‘Jail time might need to happen’: Andrew Weissmann on Trump continuing to violate gag orders

Andrew, let me just ask because Trump has shown us that he is incapable of change, which is why he went on strike inside the courthouse like anyone else. He never planned for that to be the only way to eliminate jurors, that's never the plan, is it? Sheos and Ruby Freeman are never actually found to have done anything Rudy Giuliani said they did. They were passing out Ginger Mints quotes but were harassed. They were afraid to leave their house. They were intimidated. I mean, they always use a gangster's tool book for intimidation. and shape events and I have to say and this won't feel good, but it works and they did this and it works, she's no longer on the jury, is it too late to stop Trump from making the jury he wants?

It's not too late, but if I were the judge in this case, I think it's one where you obviously have to respect the rule of law and prosecute, in other words, you don't stoop to the level of um. action involving a defendant, obviously that's not the appropriate response, but you can't sit there and say I'm going to tolerate this, you know who has the right to have the rule of law, the people of the state of New York, um. in whose name this case was brought, the district attorney is entitled to the rule of law and a fair trial.

Jurors who feel intimidated have the right to, just like your analogy with um Sheos and Ruby Freeman, they have the right to serve on a jury without worrying about fear, and I think, by the way, this is an area where my experience in the courtroom and dealing with judges is that if there is a red line for judges, it will be jurors, the

need

to maintain them. Safe and secure, so it will be very interesting to see how Judge Maron reacts to this, but I think the road to hell in this country will be to think that the exact same rules should not apply to Donald.

Trump as I would with any other defendant, I think he is not doing anyone any favors by doing that and it may be something that he is getting, the judge, doing it, it may be something for political reasons that he wants to have. What

happen

s, that's irrelevant, that's the effect, that's what

need

s to be addressed right now and I think this is something. I think all eyes are really on Judge Maran because he's going to set the tone for how this trial is going to play out and it's clear that Donald Trump is evidence Tes in the sense that right now Sue Craig you were in and around the courthouse, the judge, the defendant, the jurors and the jurors in perspective, today you know, I mean, tell me what the type of um.

Obviously, the conscience is among the journalists covering this, they know what

happen

ed, they know what Jesse Water and I just want to make sure everyone knows why Jessy Waters smeared the jury: getting information from Google from the New York Times and believing that no one is above the law. and then she raises her head and says, I don't think so, not really, so I mean, what are they looking for? No, and I think most of the jurors responded that way. I think the problem that I saw today and and the judge took some action, we don't know if it's enough, but the problem is that they have potential jurors that come into the box and we can hear their answers and Donald Trump and the government know who their names are and they are they ask them some questions they ask them their name or not so that's one thing they don't ask them but they ask them where they work so I work at the New York Times and I'm single and the list goes down to the point where we can identify to some of them and I think that was the problem, especially where they work, and the woman who came today was worried because some friends had called her and said: are you on the jury and the jury number? came in and was actually recused, some issues arose about his integrity and we don't know why he was ultimately recused because it happened outside of his media reach, but he also said he was concerned that he

might

be identified and they have taken some steps, They no longer have someone to identify their employer, now the judge stopped that and then they also told us that we couldn't, you know, say or write anything that hadn't been read. the record so we can say we know they are lawyers, but we can't say they had a New York Rangers cap and a jean jacket, so they're trying to take some action, but yes or no. is enough, I don't know, I mean, someone left on Tuesday and came back on Thursday and I was thinking better about this, we went from 7 to 5: you know, tomorrow we could be reductive again and you know, while you're in the court knows that I was late because the court was frozen for an hour because there were jurors in the hallway, they're taking a lot of precautions, but I still saw the jurors come in this morning, there was just a lot going on. there are people lining up everywhere they are trying to attract the media they are trying to get hundreds of jurors to the floors of the building they are frozen it is very chaotic down there and things happen, mistakes happen, I think the staff is doing it and they are doing it.

You're trying to do your best job, but occasionally people like me end up on a floor full of jurors and we see them, I mean, I guess the difference would be that you didn't go on TV, identify them, and disqualify Jud, and some people

might

. , and that is. The concern is not that the concern is that there may not be honest brokers who find themselves in a situation where something accidentally happens. I mean the idea of ​​coming home and having your friends and family say you know, the oncology nurse I mean, this is what I mean, I agree that it can make you wonder if you can be completely objective because then you sort of eliminate what your friends and family think and, but there's also this fear, let me show you. what michael cohen said over the weekend how do you feel going into this week? stressed and nervous, you know there is a fringe of American populists who are so necessary deep in the cult of Donald Trump, the attacks are relentless because that is what he does, he attacks the judge he attacks the judge's daughter he attacks the witnesses attacks anyone and everyone again thinking this is a positive strategy it doesn't work so yeah, I'm worried and a little, you know, a little apprehensive, you and I know that he's never at a loss for words um and I'm sure that his family is also nervous and Michael Koh is in a slightly different position, he is a star witness to the events and how this secret money worked and how Donald Trump paid him, I mean, but he also appeared under subpoena, I mean no.

I would be there voluntarily, right, and you know there has to be, you know there is, and I want to push Andrew and Tim on the other side. Do you know how much a jury and their family can be kidnapped from everything that happens on the phone? One thing we haven't mentioned is happening in the courtroom and Donald Trump was criticized the other day by the judge who was there. A juror came in and was gesturing toward this woman and the judge yelled at him for it. I mean, he's trying everything he can and I think the judge is trying not to sanction him at this point, he doesn't want to give him any more ammunition, but this is the push and pull that's going on in that courtroom right now, live.

I mean, we're selecting more jurors right now and I can see some of them coming tomorrow. and we probably think better of it and, you know, who knows what we're not seeing from that overflow room, there are very few people in the courtroom right now, it's full of jurors and some reporters, so there's a lot of things that Maybe they don't even understand what's happening, it's amazing. Hello everyone, MSNBC has a new and improved app. They will receive alerts and analysis in real

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