Parece que estaban dando malas noticias cuando anunciaron la detención de Ovidio: Anabel Hernández

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, a journalist specialized in security, crime, she is the author of the book Los Señores del del Narco. Anabel, it is always a pleasure to greet you and with gratitude for your good disposition towards this space. On the contrary, thank you, thank you and greetings to the audience, Anabel. see like everyone else but you as an expert in the matter I imagine that you have reached conclusions Or at least important reflections after what happened yesterday and I would like to start with what we experienced in this country two operations, both successful, one in Ciudad Juárez another in Culiacán but practically simultaneously I would like I would like your first opinion practically simultaneously what do you tell us about it Well, if I were to see the two events completely separately, I don't think there is a connection between one and the other, I think that on the subject of the City Juárez, it was the least that could be done given this scandalous escape and riot that occurred in the prison.

It is truly shameful, humiliating for an authority to allow impunity to reach that level within the prisons in Mexico, it is really a situation of minimal chorus that The serious thing here is that they killed this leader of the Mexica and did not present him to the authorities. Maybe because he had a lot to tell about the complicity with local authorities that allowed him to have these luxuries and this impunity in prison, it is not incredible that you record it here, it is that they murdered him and not presented him alive and on the other hand, we have the case of Ovidio Guzmán López, which is a something totally separate that I would say that even according to the information that I have been obtaining, well apart even Beyond the will or not of the president of the republic and the Secretary of National Defense, the information that I have been collecting in this case is that there would be There has been some type of participation, help either in terms of intelligence, intelligence information from the United States government to help carry out this operation on eh Ovidio Guzmán Guzmán López the face that we saw yesterday of General Sandoval The Secretary of National Defense Almost almost of mourning while he was giving what for many could be a success for the government, it seems that he was giving bad news if one focuses on this evasive attitude of the president.

Almost almost, I didn't know, no, they will explain to you later what is happening despite the serious problems of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of and of of of of of of of of of of of and of of of of of of of of of of of of and of of of of of of of of of of and of of of of of of of of of of of the of of of of the of of of the of of of the of of of the of of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the of of the insecurity that they were exploiting there in Culiacán the president of the republic says well there they will explain themselves others do not inform me that there are operations no and then the evasiveness of the governor of Sinaloa also like washing his hands and throwing the little ball No I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't I didn't even know now no one knew why Well because really a hot potato this issue of the capture of Ovid without a doubt cannot be underestimated it's one every drug trafficker that has stopped because it is a positive thing for society here the issue is the consequences that this could bring towards the network of complicity with which the chapitos had operated for many years, particularly in 2016 17 18 19 20 21 And two thousand and twenty-two because let's not forget that this criminal organization formed by the children of Chapo Guzmán, well, it enjoyed all the impunity in Culiacán in Sinaloa and in other parts of Mexico.

Well, this is what many also question but also because they give it credit. to the Federal Government to the president of the republic to the armed forces not because they say Well then about the culiacanazo because they already saw with yesterday's events that it was not such And in any case we resume the strategy to arrest this man who for security reasons for society for the civil population there in Culiacán at that time in that year we had to abort if you heard me or I'll ask you again Now yes yes yes please I told you that the apprehension or re-apprehension must be made very clear the re-apprehension of of Ovidio therefore confirms or confirms that for many also that President López Obrador and the armed forces acted Well, I don't know whether to use the term responsibly to avoid a massacre at that time the first time there among the civilian population in the city ​​of Culiacán but that the intention of both the president of the first president of President López Obrador and of all the armed forces was definitely to have the son of Chapo.

What would you tell us about it? Well, look here, what you say is very interesting because there are many contradictions in all these speeches and positions of the Federal Government. On the one hand, we have a government that during these years has done zero, that is to say, about the Culiacanazo, now it has done zero to dismantle the criminal network of the Chapitos. There have been no important confiscations of property. There have been confiscations of bank accounts, for example, there is a subject that we will surely hear about in the coming days, weeks or months, who is Néstor Isidro Pérez Salas alias El Nini, who is a young man more or less the same age as Iván Guzmán Salazar, who is the real one. leader of the chapitos, the citizens should be told that what the international secretary said yesterday is false.

I have in my possession at least fifteen and sixteen reports from the Sedena dated between two thousand sixteen and the most recent 2022 where at all times it is stated in These reports that I have here in my hands that Iván Guzmán Salazar, the half-brother of Ovidio Guzmán López, is the real one and leader of the Chapitos. The power ladder of the Chapitos is in first place as leader, Iván Guzmán Salazar is followed by his brother Alfredo Guzmán. Salazar children procreated by El Chapo and his first wife Alexandreina Salazar and then in a third fourth level there are Joaquín Guzmán López and Ovidio Guzmán López, two of the children that El Chapo fathered with Griselda López, that is, the blow that is dealt to the cartel of Sinaloa because it is really not very significant number one And number two if it were as significant as the government says if this man Ovidio was really causing so much violence and is the reason why they are detaining her why does she not have a preliminary investigation open in Mexico the arrest that is carried out against Ovidio And that is where I repeat, the Mexican government is like, I am very sorry, no.

They almost almost forced me, I didn't want to, it is that there is no criminal accusation, there is no open file in the attorney general's office of the republic for the crimes committed by the chapitos it is incredible that they have been executing people for years kidnapping people terrorizing in Culiacán the culiacanazo for example let's not go any further and that to this day they do not have Ovidio a criminal file a criminal accusation in Mexico the accusations that the Chapitos, the reward that is offered for them is in the United States, not in Mexico.

Let's not forget that. It seems to me that this detention is almost involuntary, I would say, in the days left to be able to really understand how the operation was. Who really participated and who had no idea what was happening to be able to understand this but rather according to the information that I have been obtaining from Mexican army sources is that it was a very closed operation driven in a very important by the United States government by the DEA that in the way who would have provided the intelligence information And where to high authorities what the president said what the governor of Sinaloa said they did not know what was happening it seems that the difference between the operation where Ovidio was freed and the current operation Well, the president did not call on the phone to really have him freed.

What we saw yesterday is a very serious thing and I think that regardless of what we deal with in the coming days, how occurred and who really made the decision to stop Ovidio, we should be analyzing the consequences that this could have. Leave it to the corrupt officials or politicians who have reached their positions. Thanks to the support of, if not, we should be thinking about the consequences that this can have. have for citizens for civil society because according to these fifteen reports from Sedena if there is a faction of the Sinaloa Cartel that is violent and Rebel, they are precisely the chapitos that have a presence in at least seven states of the republic And that the mini This man that I mentioned Néstor Isidro Pérez Salas el Nini is the head of the hitmen of the chapitos, he is practically the boss in Culiacán and according to these reports from the Sedena, he is one of those who caused all the violence that occurred in Culiacán in celebration in Acapulco at and Los Reyes del Hogar Bueno, I return to talk with Anabel Herná

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, journalist, specialist in organized crime, drug trafficking, author, among many texts, of the book, the senators, the drug lords. from the break Anabel Hernández You are very pessimistic and you take away all unprecedented credit from the federal authorities after yesterday's successful operations my dear Anabel what do you answer No, I was commenting with you Of course the arrest of any drug trafficker is an important thing beneficial for society, that is something that cannot be ignored and I have commented on it, it was what I commented on in my first part of the participation here, the issue is being able to elucidate what drives this capture, however it has happened, it is serious, I repeat that that Ovidio is not wanted by the Mexican justice system despite all the crimes he is accused of, but rather that he is wanted by the justice system of the United States.

Here, citizens with criteria with vision with minimal reasoning questions would have to ask themselves: Why the Chapitos do not have open criminal files in Mexico is a question that I ask myself. I hope perhaps some of the authorities in Mexico can explain to us Why they are going to Why are they only detaining Ovidio Guzmán for an arrest warrant for the purposes of extradition and not because of criminal files opened in Mexico that the authorities do not have the courage to open files against the chapitos or it does not matter what crimes they commit. That is where as citizens we have to ask ourselves why this is an anomaly that has happened, not now it is a a very constant anomaly since Fox Calderón Peña Nieto they arrest drug traffickers And instead of having justice under the weight of Justice of the Show that the justice system in Mexico works they send them extradited to the United States like hot potatoes and then that is why there is so much impunity and then that is why these cells are not completely dismantled in Mexico, what I am pointing out and it is important to say it because if the population is not deceived, it is that Ovidio is not the leader of the chapidos that the chapitos, the loss of Ovidio is not significant that the chapitos are and go Archivaldo and Alfredo are the heads of this criminal organization and they are at the head and Alfredo at the second level where this organization has tens of hundreds of hitmen dispersed in various parts of Mexico whose leader of the hitmen is Nini Here I have this report where it says that the Sedena participated with a balance of five dead and ten wounded on September 30, 2016 and in the actions to free Ovidio Guzmán on October 17, 2019 to be able to truly celebrate the complete arrest of these drug traffickers This government would have to do what the other governments did not do is to fundamentally dismantle the criminal organizations.

We saw nothing with Fox, we saw it with Calderón, they arrest drug traffickers and for every one they arrest, another ten come out here, what is really needed, above all for protection of the citizens because I do not think that Iván Archivaldo, the glass brother, is going to stay with his arms crossed. According to these files, they describe him as a really very violent man, what we saw yesterday about the shootings of shooting at commercial airplanes where evidently Ordinary citizens were passengers. It is a terrorist act if we do not put into the right dimension what we are facing as citizens.

And what the government is facing and that it is too early to celebrate. We are not understanding the circumstances. We are talking about a criminal group. The Sinaloa Cartel has a presence in 27 states of the republic, the Sinaloa cartel is divided into two main factions, the main most powerful majority is that of Ismael El Mayo Zambada and the second is that of the chapitos con el guano with Aureliano Guzmán Loera, who is Chapo Guzmán's brother to say that you arrested a member of this organization is not to say that his forceful blow to the Sinaloa Cartel is that they do not come to us with the stories that García Luna told us and that they told us there in the Peña Nieto government.

We must be realistic and inform society what is happening because if not then disappointments or misinformation come. Here we are talking about a criminal group that can deal a very serious blow to the authorities and to the citizens that can put several cities in check. this country, that is why it is important to say the magnitude of how things are And of course ask the government if they already did it and it is good that they did it without a doubt regardless of what the reasons were voluntarily involuntarily they did it is stopped How good but Now they have to go and dismantle the rest of the network because if they don't dismantle it it is just adding gunpowder to a rather explosive situation or then you say there is a risk that as revenge they could now react against the authorities and the civilian population.

I'm going to tell you here is one of the reports thatI have intelligence from Sedena. There is a subtitle called antagonisms of the Mexican state in the northwest region and it is a report that talks about the firepower of the chapitos just so that people can understand that this story is just beginning here They are designing, you will remember that in 2016, when Joaquín Guzmán was the father of the chapitos, he was arrested for the last time, there was a division within the Sinaloa Cartel, a war was already beginning between the chapitos and ladies or López túñez, according to This report that I have here in my possession from the Sedena, due to this war in Sinaloa, intentional homicides increased by 22%, illegal deprivations of liberty increased by 12%, vehicle theft increased by 50% and all this according to This report, Sedena attributes it to the chapitos, that is their capacity for violence.

What we saw yesterday about this terrible cowardly incident, it must be said about the murder of the Colonel of this military command with his people there in the middle of this reaction. of the chapitos for the capture of Ovidio he is telling us a series of things of elements that it is early to applaud it is important to have the serenity to be waiting What are the events that follow yesterday supposedly was what I understood At least that is He insinuated that there were more detainees than El Chapito, which I mean than Ovidio. Well, I hope they tell us who these detainees are.

Maybe there is more good news that they haven't given us. Maybe all the brothers are already there or this Nini. Tell us why If they do not tell us and do not fundamentally dismantle this criminal organization, they will confiscate their weapons, they will confiscate their resources, they will arrest Aureliano, they will come there, they will go to the archives where they have Alfredo, the arrest of Ovidio will not mean anything. Hey, I want to conclude with this, we have two minutes. Thank you, Anabel, describe Monterrey. Anabel, let's see, but before the operation, after this six-month reconnaissance, surveillance and intelligence investigation work in Culiacán, she says how is it that the authorities, the army, did not know about all this that you mentioned, it is interesting to choose, they must also know this that you You point out, no, Anabel Well, in fact, in fact, what I am pointing out are reports from the Sedena, that is why this information that I am pointing out to you about the capacity for violence of the chapitos and of all these armed groups that they have are precisely reports from the Secretariat of National Defense.

Here it is interesting because in part of these reports there is a report from August of last year where the United States government and the seals come there in August 2022 the United States government had already begun to intercept conversations of members of the Sinaloa Cartel that in the conversation with Oscar Mario Beteta well I return to the final part of this talk with Anabel Hernández thank you Anabel I offer you an apology but you see that here the guillotine us Anabel but well as a summary They just tuned us in anywhere in the country or the world, not through the networks, you already know the Formula group application, we get anywhere very well But well, said Anabel Hernández, as an expert I am going to say it in my words and you do not correct me, you do not detract from the government to the armed forces to all these two operations eh almost simultaneous that what I am understanding you define it as well a lucky coincidence No nothing more but but what you say is that El Chapo is not the key to his organization but rather two other characters and also Then they wrote to you, I don't know if it's from Monterrey or Tampico, either one of the two because I only get comments like this.

This I think was the last one from Monterrey and they told you, Listen to all this that you say, Anabel, I assure you that after the work of reconnaissance of six-month intelligence investigation surveillance in the State of Sinaloa, the authorities must also be aware, well, and you gave your answer, Anabel, yes, what Oscar Mario was commenting on is that according to this information that appears in the databases of The Sedena since at least August 2, the United States government was sending information that consisted of coordinates consisted of transcripts of conversations between members of the Sinaloa Cartel, one of them who had direct contact with Ovidio Guzmán Loera, it would be interesting to see that Guzmán López Perdón would be It is interesting to see what the help has been, the help that this information and other information that the United States government provided has meant, but here the really important thing is not to fall into easy readings, many people will say we should applaud.

I think it is soon to stop I think that's one thing It's good that they arrested this drug trafficker regardless of whether it was voluntary involuntary whether it was an order from the president or it was an operation as had been done in the first one in that operation in 2019 but without without instructions from the secretary of national defense and without the knowledge of the president Well, just as it was done in 2019, it is likely that the same thing happened yesterday because the surprise of the president and the secretary and the governor of Sinaloa and the contradictions and the different versions that they threw together speak of this that they probably did not know as they did not know in 2019 but beyond that here the importance is really to fundamentally dismantle the organization of the chapitos because Ovid was only a small member the real head of this organization the real strong arm the one who really orders the hitmen the one who has the money the one who has the connections for the trafficking of cocaine and drugs and synthetic drugs from the United States is and van Archivaldo who is the leader of this group of brothers called the chapitos And that is until they are really dismantled, this is the entire network of the chapitos that the government could sing Victory in the first place And secondly it is only to try to give a much more serene panorama to the population to the societies you will remember in the time of Felipe Calderón how sometimes García Luna himself stopped the Barbie and they arrested some members of the Beltrán Leyva and they were crowned with with with with with flowers not of triumph these arrests were not always They mean that there has been no complicity, so much so that Edgar Valdez Villarreal himself, still detained by García Luna, denounced that there was a long period in which he had paid bribes, so here it is not about blaming or exonerating anyone here, what it is about is investigate the truth And if it is true that the government wants to attack Now yes the Sinaloa cartel and now dismantle the group of the chapitos it is not enough with Ovidio we really have to dismantle the entire organization that remains Untouchable they say well Anabel I hope not react violently against the civilian population and authorities and well And to conclude Anabel Hernández and always Thank you for your willingness to use this space Look, let's go, I want to summarize some comments that coincide from the Auditorium, let's see, I hope, I hope that it does Well, they say, I hope that the two operations Yesterday's successful people mark a before and after in relation to the strategy of hugs not bullets that should be seen from now on only Look how interesting only as an alternative or prerogative that they offer if you listen to me Anabel well don't you listen to me there I listen to you I'll get you back Yes yes I have heard you, I have heard you, yes, there must have been something, there must have been something about yesterday as a before and after in relation to the strategy of hugs, not bullets, which should now be just a kind of alternative or prerogative that they offer as an alternative to these criminals, but that if they do not accept it then they go with everything well well interesting what this reflection this reflection that some member of your audience makes is fundamental and it is fundamental because what we saw yesterday all this capacity for fire of the chapitos this violence in the airport against civilians etcetera etcetera is clear proof that this policy of hugs does not work drug traffickers do not understand with hugs if the government thought that the chapitos were going to be generous because they let them do whatever they want they are wrong what we saw yesterday are the consequences about how the chapitos became empowered after October 17, 2019 when they managed to bring the government to its knees worldwide.

What we saw yesterday are the consequences of this permissive attitude towards criminal organizations and I hope, as you say, as this person says. the hearing that effectively yesterday marked a before and after We will see that remains to be seen that is why I repeat it is not the time to celebrate but to be warning and asking the number one government to protect the civilian population number one to protect their public officials who do not become cannon fodder so that these people are massacring them number three that they dismantle the entire organization of the chapitos as soon as possible regardless of how uncomfortable it may be for them to begin to be able to reveal some of the complicities with some members of the Morena party that we have talked about this before, the event that occurred yesterday does not rule out, it does not eliminate, that complicity that is why I put this example of of of of of of García Luna with the Barbie that García Luna and his federal police have detained The Barbie It did not mean or erase the previous complicity between them, the same thing happens with what happened yesterday that Ovidio was arrested does not detract from the complicity of the chapitos and members of the Sinaloa Cartel with important members of morena And that is where the government has to demonstrate precisely that it is a government for Mexicans regardless of whose interests these arrests affect well Anabel Hernández Thank you very much then in conclusion from your opinion and as an expert you say to confirm that what happened yesterday marks a before and after because they would have to lead to out other and new arrests of the great leaders of these cartels facts not facts absolutely I appreciate your time always for this space eh A hug thanks to you thanks to the audience See you later thanks Anabel Hernández