Nigel Farage v James O'Brien - Interview In Full - LBC

when you are listening to LBC you may also be watching it. I think we've turned the cameras on at lbc.com, but an unexpected guest in the studio this morning. I don't know if you were listening to Nigel Farage's phone with Nick Ferrari. Last week, if you were one, you might have heard this and I was wondering what it feels like to keep getting calls. Yeah, I mean, this is the political class united, using their comrades in the media and doing everything they can to stop the UK. position and because we have some idiots in our party like, by the way, in every other party, you know, someone somewhere in England said something stupid or offensive on Twitter at midnight, um, and this is considered representative of the vision of the party Nigel Farage is with me now, should we start with today's idiots, should we and then move on to what you mean about the political class and their friends in the media? uh we have John Lynden Sullivan, I think overnight, uh, it's Emer tweeted I'd rather have him be an advisor of yours at gler.

I often wonder if we shot a computer if the next 99 would collectively decide that they weren't after all, then we might conclude that it's not a question of genetics but rather it's more a question of upbringing. Admittedly, it is a fairly small piece in the ukip machine. It's not a description you can apply to your small business spokesperson, who this morning turned out to have employed seven illegal immigrants in the past year. Well, they are two different things. No, I mean, first of all, I don't know if you're both idiots, first of all, first of all, people are talking nonsense, uh, yeah, of course, we've had more than we'd like, uh, but hey , wait a second, what's going on in the other one. parties, I mean, we just had new ones.

I'll ask them when they're here, Nigel, but I'm making the point that no one ever asks them and that's the point I want to make: I'm perfectly happy for us. have a debate about our idiots and our people being offensive, so what's wrong with John Lyon Sullivan? So, because of that tweet, hey, he's not a councilor, he's a council candidate. I think he's already on the council. Don't know. I haven't heard of his name. He put you in the party newspaper. I didn't hear correctly. There is a big difference between being on the ballot and being an elected councillor.

You know, one comes after the other. If we had had him, he is an elected. Counselor, are you okay? He didn't know we had people, so what's wrong with him now? Wait, he will face a disciplinary charge if he brought the party to the District which was on February 17th, right? I don't know, okay? What about the spokesperson for the small business that employs seven illegal immigrants? Well, I think be a little careful with that story. They know that he founded a company of which he is no longer a director of which he runs his son.

They have a big r going. he resigned to be clear as a director of the company three days after the immigration raid, yes I know, yes, he resigned as a director after immigration, he is not managing, yes, but he was not responsible for the day-to-day running of However, I spoke to him this morning and he says that they did checks and that they are in dispute with the immigration authorities and that they have filed an appeal, so we will have to see how it plays out, but that doesn't make him an idiot you know what makes him good good , we don't know, you know, let's find out what's going on here maybe someone in his business made a mistake I don't believe for a moment he would have made that KN seven mistakes I do I don't believe for a moment he would have done that knowing he was running as a candidate for us in the European elections.

My argument, James, is this: wherever we have found people who have held extremely racist and unpleasant views, we have unceremoniously gotten rid of them. I have tried to protect the Party by making it absolutely clear that anyone who has previously been a member of the BMP or organizations like it cannot even join as a member and present the views of a handful of people as representatives of the UK frankly. Isn't it the truth? Well, what about your associations with the BMP? If we go back to 1997, when you had lunch with a CH named Divin who, as you know, is responsible for writing an amazing book, I mean his exposé of Jews in the media called you mindbenders.

You were photographed with him. It was reported at the time that you are a man who often used words like nickname and the n-word for which Jeremy Clarkson recently got into trouble in the pub after committee meetings and a month later. lunch D wrote an article for the far-right newspaper Spearhead suggesting that the BMP and ukip sleep together. How did something like this happen? Because the guy brought Mr. div to the center of the UK team at the time when he was the leader. um and it turned out to be something very different and I've never seen him since that day well, no, the lunch you had with him was after he was expert, yeah, I wanted to know why, find out why, why someone like him who had been introduced to me as a great academic.

He was going to make a big difference, but you had already seen what he had written. The great plan. The origins of non-white immigration. I wanted to find out what had made someone change their From my point of view, nothing more than that, I haven't spoken to him since, as for the accusations, you know, that's what I said in a pub after the council meetings. committee, you won't find any other member of that committee making that accusation. Alan has the information found. Yes, I know very well, you just said that you wouldn't find anyone else. The founder of his party has made the same accusation.

He was the person who made the accusation. No one else has made the accusation. Mr. Divon did not make the accusation that Dr. Sced made. the accusation and you know, in politics you know that all kinds of disappointments happen to people and they throw mud, yes, of course, so what about the mud that has been thrown at the far-right parties that you deal with? Do you feel in Europe, the Danish people? the real Finnish party, the Dutch SGP and perhaps most interesting is the leanord. I believe you co-chair that group with Franchesco Speroni. He described Anders Braik as someone whose ideas are in defense of Western civilization.

No, he actually he didn't. he did not make him one of its members and we kicked him out of the group no, no, you are thinking of Maria Borazio, who went further and said in a radio

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that Bravic had some excellent ideas, but Speroni himself, who is his co-president . This group said that Bra's ideas are in defense of Western civilization. If you came with me to Italy, Poland or Slovakia and listened to the political discourse, you would realize how incredibly different it is from what we would consider acceptable in this country. country, what I have done in the European Parliament is try to draw a line and say that we will not sit with people who we believe are on the extremes, we will sit with people who we believe now have a reasonable view of Balan. let's be honest we have had a problem in this group with one or two members of the northern league why don't you leave it uh well we could leave it um and and in fact we made sure that Mr.

Begazo left our group but I still want to say you know that the conservative party had the guy who celebrated the SS invasion of the Baltic states and we've said and I'm sure you know why don't you leave him why didn't we say we won't sit down You know, with the National Front and parties like the Freedom Party of Austria we have made this perfectly clear. You know, we are not a party that wants to be associated with the far right, but I promise you that if you look at the associations, everyone has to do it.

From the European Parliament a certain degree of commitment is needed, well this is what brings us to the question about the political class that you refer to in your description of my fears about some of the positions that ukip seems to represent because everyone Your defense so far has been good: we are no different from any other political party, and yet your only selling point to many of your fans and followers is that you are different, so I think the phrase you used was that the members of the political class and their friends in the media, so let's review that you currently write columns for the Express and the Independent every week.

Yes, you've been on Question Time, I think in recent months more often than anyone except David Dimble, the private detective. He reported that some of his medical bills are paid by one of the owners, wait, wait, I'm not going to have this problem. I'm not going to have a responsible threat towards me, you know, live on the radio, my doctor, my medical bills have not been paid. by no one, except partly by myself, more than I could afford, and the rest by an insurer. Will they take legal action against private parties? I can do it right now.

It may surprise you. I'm busy running an election campaign. I'll think about that later, okay, I'm too busy to know who's in the counseling group. You are under your own flag. I run a political party. I don't manage it. I don't direct the daily management of it, eh, but I. make sure we stick to our principles and we have and your principles involve both the political class and the political class, you know, I was in business, I got into politics motivated primarily by a desire and that's not for the UK. be part of a political union run by the bureaucrats in Brussels now, whether you agree or disagree with that, I have actually given up and sacrificed a huge amount to achieve it, because the last business you were involved in was I think that you resigned as a company. secretary 6 weeks before the Treasury liquidated it uh no, that was the last company of which I was a director.

Well, the last company I ran was my own company, which I ran for nine years and which closed with a good reputation. So you were not secretary of the Farage company. I was company secretary and you resigned for six weeks. It was a non-income related job. They did not pay me. They didn't pay me a cent to be the company secretary because they owed the company $120,000. There was no money in the Treasury to pay you for anything I did. I did the job doing a favor for someone in my family. It wasn't paid, it wasn't, but you represent yourself, Nigel, very effectively as an alternative to the cronyism and corruption of the city. and you were secretary of a company that was wound up by the Treasury due to over £120,000 in revenue bad bad bad good, so what would you like to correct?

The company has not been dissolved. Hang second to the company. It's not my company, it's someone else's company and I don't own any shares in the company. I was doing someone a favor without getting paid. The company, far from going into liquidation, actually said we have a responsibility to make sure our tax bill is paid and it's actually being paid with earned income, so internal revenue is getting double the money they would have gotten at the time. beginning after the liquidation order was issued. Yes, the company does not have to be clear. It does not have a city behind it The company has not closed properly The company still exists It is active and is dedicated to paying the money it owes after the Public Treasury issued the liquidation order Have you ever worked in a private company Do you know that people have success and people have failed.

I am an ordinary person. I don't understand how there are 4.8 million people running small businesses. I bet a lot of them are listening to this now and a lot of them would have had ups and downs a lot of them would have had cash flow problems some of them would have had businesses that didn't work out but a later one did Myself in the private sector R mi company for 9 years without any difficulties or problems and the point is that I came to do this because I want to get involved in the big political debates and issues of the day and the frustration is this and I'm not going to tell you this because it doesn't matter where I go.

The only thing everyone wants to talk about is the idiots in the UK, there is never a conversation about the idiots in my Labor party, the five councilors who have just resigned over charges of racism, to be honest I never hear you say anything more of your question about your own party and The problem is that we are not having a debate about the European United Nations. People are not concerned that the Labor Party or the Conservative Party are spreading racist propaganda. Why did the Conservative Party get a former BMP activist to represent them in Lincolnshire?

Of course I absolutely will, but you won't see it, because no, you're calling me a liar. Of course, I have answered your question. The reason it doesn't have the same urgency as the ukip conversation is the question of quantity there simply isn't the avalanche of intolerance that arises from other parties that arises from yours and B is perhaps more relevant to you so there is no fear in the foreigner a foot there is no fear in the country opinion po not reporting significant changes in the nation who fear, possibly wrongly, Nigel, that your party represents deeply divisive and racist ideas, if you would let me finish, let me then move on to that invitation togo abroad and listen to conversations in other countries where perhaps far-right politics are not seen as scant as they are in this country. um, you recently mentioned your discomfort hearing foreign languages ​​on a train.

I said I got on a train and went through several stops and there were a lot of people around me and no one spoke English and I thought you know this is how it is. I didn't say I didn't object. I felt a little uncomfortable and I guess that's not really the problem. This of all the countries in Europe is the most accepting and tolerant, you said. You don't feel very comfortable in that situation. You said you had a problem. I didn't feel comfortable. No, yes, your wife speaks German. Well, my children are too. Yes, does that make you uncomfortable?

No, because they can't speak English. and the point of how do you know those people couldn't, maybe they could, but I had the distinct feeling that it was certainly not their preferred language and if you look at the primary school situation in the East End of London. Do you know where there are schools where the majority does not speak English? Doesn't it tell us that? Doesn't it tell us that? Doesn't it tell us that? Doesn't that tell us that what we want is a sensible and balanced immigration policy? where we want people with skills to come to Britain, but we also want integration into society, of course we do, and the SCH you refer to, the puppies you refer to are registered and registered as having English as a second language, they are not recorded and recorded as not being able to speak English is precisely that kind of both well, yes, but no one has counted them, so their own children would fit into that category, well, I hope that many people can speak different languages, but the point I'm making: Do we want to live in an integrated society?

No, excuse me, what you mean is that the schools in the East End are

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of children who can't speak English. I just want you to recognize that what you just said is not true. Children who are typified as speakers of English as a second language would include their own daughters. They come from their mothers as they come from homes where English is definitely not the first language and in many cases it is not the language at all. Now look, you know, but no. One has counted how many people in the group it would be very useful and useful if they did and perhaps we would be even more surprised and even more shocked, but the argument or perhaps we would realize that the majority of bilingual children in this country are kids like Well, let's turn things around.

Yes, yes, let's talk about immigration, let's talk about Europe, let's talk about the European elections. I am making a very simple point: we cannot have any way of managing migration to Britain and still remain a member of the European Union because we have an open door to almost 500 million people and the argument I am making, James, is that it would be too much better to have an immigration policy that did not discriminate, as it currently does, against engineers or doctors from India. of New Zealand in favor of anyone, regardless of their skill levels or background, coming from southern and eastern Europe and that's the big debate and when Nick CLE, you know, took me on and I tried to have that debate with him and He was very reluctant about it.

One particular point is to involve Cameron and Milleran in a country that is a mile away from that debate and I think that is, in fact, at the core of our relationship with Europe and I mean, if that was the debate that you would have offered to have on this program, we would do it. You have it now, but what the caller asked you was why so many people think you're racist. Yeah, well, I think you know that yeah, we've had our idiots and part of the answer would be that you're talking about kids who can't talk.

English as a first language without mentioning it includes your own children. I mean, what is racism? Know? It is racism among racism. I was talking I was talking about talking I was talking How can you say you're not something if you don't do it? I don't know what race is about color, race about race or nationality, you know, I made a comment there that I didn't mean to say that I was uncomfortable with the pace and pace of change and number of people no, you felt uncomfortable with people speaking foreign languages ​​despite the fact that presumably your own wife does when she comes home to Germany yeah, I don't suppose she talks on the train, you know, she's not allowed to do that, right?

She speaks German wherever she wants and what about the phrase about not wanting to live next to Romanian? It's perfectly acceptable. I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next door, would you be worried what would happen if a group of German boys What's the difference, the difference and you know what the difference is? No, honestly, I don't know. I think where is the disconnect between your position and M. What's the difference? We want an immigration policy based on control not only of quantity but also of quality. and we have the problem that yes, unfortunately, those communist countries that I visited and I visited the RoR camps and I have seen the real poverty that people live in and we talk about exclusion in society they go and see since the fall of communism what It has happened to the Roma communities in those countries, they can't get jobs, they have nowhere to live and, in many cases, they have been forced into a life of crime and what has happened with an Open Door is that it has now been an invitation open for traffickers.

We all know that this is happening in the Metropolitan Police, trafficking is a crime, of course, trafficking is a crime and trafficked people are victims of crime, yes, and the Metropolitan Police, the Metropolitan Police, has produced its statistics on crimes and his eyes, and I say Let's control it. I know you're saying that about Romanians, but why can't you understand how many people are worried because you're talking about them too? 32 million people are looking for work in Europe and that big noise. pointing with his fist saying that they are a provocative publication that they come for your work that scares the people who are already here working people that my children go to school with their parents they are worried about the idea that they are now being demonized and typified and you speak so softly, so skill

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y, about the Romanians and demonize the Germans.

I'm not demonizing anyone. You just asked a question about ran and started talking about human trafficking. I am demonizing a political class that has allowed us to have an open door to allow. Things like this happen well, so when I say Romanians and you start talking about human traffickers, why didn't you say that people have every right to feel uncomfortable living next to human traffickers, no matter where they come from? Why did you say Romanians? I didn't say Romanians they asked me they asked me a question if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you would you be worried and if you lived in London I think you would be yes um this morning Nigel was informed that you pulled out of a live

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in London because there was no no makeup artist, that's what I'm sorry, you can accuse me of a lot of things, but not so good, I've tried and, um, I'm delighted that you're so happy, I'm still not entirely convinced.

As for why you sit at a party with the leader of the Italian Leger Nord, a member of the Anders Bravic fan club, I don't understand why you use words like Romanian when describing who you would like and who you wouldn't. lives next door to I don't understand why you feel uncomfortable listening to foreign languages ​​when your own wife and children speak them and I don't understand why you talk about problems in primary schools caused by children like yours, why don't you Don't you I say why don't you come and meet the black and ethnic Ukip candidate?

Wait, wait, wait, how very interesting. Did you see the weekend opinion poll that was shown among the ukip BME community? now the polls are at 16%, we are getting more BME voters than the Conservatives and Lib Dems combined, so there are big numbers. I'll go with you and you'll come with me and meet with the opinion poll this weekend as well. found I think just over 40% of voters who think their party is racist which is which and that and what do they think they've done in the last 20 minutes I know we're done waiting an hour but what do you think What have you done in the last 20 minutes to calm those people's fears?

You made it clear to people that controlling the quantity and quality of people entering your country is a primary duty of the government and we cannot do that as members of the European Union and, finally, the question of its expenditure and its financial arrangements. I heard it on the radio before he said it would undergo a full audit. I was proud of that because other deputies don't do it, so these are the transparency agreements that all labor deputies sign up to. Can you sign up today? Yes, actually they don't. What they do is have an auditor, make sure they spend. the money according to the rules there are no expenses you say that as if there is something wrong with it, they have an auditor to make sure that they spend the money according to the rules sorry, we have an agreement on time, you have done this massively. is Patrick or Flynn yip director of communications and former Poli commentator on The Daily Express is he a friend in the media or a member of the political class there are no expenses these are subsidies fixed rate subsidies that I have spent according to the rules, so , will you go to the audit that all Labor parliamentarians go to?

We will make a decision on the mass. Yes, you are in charge, but I am very suspicious of the word audit used in that context. Are you OK? Nigel Farage, thank you. For your time and energy this afternoon, there is of course a full list of all euro candidates available on the LBC website. Goodbye, Mr. olyn. Goodbye Mr Farage, thank you very much for your time. It's 11:53. I'm Jay Louise Knight at the LBC Travel Center and starting east London the a