FULL Democratic Debate: Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton Face Off In New Hampshire | MSNBC

Let's get started, join us in welcoming Secretary Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders first. I want to especially thank the New Hampshire union leader for helping make this

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possible and his readers who helped provide some of the questions and topics that By the way, tonight I'll address the rules: 90 seconds for answers, 30 seconds for follow-up and rebuttal , and with that, that's it, we will begin with 60 cent opening statements from each of the candidates and as agreed on let's move forward through the two campaigns that we are going to begin tonight with Senator Sanders now Rachel, thank you very much, millions of Americans are giving up on the political process and they are giving up on the political process because they understand that the economy is rigged, they are working longer hours for lower wages, they are worried about their children's future, and yet almost all of the new income and wealth is going to the top 1%, it's not what America is supposed to be, it's not the goodness that we grew up believing America was. and then sustaining that rigged economy is a corrupt campaign Financial system that undermines American democracy where billionaires Wall Street Corporate America can contribute unlimited sums of money to superpacs and candidates our job together is to end a rigged economy create an economy that works for everyone and absolutely override citizens united one person one vote that's what American democracy is all about thank you Senator Secretary Clinton well I'm happy to be here in New Hampshire for this

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as we move toward the primaries on Tuesday.

I believe that America has the opportunity once again to live by our values ​​in the 21st century, but I believe that America can only do that if Americans can succeed and there are many reasons why Americans today They feel left out and abandoned. Yes, of course, the economy has not been working for the majority of Americans. Yes, of course, we have special interests that are unfortunately doing too much to rig the game, but there are also the continued challenges of racism. sexism, discrimination against the LGBT community and the way we treat people as opposed to how we want them to. to be treated I think we can get back on the right track.

I want to imagine a country where people's salaries reflect their hard work, where we have healthcare for everyone, and where every child can reach their potential. I'm fighting for people who can't wait for those changes and I'm not making promises I can't keep. Well, let's begin, Secretary Clinton, last night you quoted the conquered monitor when he said of Senator Sanders that you quote, it is very difficult to see how any of his proposals could ever be workable, so please tell us why you think that if he is elected president with a platform that promises things like free public college and universal healthcare will not be able to achieve those things.

Let me start by saying that Senator Sanders and I share some very big progressive goals. I have been fighting for universal health care for many years and we are now on the path to achieving it. I don't want us to start over. I think it would be a big mistake to dive in once more. our country in a contentious debate about whether we should have and what kind of system we should have for health care. I want to build on the progress we've made to go from 90% coverage to 100% coverage and I don't want to break away the security that people finally have 18 million people now have health care pre-existing conditions are no longer an obstacle so we have a difference.

I also believe in affordable college, but I don't believe in free college because every expert I've talked to to say look, how are you going to control the cost? What I want to do is make sure that middle-class kids, not Donald Trump's kids, can afford college. I want the economy to work again. It's not just about what we oppose. As important as it is, I have a plan to create new jobs, manufacturing infrastructure, clean energy jobs that will make us the clean energy superpower of the 21st century. I also want to make sure small businesses can start and grow again and of course I believe in raising the minimum. salary and equal pay for work, but the numbers just don't add up to what Senator Sanders has been proposing, which is why every independent expert, every editorial board that has looked at both of us has come to the conclusion that It's just not possible, come on. down a path where we can actually tell people what we're going to do, a progressive is someone who makes progress, that's what I'm aiming to do, thank you, Secretary, Senator Sanders, so please explain how you've spent almost two decades in Congress and you haven't gotten any of these things happened why do you think that as president you will be able to achieve great new programs?

Well, I haven't run for president before, you know, let's look at some of the comments that Secretary Clinton made and, by the way, SEC, you know, sometimes there's a lot of drama here. I've known Secretary Clinton for 25 years and, to a large extent, the problem here is that every major country on Earth, whether it's the United Kingdom, France or Canada, has managed to provide healthcare to everyone. people as a right and they are spending significantly less per capita on healthcare than we are, so I don't buy into the belief that the United States of America can't do that.

I do not accept the belief that the United States of America and our government cannot stand up to the scams of the pharmaceutical industry that charges us by far the highest prices in the world for the number two prescription drugs in the economy. Nowadays, everyone understands that we need a well-educated workforce. It's 2016 when we talk about public education it can no longer be kindergarten through 12th grade. I think public colleges and universities should be free. Well, how do we pay for that? It is an expensive proposition. I believe we will substantially reduce student debt in this country, which is crushing millions.

In my opinion, we pay for this through attacks on Wall Street speculation. The middle class rescued Wall Street in its time of need. Now is the time for Wall Street to help the middle class. If I could continue with that, there is nothing. There is no agreement among us on universal healthcare coverage. The disagreement is where we start and where we end. Republicans want to repeal the Affordable Care Act. I want to improve it. I want to take advantage of it. Lower the cost. Get prescription medications. reduce the cost Senator Sanders wants us to start all over again this was a major achievement by President Obama our country is helping people right now I'm not going to wait and dive back into a contentious national debate that has very little chance of If we are successful, let's make the Affordable Care Act work for everyone.

This is a good discussion and let me say this as Secretary Clinton may know this. I'm on the health education labor committee. That committee wrote the Affordable Care Act. The idea that I would dismantle the health care system. in the United States as we wait to pass Medicare for All is simply not accurate, the Affordable Care Act has clearly, as Secretary Clinton pointed out, done a lot of good things, but what it has not done is address the fact that we have Today in Today there are 29 million people who do not have health insurance, and there are even more who are underinsured with large deductibles and copays, and prescription drug prices are through the roof, so I think that in the future I will not help by dismantling what we have here. write that bill, but as we move forward bringing together the American people, I think we should have health care for everyone, thank you both, Rachel, Secretary Clinton, Senator Sanders is campaigning against you, um now, at this point in the campaign. , basically arguing that you are not progressive enough to be the Democratic candidate, you have said that if you voted for the Iraq war, if you are in favor of the death penalty, if you wavered on things like the Keystone pipeline or the TPP , if you said single payer healthcare could never exist, then You are too far to the right of the Democratic party to be the party's standard bearer, given those political positions, why should liberal Democrats support you and not Senator Sanders ?

Because I'm a progressive who gets things done and the root of that word progressive is progress, but I've heard comments from Senator Sanders and it's really made me wonder who's left in the progressive wing of the Democratic party by his definition. President Obama is not progressive because he accepted donations from Wall Street. Vice President Biden is not progressive because he supported Keystone Senator Shaheen is not progressive because she supports the trade pact, even the late great Senator Paul Wellstone would not fit this definition because he voted for DOMA. You know we have differences and honestly, I think we should talk about what we want to do. for the country, but if we're going to get into labels, I don't think it would be particularly progressive to vote against the Brady bill five times.

I don't think it would be progressive to vote to give immunity to gun manufacturers and sellers. I don't think it would be progressive to vote against Ted Kennedy's immigration reform so that we can go back and forth like this, but the fact is that most people watching tonight want to know what we have done and what we will do, which is why I am presenting a specific topic. agenda that will make progress get us more jobs with increasing incomes get us to universal health care coverage get us to paid family leave before universal preschool and the other elements of what I believe will build a strong economy that will ensure that Americans continue to progress, That's what I'm offering and that's what I'll do as president, Senator Sanders, how do you establish a list of what it means to be progressive that is not realistic, no, not at all, this is the reality of economic life American today, the reality is that we have one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country on the planet because so many people have abandoned the political process;

The reality is that there have been trillions of dollars of wealth that have gone from the middle class over the last 30 years to the top on May 10th. 1% The reality is that we have a corrupt campaign finance system that separates the needs and wants of the American people from what Congress is doing, so what I think we need to do is launch a political revolution in the May millions of people who have given up on the political process stand up and fight back, demand the government represent us and not just a handful of campaign contributors. Now all the ideas I'm talking about are not radical ideas that would make the public colleges and universities that exist in the United States free. countries around the world used to exist in the United States, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and creating 13 million jobs by eliminating the tax loopholes that large corporations now enjoy by putting their money in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens;

That's not a radical idea. What we have to do is stand up to big money interests and campaign contributors; When we do, we can indeed transform America. Thank you, senator. I just want to follow up with a comment that Secretary Clinton said, Senator, you know, President. Obama has not called for the abolition of the death penalty. President Obama is in favor of the great Asian trade deal known as TPP, and yesterday you said that you can't be moderate or progressive at the same time, but you can't be both. Is President Obama in his Judgments based on these political positions are progressive, let me return to this point.

This whole discussion started because I commented that I hadn't made an overall evaluation of the secretary she was in Ohio, I think in September or November, and she stood up and said something like: I've been criticized because people think that I'm paraphrasing. I'm moderate, well, I'm moderate, that's where it came from. I wasn't paraphrasing her, it's what she said and everything I said, there's nothing wrong with being moderate, but you can't be moderate, you can't be progressive. President Obama's terms. I think if we remember where this country was seven years ago. 800,000 jobs were lost every month.

A deficit of 1.4 trillion dollars. The global financial system is on the brink of collapse. I think President Obama, Vice President Biden, and the Democratic leadership in the House and Senate have done a fantastic job. We are in much better shape today than we were 7 years ago, although my Republican colleagues seem to have forgotten where we were 7 years ago. It is a fact, but we still have a long way to go. I think President Obama is a progressive. Yes, I disagree with him on a number of issues, including the trade deal, but yes, I think he has done an excellent job.Could you know in the first debate?

I was asked if I'm a moderate or progressive and I said I'm a progressive who likes to get things done and picking a quote here or there doesn't change my record of having fought for racial justice having fought for children's rights having fought against the kind of inequalities that fueled my interest in service in the first place since my days and the children's defense fund, certainly didn't stop me from taking on the drug companies and the insurance companies before it was called Hillary care was called me before it was called Obamacare it was called Hillary care because we accepted them and we were not successful, but we kept fighting and we got the children's health insurance program and every step forward. the way I stood up and fought and I have scars to prove it once again.

I think that look is important. I understand that Senator Sanders is really trying to distinguish himself. I understand that that is what is done in campaigns, but at the same time let's not do it. to be in I think in an unfair way, uh, making an accusation or an attack on where I am and where I have always been and it is fair to say, senator, that in your definition as you being the self-proclaimed guardian of progressivism, I do not know anyone other than fit that definition, but I know many very fighting progressives in the Democratic Party who have risen up again and again against special interests, against the powerful on behalf of those left behind and excluded and that is what we should celebrate, let's talk about what we would do as president and commander in chief to ensure that progress continues in the future in Senator 30 seconds and then we will move forward.

We'll move on, that's right, I mean, instead of arguing about definitions, let's talk about what we should do and one of the things we should do is not just talk the talk but walk the walk. I'm very proud to be the only candidate here to do so. I don't have a super pack that isn't raising huge sums of money from Wall Street or special interests. I am enormously proud. I never believed it would happen that we would have raised three and five million individual contributions averaging $27 a piece, that's what political revolution means, thank you. You, Senator Sanders, as a Vermont resident, have almost the home state advantage here in New Hampshire, but back home across the border you also have a long history of running against Democrats as a candidate for a third-party candidate for governor, Senate, and Congress in In 1988, his candidacy as a third-party candidate likely cost Democrats a seat in Congress and sent a Republican instead.

How can he lead the Democratic Party nationally when he has not been a member of the Democratic Party until very recently? Well, Rachel, actually that was Not accurate in 1988, the Republican won. I think by three points. I came in second place, it was 3,431. I think 19 for the Democrat in that race, the Democrat was the saboteur, not me, and it's true, it's true, it can't be denied. I am the longest-serving independent in the history of the United States Congress. The people across the street sent me to Washington as an independent, that's true, but on the other hand, when I was in the House for 16 years, I joined the Democrats in the Senate for nine years with the Democrats, of course, and the Democrats I was elected to chair the veterans committee two or three years ago, which I'm very proud of, and now I'm the ranking member on the budget committee, leader of the opposition Democrats, the Republican majority.

I'm running for president as a Democrat, and if elected, not only do I hope to bring about a major shift in national priorities, but, let me be blunt, I want to see major changes in the Democratic party that I want. seeing workers and young people come into the party in a way that doesn't exist now and you know what I want a 50 state strategy so that the Democratic Party is not just the party of the 25 states Secretary Clinton Secretary Clinton, you know The person who first introduced the idea of ​​a 50-state party strategy is former Governor Howard Dean, who is with us tonight and I am very proud and grateful to have the support of so many elected Vermonters and former officials, three two former . governors, the current governor, the other current senator, uh, I really appreciate it and I think it's because they've worked with me, they've seen what I do, they know what kind of colleague I am, they want me as their partner in the White Party.

House and that's exactly what I'm going to do we're going to get things done together Democrats Republican Independents we're going to make progress together when I'm president Senator Sanders to this point Secretary Clinton is raising the issue of her home state endorsement Democrats um she's implying that's what she says something about the people who know them best. I don't see it that way. Uh, I am, I will absolutely admit that Secretary Clinton has the support of more governors, mayors, members of the House, she has the entire establishment or almost the entire establishment behind them, that's a fact, I don't, but I'm very proud that we have more than a million people who have contributed to our campaign with an average of 27 dollars each, that we have had meetings where 25 30,000 people have said that our campaign is a campaign of the People by the people and for the people , so Rachel, yes, Secretary Clinton represents the establishment.

I represent, I hope, ordinary Americans and, by the way, who are not so into Avid with the establishment. but I'm very proud to have people like Keith Ellison and R Grala in the House, the co-chair of the House Progressive Caucus, well, look, I have to chime in here because, honestly, Senator Sanders is the only person I think I would characterize I, uh, a woman who ran to be the first female president as an example of the system and I have to tell you it's really quite, it's really very fun for me, people support me because they know me, they know my life's work.

They have worked with me and many have also worked with Senator Sanders and at the end of the day they support me because they know I can get things done. I'm not going to make promises I can't keep. I'm not going to comply. talk about big ideas like Single Payer and then talk to people about how much it will cost. A respected health economist said these plans would cost $1 trillion more a year. I'm not going to tell people that I will raise their income and not their taxes and I don't mean it because I don't want to see the kind of struggle that the middle class is going through exemplified by these promises that would raise taxes and make it much harder for many Americans get ahead and stay ahead. that is not my agenda Senator Sanders 30 seconds to respond that what it means to be part of the establishment is to have in the last quarter a super package that raised 15 million dollars from Wall Street that throughout life raised a lot of money from pharmaceutical companies and other special interests in my opinion, if we don't get a handle on money in politics and the degree to which big money controls the political process in this country, no one is going to bring about the changes that are needed in this country. country for the middle class. and working families, yes, but I think it's fair to really ask what's behind that comment.

You know, Senator Sanders has said that he wants to run a positive campaign. I have tried to keep my disagreements on the issues as they should be, but again and again. by implication, by implication, there's this attack that he's launching that really comes down to, you know, anyone who has ever received donations or speaking fees from any interest group, has to be bought and I just absolutely reject that senator and I really don't. I think these types of insinuation attacks are worthy of you and it is enough if you have something to say, say it directly, but you will not find that I have ever changed an opinion or a vote because of any donation I have received and I have stood up and I have represented my constituents to the best of my ability and I am very proud of it, so I think it is time to put an end to the very clever smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out in recent weeks and let's talk. let's talk about the problems let's talk about the problems that divide us let's both agree with the campaign Financial reform I worked hard to find gold I want to reverse united citizens let's talk about problems let's talk about problems let's talk about problems okay, let's talk about why In the decade In 1990, Wall Street was deregulated.

Did it have anything to do with the fact that Wall Street spent billions of dollars on lobbying and campaign contributions? Well, some people might think that yes, that had some influence. Let's ask ourselves why we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs and your medications could double tomorrow and there is nothing the government can do to stop it. Do you think it has anything to do with the huge amounts of campaign contributions and lobbying for the fossil fuel industry? climate change do you think there is a reason why no republican has the courage to acknowledge that climate change is real and that we need to transform our energy system?

Do you think it has nothing to do with the Coke brothers and Exon Mobile? huge amounts of money in the political system, that's what happens in the United States. I don't like it, there's a reason, you know, there's a reason why these people are pouring huge amounts of money into our political system and, in my opinion, it's undermining American democracy and it's allowing Congress to represent the taxpayers. rich campaigners and not to the working families of this country. M crazy secretary, let's do it. I don't think you can find any person in political life today who has been the target of more attacks. and you had more money spent against you by special interests of which you've named some than I did and I'm proud of that, you know, when I took on the drug companies and the insurance companies for Universal Health Care coverage, I pursued with a Revenge, today you have hedge fund billionaires aligned with Carl Rove running ads against me to try to get Democrats to vote for you.

I know this game. I'm going to stop you, but while we're talking about votes, you're the one who voted to deregulate swaps and derivatives in 2000, which contributed to the overleverage of Leman Brothers, which was one of the culprits for the downfall of the economy, so I don't know, I don't know. I'm not imputing their motive because they voted to deregulate swaps and derivatives people make mistakes and I'm certainly not saying they did it to gain some kind of financial advantage. What we have to do as democrats. What we have to do as Democrats is stand together to really solve these problems. problems and what I believe is that I have a better record and a better opportunity to do that job, that's what this election should last about 30 seconds and then we'll move on.

I think, as Secretary Clinton knows, there is no one. who fought hard I was on the House Finance Committee at the time I heard the arguments from Democrats and Republicans Robert Rubin Allan Greenspan about how great it would be if we did away with deagle glass and if we allowed investor banks and commercial banks. and the big insurance companies will merge go to YouTube today look up Greenspan Sanders listen to what I told you then I helped lead the effort against deregulation unfortunately we lost the result was the worst financial disaster since the Great Depression thanks to both Senator Secretary Sanders Clinton, obviously, we've hit a Nerf, we'll be back with more on this topic and a lot more right after this, stay with us, okay, welcome back, let's get right to it, Senator Sanders, I was talking about your entire campaign. contributions and campaign finance reform, you criticize big money in politics, but do you realize that there is a public financing system that we do have and it is in place to run for president, why don't you go that route ?

Aren't you participating in the presidential public financing system that is essentially designed to keep large amounts of money out of presidential politics? We actually looked at it but it turns out to be a disaster because of the way it's structured right now, if you do it all. on the way to California, you could do pretty well, but in terms of the first few states, Iowa, New Hampshire, the other states it just doesn't work, but your point is well taken. I absolutely believe in public financing of elections, but I do not believe in this system. Whether the secretary would agree is now very outdated and no longer applies to modern politics.

Well then why criticize her for the super Pacs and you have all this when you know that's the system? I mean, you could participate in a publicly funded public financing system and be able to establish a public financing system that everyone knows is outdated, it doesn't work anymore, no one can become president based on that system, so,what is the alternative? There are two alternatives and you know, we looked at it well if we did a Super PAC, but I honestly concluded that I don't represent corporate America or billionaires, they didn't want it, so the other alternative was to ask for help from working families and the class. half. a transformative campaign and you know what we got 3 and 5 million individual contributions 27 dollars each.

I think that's pretty good, Secretary CL on the Wall Street topic on the Wall Street topic on the W Street topic when our reporters go out and we talk to people on the ground in the early states, what they tell us over and over again when you find voters leaning toward Senator Sanders instead of yourself is that the most frequent area of ​​concern you hear from those voters is the question of Wall Street and whether or not you are too close to Wall Street last night, when you were asked about speaking fees and the amount of speaking fees you received from Goldman Sachs speeches, you said that's what they offered, have you been too dismissive of voters' concerns? on this issue in your own campaign and your own career, well, you know, Rachel, I think I may not have done the job I should have in explaining my record, you know I did when I left the Secretary of State's office like so many former officials and military leaders. journalists, others, I went on the speaker circuit, I talked to heart doctors, I talked to the American Camp Association, I talked to car dealers and yes, I talked to Wall Street companies, they wanted me to talk about the world, what was my experience .

I have been Secretary of State, but what I want people to know is that I went to Wall Street before the crash. I was the one who said they were going to ruin the economy because of these mortgage shenanigans. I called to end the carried interest loophole that hedge fund managers enjoy. I proposed changes to CEO compensation. I called for a consumer protection Financial Bureau before it was created and I think the best evidence that the people on Wall Street at least know where I stand and where I've always been is because they're trying to beat me in these primaries.

They have raised and spent up to $6 million on these ads. The hedge fund billionaires, Carl Rove, another billionaire chimed in and why are they doing that? These are guys trying to make smart investments. They know my history. They know me. They know I say what I believe and I will do it. I also understand pretty well how to stop them, so I do it. I want people to know that and I think it's important for everyone to understand that I have a track record, I've stood my ground, and I'm going to be the person who stops them from ruining the economy again.

Senator Sanders, you have been a critic of Secretary Clinton, who spoke. fees and donations from Wall Street, what about your defense of your record? Let me tell you that Wall Street is perhaps the most powerful political and economic force in this country. You have companies like Goldman Sachs that recently paid a $5 billion fine to the federal government for defrauding investors. Goldman Sachs was one of those companies whose illegal activity helped destroy our economy and ruin the lives of millions of Americans, but this It is what a rigged economy and a corrupt campaign, a broken financial system and a broken criminal justice system are. about how these guys are so powerful that none of the Wall Street executives have been charged with anything after paying Goldman Sachs a $5 billion fine in this case a kid gets caught with marijuana that kid has a police record A former Wall Street executive destroys the economy $5 billion deal with the government without a criminal record that's what power is about that's what corruption is about and that's what has to change in the United States of America we're going to give one step towards this if I would just let me tell you that of course it has to change it has to change and that is why I have put forward a plan to do just that and it has been considered the most difficult, most effective and comprehensive.

I have great respect for Senator Sanders' commitment. I'm trying to refinish the steagle glass, but I don't think that's enough, and in fact, I don't think it really solves many of the biggest problems we have. We now have the power, under Dodd Frank legislation, to split up Banks and me. I have said that I will use that power if they pose a systemic risk, but I want to go further because it was the investment banks, the insurance companies, the mortgage companies, everyone who contributed, so let's not just focus on one part of the problem. We have many problems with corporate power that need to be addressed.

My plan takes us further and would work for Secretary Clinton. I would say people who have looked at this issue for a long time, whether it's Elizabeth Warren or many others. Economists would tell you that right now we do need 21st century legal legislation, and I would also tell you that when three of the four largest banks in the United States are larger today, they were significantly larger than when we bailed them out because they were too big. to break I think if Teddy Roosevelt were alive today, he would be a good Republican, by the way, what he would say is divide them, they're too powerful economically, they're too powerful politically, and that's what I and a lot of economists believe.

It's time to separate them look, we have a law look, you know, I appreciate the senator's defense, we have a law that was passed, it was signed by President Obama, it establishes a process that must be gone through to determine if there is a systemic risk. and the way President Obama signed it pushed him even though he accepted donations from Wall Street because he is a responsible president so we have a law in place if the circumstances warrant it I will certainly use it and from what you say , I know you will too. but that's not enough and I keep coming back to this because part of the reason why the Wall Street guys are trying so hard to stop me, the hedge fund guys and the shadow banking guys is because I have his number on all of that and my plan goes much further to try to prevent future problems.

You know, we can't just fight the last war. We have to be prepared to stop these guys if they ever try to use their economic power once again to harm humanity. economy and hurt so many Americans and my plan Paul Krugman Barney Frank many experts who understand what the new challenges could be have said that I am exactly right and the Wall Street guys really know that going for senator in response to the fact that she you've had more people praising your plan than yours well we have several economists supporting our legislation uh and this is where we are the American people can judge that the six largest financial institutions in the United States today have assets of approximately $10 trillion 58 equivalent at 58% of the GDP of the United States of America, that's a lot of money, they issue 2 thirds of the credit cards and by the way, they are scamming a lot of people with high interest rates on credit cards and they write about a third of the mortgages that's a lot of power for six financial institutions that's all I think it's too much power too much economic power too much political power and the economists I talk to say we should split them up thank you both let me move on to our next question here and actually It comes to us via New England Cable News Secretary Clinton, it's addressed to you and it's about this issue of speeches, particularly to Goldman Sachs, this is what the asker wrote verbatim.

I'm worried about the abuses of Wall Street. He's excited about American taxpayer money and then asked if he would release transcripts of his speeches at Goldman Sachs, then added: Don't you think the voting public has a right to know what was said, but let's make it bigger? I am willing to publish the transcripts of all his paid speeches. We know from reports that there were transcription services for all of those PID speeches in

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disclosure. Could you post them all? Will investige. I don't know the status, but I will certainly look into it, but I can only repeat that the fact that I spoke to many different groups with many different constituencies and many different types of members on issues that had to do with world affairs, I probably described more times I can remember how stressful it was to advise the president on going after Bin Laden, so my view on this is look at my record, look at what I'm proposing and no, we have a vigorous agreement here, both of us.

I want to denounce the excesses of Wall Street. I also want to denounce the excesses of companies like Johnson Controls that we rescued when they were an auto parts company and we saved the auto industry and now they want to avoid paying taxes. I want to go after pharmaceutical companies like Valiant and Turing that are raising prices, without taking into account the impact on people's health, so now I have a broader view if all we are going to talk about is one part of our economy and in fact one street in our economy we are missing big oil companies we are missing other big energy companies we are missing the big picture and I have a history of trying to address the problems that really exist and I will continue to do so Senator, it sounds like you want to respond.

I know. I agree with much of what the secretary said, but Madam Secretary, it is not just one street. Wall Street is an entity of incredible economic and political power. That's a fact and I want to. say something and it may sound harsh not to you but to the American people in this sense, in my opinion, the Wall Street business model is a fraud, it is a fraud. I think corruption is rampant and the fact that one major bank after another has reached multiple billion dollar deals with the US government when we have a weak regulatory system tells me that we didn't just have to bail them out once. , if we don't start dividing them, we are going to have to rescue them again and I don't want that to happen, nobody wants that to happen.

I mean, look, I care a lot about this because, like you, I've known a lot of people who had their life savings drained, who lost their homes, and who have barely come back with their heads above water. This was a disaster for our country and we can never let that happen again, we have no disagreement on this, but I think it's a broader list of goals than just Wall Street and I think we have to be very focused on how we try to do it. take back power and increase the empowerment of the American people and I think I have that kind of experience maybe because I've been beaten for so many years and I know exactly how to handle them because I've been in the Arena with them time and time again Senator Sanders, let me turn to I think where this direction is headed anyway, which is the broader issue of big business and power in our political system.

In the election campaign you have criticized renowned American corporations. such as Boeing, General Electric and Walmart, but some large companies in this country have also been part of advancing progressive goals such as the Nationwide initiative to expand employment opportunities for veterans, which had to do with cooperation between the Obama administration and some very large companies, Affordable Health Care. Some of that bill's thorniest problems were resolved in cooperation with big business to achieve progressive goals. Could you work with them or have you made enemies of big business in this country with the way you have approached them in this campaign?

Of course I could work with them, but let's be clear when I talked about Boeing and I talked about General Electric. What General Electric was referring to is that it is an outrage. I suspect the secretary agrees with me at this point. You have such a loophole that these guys are investing their profits in profitable multi-billion dollar corporations that invest billions of dollars in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and other tax havens, and in any given year Rachel, after making billions of dollars in profits , you already know how much they are paying in taxes to the United States. government in a given year zero now explain to me how that makes any sense, so what I have said regarding Boeing and GE and other multinationals that pay zero taxes you know what we are going to do, we are going to close that loophole they are going to pay your fair share of taxes we are going to use that money to rebuild our infrastructure and create up to 13 million jobs can I work with corporations?

Are there good corporations doing incredible cutting-edge research and development? We should be proud of them, but on the other hand there are many corporations that have turned their backs on the American worker and said if I can make another penny by going to China and closing in the United States of America, that'sSo I will do my best to transform our trade policy and take on these corporations that want to invest in low-income countries around the world instead of the United States of America. Senator Sanders, thank you and with that we'll take it. We'll be right back and discuss trade and many other topics.

Welcome again. Welcome back to the debate of the Democratic candidates. We're going to talk about the United States in the world, both in terms of some trade issues and also domestically. Security and Secretary Clinton, let's start with you. There are more than 4,000 US troops in Iraq right now as part of the fight against ISIS. It's been 15 straight years of war and multiple deployments for American military families to endure. With such a disproportionate burden, is President Obama right to continue increasing the number of American troops fighting ISIS right now? Well, I think what the president understands and what he is trying to do is that we have to support the Arab and Kurdish fighters on the ground. who are really fighting uh I agree with the president, I've said it myself, we will not send American combat troops back to either Syria or Iraq, that's off the table, but we have special forces, we have trainers, we have uh uh The military personnel that are helping with the airstrikes that the United States is leading so that we can try to eliminate Isis infrastructure, eliminate their leadership.

And I think, given the threat that Isis poses to the region and beyond, as we've unfortunately seen. In our own country, it is important to keep the Iraqi army on a path where they can actually reclaim territory to work with the Sunni tribes in Anbar province and elsewhere so that their fighters can also be deployed to work with the Kurds. to give them the support, uh, but they're fighting, we're doing, the support and enabling, and I also think we need to do more to stop foreign funding of foreign fighters and take on Isis online, in addition to doing everything necessary. to keep us safe at home, so when I look at what the president is doing, it seems to me that we have to continue to try to get more support for those people on the ground in Syria and Iraq who have to physically take The territory becomes clear again for the specific question: If that strategic objective that you're describing requires considerably more Americans, an increasing number of Americans in Iraq and perhaps Syria, are you okay with the numbers going up?

No, I mean, of course, that's a uh. a theoretical question and we don't know what it would be, because we don't know how many numbers there are. I am against American combat troops being in Syria and Iraq. Support to Special Forces. Support for coaches. I support the air campaign and believe we are making some progress. I want to continue to escalate it and that's exactly what the president is doing. Thank you Madam Secretary. Go ahead, Second Senator, let me agree with much of what the Secretary said, but we have different backgrounds on this issue. Do we disagree with the war in Iraq? that created barbaric organizations like Isis.

I didn't just vote against that war. I helped lead the opposition and if you go to my website Bernie

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.com you will see the statement I made in 2002 and I am not happy to tell it. you that much of what you feared would happen the day after Saddam Hussein was overthrown, in fact happened, okay Senator, I want to see, we disagree, a vote in 202 is not a plan to defeat Isis, we have to consider the threats that we are facing right now and we have to be prepared to confront them and defeat them, let me, we are going to stay, we are going to stay basically on this topic, obviously, you have been emphasizing this difference in the Iraq war, but a place where yes agrees, and one place he voted to authorize the use of force was in favor of the war in Afghanistan.

Right now it is possible that President Obama will leave the next president, perhaps President Sanders, at least 10,000 troops in Afghanistan. How long will those troops be in Afghanistan under President Sanders? Well, I think our great task is to make sure that our young men and women in the military do not get sucked into the endless Perpetual War within the quagmire of Syria and Iraq. and I will do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen. I agree with the secretary that I think that is what needs to happen and let me mention what King Abdullah of Jordan said.

I think he hit the nail on the head. and what he said is essentially that the war against ISIS is a war for the soul of Islam and it must be the Muslim troops on the ground that will destroy ISIS with the support of a coalition of great powers: the United States, the United Kingdom, France , Germany and Russia, so our job is to provide them with the military equipment they need, air support, they need special forces when appropriate, but at the end of the day for a dozen different reasons, one of which is that Isis wanted troops American combat troops on the ground so that we can reach out to the Muslim world and say: look, we are facing these terrible Americans.

The combat on the ground must be carried out by Muslim troops with our support. We must not get involved in the Perpetual War in the Middle East. Can you address the question about Afghanistan? I mean, that's going to be there if President Obama leaves them 10,000 troops for how long they will just withdraw tomorrow, which we could and allow the Taliban or anyone else to take back that country, but what should we do and what do we have. Recent months have seen some progress in Iraq, where Radi was finally retaken by the Iraqi army, which has not been a particularly effective fighting force.

Isis has lost, I think 40% of the territory it held in the last year, hope

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y, you know. I can't predict the future, maybe our training and their combat capabilities are improving and we're going to make some PR gains to destroy Isis, Secretary Clinton, 30 seconds, how long will these troops be in Afghanistan? We have more American troops in Afghanistan, right? now what we were talking about absolutely uh the president decided to leave more troops than he had originally planned in Afghanistan uh we have a very cooperative government there uh with uh uh Ashraf gani and uh his uh uh top uh uh his main partner Abdullah and they're doing the best they can and the Afghan army is actually fighting.

The Afghan army is suffering heavy losses defending Afghan territory and I would have to make an assessment, based on the circumstances at the time I took office, on how much help they continued to provide. It's necessary because it's not just the Taliban, we're now seeing outposts of, you know, fighters who claim to be affiliated with Isis, so we have this arc of instability from North Africa to South Asia and we have to pay attention to it. a lot of attention and I have to build a Coalition, something I did to confront the Iranian nuclear program and what I will do as president to make sure we defeat these terrorist networks.

You know, Senator Sanders? Nobody knows who his foreign policy advisors are. important speech on foreign policy and it doesn't seem like foreign policy is a priority all the time, except that when you are asked about it you say you are going to crush Isis like you said last night and before I have not yet proactively presented a foreign policy doctrine, well , that's not entirely accurate. I gave a speech at Georgetown, where I talked about

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socialism and foreign policy. Maybe I shouldn't have combined the two in the same speech, because foreign policy. Some of this didn't get much attention, so let me take this opportunity to give you a very brief speech on the subject.

I think that while it is true, the secretary and I voted differently on the war in Iraq, the important thing is that we learn the lesson of the war in Iraq and that lesson is intrinsic to my foreign policy. If the president-elect is the United States, we cannot do it alone, we cannot be the police of the world. I think we are now spending more than the next eight countries on defense. We have to work in a strong coalition with the major powers of the world and with those Muslim countries that are prepared to rise up and confront terrorism, so I would say that the key doctrine of the Sandas administration would be no, we cannot continue to do it alone, we need to work on the Secretary of the Coalition, if you could add 30 seconds please, a group of national security experts, military intelligence experts issued a very concerning statement about Senator Sanders' views on foreign policy and national security, pointing out some of the comments he has made on these issues, such as inviting Iranian troops to Syria to try to resolve the conflict there, putting them right on Israel's doorstep, or asking Saudi Arabia and Iran to work together when they can't stand each other and are involved It's a proxy battle right now, so I think questions have been raised and they need to be answered because when New Hampshire voters go to cast their ballot on Tuesday, they're voting for both a president and a commander in boss and there is no way to predict what comes through the door of that White House day to day that may pose a threat to the United States or one of our friends and allies and I think this is a big part of the job interview that we are all doing. driving with voters here answers two answers I fully admit that Secretary Clinton, who was Secretary of State for four years, has more experience than is not arguable in foreign affairs, but experience is not the only point of judgment and once again beyond back in 2002, when we both analyzed the same evidence about the wisdom of the war in Iraq, one of us voted the right way and the other didn't, in terms of Iran and in terms of Saudi Arabia, of course, they hate each other, that's not It's a big secret, but John KY, who I think did a very good job, tried to at least get these people in the room because they are both being threatened by ISIS.

Well, let me add that you know, I've said this before and I'm very proud of it when it comes to trial, of having run a tough race against Senator Obama at the time he turned to me to be Secretary of State and when he It deals with the biggest counterterrorism problems we

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in this Administration, namely whether or not to go after Bin Laden. I was at that table. I was exercising my judgment to advise the presiding president on what to do with Iran, Russia and China on a lot of issues because I know from my own experience that you.

We have to be ready from day one. There are too many unpredictable threats and dangers in the world today. You know, you should try to say: wait. I'll get to that when I can. It is simply not an acceptable approach. Secretary Clinton at the time. In the last

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debate in Charleston I want to be specific here. Senator Sanders called for acting as aggressively as possible to normalize relations with Iran. His campaign has criticized him for saying that now that he is standing next to you here on this stage, can you explain? In his opinion, why the United States should not try to normalize relations with Iran, you absolutely know that I formed the coalition to impose sanctions.

In fact, I began the negotiations that led to the nuclear deal and sent some of my closest collaborators to start talks with Iran. Iran, I'm very happy that we got that nuclear deal, if it puts a stop to the nuclear weapons program, we have to implement it, there have to be consequences, but that's not our only problem with Iran, we have to figure out how to deal with it. With Iran being the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world, destabilizing governments in the region, continuing to support Hisbah and Hamas in Lebanon against Israel, much of the work we have to do is going to be incredibly difficult.

I'm ready. to do that work, but I believe that, just as I did when imposing sanctions, action is necessary for Action. If we normalized relations right now, we would eliminate one of the biggest pieces of leverage we have in trying to influence and change Iranian behavior. The president doesn't think we should, I certainly don't think we should, I think we have to take this step by step to try to convince Iranian aggression of their support for terrorism and other bad behavior that can come back and haunt us. I said I think we should normalize relations with Iran tomorrow.

I never said that I think we should move as quickly as possible and you are right, they are sponsors of terrorism around the world and we have to address that, but you know, several years ago, people said that a normal relationship with Cuba was an idea bad and stupid. They are communists, they are our enemy, well guess what change has occurred, so please don't suggest that I think we will normalize relations with Tran, tomorrow. Don't do it, but I would like to see us move forward and hopefully one day that will happen, and I would say, if you'll allow me,Madam Secretary, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, when you ran against Senator Obama, I considered him naive, naive because I thought it was a good idea to talk to our enemies.

I think those are exactly the people you need to talk to and negotiate with. Well, Senator, let me correct the record if I can. You know, let me correct the record as U. As I remember, the question was meeting without conditions and you're right, I was against that, so I would be against it now, okay, part of diplomacy, the hard work of diplomacy is trying to obtain all the concessions we can. give something that the other party wants, of course you have to try to make peace and work with those who are your adversaries, but don't rush to open the door and say Here I am, let's talk and make an agreement, that's not how it works .

I think President Obama had the right idea and the bottom line is that, of course, there have to be conditions, but of course, it doesn't do us any good not to talk to each other. We set the conditions. Iran, we worked hard to establish them and be informed first and then we talked, that is exactly the right sequence and that is what I did with the president and on the same page, Justice on the clear record, I strongly supported the agreement that makes sure that If Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon, as commander in chief, Senator Sanders, must prioritize potential threats to the United States, three countries, North Korea, Iran, Russia, how would you rank them in order of threat? to America's security right now, starting with the biggest threat, Isis, did you forget we've had?

I'm talking about these three countries, how would you guide, how would you guide our national security, our national security? Clearly, North Korea is a very strange situation because it is such an isolated country, run by a handful of dictators or maybe just one who seems somewhat paranoid and who has nuclear weapons, and our goal there, in my opinion, is to work and lean heavily on China to put so much pressure on China. It is one of the few major countries in the world that has significant support for North Korea and I think we have to do everything we can to pressure China, so I am very concerned about an isolated paranoid country with atomic bombs.

I clearly believe that we have to work closely with China to solve the serious problems we have and I am concerned about Putin and his military adventurism in the area of ​​crime in Crimea and Ukraine. Defense Secretary Ash Carter this week picked one of those three and said: Russia. It was basically the most important threat to national security, so reorienting the defense and the challenges towards that, do you agree with their decision? No, no, I'm worried, I'm very, very worried about an isolated country, that's what makes me nervous. Russia lives in The world that China lives in the world North Korea is a very, very strange country because it is very isolated and I fear that a nation with nuclear weapons, they have to be dealt with and dealt with effectively, Secretary Clinton, what do you think? of a defense secretary, Ash Carter, is basically putting Russia above Iran and above North Korea as sort of the top national security challenge right now.

Well, I haven't spoken to Secretary Carter, but this is what I think he's planning for you. We know that we have a nuclear weapons agreement with Iran that is a consequence of law enforcement action by action let's continue we have a plan we will watch them we will be vigilant we have to worry about North Korea they continue to develop their nuclear weapons capability and they are working very hard in their ballistic missile capability and I know that some of those plans could very well lead to a missile that could reach Hawaii, if not the West Coast, and we have to try to get the countries in the region to work with them.

Let us do everything we can to confine and restrict them, but what Secretary Carter is seeing is the constant pressure that Russia is putting on our European allies in the same way that Russia is trying to move the borders of post-World War II Europe. the way they are trying to pit European countries against each other, seizing the territory that holds them in Crimea, starting to explore whether they could make some inrs in the Baltics. We know that they are deeply committed to supporting Assad, um, because they want to have a place in the Middle East. They have a naval base, they have an air base in Syria, they want to keep it, and I think what Secretary Carter is seeing, and I'm glad he is, is that we have to get NATO back to work for the common defense.

We have to do more to support our partners and NATO and we have to send a very clear message to Putin that this type of belligerence, this type of border testing will have to be responded to, and the best way to do that is to say more armor, put more money in from the Europeans, so they are actually contributing more to their own defense, thanks to both, Rachel, Secretary Clinton. I want to ask you about a national security issue that is closer to home, there are thousands of veterans. 100 thousand veterans living in the state of New Hampshire.

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a Republican opponent in the general election who wants to privatize or even abolish large parts of the VA. It is a recently popular initiative. idea in conservative politics, how will the discussion on that issue be won, given the problems that have been exposed at the VA in recent years? What is your argument that the VA should continue to exist and should not be privatized either? First of all, I am absolutely against it. privatizing the VA and I will do everything I can to take advantage of the reforms that Senator Sanders and others in Congress passed to try to fix what is wrong with the VA.

There are many issues regarding wait times and services that need to be addressed. fixed because our veterans deserve nothing but the best, but you are absolutely right, you know, Rachel, this is another part of the Koch brothers' agenda. In fact, they have formed an organization to try to start convincing Americans that we should no longer be guaranteed specialized health care. For our veterans, I will fight for that as hard as I can. I think that's where we can enlist the veteran service organizations, the Veterans of America, because yes, let's fix the VA, but we will never let it be privatized and that's a promise, Senator Sanders.

As the leader of Congress on veterans issues and the veterans committee, you have worked in a very bipartisan way with Senator John McCain and others on veterans issues, and the right contour of the fight is the way, let me get old, you know , as the secretary knows. Yes, I had the privilege and honor of chairing the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs and it's interesting to me, you know, Republicans give a lot of speeches about how much they love veterans. I work with the American Legion, the VFW, the DAV and Vietnam Veterans and virtually every veterans organization to craft the most comprehensive veterans legislation in modern American history, that's what I did and I took it to the floor.

Senate. Every Democrat voted for every Democrat voted for it. I got two Republicans. We ended up with 56 votes and I couldn't get the 60 votes I needed, that's pathetic. This was legislation supported by all veterans organizations that addresses many of the serious issues veterans face in health care and how we provide benefits to them. So Republicans speak highly of veterans, but when it came time to put money on the line to protect our veterans, frankly, they weren't there. What I did next, Rachel, was I had to back off a little bit. I had to make concessions. I worked with John McCain.

I worked with Jeff Miller in the house and we put together not the bill he wanted, but probably the most comprehensive VA health care bill in the modern history of this country. Secretary Clinton is absolutely right, there are people, Koch brothers, among others, who I have a group called Concerned Veterans of America funded by the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers, by the way, want to destroy Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, every government program passed since the 1930s. Yes, there are people who want to privatize it. The last point I would like to make. I had a hearing, I had all the veterans groups in front of me and I told them to tell me when a veteran enters the VA understanding that there are waiting lines and real problems when a veteran enters the system is the issue of good care. without exception what they said good excellent very good we have to strengthen the VA we do not privatize Senator Sanders Secretary Clinton we are going to take another break we will talk about social security and some of those other topics when it comes back and we are back we are going to get into a little politics electoral a bit of electability Senator Sanders the Iowa Democratic Party declared Hillary Clinton the winner on Monday the Iowa Caucasus has the narrowest margin today Mo's record has an editorial calling for an audit of the results saying cite what happened on Monday night in the Democratic caucuses was a period of debacle the results were too close not to do a full audit Senator Sanders do you accept the idea that Hillary Clinton won Iowa and you or do you?

You believe that the electoral assemblies remain an open question. Well, I agree with De Mo's record, but let's not overdo this. This is not a victory and I take it all. I think where we are now, correct me if I'm wrong, you have 22 delegates, I have 20 delegates, we need 2,500 delegates to win the nomination, you know, this is not the biggest deal in the world, we thought, by the way, based on talking to our district captains, we can have at least two delegates plus what Mo's record said, you know there were coins, I think there were half a dozen coin tosses, quite a chaotic situation at the end of the day, no matter how you count, it's will roughly balance and by the way, I love and respect the caucus process in Iowa, uh, look, and I don't have to say it because they already voted and I also love the Hampshire because you haven't voted, but look, I think people are exaggerating this, but I think we need improvements in the process by which results are determined, Secretary Clint, will you participate in some type of audit if that is what the party wants to do well?

Whatever they decide to do, okay, okay, we move on. We're happy with that, we have a question, Senator Sanders, um, in 1964, oh, look, when you're old, so it goes back all these years, what did you get in 1964? I heard that the Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater, who was the hero of However, in the conservative movement he was very much to the right of the majority of that party. In 1972, the Democrats nominated George McGovern, who was a hero of liberals in the anti-war movement, but he was to the left of the mainstream of the party. Both nominees became activists. very excited and they both got destroyed in the general election, even the Democrats who love you worry about your fate in the general election and I know you have good head to head poll numbers against the Republican candidates right now, we know that, but do you?

You have a general election strategy that is different than the way you are running now to try to get the nomination. You know, a general election is different than a primary in the caucus process, but let me say this in terms of where we are. Right now, as you mentioned Rachel in several national and state polls, including New Hampshire, for example, the last poll I saw, there may have been a new one. The last one I saw here in New Hampshire, a battleground state, had me defeating Trump by 19 years. secret by defeating him by one there were also pretty big margins in Iowa and Wisconsin these are polls polls go up polls go down but here's why I think I will be if nominated the strongest candidate Democrats win when there is a large voter turnout when the People are excited when workers, middle class people and young people are ready to participate in the political process, Republicans win when people are demoralized and there is a small voter turnout, which by the way is why they love it voter suppression.

I think our campaign so far has shown that we can create an enormous amount of enthusiasm among workers, among young people who will get involved in the political process and that will lead us to a very large voter turnout, if there is a large voter turnout, not only we're going to keep the White House but I think we're going to take back the Senate, we're going to win governorships across the board, so I think if you want to keep the White House, if you want the Democrats to do well across the board, I think our campaign is the one that creates the greatest number of voters. participation and helps us win Secretary Clinton, her campaign and her serum and the people who have supported him have suggested that or even said that if Senator Sanders is the candidate, the Democrats will suffer inacross the country and the Democrats' chances of holding on to the White House will diminish.

With him here standing next to you, can you tell us whether or not you think he would win the general election if he were nominated? I can only tell you what I believe and that is that I am the strongest candidate to take it to the Republicans and win in November and I say this with great respect for the campaign that Senator Sanders has been running. Personally, I am excited by the number of people, and particularly young people, who come to support his campaign. I hope to earn your support. They may not support me now, but I support them and we will work together, but what concerns me are the opinions of many Democrats who know their states and know how difficult it is to win a general election.

It will also put whoever the nominee is in the spotlight. I've been vetted, there's almost nothing you don't know about me and I think it's fair to say that whoever is in that position, Senator Sanders or anyone else who may have run. He will face the most devastating attack, so I believe I am the person who can do all aspects of the job. I think I'm the person best equipped to take the case to the Republicans and I think at the end of today it's not so much about getting elected, it's about who the American people believe can keep them safe can turn the economy around. to move can get revenue The surge can build on President Obama's progressive achievements and I think the coalition that President Obama built to win twice is a coalition that I can build and add to and that's what I'm prepared for thanks to both of you I want to continue let's go To continue on this issue we will stay on this issue but Secretary Clinton just like there.

There are some Democrats who question Senator Sanders' ability in the general elections. Many Democratic voters our reporters have encountered in Iowa, New Hampshire, tell our reporters over and over again that they are concerned about the emails released, not because they don't believe them. your explanation, but because it's a trickle because the cloud is hanging over your head and it will affect the general election, they look at your numbers right now and think it's the email problem that explains why you're not voting very well. , you can do it? Reassure these Democrats that somehow the email issue isn't going to blow up your candidacy if you are the absolute nominee.

I can know that before the emails it was Benghazi and the Republicans were stirring up so much controversy about it and I testified for 11 hours answered their questions, they basically said yes, we didn't understand it, we tried, it was all a political ploy, now we had a development on the email issue today when it came to light that Secretary Powell and former Secretary Rice's close associates, uh, use private email accounts and now you have these people in the government who are doing to him the same thing to Secretary Pow and Secretary Rice on AIDS that they've been doing to me, which is that I never sent or received any classified material, they're retroactively classifying it.

I completely agree with Secretary Po, who said today that this is absurd, and that's why I think the American people will know it's absurd. I have absolutely no worries about it. Very well, Madam Secretary, although there is an open FBI investigation into this matter. about how he may have handled classified material, are you 100% sure nothing will come out of this FBI? I am 100% sure that this is a security review that was requested, that is being carried out, that will be resolved, but I must add if there is going to be a security review on me, there will have to be security reviews on many other people, including Republican officials, because we have this absurd situation of retroactive classifications, honestly, this is just begging the imagination, so I have absolutely no concerns about it, but we have to get to the bottom of what is really going on here and I hope that happens well, Senator Sanders, you're famous in the first debate, you said you didn't give a damn about her. uh emails, I think you used other quotes, you're right, I'm trying, it's family time still now after 11:00.

I'll put it another way, um and you've mostly refrained from commenting on it, but recently. You called it a very serious problem and then the other day you said, "Well, she's getting slapped by the email controversy." How do you feel about these damn emails? Now I feel exactly how I felt in the first debate. There is a process underway. By the way, I won't politicize it, okay, sen, thank you, and by the way, if she allows me, the secretary probably doesn't know that not a day goes by that I am without being asked to attack her. that issue and I have refrained from doing so and will continue to refrain from doing so Senator, thank you, Senator, in December, one of your campaign staffers was fired from your campaign for taking voter data essentially from the Clinton campaign, you He apologized for that when the incident became public.

His campaign has now come under fire for his agents essentially posing as Culinary Union members wearing Union badges in Nevada. And the nsha recently complained that you falsely implied in an ad that they had endorsed you when they did neither. The problems are obviously the end of the world, but they are all one time, are you somehow losing control of your campaign? with the first two cases and they are unacceptable and we have apologized and we have dealt with that in terms of the last one, as I understand it, we did not suggest that we have the endorsement of a newspaper, newspapers that also do endorsements. say positive things about other candidates and as far as I know that's what we did, so we never said, we never said that someone, a newspaper endorsed us, that didn't, what we said is blah, blah, blah, blah , was said by the newspaper only to continue.

I mean the title of the ad in question was endorsement, but that was just so it wouldn't be on television. That is an important point, since the secretary knows that you put titles on the ads and send them, but no. There was no word in that ad that said those new newspapers had endorsed US Secretary Clinton. Do you want 30 seconds on this topic? It's not right and with that we'll take a break. We will be welcomed back to the University of New Hampshire and the Democratic candidates debate with Secretary Clinton on the issue of the death penalty here in New Hampshire the only person who is on death row is there for killing a police officer police is a crime that has caused anguish in this state among both death penalty opponents and death penalty opponents. supporters of capital punishment, the last time I had the opportunity to speak with you about this issue of the death penalty, you said that capital punishment has a place in very few federal cases, but you also said that you would breathe a sigh of relief if the Supreme Court abolished it. the death penalty Tonight, across the country, do you still support the death penalty even if you do so reluctantly?

Yes, I do and you know what I expect the Supreme Court to do. It is making absolutely clear that any state that continues capital punishment must meet the highest standards. of proof of effective assistance of counsel or they cannot continue because for me that is the real dividing line. I have much more confidence in the federal system and reserve it for particularly heinous crimes in the federal system like terrorism. I have strong feelings about it. I thought it was appropriate, after a very thorough trial, that Timothy McVey receive the death penalty for blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people, including 19 children, at a day care center, so I do it for very few particularly heinous crimes.

I think it's an appropriate punishment, but I deeply disagree with the way many states are still implementing it, so if it were possible to separate the federal from the state system by the Supreme Court, I think that would be an appropriate outcome. , Senator Sanders. I've pointed out the death penalty and Senator Clinton's support for the death penalty as an issue that makes it difficult to consider it progressive in her mind, but I heard what the secretary said and I understand that look, we all know that. We've seen in recent years horrible, horrible, horrible crimes and it's hard to imagine how people can bomb and kill 168 people in Oklahoma City or do the Boston Marathon bombing, but this is what I believe and for a couple of reasons, number one, too many.

Innocent people, including African-American minorities, have been executed when they were not guilty, that's number one, so we have to be very careful to make sure of that, but secondly and perhaps in a deeper reason, of course, there are barbaric acts out there. But in a world of so much violence and killing, I just don't think the government itself should be a part of the killing, so when someone commits any of these terrible crimes that we've seen, you lock them up and throw them in the trash. key, they will never get out, but I just don't want the government to be part of the killing.

That's another issue related to the proper role of government and, in this case, specifically the role of government between the federal government and the states. I want to talk for a moment about the Flint Michigan issue of the lead poisoning disaster. Both have been highly critical of Governor Rick Snyder of Michigan and how the state of Michigan caused the lead poisoning problem and has not acted quickly enough to fix it. If both have openly said that the fact is Michigan, although it has not solved it, there is no door-to-door delivery of drinking water in Flint even today not a single lead pipe has been replaced in Flint even today if the state is failing.

Could you, Secretary Clinton, as president, mandate a federal response to get it right, beyond the state's wishes? Absolutely, you know, Rachel, you and I have talked about this before. I appreciate you coming to Flint to have that town hall. I will be in Flynn at the Mayor's invitation on Sunday for a detailed briefing on what is and is not happening. This is an emergency with each passing day and these people, particularly children, are not tested so we can know what steps need to be taken. taken to try to remedy the effects of the poisoning they have been living with is a day lost in a child's life and I know from the work I have done for so many years that the toxic nature of lead can affect their brain development, the development of the body, the behavior, so I absolutely believe that what is being done is not enough, we must be absolutely clear about everything that must be done from today to tomorrow in the future to try to remedy the terrible burden that people bear of Flint. they're enduring and that includes fixing their pipes, it includes ensuring any health care and educational trappings that they may need in the future, and I think the federal government has ways to build up the state of Michigan if Michigan doesn't do it there.

There will be ways that we can start to act and then make them pay for it and hold them accountable Senator Sanders, are there things that the federal government could be doing? President Obama could be ordering them to be done right now in Flint, Michigan, which are not being done during the US president would absolutely um I mean, I think the secretary described the situation appropriately uh you know, I'm not asking. the resignation of the Governor every day, in fact, I don't think I have ever done it in my life, but I did ask for the resignation of Governor Snider because his irresponsibility was so scandalous what are we talking about our children being poisoned that is what we are talking about no We know, no one knows for sure because they haven't even done the corresponding studies, but there is no doubt that children, uh, intellectual. development may have been affected, we don't know how many thousands, the idea that there hasn't been a dramatic response is beyond comprehension and when one of the, I think, major public health crises of recent years occurs, of course , the federal government comes in and Of course, the federal government says you're not going to poison young children and affect their entire lives.

Last point on this and I suspect the secretary agrees. One wonders if this were a white suburban community, what kind of response there would have been, Flint. Michigan Flint Michigan is a poor community, it is disproportionately African American and minority and what has happened there is absolutely unacceptable Senator, thank you Secretary Clinton, let me address the issue of trade in the 90s, you supported NAFTA but opposed it when you ran for president. In 2008, as Secretary of State, he supported the TPP and then, of course, that trade agreement with many Asian countries, but now he opposes it by making his second run for president, if elected, in case the Democratsexpect that to happen once he's in office.

Then you will again support these trade agreements. You know, Chuck? I only had the responsibility to vote for trade agreements as a senator and I voted against a multinational trade agreement when I was a senator, the cfta agreement, uh, because I didn't. I believe it was best for America's workers and our income and I opposed it. I was hoping that the TPP negotiated by this Administration would calm many of the concerns that many people have expressed about trade agreements and I said. He was holding out hope that it would be the kind of trade deal he was looking for.

I waited until it was actually negotiated because I wanted to give the administration the benefit of the doubt once I saw what uh The result was that I objected. Now I have a very clear vision about it. We have to trade with the rest of the world. We are 5% of the world's population. We have to trade with the other 95%. And trade has to be reciprocal. That's the way. The global economy works, but we have failed to provide the basic safety net that American workers need to be able to compete and win in the global economy, so it's not just what's in the trade deal that interests me.

To help renegotiate the trade deal we inherited from President Bush with Korea, we brought in the UAW because of the changes we made, so there are changes that I think would make a real difference if they could be achieved, but that I currently don't support. as it's well written, Senator Sanders, I know you want to respond to this: you have never absolutely supported a trade deal since you've been in Congress, but if you do it as president, if you do it as president, how are you not going to essentially allow than China, who will make all these deals around the world?

How are you going to stop China from essentially setting the rules of trade for the world Chuck? I believe in trade, but I don't believe in unfed free trade. I believe in Fair Trade, which works for the middle class and working families of this country and not just large multinational corporations. Not only was he opposed to NAFTA and this is an area where the secretary and I have disagreements. He wasn't just opposed to NAFTA. I was on the picket line opposing NAFTA because I understood I don't think this is really rocket science, we heard all the people telling us how many great jobs it would create.

I didn't believe it for a second because I understood what the function of NAFTA is. Pntr with China and the TPP is to say to American workers, hey, you're now competing against people in Vietnam who make 56 cents an hour minimum wage. I don't want American workers to compete against people who make 50.6 cents an hour. I don't want American workers to compete against people who make 50.6 cents an hour. I don't want companies to close in the United States, leave people on the streets, move to China and bring their products back to this country, so I believe in trade, of course, I believe in trade, but agreements Current commercials from the last 30 years were written by companies.

America for Corporate America resulted in the loss of millions of decent-paying jobs. 60,000 factories in the United States have lost millions of jobs with decent wages since 2001 and also a downward spiral, a race to the bottom in which employers say "hey, you don't want to take a cut" and wages that we are going to China Workers today are working longer hours for lower wages, trade is one of the reasons for that, okay, thanks to both of you, we're going to take one more break here and when we get back we'll try to include as many questions as we can before we finish this, we'll be fine. back, okay, welcome back here in the last few minutes of the final stretch of this only democratic debate in the last week before the primaries, let me start with you.

Secretary Clinton on this issue, obviously, President Obama did a lot of ambitious things in his first year and a half, you will have to make decisions and there are a lot of heavy lifting and he made decisions, he took care of health care and he came in the Could to say that at the expense of immigration reform if you had put immigration reform first, maybe that will get done and health care won't, so there are three big advances that you've talked about on immigration, gun reform , climate change, what do you do first because you know the first is the one, you have the best chance of getting it right.

I don't accept that premise, Chuck, I think we have so much business to do. We have talked a lot tonight about what we oppose. income inequality we are against the abuses of powerful interests we are against many things I am in favor of many things I don't just want to prevent bad things from happening I want to start good things happening and I believe If I am lucky enough to get the nomination, I will begin working immediately to put together an agenda and begin talking to members of Congress and others about how we can move forward.

I want to have 500 million more solar panels deployed. first four years I want to have enough clean energy to power every home for the next four years I want us to continue working on the Affordable Care Act to achieve not only 100% coverage but also reduce the cost of prescription drugs and medications out of use. out of pocket cost I want to advance Paid Family Leave in early childhood education I want us to do more for small businesses small businesses have to create the most jobs and we are not creating or growing small businesses I think if you have a smart strategy On the agenda, you pick the committees that you know have to start working on these various pieces because that's how Congress is set up, you go through different committees and you really make a big push at the beginning, immigration reform, revitalization economic with the manufacturing industry, with the infrastructure.

We put it out there and we start working on a big, bold, ambitious agenda that will actually produce the results I want to see for our country, okay, but Senator Sanders, you still have to do something first, as you know, history says that what you choose first It is his best chance to achieve it and how he prioritizes things, immigration, for example, fell by the wayside in the first quarter, he absolutely supports comprehensive reform. an immigration reform and a path to citizenship for 11 million people who today live in the shadows, okay, we have to do it, but when you analyzed the issues, you omitted two of the most important ones, and that is that you are not going to achieve what you What needs to be done for working families and the middle class Unless there is campaign reform, as long as big money interests control the United States Congress, it will be very difficult to do what needs to be done for working families. so let me be very clear, no candidate of mine, if I am elected chief justice of the United States Supreme Court, will get that nomination unless he is loud and clear and says he will vote to overthrow Citizens United Second Point.

The second point is that the only way we can make change in terms of health care in terms of dealing with a failed criminal justice system that today allows us to have more people in prison than any other majority African American and Latino country, the only way Creating millions of jobs by rebuilding our infrastructure or having a tax system that tells the rich they are going to pay their fair share is when millions of people get involved in the political process. No, you simply can't negotiate with Mitch McConnell. Mitch will have to look out the window and see.

Many people are saying that Mitch should stop representing the billionaire class and start listening to working families, and as president, I will work hard on that, thank you, Secretary Clinton. Republicans, particularly in campaign years, often talk about which government departments and which government agencies they would get rid of if they were elected president the EPA the Department of Education the Department of Commerce Wow, are there any government departments in the which would get rid of or is there a completely new one from which the answer to both would be created? No, I'm interested in making what we have work better.

I want to optimize programs that are duplicate and redundant. I want to have a top-to-bottom review of what's working and what's not working and be absolutely clear that we're getting rid of it. of what doesn't work I have had the opportunity to run a large agency. I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said that I ran the State Department better than anyone in a long time, so I have an idea of ​​what's going on. take to make our government run more efficiently and when you're budgeting you have to make a lot of tough decisions, but I think it's not appropriate to say, "I'm going to get rid of this, get rid of that until you have a very good process that will help you." It provides information about what to do, but I want to add something else, you know, because look, we have a lot of work to do in our country and I think it is the greatest work that Americans will be called to do and of course we have to have people.

In every community involved in this, we have to have the political voice, the political bases speaking and expressing what we have to try to achieve in Washington, but we also need to have a very clear set of objectives that we are going to achieve and we need to be sincere with the American people about what they are, what they will cost, what is expected of our citizenship, so I see us as president having a constant dialogue with the American people, this is what we are trying to do, this is why. I need your help. Here's why you may think comprehensive immigration reform with a path toward citizenship isn't something you're interested in, but I'm telling you it will help fix the job market, bring people out of the shadows, and actually raise wages. .

You have to make all those connections so that you have people with you every step of the way, that's what I want to do, thank you, before we go, we want to ask each of these, Secretary Clinton, you've made it clear. that when you look at senator

sanders

you don't see a president but you see a vice president president look would you unite the party by trying to choose senator sanders as your running mate? Well, I'm certainly joining the party, but I'm not, I'm not getting ahead of myself, I think it would be a little presumptuous if I'm lucky enough to be the first nominated person that I'll call to talk about where we're going and how.

We'll get it done will be Senator Sanders, would you please consider the Secretary? I agree with what the secretary said, we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves and as I've said many times, sometimes in these campaigns things get a little bit I flat out respect the secretary a lot I hope it's mutual uh and uh on our worst days I think it's fair to say we're a hundred times better than any Republican candidate that's true that's true closing statements list, go ahead Secretary Clinton closing statements, you're first, first, thank you to MSNBC and thank you all for holding this debate early. of the New Hampshire primary.

I'm going to campaign as hard as I can from now until Tuesday to earn your votes in those primaries. I hear some comments that people are trying to decide: do they vote with their hearts? Do you vote with your head? I ask you to bring both your heart and your head to vote with you on Tuesday because we have a lot of work that can only be seen because your heart is moved, you know we couldn't talk about the continued struggles that Americans face with racism, sexism, discrimination against the LGBT community, new Americans with people with disabilities, yes, we have income inequality, we have other forms of inequality. that we have to confront and absolutely diminish our society, so my heart has been touched since I was a young woman the age of many Senator Sanders supporters, worrying about what I could do to make a difference for my country and I will bring that heart with me, but I will also tell you that we have to put our heads together to find the best answers to solve the problems so that people can have real differences in their lives that will make them better. for now and in the future, thank you, go ahead, senator, uh, my father came to this country at the age of 17 from Poland, he had no money, he couldn't speak English, he died quite young and I think so.

It would have been beyond his wildest dreams to see his son here on stage today running for president. I love this country and my dad loved this country and he was the proudest American for what he gave to him in terms of raising his family. Although we never had much money, today in the United States we are the only major country in the world that does not guarantee health care to all people and that does not guarantee paid medical and family leave. We have the highest child poverty rate of almost any major country. In this country on Earth we see millions of families who cannot send their children to college in the United States of America.

I'm running for president because I think it's too late for establishment politics and economics. I think thatwe need a political revolution. where millions of people stand up and say loud and clear that our government belongs to all of us and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors. Thanks everyone, there you have it. I promise you that Rachel and I have a lot more questions, but we just don't have more time unless we can incentivize our third hour, but I don't think so. Our debate coverage, post-debate coverage will continue in a moment with our colleague Chris Matthews, but we want to thank you all for being here and we want to thank both candidates for participating in this important event.

We also want to thank our host University of New Hampshire and the people of New Hampshire. You will be able to vote in just 5 days. We can't wait to see it. As it turns out, don't ruin it, see you in a few minutes, thanks.