Hon. Malcolm X: Talking Is A Waste Of Time.

Malcolm, the civil rights bill is already with us, what will it mean? Well, I'm not very enthusiastic about the civil rights bill, mainly because it is a law and the Supreme Court's desegregation decision was also a law made by the highest court. in the country 10 years ago and they have not been able to implement it even here in New York City or any other city in the north let alone try to implement it in the South and if they cannot implement this, this one law that was made by the highest court in the country. I highly doubt they will be able to enforce any of the laws that are now on the books in this recently passed civil rights legislation which I don't think is even a step, so no, I don't think it's a step.

The Constitution of the United States is automatically supposed to be sufficient to protect anyone who was born here and is a citizen, and the Constitution includes everyone who is a citizen. born here I don't see why additional legislation is needed when it comes to black rights if the Polish people, Hungarians, Russians and others who come here as refugees do not need civil rights legislation to be recognized. as citizens why is it a travesty to make blacks think that civil rights legislation is needed to gain recognition as citizens, what would you suggest be done then to let a black go wherever he wants in the south and get all the other benefits? that the bill provides you nothing can be done through legislation education is needed the white man in this country needs to be re-educated so that his pattern of behavior towards non-whites changes and the black man in this country also needs to be re-educated so that our pattern of behavior and attitude towards ourselves will change and once a little education is done on both sides, you will probably find that that in itself will do more to generate the spirit of Brotherhood than all the others.

Legislation that is designed to force the two together cannot be legislated over the Brotherhood, let the Brotherhood arise through understanding and understanding is created through education. Now Malcolm, on one hand you are

talking

about Brotherhood and education and on the other hand you are

talking

about gorilla movements in the south, what is your position? Both are educational. We demand our right to have access to equal opportunity in whatever this country stands for, as long as we are born here and we are within the confines of the Constitution that governs this country now according to that, we feel that we have the right to defend ourselves as long as Let's take action to participate, as citizens and illegal elements like the Klux Clan stand in our way.

We believe that the two positions are indeed consistent. one complements the other Malcolm tell me why you want to send guillas to Mississippi well Professor Mark thewolf H of Harvard Law School speaking on behalf of 29 other law professors pointed out that the United States government could intervene by law in the state of Mississippi sending troops and since the Attorney General and other members of the federal government have indicated that they have no intention of sending federal troops to protect the lives and property of black people who are being brutalized there, our intention is to try to organize black people or black Americans in this country in self defense units in that area in areas where the government is unwilling or unable to defend our people we will defend our people ourselves what exactly would these tit for tat units do? and the tooth for tooth situation, as long as it is an intelligently organized effort that is being done, the discipline involved will keep our people acting intelligently and discriminately, but if something is not done in this country to organize the blacks that they are fed up with this nonviolent approach of turning the other cheek in a sensible direction to bring about an end to this brutality of which we are constantly victims, then black people are going to react in a disorganized, unintelligent and indiscriminate manner when it comes to retaliation, so we actually think that we are doing more to uphold the law and protect the lives and property of our people in an organized way than to sit back and let a disorganized effort develop, what would you do?

In a specific case of the three missing children right now, well, one of the things I would do if I wanted to find them is to search the police station in Mississippi and when you think in terms of the Klux Clan, uh, like the Ones Who Are Responsible of his disappearance, then in the state of Mississippi the majority of police officers belong to the clan. The two organizations are intertwined with each other, so we would search some of the police stations or start interrogating the police. there is no need to question people on the street the police know more about where these people are whether they are dead or alive than anyone else in mississippi when you say you would question the police do you really think that would you do it? make them talk to you no, then it means we have reached the point where talking is a

waste

of

time

, what would you do?

It has become necessary for the American black, of whom there are 22 million registered, to let the world know that since the American government in Washington DC has demonstrated its unwillingness or inability to protect us in the state of Mississippi, the black man in this country is obliged to take charge of organizing and making the necessary efforts to give our people the protection that has not come from the government, well, the alternative is that the federal government, which is supposed to protect the rights of blacks in the same way that it protects the rights of whites, it must take responsibility for recognizing the fact that the state of Mississippi is part of the United States and is under the jurisdiction of the United States government and, therefore, Therefore, the United States government is responsible for all the violence, bloodshed and brutality that took place in Mississippi in the past, since our people have been victims of brutality, the government has dragged its feet, as well that we have to create a situation where we can retaliate and create a situation that forces the United States government to occupy the state of Mississippi and do for us to protect ourselves as others have done while you try to protect others, this is your goal , we wouldn't say I wouldn't say they would need training, oh yeah, every

time

you send people against an enemy on the front, they need training and the only criticism I have. of the students that have been sent uh I think the organization that sent these students to show our people how to get involved in this voter registration is a great step and credit should be given to the white people involved as well as the A all the blacks who will receive the benefit of this should be given credit, but I think they made a tactical mistake by sending these young men and not showing them how to defend themselves because sending them into this area without having any idea how to do it. defending yourself from the brutal attacks of the clan is equivalent to sending soldiers to the front in Korea, South Vietnam or Laos, and that enemy there is not as cruel as the clan, the White Citizens Council and other racist elements in In this country you mentioned that you would use white people to infiltrate the clan and gather intelligence.

Yes, in my speaking engagements across the country, on campuses, I found many young white people who were sincere in their desire to see an end to racism. Many of them are now actively involved in Snick and the nonviolent approach, but those The same people who are involved in the nonviolent approach would be involved in any approach that they thought would end racism and I think most whites and blacks would. I can see that from experience in Mississippi and elsewhere in the South, the racist element is morally bankrupt to react positively to the non-violent approach. Could you trust a person who belonged to the group you used to call the Blue-Eyed Demons with information when I referred to them as the Blue-Eyed Demons.

I was speaking on behalf of Elijah Muhammad when I referred to them as a race of demons. I was speaking then uh uh for Elijah Muhammad and uh I didn't. I do not speak for Elijah Muhammad today, in fact, if Elijah Muhammad is the leader of the black people in this country as he professes, then he should be concerned about the brutal treatment our people are receiving in the state of Mississippi and send his well-trained fruit. root of Islam there to protect our people instead of sending them out here to attack former Muslims who no longer want to follow their program, one would trust information from a white man, although well, I have gotten information from white people .

In the past, even when he was a member of the black Muslim movement, I found him to be quite authentic, Malcolm, what is your ultimate goal? My ultimate goal is to do everything I can to achieve complete freedom, justice, and equality for Black people. The people of this country have full respect and recognition as human beings and the Afro-American Unity organization that we have now formed aims to elevate the struggle for black freedom in this country from the level of civil rights to the level of human rights. civilians. the level of Human Rights and carry out a program that will be designed to make us recognized and respected as human beings as members of the Human family where our human rights will be respected and then we think about our civil rights the recognition and respect of our civil rights .

Rights will be automatic Do you feel that you personally are fighting now to retain your role as a black leader? I have never strove to retain or occupy any role as a black leader and I believe that my own way of representing Mr. Elijah Muhammad was such that everyone agreed that I submerged my own personality completely out of respect for his leadership, so I do not I was trying to be a leader then and I'm not trying to be a leader now, I'm one of the 22 million black people in this country who is absolutely impatient, disenchanted and fed up when I have to watch TV every night and watch police dogs biting our people or seeing police beating our people or seeing our women and our children being washed down the sewers with fire hoses simply because they want to exercise their rights in a society that are said to be citizens.

Can you give me some specific ideas of what you would do? No, it wouldn't give any specific idea of ​​what should be done. or how we would do it, but I can say that our people have been in the military, we have many black people in this country who know every type of combat tactic that can be developed in war, imaginable in war and if they can go to Korea . and South Vietnam and Laos and train others in Guerrilla Warfare. Fair enough, they can come here and train our own people in defense tactics that can put an end to this Clan type brutality instead of our people continuing to allow the Clan and these other racist elements to intimidate us with murders and organized brutality.

If the clan knows that we will retaliate, that we can retaliate, and that we will retaliate and do to them what they have been doing to us, we believe that that alone will be enough to sustain us. put them under control and if the government does not want this type of situation to develop, then it is up to the United States government to respond to the plea of ​​James Foreman and the other black leaders in the South and give them federal troops to protect lives. and property of our people, those outsiders would come in for the purpose of organizing self-defense units and one of the steps in that organization involves making blacks in Mississippi see that they have the right to defend themselves instead of doing so.

You always allow yourself to be a victim of attacks from the clan and the White Citizens Council and other racist elements when you say defend yourself, what kind of defense methods are you defending by any means necessary? Our goal is to force the United States government to assume its role as a government and assume its responsibility as a government and occupy the state of Mississippi and give our people the protection that they cannot get under the police system that now exists in that state.