Daniel-NJ | Best Arguments Against Creationism | The Atheist Experience 26.29

Daniel, he, in New Jersey, yes, wants to ask for us what the

best

scientific argument against

creationism

is. Hi Daniel, you can see why he was excited about this guy. Yeah, hey, how are you? Hey, hey, Daniel, man, how are you? Well, it's very nice to talk to both you and Dave, it's very nice, I mean, go ahead for a while, that's nice, that's very nice, thank you, well, what's your question, Daniel, you, no, no, There, go, hey, Daniel, we thought we had lost you. Sorry, okay, so you want to know what the

best

scientific argument against

creationism

is for us.

Yes I know this might be difficult for you, but if you get in trouble first, I'll bail you out. Don't worry, thank you, I appreciate it, so what is it, what's your thought? Dan, you'll go ahead and articulate your question and then see what Forest has to say about it. Yes, with which I had a conversion. my facts as I go, he's a creationist um, that's where my question came from because when I was trying to explain to him what the word Evolution is, I had a little problem because he came up with questions about the dating process and he said that we don't have fossils of transition and thought Lucy's fossil was the most complete griffin we have and the oldest and most complete or something like that.

I probably don't have enough knowledge to explain everything to you well, so I would like to come back to him with better information okay, yes, so I could answer this question for several hours, but I will be concise. I would just point out the fact that, as you know, there are obviously applications for saying that there are mountains. The amount of evidence for evolution is a gross euphemism as it is more confirmed than gravity, it is crazy how much evidence we have and the fossil record is a very small part of it, as if you could discard all the fossils we have found and we still have an overwhelming amount.

The evidence for the evolution of several other lines of homology embryology of uh uh uh genetics is immense, but the real excitement and also from direct observations we can see that evolution occurs, we can do it in a laboratory, but what is really important to point out is that you know when you get into these discussions and a creationist person wants to point out like, well, you know, I don't trust radiometric dating because some creationists did it wrong and they got the wrong numbers and that means it doesn't work, which is what I hear all the time or you know, we don't have transitional fossils because I decided to never look up what they are because there are billions of them, but I haven't seen them and therefore or with Lucy Lucy gets attacked all the time because Lucy is a specimen of her species, but everyone seems to think she's the only strange monkey we found and therefore we all assume we came from Lucy and that doesn't make sense either.

Instead of analyzing each of those

arguments

and instead of taking the time to educate each of those things, I prefer to simply point out the fact that the best scientific argument against creationism is that there is no scientific argument. for creationism it is not a theory, it is just a statement and even if you could completely discredit evolution if you completely demonstrated that radiometric dating doesn't work, that there is no fun, that all these fossils are just strangely shaped rocks and that there is no fa and every fragment of evolution is completely shattered and we have no idea where we came from.

You haven't done anything yet to support your claims about creationism because first you have to prove that there is a Creator and then you have to prove that that Creator can do the things you say he does, then you have to prove that he did it, you have to do proof. with this Creator, you have to do there is also a lot of work that goes into science, it is not just I think it could be this, let's say all that, and if you could destroy Evolution, you would still have nothing and since creationism has nothing, there is no scientific evidence, there is no evidence whatsoever for this Creator or for any of the things that you claim He did, um and so on.

We just talked a minute ago with this so-called problem of evil. If we're going to say there's a creator who has a lot of baggage with Evolution, you know, death and destruction and random horrible events, those are just random horrible events. that happens in nature there's no one behind the wheel no one is at the controls and those things guide the process and it's not good or bad, you're just telling me that there is a sentient consciousness that is making all this happen, that guy is an idiot like that now you have more problems you have to deal with on top of all this Daniel, what was Daniel saying?

What was he? You were choppy. He was a family member. I think he was arguing with you about evolution. but what was his main argument for creation, they only have things against evolution, go ahead Daniel, yes, there was the captivism about evolution because he doesn't know how it works, therefore, recreation is right and he also is okay. I had trouble explaining how the dating process works, yeah, like you're wondering how they know these X fossils date back millions of years because they know air exists. Yeah, that was for Forest, that was for Force point. They don't have an argument for creationism, they just want to argue. against Evolution and then therefore saying by default then the Bible must be true and that is what we call the fallacy or this is right or that is right and there is nothing in between it would be like me saying I have a gift of Christmas and I didn't buy it, therefore Santa must be real because those are the only two options that don't make any sense, and on top of all that, it's also very important to point out that this is just one side, there isn't just one.

Dating Method There are many ways we date things and we usually do more than two or three of them for comparison. You know, there is radiometric dating, but a lot of times people can use the word carbon dating to refer to everything radiometric. carbon dating only works on some things, sometimes there are other atoms, other forms of radiometric dating, you can make uranium, you can make potassium, you can tell us all kinds of things, there is also dendroconological dating, where we make tree rings and there are also biostratigraphic dating, where we use the age of the rocks and then measure as if the different fossils were here, so these definitely came from.

There are whole laws of satigraphy and laws of superposition that tell us how it works. There are fission tracks dating back to where we tested. how atoms disintegrate and leave little cracks and little marks and crystals and we can use paleomagnetic dating or we can measure the ancient spin of the most magnetic poles there is thermoluminescent dating where we can look at like ancient ceramics that ancient ancient cultures make and heat them up a lot and see how much light comes out of them because of the heat and that tells us when and so on, there are so many different ways we can do this, but for us no, no, no, if they contradict the Bible chronologically then they are wrong and can't be trusted in them, that's what's good, I hope so, Daniel, I would, it was pretty much yes, I would recommend looking at, uh, there's a lot, sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Daniel.

Sorry Joseph, he just said: I don't believe in the Earth of your soul, therefore science is wrong, well that's the problem when you talk to family members who base their understanding of science on Bible, which is is not a scientific document in any way uh so that's the point I was jokingly making with Forest is that when that contradicts the biblical genealogy uh and the history of that is in the Bible like the history of the Bible six thousand years old. so you're ready, you have to believe in one or the other and they have problems when, when, when, the day I remember when I was a Christian and I, I would think that then these carbon dating must be wrong, how do we know that they are accurate?

How do we know they can be trusted? How do we know that scientists aren't just making things up that he was saying? Yes, that's the only argument they have and the more the problem is, the more the science shows us because the science is moving. In the future, we learn more all the time and as our understanding of our history continues to increase, I mean the pictures that you are getting now from space and the origins of the universe, this will continue to increase and improve, and the Bibles have every more and more problems because it's going to contradict the biblical narrative more and more and more and more and more evidence will be presented in no way more metaphors if they say that everything is a meta for when it's turning out to be wrong, yes, for thousands of years, people.

I've believed it was real, but now all of a sudden we all know it's a metaphor and it's been right all along, so yeah, it's going to continue to move in favor of what we're saying and people like me. brother, who came to me again, my pastor brother, uh, trying to debunk evolution and telling me that there is scientific evidence of creation and I'm really holding my breath to see this because I can't, I can't. I can't imagine what it could be, but I just moved and got your Nobel Prize, yeah, let's take a look at this because it's going to be groundbreaking, but anyway we'll see and that's another, that's one more thing, very quickly.

Before I let you go, Daniel, something really important to point out is that evolution is the central theory of biology and you know it's important to remember what the word theory means. Theory does not mean that the gas theory is a functional explanation of what is observed. natural phenomena that are backed by the best evidence we have, so if anyone ever asks you if evolution is a theory, just say yes, just like gravity in cells and germs and plate tectonics and the Earth revolving around the Sun and all these other theories, yeah. Absolutely, uh, but the important thing is to remember that they are following you and you know, yeah, the most important thing to remember is that you know, as Odysseus Dosensky said, that nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution if you don't have The Evolution biology is just a bunch of random facts that make no sense or difference from each other and this is just crap that you have to memorize, but with Evolution all these threads intertwine into a beautiful tapestry of life and it all makes sense. sudden and you can make predictions very quickly and you can run tests and suddenly biology becomes science and not just record keeping, you know, and that's why it's the central principle of biology and without evolution you don't have medicine.

You don't have farming, you don't have a working life at all, well call Daniel, good luck talking to your theistic relatives and friends, just educate yourself as much as you can because the sciences are on our side, the evidence is on our side, yeah, since then. I was raising an evangelical family, I mean, I told the billionaires what the hell it's thousands of years old. I've been trying to educate myself as much as possible once I got out of that rabbit hole, so yeah, that's the best way to do it, keep listening to the smart ones. people like Forest you will learn a lot no, no, I don't have much to do, I can't, I can't help you much, but there are smart people out there, but thanks for the call, Daniel, I appreciate it. of course guys, I love you always and take good care of yourselves, man, take care of yourselves, bye later, what a good guy, yeah, he's just trying, he's trying to get you to know, educate yourself and yeah, I just want to, I want to tell people, yeah , exactly and uh.

He comes from a background where he didn't really put much faith in science or learning. You start with the Bible and try to make the answers fit the Bible and that's exactly the other way around.