant GM under Lou Lamarello, they developed the guy so he wouldn't just be thrown in the trash. Wolves They Dre, they got a hot guy, Prospect, brought him in, developed them and liked him so much that he was in the organization for nine years, four of which I think he was the general manager.

Mark Hunter could have stayed on board, by the way, but dubus. I got the job and he said: I don't want this. I'm going back to my comfortable place in London. I don't think his name is at the top of the list. He's not at the top of the list. Everything that is said there and Berger. go, come on guys, in the moment Stan, come on guys, Stan Bowman. I'm completely uninterested in this, it's just not even going to happen. He shouldn't be let back into the NHL to forget about being the GM of one of the biggest franchises on planet Earth.

Yes, are we doing Quenville? Do I have a moment? Yes, take it. I don't completely agree with Joel Quinnville potentially. uh the Leafs head coach um or even be reinstated um I know we posted odds yesterday that you know he was the favorite to be the new coach listen, he's the best hockey coach available yeah, maybe maybe um, I am desperate for my team to win yes I want him to be the head coach of my team at all, under no circumstances do I want him to be the coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs because at the end of the day it's about fandom and rooting for your team. and I can't cheer on my team if Joel Quenvel is the head coach.

This is the anniversary of the Chicago Blackhawks' Western Conference Finals victory over the San Jose Sharks, which I believe is the day that all Blackhawks Brain Trust, including Joel Quenvel. Kyle Beach told them about the accusations made against Brad Aldrich. I don't know if Kyle Beach was named in that conversation. Stan Bowman was part of that conversation and Joel Quenville was upset because those accusations could upset the team and prevent them from winning a championship, I think Joel Quenville is the only coach who would react that way and say those things, it's not a possibility, but He's the one who did it, but he's the one who did it.

I think Joel Quinnville regrets behaving that way and acting that way. and reacting that way, yes, I think he really regrets that, however, the next detail that I think a lot of people forget because we are so obsessed with that singular moment is that, after finding out about these accusations, he also gave Brad Aldridge brilliant writing uh endorsement endorsement first next job for your next job uh well and jobs going forward because I doubt he threw away the card um when is Joel quinnville uh Stanley Cup winner definitely going to the Hockey Hall of Fame the coach Joel quinnville gives you a letter of endorsement and Brad Aldrich used his Stanley Cup pedigree with the Chicago Blackhawks and endorsements like that to go to work at a high school and rape a minor, that happened, I think Joel quinnville looks, I think that people absolutely make mistakes, i think joel quinnville regrets it.

How deeply and sincerely I hope so and I bet I do want him on my team no, I think people deserve second chances and I think you know there was this idea that some in the media presented him as baggage, uh, and how I want I mean, Sheldon Keith had some baggage too, right, like he had a checkered past. um, I can't get over this and you know, if he gets reinstated to the NHL, it's not even your decision, it's not my decision, but as a Leafs Fan, do I want this guy to be the head coach of my team? hockey?

No, I don't like the precedent that would occur if he were reinstated fairly soon, like this summer or something, because it was October 2021 that he didn't do it, he wasn't fired, he wasn't removed from his position because of what happened. When Joel was allowed to quit after coaching his last game, they let him coach that game knowing everything was happening and he got it done. his last game and then he resigned and that was in October 2021 and it hasn't been two years yet and if the punishment for going through everything you just described is, you can resign on your own terms and then sit out two years. and then you come back, that's a terrible precedent to set within this league in this organization, how could anyone respect the institution if this is your punishment?

You can leave on your own terms and just relax for two years and then You just came back What and do you like it? What are you doing? I'm sure you're doing some thinking and regretting it, but really it's also about the public forgetting that yes, you took some time off so the media narrative would go away and then you could rejoin your group of guys in hockey and I think it's important that you read this specific quote because I talked about the endorsement so this is and this has been circulating recently this is from Frank Ceravelli uh from the report and I think he's talking about the general lockdown report.

Joel Quenvelt wrote an evaluation of Brad Aldridge on June 29, 2010, just a few weeks after receiving these accusations, after Aldrich had already resigned from the organization in an unsigned performance evaluation from June 2009. Quenville wrote Brad did a great job accommodating coaches preparing for meetings and their daily needs. I think in the future Brad can be more efficient by being in a separate work environment and not in the middle, constantly being bothered, in his last performance review on June 29, 2010. After Aldrich separated from the team, but not signed by quinnville and Aldrich uh quenville wrote, Aldrich did a great job for the coaching staff in preparing us for all of our meetings and coordinating various tasks that we carried out in his own way.

Brad has several people he trusts. him at the same time and has a way of deflecting and accommodating everyone at once congratulations on winning the Stanley Cup exclamation point When interviewed, Quenville stated that he did not remember whether he wrote Aldrich's June 29, 2010 evaluation or he did know if Aldrich uh had been separated at that time, but he did not question that he could have written the evaluation. He further stated that the review seemed like something he would write. Additional performance evaluations of the coaches dated June 29, 2010, which are also not signed by Quinnville, were written in a similar manner and contain the same language congratulating the employee on the Stanley Cup victory.

I think I think a team as image-conscious as the Toronto Maple Leafs, first of all, they haven't made any phone calls until today, so they didn't start until today, they have a head. coach, they have a head coach, so everyone who is worried about that it's important to mention that yes, but you know, it's an understandable question, like you know the new general manager wants to bring in his head coach. I totally understand, we all know how this. works, but I mean, uh, the fact is that the Toronto Maple Leafs are an image-conscious organization, there are a lot of organizations in sports that don't remember who the LA Kings defenseman is that got kicked out of the league.

Yes, there were teams that wanted him. I could tell you that the Toronto Maple Leafs weren't one of them specifically, not because they didn't need help from the right side defense because they did, but because they know their fans would have a problem with that and they all saw what happened with Boston and Mitchell Miller, right, everyone saw that if you think the answer would be less than that with Leafs Nation and hiring either of those two guys, you're crazy, they know the Leafs know, listen, they. Maybe they made a stupid decision with dubis or maybe they ended up making a smart decision, but they are very aware of how the public feels and how the people of this city feel about that kind of thing and I, I, would be absolutely stunned.

If they even made the phone call, I don't think the Leafs would be interested in that and I think they already know that and CJ said it in his article. Now, knowingly, they have plunged into chaos and now with the chaos they are. What are you going to do with the chaos? You try to put it back together and creating more chaos would make the safe option probably what they're going to go with. Safer and younger they will go. with someone who has experience and I think they want a little bit of history with a team that has won things, not necessarily Stanley Cups, but I don't think for a second that they are going to go backwards.

I think there are many means. speculation I think that's website speculation. I haven't heard anything that leads me personally to believe that they made a phone call to Gary Batman about either of those two people and I know that Gary and Stan are supposed to meet after the playoffs and Stan Bowman interviewed for the Calgary job right before of Conrad getting it, which means the Flames interviewed Sam Bowman, yeah, yeah, that's what it means, no, no, what's the reason I put it that way. I mean, of course, Sam Bowman. he wants that job, of course he does, but it's crazy that the Flames would consider him, yeah, he was on the roster and they talked to him about it and it's not that crazy considering how the Flames operate, no, but I'm on the commercial side.

It's not that far-fetched, it doesn't surprise Stan Bowman, and there's a reason I've talked more about Quinnville than Bowman. um, I want to read more about what happened to remember Stan Bowman's role in all of this, because what I remember is that the Blackhawks talked like that. Praising Stan Bowman on the way out, at the end I almost thought, why are they firing him? Yeah, oh, he helped so much with this and so much with that, and we bless him for his role in all our cups and what he's done for this one. organization at the end, I was like Jesus, just keep the guy, what was President John McDonough's name, yes we know for a fact that they hated each other a lot and John McDonough is the one who carries Yes among those three or four guys who were in those conversations , John McDonough is without a doubt the person who is most at fault because he was the one who told them no, don't go to the police, we will keep you internal.

I'll handle it, that's what he did, so, you know, I think it's important for people to know that John McDonough, who's no longer in the game, who's too old, I think he's retired, that's the guy who first everyone hated. him, everyone was afraid of him and in the organization and he is the person who finally made those decisions. I'm not going to let other people get away with it, but I do think it's important that we understand that structure and I think there are teams that just don't care about their public perception and I appreciate the fact that you're underneath, you know You've brought the Quinnville 100 stuff to light.

I understand that I don't think that was ever a consideration for the Toronto Maple Leafs. It's not a possibility that their brand already exists. Even if you have doubts, there's a big question mark. side of the Toronto Maple Leaf brand right now because, frankly, what are you going to do to get over it? I don't mind. that you are in the toughest division, I don't care that you beat the Panthers, look at Boston, you and the Carolina Hurricanes by metrics, all the metrics have surpassed the Florida Panthers and they should have won their series, they should be called metrics of Florida. and look the Florida Panthers are up 3-0 and by the way we'll get to that series and I apologize to all the fans of those teams um well this is our first show after a long weekend where Leaf's sweater was apoplectic , Yeah. and I, after two hours, so you know, we kind of talked about this, but I think Jonah Siegel pointed out to me in his article that this is Shady's quote about the GM situation, there's an urgency to do that , I do not do it.

I think we have to hurry it up. I really want to say that I'm not going to be hasty. I want to be very thoughtful and thorough, but I think it's a priority and needs to happen fairly soon and I think this backs up what Steve said about Brad Tree Living. I'm really surprised that a guy like Brad Living is involved in these types of discussions, not because he's not good, but because I didn't see a big hit like the one he chose. some good perspectives. He made some good trades. I think everyone likes Huberto's contract.

Maybe so, but I think there's a reason he dropped from 120 to 65 points and I think the flavors will be very different. because of the coach he wasn't allowed to fire, that's right, but I don't think there's anything to me that says Brad should be an NHL general manager for the Toronto Maple Leafs for a living, that's a promotion and I don't see how. I don't see how, oh I know how you're supposed to look at it right and besides, the Blades core is objectively better than the current Flames core, just skill for skill, so don't tell me he he would deserve a step Go ahead, that's why many people are like waiting for asecond here, let's all calm down.

Shanahan hasn't even made the first phone call yet and Chris said this perfectly on CJ's show yesterday, he was saying, listen to that. They might be the odds-on favorite right now, but you never know after that first round of phone calls how things go, maybe they'll say something in the meeting that pisses Brennan off, maybe one of them will say you have to trade one of the main four and Brandon. He says we won't do so well that he would take that person out of the lineup, so I think everyone tone down the speculation because we don't even know who they're calling.

We don't even know who's on the roster, we don't know who they're talking to, by the way, the sheet should never do another team a favor again, not at all, no, uh, because it's okay, as I understand it, the Tampa jerseys They used to be. it was black, silver, blue and white, right, a combination of that, the lightning had to get permission from the Leafs to be blue and white, as I understand it, yeah, and the Leafs were like, yeah, sure, which is so stupid that Leaf is getting beat up by the practice facility. things, the Leafs are being criticized for flying their own prospects overseas and now Brad True Living is being held hostage by the Calgary Flames if a team, if any of the other 31 teams calls the Toronto Maple Leafs to ask for anything to be thrown a fart.on the phone and hang it up, even the waiver wire pickups, yeah, oh, exactly, I would love the leaves to leave a little bit of your space like, uh, just leave a couple of places on the list and some with Your space to claim the waiver boys, oh you.

I have the right person in charge based on how this week went, if you want with you, then Brennan Shannon, you have to have confidence in the channel plan because like Adam, you talked about two reasonable people coming to a reasonable decision in negotiations, well , on the one hand. I don't know anything about Kyle Dubis because he hasn't spoken, but we know that one party is acting unreasonably, so you have the right person to accuse Steve. You should be very happy, maybe who knows, maybe it's the right person. for this league maybe dubis was too polite and too cordial and too willing to help people maybe it's a ruthless league full of foam and they need one of those.

I just don't get the impression that Bradshaw lives like that, but the man who's going to be dictating what Brad you're living can do may be, as evidenced this week, maybe he's the perfect match in the sense that Brandon Shanahan will still be in charge, but Brad will be like, oh, you know, it's even better, you know what? I still have more power than I had in college. Has your confidence in the future of the Maple Leafs dropped because of what happened this week? Yes, significantly, can I read something that summarizes how I felt from below?

Brown, sure, sure, who, by the way. another person who is in absolute heat again he is the entire orchestra playing as the Titanic sinks Just one last reminder that there is still beauty in the world the title of the article is for the first time in a decade it feels like the old left and said under Brandon Shanahan that the feeling of the old Leafs disappeared until today. Fans know the feeling. I mean, it's the feeling that this team doesn't know what they're doing, that they're an endless source of drama and not the nice guy that they're a sideshow that no one in charge has a firm hand on the wheel or any real plant the Maples Leafs wanted to take a season to decide their path forward after almost a year sorry after most of a year they made their decision and then changed their mind in four days based largely on a press conference.

I'm looking for a way for this story to reflect well on this team. I can't find it, instead it feels like the way the old Leafs would do things hastily Brandon Shanahan, by the way, was there for the old Leafs, well you could say it was the transition away from that and I have to give it credit for that, yeah, big shit for that, yeah, and I think the era that Downs goes down that Brown talks about is like the post-lockout era from 04 to 2012 when they didn't make the playoffs, yeah, yeah, those were really horrible years, yeah, so apparently not even rebuilding like, oh, just doing nothing, oh, we're second to last, oh, we gave away our first pick, um. free John 32 thoughts uh said uh one of the names that is circulating a lot right now is Mark Hunter, that doesn't mean he's a candidate, it means his agent or his PR person is name dropping him .

Yeah, by the way, it's not an option so you know how it works, it's not optional and he said, I think you're going to hear Mark Bergevin's name. I mean, Berger Van at least has been a hockey resume. He went to a cup final. Here's the thing with Berger Van. he wins, he absolutely ruins half of his trades, uh, but the other half was pretty good and I wouldn't want Mark Burgman to run this first event on paper, he's a very good candidate to take over the Toronto Maple Leafs, so , except for the fact that he sucks good, so before we get into that, it's worth mentioning because some people were alarmed by the fact that his name is not Lumpkin.

In the other group were two people active in the NHL headquarters who are supposedly, oh yeah, well. they were in the Blackhawks organization, uh, when what we just talked about with Kyle Beach happened, the Jets' day off was in the room and he was acquitted because he apparently had no power. I wonder why he got a Stanley Cup ring, um, and then there's Mark Bergervan, who was the director of player personnel, I think it was his title and where to believe he just didn't know anything about it, which I said in that moment and I will reiterate it.

I find it extraordinarily hard to believe that some people have the I am bothered by that other people are bothered by it because they just don't like some of the moves he made, the coaches he hired, the way he handled the players, I hated the Suban trade. , it ended up working out pretty well for them, no. It looks like that at first, you know, but I didn't like the coaches he hired, how he treated the players. I remember he was uh, uh, what's his name, uh um, uh, he ended up training the pens too, Tyrion and, like I think, PA, father.

The story is that he showed up at camp after having a really good year with the new Montrealtarian coach and said, "I don't like the way you play good hockey. I want to change everything about your game. Great, and “Tyrion was a Habs fan, you know this one.” of the worst coaches except Do Sharma, he has to be the worst coach they might have ever had, he has to be the worst, but I like that guy, not because he and guess who made both of those hires score, that's why I don't like him. like. He, I mean, about 18 months ago, resigned from the Habs.

He left them in a great place because of the way he is doing so well. They actually thank God for the guys they brought in because we're making big moves now and, uh, but he's been there since 2012. And it's funny because we've had this conversation before about, well, you judge a GM based on how left the team, left them like a fucking smoking ruin and like. Yes, they had some pieces to build on, but, for example, who is their goalkeeper? Not all the young prospects you think are going to hit will. Personally, I think the Habs will be pretty good all-in-all. order um so maybe that reflects well on him, but remember it took two years of being unwatchable.

Well, I also want to tell you this. He left them with two ship anchor contracts that would have stunted his development if not for his career-ending injuries. Shea Weber's signing Carrie Price's contract Where would the halves be today? I look at what Sergey Bobrovski is doing right now and I don't believe the Kerry Price thing, if freight pricing was healthy he could be doing exactly the same thing. okay, okay, he did it, he did it three years ago, right, he did it well, however, on the other hand, I think so, so the other guys whose names came up and this is from CJ's show was Doug Armstrong and I'm not sure. and neither does CJ, why is Doug Armstrong's name included here because he, um, he was the first to be a guest of the agent provocateur.

I'm going to post that great interview, it was amazing, uh, it's perfect with the press if you talk to St. Louis. Doug Armstrong fans say a lot of nothing, that's why they were so surprised when he was on AP and only spoke for an hour, but Doug Armstrong has the experience, it's a recent cup, I think that matters in 2019. uh, and he is doing. a really quick turnaround on the St Louis Blues Man, they will be a power again in a year or it could be next season. I'm a fan of what they're doing, but he's the general manager of the Saint Louis Blues and why.

St Louis three years? Why did Saint Louis give him permission to talk to the Leafs? It didn't make sense now, where I didn't understand where it came from and why people thought it could happen if he had three years left? his deal, I wonder if where there's smoke there's fire because Brian Burke was rumored to be the next GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs and remember the big deal about him being the GM of the Calgary Flames? No, he was the general manager of the Anaheim Ducks oh yeah, I'm ducks and he, this is uh, I'll take a sidebar for a little story that's in the book, um, this was when I almost got fired from my internship because there was a television on in the bullpen, the old Bullpen. where all the interns were cutting clips and the producers were making calls for their shows and Brian Burke was on TV and someone jokingly said to me oh look, Brian Burke just quit and I was like, "Oh my God, that's amazing" and I ran to the I study because I was going to get a coffee order anyway and I told them to watch TV.

Brian Burke is on and I think the guest they had lined up with Steve Eiserman, I'm pretty sure, and they were going to hang up on him so they could talk about Mark's views on Brian Burke's resignation, wow, and I told them that instead from going straight to get the coffee, I just happened to go back to the bullpen and say, um, oh, I just told him and everyone in the room tells you. I told who what are you talking about and I told him that Brian Burke quit and they came in here like they started calling everyone and I ran down the hall and I told them why they were playing with me because I knew I was a big main fan, but what really was the press conference was Brian Burke giving a press conference to say I'm not leaving the Ducks shortly after he left the Ducks yeah and then he joined the Leafs so yeah Doug Armstrong is under contract doesn't mean he'll always be right just saying listen it's happened before I don't think he's going to be GM of the Leafs No, but it's happened before yeah okay well this is all to say that real conversations are classified Started this weekend and right now they are ready, they are aligning schedules and talking to people and I also wonder with the current makeup of the organization how much of this is going to leak because a lot of it didn't leak before. but we know from spetsa that he resigned immediately uh I talked about resigning immediately when dubus left those guys are going to Ottawa um by the way I had some DMS this weekend uh people say it's one of the only issues or the only one topic Kyle Doobis follows Senators on Twitter now I think he cleaned it up you grew up a senses fanatic now all I'll say is I think shipping and dubis are a great combination from what I've heard they're going to I have to increase the salary from what the general manager and final senators make, oh yeah, I'm pretty sure he could be 32 years old.

Also here, your GM must be like the man, yeah hey I'm still here and I've put up with the two years of I had to put up with Pierre McGuire yeah we're on the rise yeah I just got out from under Pierre McGuire Fraser Snoop Dogg is going to buy us and Snoop Dogg is going to buy I have I want to work for Snoop Dogg um uh uh so yeah, this is what I want to say too and I said this on Friday and I think it's important uh Steve, how did you describe Leaf's Twitter this weekend?

What would be apoplectic and then there was another wild, wild one, I think. that you don't have to like the way this went because I certainly don't uh you don't have to take sides either uh because we don't know the full story you can root for Dubis and the Leafs. You could even root for Shannon if you're a leaf fan, you're rooting for Shady to make the right decisions. You don't have to like what he did, but you do have to support him in making the right decisions. You and I support that and as my therapist likes to tell me, just because your brain goes to the worst case scenario doesn't mean the worst case scenario is about to happen, no, and as Lee fans you can't be blamed. for feeling you like a saint here we are again you can't be blamed for that no one no one from the leafsa organization no one from another fan group not even other main fans can blame you because they really blame you if they are honest for saying oh but you have toallow this process to happen you can react however you want react this could end up being good it could be good for Kyle it could be good for Brennan and it could be good for you now everyone else who is going crazy over Austin Matthews and signing the guys from the extension too soon.

I don't even think they can sign them until July 1st anyway. Me, yeah, and that alleged text message, well, you might not want to sign if it came from your agent Judd Moldov. the source about that and I don't know if it was um, of course, his agent is going to say well, he's not sure if he's going to sign because the signing will come when the dollar amount meets expectations as well. How old is he going to be? Yes, I'm sure he will sign the lease. Just make him an offer. Write the number you want.

Another Wasserman agent uh recently said that yeah, we're not sure it costs the guy his job, but the other one. he was an Austin man. I, yeah, I think there was some confusion because people are talking as if Elliot Friedman doesn't know that Matthews can't sign a contract before July 1. I think he knows, guys, but we all know how this works. manipulation in quotes even though he is your own guy I think a framework was supposed to be implemented by July 1st and now it looks like there won't be one unless there is a number yeah come on and I also want to say this in the leasing organization Kyle Dube has tried to pull off a power move that is pretty clear Kyle Dubus hasn't won anything, whether it's his fault or the player's fault or the analysis or the punch to the face or the referee fails whatever you want, like You want to blame this.

Kyle dubis hasn't won anything, so Kyle dubis tried, but ultimately discovered that he didn't have the kind of leverage you need to change the organizational structure. Austin Matthews, on the other hand, has a lot more leverage because he knows, like you, that he's probably the best jumper ever. He'll sign when the number is right, so whatever you hear, otherwise he wants the team wins and wants to have a shot at the cup and wants the number to be right, so you just said this could all work. work I'm going to come back to a question to ask what your confidence is in everything going well, it's low because I'm a leaf fan, but if things have been going pretty well with Brendan Shanahan, wouldn't you say things have really improved ?

Better with Brandon Shanahan, wouldn't you say? I think the argument that Kyle Lewis hasn't won anything applies to the guy above him and they've also created one of the hardest teams to evaluate in all of sports, how do you evaluate? a team that is Elite every regular season and in the second they start the playoffs not in the second a game that matters happens from one to five and sometimes even six they are great Tampa that Tampa series reaches seven you think they win probably no probably not also would have been home again oh no oh no oh no like they're the hardest team to evaluate uh like yeah, they're going to take a step like next season when they take a step back in the regular season.

It's going to be like yeah it doesn't matter apparently the recipe for success is making the playoffs because Pittsburgh is a random Blackhawks game oh man Pittsburgh they are the biggest loser in all of this the Panthers shouldn't even be in the playoffs. and now here they are, stop, but I guess we'll save that, no, no, we can continue, let's do it right now, if you want, don't you want to talk to David Bastille, oh yeah, we have to talk to Dave, okay, 90 minutes later . RR head coach odds, our GM odds. I'm glad I mentioned them earlier, let's talk to Dave and then let's talk about how Alex Lyon was starting the playoffs for the Florida Panthers.

We can bet that with the store and make a responsible play. We get this a little early in the show, but I want to revisit it because the Leafs head coach and general manager are available for a nice little prop bet on sports interaction. the app and on the website and Dave, the list is - you guys put together a big list, Dave, I was going to say and it's still growing on it, you know, I think it's all the coaches available past and present since the beginning of the 1990s and exclusively here. Now I'll tell you this, we've added another member to this list Steve dangle 201 0, come do a session 201, that's it, yeah, that's it, yeah.

Dave Adam and I are also sitting here as great candidates. I heard you. At least it should be. added to the conversation with GM, don't you feel? Let's go now, so Steve is in the head. I feel like making a donation to the sports center now. This whole thing is we don't even know if Sheldon Keith is going to be fired, so this. is the coach that goes right after Sheldon keeps winning for us now, where it's on, okay, so the thought process is and you guys have talked about this, the new GM comes in, the new GM wants period, period, period, their coach, exactly, they know it.

It makes sense and I'm fine, it's speculation, but yes, it's exactly that, there is a situation where Sheldon Keith could very well be coaching this team in October, what will the 10th be? But there will likely be a new head coach, so tell us who it's going to be, and as you guys mentioned, that list is exhaustive to say the least. I was, I was laughing with someone about the list, we were talking about some of the unrealistic things on it and I'm Well, is it more unrealistic that the Leafs hire 87-year-old Don Cherry and then I looked him up and he's actually 89 ?

I know I'm not, I'm not going to put two dollars, Steve, on that, uh, uh, other thing. no, no, no, we have yours, who will be the next general manager and the first three are the three that we mentioned on the show, last week, Brandon, Pritamin, Eric Tolsky, uh, the funny thing is that you fired guys like Mike Keane and Eric Lindross and Doug Gilmore just because you never know, right, you never know, he could be a former player, apparently he has a lot of phone calls nowadays, uh, I, uh, I don't know, real living seems to be something for sure so I might take the cowards bet there too this is what I don't understand and I know we talked about this before but this guy is just the candidate because just because he's there because he's a warm body that has experience in GM, yes, correct. would do and I am also hearing that Tannenbaum's tree that lives friendship is very powerful.

I'm just saying, oh, I would make Jim live for real, obviously, yeah, so he does, okay, I was going to say all of us and suddenly Scotiabank place. It's called Boston Pizza Experience 30-1, although she's already the special assistant for the AGM, so I mean you could do worse. Yes, she is already in the organization. Yeah, anyway, check it out right now. SportsInteraction.com. STP and Dave, thanks so much for joining us as always, thanks everyone, if you want a perfect beard and an obnoxiously large cabin that is independently owned by Muskoka Brewery, tread carefully might be for you, it's the new 568 milliliter can of high that offers more liquid at a great price so they can sit on the couch and watch the Eastern and Western Conference Finals I would say Steven on the couch Stephen on the couch uh chicken wings French fries Juicy burgers that's what they say to combine these things obviously over the long weekend uh Maddie tried it Maddie, how was it, yeah?

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It is a beautiful patio. You should go see it, Steve, or you already did it right. I did it and enough reading. Listen, do you ever try a light beer? and it just tastes like yellow water, this is not it, so who tastes like happiness and greatness, there you go, check it out at your local beer store. I'll give you a step, some stat lines, you're ready, three games played, one win, two losses. saves nine goals against a 3.26 goals average and a safe percentage of 902. Who am I talking about? I think it's Alex Lyon. I remember at one point the Florida Panthers were down and had to trade their starting goalie because of his much maligned and questionable $10 million endorsement.

Dude, and he's the backup because Spencer Knight is out. Yes, Sergey Bobrovsky, I think he entered the playoffs as the third-best goalie in the Panthers organization. He was 24 and 20 in the regular season. He had a safe percentage of 901 and a goal average of 301 in the playoffs he has as many losses as Alex Lyon. The Panthers' second most recent loss was to Boston in the fourth game of the first round. Now here's the good news for Hurricanes fans. The Panthers are unbeatable, except they lost both of the fourth games they lost to. Boston and Toronto, so this goes to at least five, it's ten and two in the playoffs.

He's made 465 saves, 215 goals against average, a safe percentage of 935. His regular season goals against average says that percentage is 901. His regular season goals against average is 307. And he was. 24, 20 and 50 games for the Florida Panthers this year 901 this year is like a burst average on the low side of burst average this guy is going to win the Smythe scam he can easily win the Smythe scam and even if Florida loses this could be like the John Sebastian Jaguerre situation, although if you're bored, look at what Gager did in that race in 2003 where they lost the cup but he won the Smythe scam, they swept Minnesota and almost knocked them out of the entire series .

The first goal they scored was in the fourth game. He was crazy. I'm not making this up. That's crazy. He finished 15-6, one game, one win away from the cup, with a 162 goals against average and a 9.45. Salvage percentage. Five shutouts. 9 45. with five shades, that's stupid, absolutely stupid, it might be what's probably the best. I mean, is there a best goaltending performance of all time? It's been amazing and there are a lot of people, including Lee fans, who are like, "Hey, wait a second." He got the goalie to be a foreigner, so you know, the funny thing is, I don't know what changes the Bruins are going to make, but it seems like they're in for some kind of restructuring, right, the Leafs just fired their general manager, it's almost I'm sure the hurricanes will. losing their AGM Eric Tolski and as a friend of mine likes to say, the AGMs do all the work, so maybe it's even worse than losing their GM, the Panthers aren't just tearing up their shops on the way to the Cup Final Stanley, who haven't won yet.

I still have to win that fourth game, but the wrecking shop on the way to the Stanley Cup Final and they're ruining every franchise they play along the way, they're making everyone question themselves. It all reminds me of the 2011 Bruins. I said the Panthers were going to Truck the Hurricanes and I said six I said six just because I felt stupid betting big against the Hurricanes, well how could you? There's a great team, this Panthers team is crazy and you know, the funny thing is that Carolina took five penalties throughout the entire game. Last night's game, uh, Panthers took two and then the third one happened two minutes after the game expired, that's why you call it, it's not a thing, uh and uh, they didn't call the gosses. for that Steve, where's your rant? where are your Edmonton Oilers? there were jobs for the Carolina Hurricanes rant how many times can you do that rant? there was a clear penalty at the end of regulation and it wasn't called because that's how the game works these days and it's a shame this is the National Hockey League and people are trying to get me, where were you when TJ Brody hit Brandon Hagel at the end?

I think it was game six, I said at the time and I'm saying now they got away with it, they should have called it the Tampa Bay Lightning, they should have started game six overtime with a power play the same way the Blades They should have started at the time of the fifth game against the Panthers with a power play, they are just letting everything go and what I said last night and I can't believe the pushback I got is that the things that happen on the ice should matter, no, They don't like it, what do you mean they don't like it? they don't need it or are you saying they know they currently don't yeah and everyone knows that things that happen on the ice don't matter and so far the number one argument against that seems to be so I think it might be here um and listen, don't just talk to Leaf fans, there are a lot of people I talk to who are in the sport who hate the Leafs and who are shocked at how little anyone likes the product among themselves.

The dumbest thing I've ever seen is that if the Panthers get toCup final, it will be the fourth year in a row that a Florida team is in the Cup final and the big hockey markets must hate that I don't do it. I don't care about your hockey team. I'm upset that my hockey team isn't in the Stanley Cup Final, but I'm not like, oh, I hope the team from Raleigh gets in. What I don't give to a guy who doesn't. once the Leafs are eliminated whoever can win I'm just there to entertain yeah yeah it's the same thing rooting for a Canadian team like that so no I'm not suddenly rooting for the Canucks because they.

We're in the playoffs and the Leafs are out, that doesn't make sense if I had a criticism of the Florida Panthers, uh, because you know the calls go one way or another, the Panthers have nothing to do with it, they're the officials and the league. not making calls with the Panthers getting the calls it's like the Panthers are better at this than you oh yeah like all of these you can't you can't complain about the Panthers getting away with it because it's them. I've just been the better team in every situation and it's been great to watch, whether they know how to play the system better or they're just more physical in the playoffs, which you can get away with, they're just better, the only criticism.

I have uh and it's not a real criticism, I just wish it was different. Are there two dominant hackers? You know, watch hockey and whoever wins, wins. I mean, geez, you guys are rushing it a little bit, don't you think or not? they're just destroying the competition um same thing with Las Vegas they're actually up two nothing or three two nothing okay yeah tonight could be if Aiden Hill keeps playing like Sergey Bobrovsky it's serious it could be fast well like that yes. The only thing I would say is, damn, I like it when it's a little close, so right now I won two games in overtime, but in the NBA right now the Lakers just got swept by the Denver Nuggets for nothing, the Miami Heat it's up.

Boston Bruins three nothing Celtics that's amazing the Boston Celtics three nothing in the NHL the Florida Panthers are currently up three nothing in their series and then the other side Vegas is up two nothing they are horrible semi-finals in the playoffs right now and TV just It's been a waste, yeah, and their teams are doing great, at least from a Canadian perspective, like no one was interested in this Final Four, so the revenue was already going to be low and it's going by fast, yeah, like Vegas and Florida will devastate. their series are going to start the Cup final as soon as possible.

They have a specific date as soon as possible. to start so it will be on that date I don't know what I don't have offhand, right, CJ said it on his show and I can't remember yes, yes, there is a date that is like the first day of the Stanley Cups and it starts on that day, so there will be a little free time in between, but Carolina played well this entire series they have been in, there are so many overtime games like that that can bounce back, but Florida always find a way to get it out and they just had that little Edge like it ain't that, wait man.

I don't like the comparisons to Belief and Carolina in terms of how they played in Florida because Carolina didn't have that third game. that the Leafs didn't have no, it's not that we're not, it's not the same, it's apples and oranges here in terms of their competitiveness against Florida and so that we don't all be high and mighty and suddenly give them the Stanley Cup because Las Vegas and Dallas are in the west and they look great um Sergey Bobrovsky uh Mr. van Breeze van beers Brook comparison is completely fair because how did he make that off-run play with van bees' hand Brook oh, is he the one? goalkeeper John John Van fiesbrook van? bees Brook led the Florida Panthers to the Stanley Cup Finals 96 96 immaculate season had a 932 over the course of those games wow an unreal run with this weird little mask ended with a four game sweep at the hands of Colorado for sure I did it and a lot of rats.

I feel like the toy rats they throw on the ice are smaller than they used to be. They used to be these big 30 pound bastards and the goalies would like to hide in their nets to avoid getting hit by them and Patrick. It was a great tough guy moment because it's so weird. Um, it was just standing in his net and letting the rats throw him. What I want to know is if there is a Florida Panthers fan out there for him with one or more people claiming to be the person who dumped the rat. that hit Wah in the head that's what I want to know yeah someone out there is like I did that yeah that was my rat that hit him if you don't know what I'm talking about look him up look up Patrick War rats that should be the only thing you have to say.

I'm curious to know if this race will be for the 2012 Kings or if it will be the 2020 Montreal Canadiens. I want to play this clip for you, uh Rod bryndamore after uh the loss, uh, because I love Rod Brendamore's honesty, almost He seemed happy, well I think he at least has to be happy with the way the teams played. it's like I did my job and if you're Rod bryndamore, you did your job, you should probably feel like you listened, that's been good, it's been three games, I mean, we can't do much more, I mean, we like it. how we're playing clearly um, it's just that we have to find a way to put one up and then, you know, I mean defensively, we're not giving up anything, you know, really, in three games you would have told me you got one of the most high.

I know the powerful offenses you're playing and you're giving them 20 shots a night. I mean, you'd be very happy with that. It's just strange. Damn, we're creating options. I think we had them. I don't know. I felt like we hit. a couple posts tonight me two or three and we're justified, it's there for us, we just have to find a way to put it, I think we had a power play, maybe tonight one or two, that's something like that. It's weird in the game that we're dominating like that, but we didn't do anything with it, you know, that was bad and then they had a couple of power plays in a row, we did a decent job there and then obviously that's the There's a difference in the game, I think it went off the charts and it's going to hold up as well, that's the way things are going for us in the series, it's like you know we have to find a way to break through and give ourselves a chance. maybe go back to this, but you know it's difficult, like you said, because we know we played very well, here's the difference.

I think there is reason to believe that if you repeat those three games, Carolina could also be three up - nothing for sure, of course. it could be two one one two whatever if you replayed the first three games of the Leafs Panthers series. I think at best it's two cats. I think Carolina has a lot to be happy about with her game, like she said, everything you can do. it's the coach and then the players just watch the puck balance and they've done a great job in the series and then they just haven't moved on and that's a credit to the Florida Panthers and their relentlessness and their incredible goaltending. are they getting from Babroski yeah am I misinterpreting the speech or are there some people who think the prolific nature of the Panthers in these playoffs is all their goaltending so it doesn't count, no, no, I don't think there are people, well no, No? ah, Carolina is going to take the lead and the leaves are getting gold.

There are people trying to make excuses for the Leafs based on how dominant Florida has been in North Carolina. Teams have goalkeepers, yes, and I also think we have a good view of this this season. the amount of goalies the Leafs had to use in their different styles and, you know, goalies make your team look good, they make coaches look good, but I think defenses that match your goalie, I mean , defenses can really set up their goalies for success and you know Bob is extremely good. Does Bob go above and beyond in terms of helping his team win?

Yes, but how many miracles is he accomplishing? I guess that's what I'm asking right. It is not the only reason for his success. is all I'm saying and I think when people just say "ah goalies" and raise their arms, I think it's very strange that goalies are allowed to shoot and that doesn't mean their information doesn't count, but it doesn't mean directly either. the Florida Panthers. I promise you that if the Panthers win the cup they will share more than one ring on the other side. I heard Friedman Elliott mention Sean Burke in Las Vegas and the jobs he's doing, oh, there's a great situation, there's a terrible situation with a great goaltending coach who is capable, along with Bruce Cassidy, in the system they have to get the most out of your goalies and you had that during the regular season.

Laura brasois Aiden Hill uh, Patera Thompson and all the goalies that were starters all year for the Vegas Golden Knights, all over a safe percentage of 900 because of the great system they run in their defense, and Sean Brooke, who is their goalkeeping coach, who does a great job, and Aidan Hills. I have just replaced Brisbane, hasn't it been possible to say that Mr Beaton has been better and they both replaced Logan Thompson? Yeah, I thought Logan taught like this team without Logan Thompson was cooked a few months ago. I still don't believe that now. I think the point is that goalkeepers are part of your team and you can develop and have a great system that can support your goalkeeper and also have a good goalkeeper and you can win that way and that is allowed, other players are allowed. to improve his game, yeah, you can also act by chance, like let's be honest, uh, sometimes you have a goalie that warms up and feels great and feels great, it's and not by chance, I guess, I guess that's incorrect. word, but we've seen this before in the playoffs we mentioned Jaguar, we mentioned the Kings we were referring to and by the way, the Kings proved it wasn't a fluke and they won it again a couple of years later, the Ducks couldn't write down as yes, yes. it was just jaguer locking the door until someone found it and you know how much overtime you need tonight guys three okay keith carney get the boards up to leclair don't take this away from steve thomas yeah don't mind remove this the Panthers, I think these are these stories, these are the ones that we, this is why the playoffs are special because something completely unexpected happens every damn year, every year, this is exciting, you should enjoy it and I think Vegas, by the way, Vegas being up 2- 0 shouldn't go unnoticed either, man like that, that team is the man Jesse, you made it so much in the early rounds as if they were halfway through everything and yet they are great as a whole, it makes them great, being decent in all aspects.

One aspect of the game has made them wonderful in the playoffs and that's how you should win, but with Carolina, when we sat here and we were at least three down on the Florida Panthers, we didn't write the obituaries. for uh beliefs until they officially lost that fourth game in game number five, so let's not rule out the Miracles 100 in either one, whether it's for the Stars as stars, it wouldn't even be a miracle, they're down 2-0 and Carolina . You could always pull off a Boston Red Sox and come back from a 3-0 deficit, who knows.

I want to say one more thing about his care and this is the era of Puck so dead, so the Anaheim Mighty Ducks because that's what they called them at the time he played 21 games who was his leading scorer and how many points did he have laughs robney oh he was drafted that year ah, well, sorry, I'll give you the score, it was Adam Oates, but in 21 games, how many points did he have? year is this three oh my god you went back a lot that was when Smith won the scam despite not winning the cup 15. what 13 13. oh my god they are the top scorer they had seven of three assists someone else had six nobody the rest they had five wow how I think that's a lot of credit to their head coach Mike Babcock um what he's doing.

Mitch Marner had 12 points against the lightning, yeah yeah man Babcock was in the odds for the coach, no no they didn't even do it. for fun like a 201 or something that was stupid. By the way, I should mention that while the show is going on, the Flames have officially hired Craig Conroy to be their general manager. Brad Pascal is promoted to vice president of hockey operations and Lee fans know him well. Dave Nonas will be senior vice president of hockey operations and assistant general manager. Wow, yeah, I mean people can grow and learn. Yeah, he's been out of this for a while.

I mean, he was with Anaheim for a while. behind the scenes like Agming and yeah, I'm not going to read too much into that, I mean, uh, Flames fans are excited about Craig Conroy, so I would focus on that and you know, Dave Nonas, I'm sure he's capable To be a Good Assistant GM, I mean, he could be another one of those guys who were good at the AGM job but bad at the GM job. Do you want to tell your favorite story, like telling every two years on the podcast about the potatoes they have? You met us in Las Vegas, was Dave a warning versus a potato?

What's that? It's not what the blog was where they had a potato so they set up the Canucks Army writers set up a bot called shamsheron which I always thought was set up. created by cam Sharon, but it was only ontribute to his friend and they basically took a look at the Canucks during what's known as the tenure, I think, and did who would make better Dave Nonis or a potato in terms of drafting, so a potato can't sign guys. or whatever she can't trade, can't sign free agents and the potato automatically selects the top scoring Junior player with the next pick, can't come off the board, they removed the article, no, the original art.

I went to click on it because you still can. click the link and it's below dammit so basically there were a few picks that Dave knew but for the most part the potato that just selected the highest scoring top Junior player that is available so that also eliminates to European free agents. Yeah, sorry, European recruits like college guys and he mopped the floor with Dave realizes the real record. Wow, like one of the guys they could have cast said Claude Giroux is bad, he was bad, he's tough, he sucks, we can't print that. Yes, they have one where they did it.

Shamsheron takes charge of all 30 draft boards. How did he do? to 404 for Pedro page not found art eh, you know what landing pages. I think we're confusing two articles because there was one where the Canucks not only Dave noted that it was the Canucks draft record versus a potato or versus no, no, it was. t versus a potato was the Canucks draft record versus fake Charon and then it was Dave known as GM versus a potato and it's just that you have to re-sign the guys on their qualifying offer or something, anyway it was Dave known as a lost wow for a potato, but people can change and they can learn and they can embrace new things.

This was the era of analytics when it was just coming and, uh, and you know the Leafs were against it and their fans were crying for them. be in favor and Shanny took over and then Dubus finally came in with Mark Hunter and then Lou Lamarello and the rest is history now. I mean quickly, just to say it was fun watching Bruce Boudreau in WWE last night, that was really. Great, that was great, still the coolest guy Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn and Brucey just living his best life, yeah, I love it, I love it for Brucie, he deserves it, you know, we'll end there because we have another show. tomorrow so we're back to good, we'll talk about others I guess, not now, we'll spend all the time talking about the Leafs, we have Vegas and Dallas tonight, we'll see why all the teams that won in this. the series hasn't lost, that's mind-blowing, all the teams that have won in the East and West finals haven't lost, um, we'll see if there are any record changes tonight.

Are we going to get a double sweep? Have we ever had one of those? it's good most good questions teacher I feel like sweeps really went out of style but like in the 90's oh they're swept all the time I loved a good sweep yeah yeah I care too you guys care the television ratings discourse seems like there are more oh these teams are bad for TV Rays this year. I think I don't care, I better watch the hockey anyway, it was bad hockey if there were three of us to watch. I don't know, the Florida Panthers fans showed up last night and they've been loud.

I gotta be honest, man, like the TV part. For the business it's a story because it's the business, but if you're a fan, why are you saying yes, of course? I think it's great, we know hockey can work in Florida because it works in Tampa as someone who is there. Don't expect the fans to be like oh man I hope Roger's income bounces back from this yeah it's weird that I don't expect you because if you care about TV ratings like oh this matchup is bad for the TV agent , so you are also understanding. These large corporations are doing a good thing.

I think a lot of the people who say it are working for these big corporations and hoping the big names get ahead, so maybe that's where it comes from. I think people also want the limit to go up yeah and A to that I would just say you have no control over that yeah that depends on G betting and he's not going to let it go up. I don't think it'll be a bummer this year, yeah, but it could go up to 10. right, uh, let's finish the day, let's finish the day, have some candy, yeah, it was candy, did you buy the Sour Patch Kids?

Yes, we have Sour Patch Kids and M M's, now we don't, where are the M M's? I have to put them in the bins and I see Blake.