Collateral Damage: Mysterious Deaths of Marilyn Monroe, JFK and Dorothy Kilgallen

welcome to the allen public library we have an exceptional program tonight mark shaw is the author of dozens of books, four of which involve jonatha kennedy mr. shaw has been a legal analyst for cnn news espn abc news and usa today thank you for joining us mark Shaw, thank you Tom and thank you for inviting me back to your amazing library. It's a great pleasure. So tonight we will all go on a journey and let's start right now, father, I love her, I love her. Very much, I have never had a feeling like this young girl's.

You're not fooling me one bit. I'm not trying, but I bet I could, but I don't. You could convince this jerk that you love him, but you'll never convince me. That's a shame because I certainly love him for his money. No, honestly, do you have the nerve to stand there and expect me to believe that you don't want to marry my son for his money? It's true, so what do you want to marry him? because I want to marry him for your money and that's why my fellow Americans don't ask what your country can do for you, they ask what you can do for your country, Dorothy, if you had to limit yourself to one of the many jobs you do, which one would you do?

I would be? Be well, I love television, I have a lot of fun playing what's my line and I also love our morning radio show, but I think I would have to settle for my first love and my true love, the newspaper business, I still love it. has. and i will always think, i hope of course it was

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playing lorelei lill in gentlemen prefer blondes and of course most people remember that movie for her singing, diamonds are the best girls best friends and then the second jfk at the inauguration, who can forget those incredible ones?

The words don't ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country and then Dorothy Kilgallon, a remarkable woman, a journalist who we'll talk about, she's talking there, you know, the different careers that she had. Many people just remember her. for her starring role on what's my line, the cbs quiz show for 15 years, 10 million people watch it every sunday night with

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uh on the panel then she talked about, you know her, her breakfast radio show with her husband with

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and dick in new york city in the early 1960s, a million people listened to that show and thirdly there is an interview with many of you, you may remember the tv show from person to person by edward r.

Murrow on CBS, anyone who was anyone wanted to be on that show and Dorothy was there and that was the interview she was giving regarding the three different careers she had and how much being a journalist meant to her. This particular book is the culmination of 15 years of experience on my part in research on my part, but first I want to say I want to show you this, these were three living, breathing human beings, JFK, you know, would become president and He had many years ahead of him. Dorothy did it, plus she was a columnist and all that. that in maryland with her career as an actress but then we had these three headlines and each of these headlines is absolutely false there is no truth in any of them maryland did not commit suicide jfk was not murdered by a single person lee harvey oswald that is the same as ridiculous today as it was then and dorothy kilgallon did not die of a drug overdose in 1965. these three individuals died within 40 months of each other in maryland on august 62 jfk in november '63 and dorothy in november '65. so this is what we lost in those three particular years and what I have involved in this particular book is three true criminal murder mysteries involving these three individuals that were not true criminal murder mysteries at all.

The relevance of this book is the fact that no one asked questions at that time. and that's a good lesson we should learn, I don't know who said it, but if you don't listen, know and remember what the story is about, you will also make the same mistakes, so these days we need to question things, especially when the government is involved, government agencies because that is exactly what happened with these three individuals, so as a historian I tried to see what I could do to connect these three individuals and I will tell you that I never did.

I was even going to do it but I ended up doing it and it was quite an adventure and I actually did it like what I would call backwards ass, which is, uh, I would tell you a little bit what I've done the most in my life, uh. Former criminal defense attorney and then I went into network television legal analysts and did television shows and then became an author in 1962 when I wrote a book about Mike Tyson because logically you can tell yourself what you would do, you would investigate Marilyn . the death of

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first on the right 1962 jfk 63 and dorothy killgall in 65 well, i didn't do that because what i did and these are the books that preceded the one i'm going to talk about tonight, first of all i looked at the assassination of jfk 1963 the two books were melvin bellai king of the courtroom melvin bellai if you don't remember he was jack ruby's lawyer well I had a real advantage in writing a biography because I knew the man I practiced law with in his building in the In the 1980s, I was a larger-than-life, flamboyant figure, I didn't always obey the rules of being a lawyer, but I got all these surprising verdicts from the big pharmaceutical companies and all that, but when I was writing that book, you I'll tell you and you.

I'll see how this all connects as it goes and where I can connect this and that and the dots and sometimes I ran into obstacles and everything, but with bellai I learned that he loved the mafia and the mafia loved him, he would go. to las vegas and pretend to be a gangster sitting at the table with other gangsters his main client was mickey cohen who was a gangster from los angeles and i remember the head of the fbi this man is considered dangerous he is a cold blooded murderer who was his main client Yes, he represented Muhammad Ali and the Rolling Stones and others, but Bill, I love the mafia, so when I was writing that book I was wondering, you know, I wonder how the hell he became Jack Ruby's lawyer, he was a lawyer for personal injury, he hadn't tried a damn criminal case in 25 years and yet he ends up with Ruby as his client and then I looked further and what did he do at trial?

He didn't let Ruby testify. He made it look crazy. an insanity defense that didn't make any sense and what did the jury do right, of course, they convicted jack ruby, so I had all these questions in my mind, if there's one thing that I feel like I possess, it's a real curiosity, you know, I read three books. A couple of summers ago Michelangelo Leonardo Da Vinci and Einstein thinking that if I read them maybe I would become a little smarter in some way or another well that didn't work but I realized in each of those three books what those three men said uh I gave credence to the fact that each of them were curious, so that sparked my curiosity about Melvin Bellai that book and then I decided, "Okay, you know, I'm a little curious about the 1960 election, which happened now, if you remember, it was JFK." versus richard nixon and joe kennedy who's who the boys and the patriarch whose photo is above well, you may remember that joe kennedy was, you know, a very powerful man, a rich man, fdr appointed a lawyer, excuse me, ambassador in large Brittany, went there and made a couple of mistakes because Joe wanted to be president of the United States, but he made a couple of mistakes.

He had a kind of friendship with Adolf Hitler, who wasn't very popular and attacked FDR all the time and eventually they took him back to the presidency. united states of america and it seemed like everything was done and joe said to himself you know what if I can't be president then one of my sons will be president what was supposed to be joe kennedy jr but he was killed in the war so who will be the next jfk and people don't really believe me sometimes when i tell them this but it's documented in this book and the others joe kennedy really thought there would be 24 years of jfk bobby kennedy and then who ted and then the 60s elections to choose and what happens Joe Kennedy finds out that they are going to lose the election because they can't win in West Virginia and Illinois and then what does he do?

He calls some of his friends from his smuggling days. Sam Giancana Carlos Marcelo. some of the mafia guys and he says listen I'll make you a deal, you can't turn down this deal, help me win those states and put Jfk in the white house and what will I do for you, we'll let you. guys alone when we got to the white house, well, they went ahead and won the election so that jack kennedy put him in the white house and then I had a witness there, a very, very famous journalist named john sigenthaler, who was one of the founders . of usa today that i interviewed, i was there when joe kennedy ordered jfk to appoint bobby kennedy as attorney general and as expected, bobby kennedy, who will go into much more in this presentation, went ahead and did what was after those mobsters, just like he had done in the milk mcclellan extortion hearings, so i put all that on the venomous patriarch and tried to show that you know the '60 election was rigged and bobby kennedy did this and that and one of those individuals that he deported and we will talk about it. he was carlos marcello, a mafia don from new orleans, and that book came out and did very well, so i thought, well, you know, i'm done, but like you, i think when i came in when i was researching about Melvin Bell. eye book uh, I interviewed a friend of Bellai, a doctor in San Diego, and I said, you know, let's talk about Bellai and we did and he told me these stories and they all got married six times and at one point he decided he was going to throwing the dogs off the Golden Gate Bridge during the divorce proceedings, I mean, he was a real character, but he said, you know, it's funny, Mark, before we finish, you know he knew Dorothy Kilgallon and I said, well, Wait a minute, all I know. about her, she was a what's my line star, she was on the show, he said, mark, you don't know anything about her, okay, she was a syndicated columnist with her voice from the Broadway show and we'll get into that in a minute. with a couple of photographs for you and by the way this book is not my opinions it is not my guesses it is not my speculations through documents through photographs through personal accounts that is all I use in my books and the books that I I use for the new nothing that I use was approved around 1967 or '68, so it was all current material and I pride myself on doing it anyway regarding that whole situation there, I started trying to think of Dorothy Kilgall and he said, well she had the column syndicated in 200 newspapers the radio show was listened to by 100 million people a day she had had you know all the different things she did but also what's my line but also brand that she covered three of the most recent trials important of the 20th century and I said what were those, well it was Dr.

Sam Shepard, which you may remember, became the serious series fugitive, what was next, the Lindbergh and Mark baby kidnapping case, she said who covered the Jack Ruby trial, covered the JFK assassination, so I can remember the Aha, around the time Dorothy Kilgallon did all that, I started researching the life and times of this woman and that became the best seller. The reporter who knew too much. We'll talk about Dorothy in a moment. I won't go into it much further, but Dorothy, I'm not really your guide tonight. Dorothy Kilgallon is because she was, you know, an incredible reporter, a woman of integrity, how many people do you know who have seen my video presentations on YouTube, almost you.

I know two million people have seen them and seen the presentations, and they come back to me by email from all over the world and say, boy, I wish we had a reporter like Dorothy Kilgallon today with the integrity that she had, and that's why , Dorothy Kilgallon is our guide in many So I wrote to the journalist that I knew too much and I kept thinking exactly where I was going with all this, so what was next? There's Melvin Bellai, okay, in his San Francisco office, that's him with Mickey Cohen, there's JFK. and joe kennedy there's frank sinatra and i should have mentioned who was the conduit between joe kennedy and those gangsters i talked about frank sinatra you know i can't listen to a frank sinatra song without wanting to throw up and i'll tell you why he was a great singer?

Sure he was, but he was a bad guy. He hit people. He hit journalists. He was as bad a womanizer as JFK and Bobby. He was just a terrible human being in many ways. look how he figures in

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monroe's death there bobby kennedy bobby kennedy on the mcclellan committee his father once said about bobby kennedy you know he hates just like me and you know the apple doesn't fall far from the tree joe kennedy was a bad boy besides fix the elections you know you're actually talking about womanizing each of the Kennedys decided they wanted a trophy wife and then they wanted a trophy mistress and while he was married to Rose and I used this book that no one else had ever even quoted from Rose, it's a biography of Charles Higum that was written and wow, what did I learn there?

She knew about the solution in West Virginia and Illinois, but you know, at one pointIn particular, Joe Kennedy was bold enough to sail to Europe and one more. At one end of the boat was Rose and at the other end of the boat was Gloria Swanson, his lover, that's the kind of person Joe Kennedy was and it filtered down to his children and you'll find out who that powerful man is. who is responsible for the three

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that I have talked about there, then we have to yes, that is Carlos Marcelo April 1961 changed everything in history and how did that happen because BobbyKennedy deported Marcelo, whom he hated, to Guatemala to the jungles from Guatemala.

When Marcelo came back to the country, he went ahead and, you know, started smuggling in New Orleans, a six billion dollar empire with everything, and Bobby Kennedy went after him again. to deport him and as the end of 1963 arrives, the end of November 1963, Marcelo has had enough and says to himself, I'm going to get rid of that little bit and I don't want to say it on the air, that little bit, you know - what, and yet he couldn't get rid of that little one. you-know-what because if he had killed bobby kennedy jack kennedy would have come after him with everything the government was entitled to so what does he do?

Orchestrate the assassination of JFK then Bobby Kennedy will be powerless and you know what that's exactly what happened. Bobby Kennedy never went after those guys. He eventually resigned as attorney general and then ran for president and was assassinated in 1978. Well, then there's the JFK assassination in '63. There's uh. uh jack ruby ​​shooting lee harvey oswald there's melvin bellai with his client jack ruby ​​one thing I learned during this uh this process and frankly it's not in the book because I didn't think about it at the time if you really want cover it up uh, a death, what's the easiest way to do it right, as you'll see, the first one i came across was this autopsy situation with jfk, you know, uh, dr.

Cyriller Weck, who is the leading forensic scientist, I think in the country, all the famous Michael Jackson cases. All these different types of Simpson cases, all of them, and he has become a personal friend of mine, such a wise man, and before long you will hear what he said about the Marilyn Monroe autopsy, but in this regard I mean his book uh, where is it? I guess I didn't mention it in his book. uh talking about different autopsies. Celebrity Autopsy calls this the worst autopsy ever done. That little fragment shows that instead of doing the autopsy on JFK at Parkland Hospital.

You may remember that the Secret Service simply took his body to Washington and used these young medical examiners to observe the autopsy of the president of the United States and, as Sarah Wick told me, there was no truth to much of that autopsy, so That's the autopsy, so as for what happened to Jack Kennedy in Daley Plaza and you'll see a couple of photos in a minute of Dorothy being there when she covered the JFK assassination, but you know, I don't know what happened in daley square nobody does it. I've had a wonderful woman named Kathleen in Dallas come forward and give a very logical way of how it could have happened, uh, storm drains, etc., etc., she was in the Texas warehouse building, Texas. school depot was on the grassy knoll where it was fine again i'm always looking for the best primary source i can and that's a biography autobiography of jesse curry who is the dallas police chief and you know what it says there The first thing he did when he heard the gunshots was he guessed where he sent the police, to the overpass, not the warehouse building, nothing like that, so to me that's the most credible account of what could have happened.

You may change your mind with new research. I get clues about everyone. people's time and I'm always open to what they say and there is one of the worst human beings that has ever existed on the face of the earth jedgar hoover why good because this is what he let me see if I can find him is what said when jfk was killed it is important that all the facts surrounding the assassination of president kennedy this was this was a letter sent to the department of justice important that all the facts surrounding the assassination of president kennedy be made public in a way that satisfies people in the united states and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement be made to this effect now the public must be satisfied that lee harvey oswald was the murderer that he had no accomplices who are still at large and that such's evidence is such that he would have been convicted at trial speculation about Oswald's motive should be eliminated that's the FBI director now people have told me why he was shouting this theory of Oswald alone all the time well it's easy find out if he's a lone nut like they called Oswald, right, the FBI can't be held responsible, right, but if there's a plot to kill the president and I don't use that c-word c-o-n-s-p-i that word, I don't like that word, it just goes deflated by what really happened, there was a plot to kill the president, if that happens then jfk or excuse me, uh lee, uh, j edgar hoover would have been held responsible, so who murdered jfk?

Well, just like I did when I was a criminal defense attorney and when I covered those famous trials and everything I watch, the detective's four best friends, motive means opportunity to profit from the crime, but most of all motive, right now, this It was interesting because I interviewed Jack Ruby's prosecutor, Bill Alexander, for the poison patriarch and he said, Mark. You know, I was surprised that JFK was killed. Bobby Kennedy had a lot more enemies than Jack Kennedy and you know he's right. I listed them here because yes, you have the people who have the motive to kill JFK, the CIA. of course, whoever hated the kennedys always hated the kennedys cuban dissidents the military complex uh jfk was going to get us out of vietnam at least it looked like he could do it and that's really going to cause problems for the military complex but look the other way you still have to j edgar hoover lyndon johnson obviously if you talk about the motive, yes, the person that I am going to tell you that had the greatest motive to have killed jfk is carlos marcelo, but he is actually in second place when you think about who.

He benefited more from the death of JFK, Lyndon Johnson, okay, but I've never been able to connect it. There are so many layers involved in everything up until the JFK assassination. You have Frank Costello, he was the New York professor, who we will talk about. little giancana santo trafficker a mont a mafia oh so dangerous gangster in uh in tampa florida mickey cohen meyer lansky the financier of all gangsters and then there is the big name carlos marcelo reason to get rid of bobby kennedy and that's exactly what happened Let's move on to dear Dorothy, who I have come to love and respect over the years.

That's Dorothy. Now let me tell you and I'll get to all the similarities between Dorothy and Marilyn at the end, but Dorothy and Maryland were amazing in terms. to overcome all obstacles to reach the top of her professions. That's Dorothy Kilgall. First, she dropped out of college. She convinced her father, who was an excellent journalist at the New York Journal American, to get her an internship and then. She worked from that internship to becoming one moment, I'll tell you the New York Post said she was the most powerful female voice in America. I would say she was kind of a combination of Diane Sawyer and Oprah and whoever else.

I know no one ever liked her at the time and that's her, at a young age they had what they called the race around the world and what that involved was three people, two men and her, two other journalists and her, and they gave around the world using commercial, uh, commercial transportation, ships, airplanes, etc., and that's Dorothy going around the world there. Well, she finished second to one of the men, but she had the courage to do it alone, the only thing she took away was a hat. box with some clothes in it and her typewriter that hers is Dorothy on that typewriter and boy, she could write if I could write as well as Dorothy Kilgallon and in

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you will see all these examples.

Maybe I can read you one of her incredible work as a creator of words beautiful language vocabulary all that how's this for an endorsement from the guy over there? There she is her voice from the Broadway column how about that guy she's sitting there with? Who is this Ernest Hemingway who told you that she is the best writer in the world, you probably wouldn't like that woman there, but that's a great compliment, right? And that's how she was. She was amazing with that and of course that's Dorothy on what my line is with Bennett Surf. arlene francis and uh and john daly this is my favorite photo of dorothy in the jack ruby ​​excuse me in the case of dr sam shepard okay she's standing in the middle of the courtroom and look at her all the other reporters surround dorothy with admiration for her the best sources, that's why we'll talk about it with the JFK assassination, but they loved her and yes, there were competitions and some snide comments were made about Dorothy, one of the things about her that was mentioned.

Last night she wasn't the most beautiful woman in the world, but my wife actually told me today, you know, it was the clothes she wore and the way she acted and the way she, you know, the power that she sure had. in all of that to an amazing woman and you know you made it when you're in an episode of The Flintstones, fix all the things she did, I could have been happier about this, they did it in a way episode that involves um where barney barney she gets in trouble for gambling or whatever and fred gets in trouble and all this and she's dorothy mata granite in this at flit stones it's fine and it was a big success and anything you can do to apologize to me you can go to youtube and watch it, it's amazing, it's called the little white lie, it's the name of the show, so now I'm going to show you some books a little bit later and tell you that you should.

You can call them distortions of history because each one of them is many of those books don't even mention Dorothy, they're written about the JFK assassination, for God's sake, and they don't even mention Dorothy, okay, and many Of them they say, well, she. she wasn't at Ruby's trial, she didn't interview Jack Ruby, this is her in Daley Plaza, that's Dorothy being Whiskey Frisk, excuse me, Frisk walking into the courtroom and that's Dorothy at a press conference with Melvin Bellai , these people just don't do their thing. homework I'm not the smartest guy in the world It took me six years to finish Purdue University.

He was a terrible law student. I'm still not the smartest guy, but this was all out there and, like I say, relevance as someone is this. Last night, a woman, Kathleen, told me that the relevance is that we don't ask questions that they didn't ask then and unfortunately we don't ask them today like we should, so what did Dorothy write about the JFK assassination? Well, let's think about it. this is jedgar hoover going in this direction and cheating and cheating and everything related to the jfk assassination and everyone believed it except one reporter dorothy kilgallon the first column that wrote the oswal file oswald should not be closed six days after the death of jfk and i should tell him you were personal with dorothy she had taken her they were friends he had been to her house when he was a senator in new york um she took her son carrie her youngest son to the white house jfk made a big deal about him giving her he a pin pt 109 said you know uh looked at the letters he brought from his third grade class she wrote uh in her column uh the man who uh what I remember is a tall man leaning over a little boy in the white house uh Looking at the letters she brought from the third grade class, this is the man who was murdered in Dallas, it was personal and you didn't want to be on the wrong side of Dorothy Kilgallen when it was personal, so she wrote that column and then the second one.

Ruby Stars finally has to do with the fact that she was ahead and came in and was the only 400 reporter at the trial who interviewed Jack Ruby and I have all the pictures of her on dorothykielgallonstory.org. columns, videotaped interviews and everything I have, Joe Tanahill, Ruby's co-counsel, telling people exactly how he ended up with those interviews, because why guess what show Jack Ruby used to watch every week he could on the carousel? a big fan of Dorothy, that's how she got the interviews and that's why she wrote this, this article about him, I don't have time to read it, it's in the book, but the wordsmith is just amazing, the con man in the black suit and a very white dress.

The shirt needed to be nervous, the star of the show finally if he died tomorrow and he wouldn't, he would die happy knowing that he had had a great success in the third. This is really important because we're going to tie it up a little bit. a little bit with the transcripts of Ruby's trial he says uh he claims that the Dallas police officers lived in Ruby's house he claims that the Dallas police officers lived in Ruby's house well, the interesting thing about this was that Dorothy Kilgallon and she says through her contacts in New York through her voice a Broadway column these different acts came up to her and said, well you know what we came to Dallas for, we performed at Jack Ruby's travel club and guess who was in all the seats next to us, the police are fine, well, later on the Warren commission, which Dorothy will criticize, as I will tell you.

She said there was no friendship there everthis one by Dorothy Kilgallon. photograph with marilyn monroe in 1961 on the set of a movie, i think it's called let's make love and there they were, there they were and dorothy was interviewing marilyn monroe and you know, marilyn, uh, she gets bad, bad treatment, she She was never the fool. blonde that everyone thought she was, she was a brunette to begin with, she just changed her hair color and changed her name to marilyn monroe, you know, she was an orphan, she had a terrible childhood and all that, this is a very intelligent woman like me.

I'll show you in a minute that's her at a very young age and if you just want to read, then a book about her, where do you want to read my story? This was written by Marilyn Monroe with an award-winning screenwriter, just a few. a few months I think or at least a year before she died and it's her story and I assume maybe it's not her writing, although I'm going to show you that she was an exceptional writer, but you really get into marilyn monroe and what she thought, how felt and why she felt people used her. and they only cared about her as a sex drug or because she was beautiful and lord knows she was beautiful in every movie she made, if you think about it, when she was on screen there was no one else on screen, it was just marilyn monroe, so that was and then dorothy wrote a column here that will make you cry when you read it and it's about marilyn's love life you know she was originally when she was a teenager she was married to a guy named uh james Dougherty and she finally wrote a book about her finally wrote a book about her being a teenage mary, uh, marriage, uh, instead of going back to the orphanage, if she got married, she wouldn't have to.

They got married, had a wonderful time together, she finally decided against it. I want nothing more than to be a movie star and that's all in my story, uh, in terms of how she felt about it and that was a divorce. She then married Joe Dimaggio, the New York Yankees Hall of Famer, she's fine and that will play a lot. in the clue I got that led me to who I think caused Maryland's death and then excuse me when that marriage ended, she married the playwright Arthur Miller, all three of those marriages didn't work out and that's why she wrote this about Marilyn the Golden .

A girl loses her third marriage looking for love and you know that brings a tear to mine. I mean, you're going to hear me get angry about this. None of these three people should have died, much less alone. Marilyn Monroe. There is no way it should have happened. She found herself with the wrong people as you will see and what this talks about is that Marilyn was like a little girl who went to the toy store and here were all the toys and she could choose whoever she wanted and she still found out. The toys could get her in trouble, well the toys were men, so there's talk about you know all the problems she had with marriages and men trying to use her for sex when she was in Hollywood and all that kind of stuff and latest.

The line is the one you know now Marilyn Monroe is back in the world. Hopefully he doesn't come across another toy that will cause him problems and obviously he found that toy like I'll tell you well I always wondered about Marilyn Monroe committed suicide I don't know if you ever did I just wondered when it happened but I didn't pay much attention at all 1962 I don't think anyone did it came and went the Cuban missile crisis It was right after that, the bay, all these different things that happened, so it kind of got lost in the shuffle, well, I thought you know, let's see what kind of mentality Marilyn Monroe had before she died and I came across this Dorothy Kilgallen column in August. 3 of 1962, one day before Maryland died and what does she say, let me post it so I can read it here because it is very important, it was the clue that led me to everything that needs to be proven about Marilyn Monroe's health, she attends parties A photo of her is certainly not as simple as the famous calendar, but it is very interesting and she is also cooking in the sex appeal department.

She has proven to be very attractive to a handsome gentleman who is a bigger name. that she joe dimaggio in her heyday, so don't write off marilyn as if she ended up okay, that made me think: does she sound like someone who's going to commit suicide to you? It certainly wasn't like that for me and that curiosity got the best of me so I started researching. maryland who she was and I found this book and I'm amazed at how many people around the world have sent me messages and emails and everything and said the only thing they've really liked about

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and all the other stuff is finding the book fragments and this is a book that shows that marilyn monroe was not a dumb blonde, she was an intellectual and she was also an excellent writer and out of curiosity you know no one looked at that side of her, they missed it all, they really missed it everything and this.

The book contains his writings in hotels on the back of hotel stationery on the back of grocery receipts all of that is filled with his writings and poems and as you can see there just think in this life I am I am both . of your directions somehow they remain hanging downwards but strong like a spider web in the wind I exist more with a cold and shimmering frost but my beaded rays have the colors I have seen in a painting our life you have been deceived many more very introspective than it was marilyn monroe's insides screaming screaming treat me with respect treat me with respect please treat me with respect you know what the problem is about marilyn monroe being an intelligent woman she read ulysses you tried to read ulysses i did it i never made it to the second page well , that was her and she never got credit for it and instead this is what we got, this damn headline and as you'll see, it was completely false and no one questioned it at the time, so what did she do?

So I do well, I thought maybe I was stuck about things, but who helps me again? Dorothy Kilgallon and without her I would never know that she is the only person in history and I didn't put this in the book because I don't think about it, she is the only reporter in history that investigated the death of Marilyn Monroe and the death of JFK, far as I know. I don't think there was anyone like that, so what did she do? She wrote this column called Martha that shows that she is a trooper. Well, it's about Martha Ray, the actress, and she fell and hurt her leg or something, but what is it, it's a bible of questions Dorothy Kilgallon had about Marilyn Monroe's death and she got some in the mail and everything. that, but it was basically to say wait a minute uh marilyn monroe was found naked in this in her room she didn't sleep in a good mood uh her light was on in the room she was sleeping in the dark there was no glass around where she could have supposedly ingested Marilyn died of this overdose of between 40 and 50 barbiturate pills uh in a very short period of time on the afternoon of August 4, 1962 and I will prove that that was false but she asked about that she asked about other problems regarding what It just happened that she just didn't understand that the police hadn't investigated this and everything and basically at the end of this column she says I can't answer all these questions but I have the feeling that the real story hasn't been told much less she didn't believe in Oswald's theory only she didn't believe that marilyn monroe committed suicide then we get to the autopsies and like i said if you want to cover up a death just screw up the autopsy and then let people know lies about all of this so here's the Maryland autopsy, okay, uh, sorry, this is yeah, this is the autopsy from August 5, 1962, one day after his death, what does it say? acute poisoning with barbiturates, ingestion of overdose, right, it's an overdose, right, no, it hasn't been a few more hours and now, what is it?

It is a probable suicide. How did that happen? We may never know, except for the fact that we know about the junior coroner who was involved. I know Dr. Cyril Weck when he and I were discussing what I could put in the book about this, he said, you know, Mark, I've done 16,000 autopsies in my life, I've never seen a verdict on one of them likely. suicide, that's like guessing, you know, maybe he committed suicide and maybe he didn't, but of course, what do we come back to? We return to the headline. The media made Marilyn commit suicide.

Well, this Dr. Thomas Naguchi and maybe you remember that name. He is he. the conversations about the medical examiner who handled some of the Michael Jackson and Og Simpson cases and all this other kind of stuff and you know, the easiest way, as I say, to screw up a murder investigation or any kind of investigation is to do a fake autopsy, well, wait. You'll hear this, not only did he not know what he was doing, but he basically went ahead in an interview, just a few months after the autopsy, and said, you know, I made some mistakes, the toxicology report had only been done. in the blood and liver, not the internal organs, I should have examined them.

You listened? Can you imagine that this is one of the most famous in the world? Look at the JFK assassination. What they did the same with. Dorothy and now with Maryland that's one of the similarities and he said, "Yeah, actually, when I realized I made a mistake, now just think about this, I went to try to find those organs, but they had been destroyed." , had been destroyed." No justice for Maryland No justice for JFK No justice for Dorothy Kilgallen So what do I do? Where do I go from there? Well, I keep searching in my own mind what happened to Marilyn Monroe and then excuse me and then I find this letter.

Well he's fine, murdered, who could have done it? We can, you can find out most of that in the book, but he's the handsome gentleman who's bigger than Joe Dimaggio. I wanted to know what was going on in his life. Okay, what kind of men was she? involved so in my mind I'm thinking who's a bigger name than the most famous baseball player at the time probably other than babe ruth and that's joe dimaggio and then I landed on the Kennedys I thought you know those are names more important. Well, what did I discover? Here is a photo, a photograph, the only one of Marilyn Monroe that is Bobby Kennedy on the left and JFK on the right, and most people know it.

Well, everyone really knows that Marilyn Monroe, to most people, I guess she says happy. birthday to jfk on his 45th birthday a year before he died in madison square garden in front of 15,000 people in this sequin dress that you could almost see through dorothy kilgallon wrote that it was as if he were making love to the audience because dorothy was there Well, I thought, "Okay, JFK, she must have had a relationship with him. I'll look into it, well, I did and she, but it was very short-lived because Joe Kennedy, the politician, the patriarch, the poisonous patriarch, "He told JFK, 'Look, you're leaving.' run for president 64.

I don't want to see your name in the paper with marilyn monroe and then I found this letter from gene kennedy smith it's only signed by gene smith but it's gene kennedy smith and that's who marilyn monroe understands that you and bobby are the new element exclamation point uh we think you should come with him when he returns this love susan smith okay gene smith well it made me think wait a minute this is yes there is some kind of relationship here with bobby kennedy maybe he took over when JFK left her so I'm thinking, well, this letter is fascinating, but I need proof and I'm always looking for confirmation of things that I can go ahead and be able to use that are really going to make a difference with respect to the research that I'm going to present to my audience so, what I do?

I move on and find a CIA document. At first I thought it was an FBI document, like I said, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, so it took me a while to realize it was a CIA document, but it's from July 8, 1960. Now excuse me , July 8, 1962 and this is what it says right on the front, everything is visible. of this is available to people why they didn't find it because they didn't want to this is what robert kennedy says he has been having an affair and a sexual affair over a period of time with marilyn monroe the first date was arranged by his sister and brother-in-law peter lawford and so on and so on robert kennedy was deeply emotionally involved with marilyn monroe and he understands this and he repeatedly promised to divorce his wife to marry maryland a deep love story bobby kennedy and marilyn monroe and then I'm thinking to myself, well, If that's what happened, then how am I going to go ahead and show that if Maryland didn't commit suicide but was murdered, am I going to find out if maybe Bobby Kennedy had something to do with it?

I started looking for different evidence that I could find, there is such a document and this is an amazing find on my part. I had nothing to do, nothing that I could really find that could have been better, so I went ahead and found out that there was this big party at the cal neva lodge which was on the border between california and nevada and this is the cal neva lodge and that's buddy greco who's there with marilyn monroe and marilyn monroe was also there and she was there frank sinatra was there franksinatra was there sam giancana one of the gangsters was there this friend uh this uh gianni russo who recently wrote a book called The Godfather of Hollywood he was there and told what happened and marilyn had the feeling that they were going to pass her around possibly because of those people who were there, Peter Lawford was there, there have been some questions about whether the Kennedys were there, but anyway, at some point she's had enough and she goes ahead and starts screaming, I want to go home, I've had it and I'll tell you what I'm going to do.

I feel like I used a piece of meat and I have a witness who was right there and I already had it with the Kennedys. I'm going to the media. When I get back to Los Angeles, I'll tell them about the relationships and the sexual affairs I had with JFK and RFK, and very well, it sounded like you knew how much of a threat she would be and what Bobby Kennedy would think if she did that. Then I found the other half of the CIA document and basically what it says is that it talks about Maryland, JFK and Dorothy, each of whom has an obsession with UFOs, it says that JFK talked to Marilyn Monroe about her obsession with UFOs. and that she was going to investigate area 51 innuevo mexico, she talks about how marilyn monroe had threatened to go to the media about the affairs and worse than that, in that sentence is what ended up being the cause of marilyn monroe's death she supposedly said and is In the CIA document I am going to notify the media about the national security matters that JFK and Bobby have told me about, including killing Fidel Castro.

Well, those Kennedys couldn't let her go to the media about the loves that would have been. It was enough. bad, but they couldn't let her go to the media regarding what happened with these national security matters, for God's sake, that almost amounts to treason, so what's up? Well, I'm thinking, okay, my number one suspect is who Bobby is. Kennedy probably has to keep his mouth shut, but what am I going to do right? I found a book called The Strange Death of Marilyn Monroe by Frank Kapel and as you can see, it's a slim little book, but it describes not only the relationship between Marilyn and Dorothy, excuse me, the relationship between Marilyn and Bobby Kennedy, but also the made of all the things that happened during the summer of 1962.

Bobby Kennedy had been there in the summer of '62 working on a movie based on his book. the enemy within which he mocks and does all that and shows his hatred towards the gangster, so he was basically there during that time. Frank Coppell shows that on the 26th and 27th in a ledger, I think I think I have that for you there, the ledger. on the right he was at the beverly hills hotel so now we know he's in los angeles we know he's having a sexual relationship with marilyn monroe and then in this particular book he talks about bobby kennedy's cruelty and the kind of person he is and all that here is bobby kennedy at the time when he had six or seven kids, that's ethel, you have peter lawford with frank sinatra and bobby kennedy, there are bad guys, all of them the enemy within like I said, okay and then this is this is The big clue: what did I do here?

Well, he was in trouble because he wanted to prove that Bobby could have been involved in Maryland's death, but he wasn't in Los Angeles at the time. He had an alibi that he was in the San Francisco area. Okay, but I just couldn't believe it was, so I started researching things and found this ledger at 20th Century Fox. Basically, you can read it for yourself, but what does it say that at 11 o'clock on the 4th August 1962 is the same? The day Maryland died, Bobby Kennedy and Peter Lawford arrived in a helicopter. Okay, so it's in Los Angeles and then there was a book called The Beverly Hills Murder File and it's written by a Beverly Hills police officer who swears that he stopped a limousine at midnight.

In the fourth is Peter Lawford driving and if you don't know who Peter Lawford was, he was an actor with minimal success and he had all married one of Kennedy's sisters and all that ended up being an alcoholic, but he drives the car. the officer says bobby kennedy is in the back seat and guess who is in the front seat with peter lawford, dorothy

kilgallen

's psychiatrist, so he was in los angeles, so i tried to put things together and what i found out was that That particular day they had had Enough of Maryland, they went to her house, begged her not to go to the media and, uh, Marilyn just refused, they had abandoned her.

You know, there's this image I want to give you. Remember Marilyn Dorothy wrote about Marilyn just wanting love. Her life is very good, what happened? Jfk the most powerful man in the world you know has a brief love affair with her and I don't know if he told her he loved her or not but he probably did and then he dumped her and then bobby kennedy starts up with her and he has an affair with her, a sexual affair and all that and he tells her that he is going to divorce ethel and then jfk won't return her calls and he won't return her calls. be returned to the attorney general's office by bobby and you get to see marilyn.

It also makes me want to cry for her because I think she was crying sitting next to her phone. They will no longer have anything to do with her. You can imagine the mentality there. but they go to her house and I think it's pretty well recorded in collateral damage and they bleed, they beg her not to go to the media, she says no and what I've done in collateral damage is give a plausible way that Marilyn Monroe was eliminated she kept her mouth shut she was murdered and bobby kennedy's agents were involved and i did this based on three leads i had there was a fresh bruise on marilyn's hip that i found at the autopsy maryland's housekeeper was doing laundry when she was washing bed sheets a maryland bedroom.

I have been able to decide when the police arrived and the amount of chloral hydrate that was in her system. You know, Dr. Naguchi couldn't find anything there in terms of her ingesting these things because there was nothing in her stomach, so I show a practical way how they could have killed her. Marilyn Monroe was silenced at the age of 36 so I could go ahead and show you FBI documents, but I'm not going to do that, I'm just going to go. Long story short, because there are FBI documents that show that the FBI sent the book to Bobby Kennedy, they told him all the accusations that Cabell had made about this love story and everything, and the clincher for me is what the Kennedy basically. decided along with the FBI that they would buy every copy of this book when it was published so that no one could read it because they knew, excuse me, they knew what was in it was true, they were bad people, Maryland fell into a nest of kennedys a nest of kennedys that ended causing the end of his life uh there are a couple more articles that I could share with you, but I think we'll continue with this in particular, which I wanted to do at the end of this book. the housekeeper these here are the FBI documents what I want to do at the end of this book is I want to humanize these three individuals who did not die and should not have died here is marilyn four of her most famous films the asphalt jungle that was the that was the turning point in her career uh, a famous director, I can't remember his name right now, gave her a chance and if you watch that movie, she's wonderful in it in a serious role, seven year old itch, yeah , the famous one from New York, remember. where she uh the dress she lifts up if you really want to see an amazing movie there's no business like show business and I want to today I'm going to leave you with a story about Maryland that will warm your heart and of course misfit.

The last movie she did with Clark Gable was a very serious role. This wasn't just a sex comedy. She was real and all she ever wanted to be known for was a serious actress. So what did we lose here with Maryland? We lost one of the greatest. artists we ever knew and what did Maryland lose well we'll talk about that in a minute okay those are the clues and it's all in the book uh I want to get into some of the cover ups about the JFK assassination these are the books of what was talking and now there's something new about marilyn monroe and bobby kennedy being involved and I read a press report about it and it's just garbage it's just speculation and now they're doing that to maryland again but these are the books about um about the JFK assassination vincent biuliosi called recovering history should be called distortions of history james patterson the damn novelist wrote a novel about the kennedy house what do you think one of his sources there is the only time i have written? a book review on amazon but I had to write one about this because you know one of the main sources for it was a psychic.

Now I'm not dismissing them, but as it was there was no corroboration. Case closed by Gerald Posner. another piece of garbage case closed oswald alone and this new kennedy's avenger by dan abrams talks about the fact that jack ruby ​​basically killed lee harvey oswald defending jfk's honor there is no substance in any of those books and it drives me crazy when I see them, so where does that leave us? the assassination of dorothy

kilgallen

like I said, being undercover and then undercover now so the conclusion let me let me go to uh a we talked about marilyn monroe let's uh to jfk and then I'll come back to minute oh purdue I'll talk about it here it is here it is John Kennedy what did we lose?

Well, we lost a president of the United States who knows what he would have done. I didn't agree with everything he did, probably no one did, but hopefully he could have caught us. outside of Vietnam, civil rights, uh, all these different types of things and he was just killed, you know, at 46 we lost him, what did he lose? Well, he lost time, he lost time with his kids, he lost time with Jackie, you know? There is a book out there that I would recommend. It is preceded by Carolyn Kennedy and is Jackie Kennedy's memoir that was published just after JFK's death and talks about the time he spent with his children before he left. to the office and all those things he did, that's what we lost another human being, not just everything we've heard about him and his stuff, yes, he had his flaws, all three of these people had their flaws, but he He was an incredible man and this is Dorothy Kilgallen and what did she lose?

He lost time with his precious son Carrie and his other two with his children, he never got to play with them again. I have tried to tell these people that I want to investigate her death she was a mother of three forget her celebrity status get her the justice she deserves that was dorothy kilgallon what did we lose one of the greatest journalists, if not the greatest, ever existed she was like walter cronkite and david brinkley rolled into one she didn't tell you all the politics and everything else that was going on she just gave you the facts that marilyn marilyn loved children as much as she wanted to, by the way, have a son, he thought he could overcome it.

Something with Joe with Bobby Kennedy Mary would maybe marry Joe Dimaggio again and have a son and the story I want to leave you with is about Bob Levitt Robert Levitt, who was the son of Ethel Merman, who was the Broadway star and him. I met her on the scene of no business like show business and he was like 10 years old and she became friends with him and they said on the sidelines on the set I love this story and on another set they were filming what they called the prince movie brave uh and uh, marilyn got him a sword, a sword from there and they played with each other with the two swords and everything, that's the marilyn monroe that died, she was just a sin, come back, I just want to mention this.

I have had the honor of my life all my uh all my books my research books 30 of them my notes over the years all my video tapes from my criminal defense days on television all this type of stuff I have the honor of my life because my university alma mater purdue, even though it took me six years to get through it, six yes, six years, will be the archival repository of all my materials, all my work and I am not going to bring it. It's to brag, I mention it because it will contain everything that is in all my books, including the new one, the transcriptions of Jack Ruby's essay, everything will be available to researchers over the years and I am very proud of that, but I I feel very honored by this, so what is the conclusion I come to here?

Sorry for collateral damage if robert ed kennedy if robert kennedy had been prosecuted for complicity in the death of marilyn monroe, a murder in 1962 based on compelling evidence at the time he would. would have been impotent and there would have been no assassination of JFK in 1963 because Bobby's enemies would not have had to render him impotent because he would have been impotent anyway having been prosecuted for Maryland's death there would have been no assassination of JFK and then follows Also, in 1965, Dorothy Kilgallon would not have been murdered for what she discovered about the JFK assassination because there would have been none.

Those two lives would have been saved if Bobby had been prosecuted for Marilyn Monroe's death. The courts of history would have changed. There is no doubt about it, the course of history would have been changed, so this is what I will leave you next to my desk, excuse me, next to my desk, I have this saying that the dead cannot cry out for justice is the duty of the living to do it for them three three people all were denied justice when they died neverthey should have died like I say so it's my uh my job to be their voices with my books and try to influence everyone So, uh, I've written a letter to the Los Angeles district attorney demanding that they reinvestigate Maryland's death.

If you feel strongly about that, contact the Lada if you strongly believe that Dorothy Kilgallon was murdered and that the NYPD should investigate. that if you firmly believe that stephen fagan lindsey richardson and nicola langford and a professor named hollifield who runs the sixth floor museum in daley plaza should stop distorting history in terms of the JFK assassination, do something about it, go ahead and rip off, already you know, contact. them and ask them to collaborate, please stop distorting the story about all of this because if we don't, marilyn monroe's reputation will continue to be tarnished, dorothy kilgallen's will and/or jfk will never get proper recognition because it's basically what he deserves the most. remember for assassination of jfk instead of those wonderful achievements he had, so again the dead cannot cry out for justice, it is the duty of the living to do it for them and that is something that I will continue to do thank you very much, thank you for that excellent presentation , check some questions, um, you're a man who does a lot of research, takes prodigious notes no matter where they come from, and follows clues, what kind of reviews have you received about your book that you'd like to address here tonight?

Well, I understand. There are people who still love the Kennedys. They want to remember Camelot. They want to remember all the good things that happen, but you know what? I have been criticized for that. I don't know if I'll hear from the Kennedy family or not. I offered to debate with any of them. Robert Kennedy Jr. basically said that it was Carlos Marcello and the mafia who were involved in The Death of JFK, I have all kinds of confirmation with that. I suggested to my editor that if they can get Robert Kennedy to sit down and talk to me in any kind of forum, I would do that.

Caroline Kennedy. I sent it uh, the reporter knew too much and denial of justice. I'll send him this book and ask him if he wants to talk, but you know, when I started this, I'll tell you, Tom, I was really reluctant to pursue. Bobby Kennedy and yet the evidence was so clear in terms of the fact that he was involved in the death of Maryland because he did some good things in life, the Cuban missile crisis, he could have saved us from a nuclear war, the civil rights, all that, but people need to be held accountable ron pataki needs to be held accountable uh bobby kennedy needs to be held accountable for what he did there even though he passed away and that's how I respond to criticism and I'm willing to take it for granted Although in its For the most part I have had incredible support, especially a lot of people don't know as much about Dorothy as I would like them to know, but there is a lot of pain right now about what happened to Marilyn Monroe.

Sure, and that's what I'm glad to see, but we're not even close to getting her the justice she deserves now. Can you tell us the other side of the coin, some of the praise you've received? Okay, this is your 15 minutes of fame to brag about yourself, but can you tell us about some of the praise you've received in the press? Well, the reviews have been wonderful. I've done some presentations and you know. I already have 85,90,000 views and I guess hopefully we'll have as many newspaper accounts here, other things have been positive, you know, it's pretty much the same situation as when I got to Purdue and we started talking, I thought I had the wrong guy in terms of wanting to honor myself with all my work and everything uh, I'm being humble but I'm being sincere, I'm not, I'm not an intellectual at all, uh, my wife and I spent last night with two notable women here in Dallas and one of them, Kathleen, she gave me information about the fact that she actually saw, she knew, Carlos Marcelo called him Uncle Carly, his name was Kathleen and she knew him, and you.

I know she knew of a situation where she was asked to go to the Adolphus Hotel with this man after playing with her curls and stuff like that and sitting on her lap and going down there and when she got to the Adolphus Hotel in a coffee. she saw him with jack ruby ​​these two women are remarkable one of them is a civic leader who told me that maybe she will get involved in trying to get the sixth floor museum to change their attitude in terms of what they do, you know what they are a wonderful compliment, that I hear from people and you know Facebook is amazing and the world is amazing now because I hear from people all over the world, who read what I wrote, and I'll tell you.

It's a bit funny, Tom, because people say my books are easy to read, but that's because I don't have a big vocabulary. I'm from a small town in Indiana, so I hope to be an inspiration to writers, especially. I mentor writers who want to be published, if I can do this anyone can, like I say, this was all out there, how hard was it to find Dorothy Kilgallon's autopsy? It was in the national archives, so I hope, Tom, the praise I get. Do you know I'll end up with other researchers taking my research and doing something with it that would also be a huge compliment?

I find it interesting, even in the '60s, they had the unconditional call to think that if they could buy every copy, I've been associated with books most of my life, there are things like a second printing, yeah, well, I don't know if there really was back then because obviously, there were a limited number of copies, Frank Capelle was a very controversial character, they talked bad about him and everything, but if you read the FBI documents to which they sent the book to Bobby Kennedy, it They had it read, it had all these accusations in there, I mean, he knew it could easily get to the media, it wouldn't.

I've gotten into the media as it is today, but probably all it took was a journalist, but you know, Dorothy Kilgallon never really wrote too much about warts and all with JFK or with the Kennedy family. I think they felt that way back then. a lot of it was just personal and everything that way, so that's the only reason I can see, but as far as I know, there's no second printing at the time and that book basically talks about censorship, I mean, basically that's what happened, but yes I can imagine the Kennedys combined with the FBI going out and buying copies, that's a little hard to swallow if you think about it.

Your wife is a librarian, how did she help you find information you didn't have? Well she is my conscience regarding what I do in my job I love her very much I hope you don't mind I'm going to mention her name Gana Lou She is a librarian at Santa Clara California Santa Clara University She is a catalog librarian there She keeps me honest uh the The only dispute we really have is that she loves footnotes and I don't, but we're over it, we're over all that, but you know, she reads my stuff, she's very detailed, she's a supreme editor, so You know she is. my partner, she has really made a big difference, this book is a very thick book, I mean, it was incredible for me, you know, a book is incredible for you, who don't know it, and my wife Lou really knows it, I think I compare it. to an artist and I don't want to say I have the creative ability that they have, but they start with a canvas, there's nothing there, well that's what I do.

I start with a page and there are no words there, this new one the book has one hundred and eighty-five thousand of them it has the longest subtitle I think the story is worth collateral damage the

mysterious

deaths

of dorothy kilgallon by marilyn monroe and dorothy kilgallon and the ties That links them to Robert Kennedy and the assassination of JFK, okay, that's a handful and yet, you know, it's 15 years of investigation. I've never written about three people before, but she keeps me honest and she's as responsible for my books as I am. What was the biggest challenge you had when writing this book?

Putting it all together, it was a giant sized puzzle because of how I handled it, but it turned out to be a blessing, like I said, normally you'd go ahead and investigate the death of Maryland first in '62, then JFK, then Dorothy. Well, I didn't. that first jfk because of the melvin belley situation and all that in the 60 elections then i got into dorothy and her assassination of jfk and everything that was going to leave but then i investigated maryland's death but when investigating maryland's death it opened a lot of new ideas for the JFK assassination, as well as for Dorothy Kilgallon, so it turned out to be a blessing, but I thought you know when I sent the manuscript to the editor and what I do in the book is I alternate the three stories, okay , I start with maryland, then jfk, then dorothy and I do all this and I sent it to the editor, I thought they were going to come back and say: mark, this is a disaster, this is a disaster, you need to move this here and that and everything doesn't I could believe it when I received it the day I received it and the editor said this is a great bookmark.

Very cool, I thought I don't know how all this came about, sometimes you don't know, that's the creative process. I love that and any creative person will tell you that the most fun is publishing the book, all the other things, but it's the creative process that I love. This question is from the virtual audience. This is a fascinating presentation that we are experiencing. several interruptions one is in frisco others in dallas will you be able to make a recording available for viewing in the future and this is from richard and karen the answer is absolutely categorical yes and it will be posted on youtube about two weeks or maybe less and uh , and when you watch it, be sure to subscribe to Allen City Channel 16, where we have about 500 video highlights for you to watch from previous shows and this will be added to the canon.

It's amazing to me. like I told Tom before, you know, in the old days, you know I'm 76 years old, so I know what the old days are. I would have talks about my legal work or whatever and you spoke to an auditorium full of people. that was it that was all good and I said I told my wife today I said you know uh this this will be on YouTube it's like talking to the world it's just fascinating that that happens and this library is amazing you know give me one opportunity my second time here I love it tom and I and these uh these gentlemen aaron and kevin who helped put this whole presentation together this is my first time giving a presentation and I don't think I've done too badly use a clicker to change the slides , okay, I'm getting it, I'm getting pretty good because my previous big achievement was learning how to use a screenshot on the computer, as you can see, I'm a complete.

Techno Dope, but all these people have helped me look good today. Well, thanks for joining us.