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Bill Barr shreds Trump indictment: 'Pathetically weak'

Mar 18, 2024
Bill Barr former Attorney General twice attorney general former friend in the cabinet colleague Bill thanks for coming just start um just tell me your impressions on this whole story you heard my riff I know you were talking Andy McCarthy in National Review what are? thinking here Bill Barr well I agree with most of what you said Larry uh obviously we don't have the

indictment

so there is a bit of speculation involved but according to the news reports if they are accurate this is an abomination, is the epitome. of the prosecutor's abuse of power to bring a case that would not be abroad against anyone else.
bill barr shreds trump indictment pathetically weak
They are going after the man, it is not a crime and the legal theory, frankly, is

pathetically

weak

. The case is held together thanks to chicken wire and clips. and rubber bands it's a lousy case it's uh and uh it's a shame it's a shameful episode in our history where this local prosecutor is trying to affect the political process by bringing this case this is politically motivated as you suggested I think we all know that , or at least all conservatives know what this is, a legal theory in tatters. I'm still trying to figure it out well, according to news reports the threshold of the crime is false business records, apparently reporting payments that were made to reimburse Michael Cohen who had paid Stormy Daniels and the characterization of those payments are legal payments and the claim is that that is false and therefore violated a misdemeanor statute in the first instance against false documents.
bill barr shreds trump indictment pathetically weak

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I actually don't think it's a valid claim in this case because the statute actually requires that it be done with the intent to commit fraud, so if you have false business records, you know it and you're committing insurance fraud or some other type of fraud in which some value is taken from another person and you obtain value falsely in your own name, then false records would be a misdemeanor, but I don't understand the basis for a fraud claim here, but then they take this misdemeanor that They also have a problem with the statute of limitations and they try to shoehorn it into a felony by claiming that the reason the document was forged the documents were forged was to cover up another crime in this case they are assuming the payments were a violation of campaign finances because they were effectively a contribution to Trump's campaign.
bill barr shreds trump indictment pathetically weak
I can tell you that's not the law, I don't think that's how the justice department sees it, it wasn't put forward by the justice department during the Trump administration, but even after the Trump administration left, there was no inhibition to for the Department of Justice to file this federal claim. If they thought it was valid and it was never presented, other than that, I think it's pretty clear under the law that I'm going to call the payment hush money. I don't like that term, but hush money payments to maintain it. knowing Affairs or other things like that uh secret are not inherently illegal the question under the statute is whether it was a campaign contribution.
bill barr shreds trump indictment pathetically weak
I think the law is pretty clear, it's not, and in fact I think Merrick Garland when he was a DC Circuit Judge wrote an opinion to this effect related to Senator Craig Larry Craig, but leaving it aside under the statute, it would be a payment personal, a payment of a personal expense and that is not a violation of the statute if that is the type of payment that would have been made. even aside from the campaign, and I think there's a compelling argument here that when you're dealing with a private company named after its founder, it's an eponymous company, Trump, of course, there would be a payment to protect the owner's reputation. of the corporation, so I think it's a completely

weak

case, unfortunately I think it's going to achieve what I think is the political purpose which is to inject us into the Republican process.
In fact, I think probably the government's intention here is to help Trump and have all the news focus on this kind of thing for the next few years, uh and uh, you know, turn the Republican primaries into a circus. I mean, is there any doubt? Maybe I'm overstating it in my opening. Is there any doubt that basic thinking? here, uh, the left-wing Democrats don't want Trump back in the White House, full stop or any question about that, I mean, and they'll do anything that's legal, illegal, whatever, they'll do it, that's their final objective, there is no political objective.
There is no help here in the United States there is no wealth, prosperity and happiness you cannot make people go from low income to high income it is to stop Donald Trump. I think there are some Democrats who would like to expel them from the political scene completely because of Trump Derangement Syndrome. and they consider it very dangerous and so on, but I actually think that most Democrats who get involved in this kind of thing really want to run against Trump because they think that whether they're right or wrong, people can debate, but they think they can . beat him and they're actually trying to help him by building support from his base and they feel like that will build their own turnout in Turner, so essentially I think they're playing for a repeat election in 2020.
I mean, I think figure it out halfway. Of Democrats think Trump is the easiest guy to beat in the general election, the other half are so afraid he could win the White House. I don't think they can understand it, you can't. We have it both ways, but you and I can let them decide that we don't have to decide that at least not tonight, so Bill Barr, where is this lead now that we are prosecuting a former president for very dubious reasons? Very small beer, eh, whatever. The technicalities are Where is this advantage? Where is this?
Take this country. Well, you know, this is a fateful step. Know. I have often complained about the use of the criminal justice process and the political arena, but this is for me. there is nothing better, this is the epitome of the abuse of the prosecutor's power to preempt political decisions and therefore discord in the political process and I think that, you know, we will go to Rue, the day we cross this Rubicon there will be more and more. any more of this and you know, it just doesn't end well, it doesn't end well, it really, uh, I think it tears the fabric, I mean, the country is already divided, it's already divided, I know there's different reasons here, I'm sure.
There are some Democrats who are still moderate Democrats who have a different point of view than their far-left brethren. I mean, Bill Barr has this look at people in Britain, Europe, Latin America, Beijing, for example, Vladimir Putin, Moscow. I mean, what does this look like? Doesn't anyone think about those things anymore? I think it makes us look like a Banana Republic and it should now, this is the state of New York and the state of New York has been acting like a Banana Republic, they had that civil suit against Trump and his children's civil suit brought by the state from Journey General that it was a political coup and this increases because it is a criminal case and, you know these cases together, for me I mean the breakdown of the rule of law, uh, in the state of New York, how about the breakdown of the rule of law?
How about the politicization of the rule of law across the country? Bill Barr, that's been happening. You know all of our institutions, Larry, are being politicized, all of them, the media. science medicine uh education uh and people are not doing their jobs in those institutions, they are pursuing a higher political agenda uh and that's why they sacrifice what those institutions should be and that's how we see it now with the breaking of the rule of law where the people will decide the case it is not based on principles and not blindfolded regardless of who it is who is in the dock they are trying to use the law as a political tool and Bill Barr's last question because we are old friends and always respect his wisdom.
How in the name of God can we stop this evil trend and lift this country up? I always say we have so many problems it can be discouraging, but I know the first step back and the first step. Coming back is the step that you and I took together in 1980, when we worked for Ronald Reagan, which is that we have to win. The Republican Party needs to paint a positive vision of where we are going in the future and we need a strong leader who can take the country there and win a decisive victory. Remember when Ronald Reagan ran.
The liberals seemed to be in charge of everything and then a few years later, liberal was a dirty word because the Reagan administration was so successful. you're right, be positive, be constructive, show people there is a way out, William Barr, former attorney general. Thank you very much, we appreciate it, thank you, thank you, Larry, you bet.

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