Vecinos acusan a mujer que tendría secuestrada a su hija hace 16 años - Contigo en La Mañana

And even yesterday during the break we were moved when we found out immediately because a group of neighbors claims that a woman has been locked up for 16 years, a case that impacts the entire community, all the residents of Viña del Mar, the neighbors ask for help, we have a complete report we will be live from there we will see the report the report I don't know if she and Martínez and this xv continued with her she starts shouting things that someone had seen in that apartment and the lady and she is already sleeping there or not sleeping There the neighbor confirmed that the daughter was always locked up there in the drug addict's apartment.

Those people should worry and not get involved in the lives of others who take care of their daughter. If they don't have it locked up for 16 years, Mr. Cahuín in Río de la of the people down here and on the other side if you go out you get together with friends and a normal life no why why not a story that left an entire community shocked a woman who is denounced by her neighbors for supposedly having locked up her own daughter in her apartment for more than 16 years, a case that impacts the sea line and help that becomes imperative, you, how do you find this situation normal, madam, having your daughter locked up who is not listening to me, that I have her locked up because I can't They let us see them without cameras, they say that it didn't come out today that it didn't come out yesterday Leyla Cortez is part of the neighbors of this community of Viña del Mar who still can't believe what she discovered through those coincidences of life when she found out about an alleged robbery An authority like this arrived at this department, some glasses were stolen from Councilman Rodrigo Page, where a neighbor told me who had been responsible for finding the glasses at the home and the person who had stolen them was not at the home. knocking on the door and that when I felt a bad smell that spread through the department, I approached the police officer who was just at a meeting where we had the headquarters and they accompanied us to the place where they verified the bad smell and started knocking on the door to see if There was a voice from a girl asking who we were and the police told them that it was them, please if Mrs.

Irma was there and mentioned that her mother was not there because she had gone to buy the eyes and how would she have found out about that? reality, one that he could not believe, that woman that he had seen in his villa on more than one occasion would have had his own daughter locked up since she was 14 years old. The police told him why there was such a bad smell coming out of his apartment, he said, could he come closer so they could talk? with her and she says no because she was locked up and she couldn't leave the apartment but that her mother was already coming because she had only gone shopping.

We tried to start a conversation with the girl or see her and then we approached the neighbors and the neighbors commented That girl has been locked up since she was 14 years old, so she began to find out what was happening in the apartment, a worrying scenario considering that there were constant arguments between the woman and Sweet mutually, now she is having a bigger fight with her mother, but only the voices can be heard. of violence on the part of the mother towards her daughter and from the daughter and the mother clearly after consulting with her neighbors I assured her that the woman only visited her daughter in the apartment but that according to her they did not live together as she knows that It is true that all this time it is because of the neighbors themselves and because of the situation that they are already experiencing because I get it when I was in the place and I was in the place two more times and she no longer opens the door, she does not have water, the food is for her.

He takes the mother as he discovered and claims that I do not live with her because the mother has two others visible in the Naval Glories sector. I am on the other side. She lives elsewhere. She lives with her current partner, Leila. One understands why if the neighbors knew that she would have been locked up. They did not make the complaint, the only evidence is from the year 2013 in the cesfam and others presented that it says would have come to nothing. In the year 2013 2015, they made a complaint about being a fan of Reñaca Alto and which, as a fan, they made the complaint to the courts and that came to nothing.

There was no follow-up either from the justice system or from the side. It is difficult to find other testimonies. Many of my neighbors in Villa Nuevo Horizonte are afraid, they fear reprisals from the woman's mother and relatives. He had not seen anyone in that apartment and they already sleep there or they do not sleep there. The neighbors confirmed that the daughter was always locked in the apartment. Mrs. Adriana saw more than two decades ago in this residential area of ​​Naval Goals, just as her neighbors say. I was aware of the supposed confinement due to comments, as I tell you, people commented about the girl's presence, but when she was a girl I knew her, when they just arrived, the marriage arrived with its logic, in that apartment the mother lived with the husband and two basic daughters and at what time did the husband live there many years ago since he died then he died of course many years ago that he is no longer here and then he leaves the other daughter the other daughter does not live here nothing can be done with her because she insults if the children are on the scale one comes down and insults 20 because one did it I report it sir because with her you can't call yourself I need to be here on my balcony she starts to shout things of course just like her many say no They wanted to make complaints, one out of fear of not getting involved in their lives because that's how people are, we have a lot of problems with many neighbors and many times when one speaks, one is threatened out of anger for the sake of rage and they are indignant because a complaint with the daughter 60 years old, the two of them always fight, they always yell at each other, you have always had problems with her, have you ever seen your daughter leave the apartment, which I have never seen, but you feel it, she yelled at the fight, you saw her leave, now she accompanies us to the apartment. where the woman would have locked her daughter we want to talk to before the third floor as you can see above the glass where it is broken and is always empty if the neighbor sandra at the neighbor sandra in the neighbor sandra didn't know anything either if they have knowledge of the situation and because one saw only returns that don't stop there, they can ask her when you don't know, she can call neighbors by phone to shine.

You passed by here frequently when the operation is carried out and the meetings are broadcast just now and she never told you It had attracted attention not because this department stands out for the closure it has where there is no access to enter, as for one to do a door-to-door diffusion. There is tension. The social leader assures that he will not rest until they help the women appear. We are going to enter the apartment. In the next few minutes the neighbor is talking about the other one who was a resident at this moment who I spoke to.

You realize that it is difficult to enter very complicated places, super complicated, thank you sir, maybe many are unaware of the situation that was happening. Well, Mrs. Irma, Mrs. Irma. in this obvious society and after going up to the third floor we managed to talk to both of us, we are from Chilevisión, the program with you in the morning we wanted to talk for a moment. I don't know why you don't worry about the intellectual elite agent who is here in this drug addict place of that kind. People should worry and not get involved in other people's lives if you take care of your daughter, millions because it is said that you have her locked up, she is 16 years old, lady, it's a good mess of the people down here and on the other side locked up, here comes my daughter We just wanted to know if you were locked up here as some neighbors say, these are lies and my years were never locked up because what if they don't say that they never see you on the street because it doesn't kill me and how long ago did you come to live in this house that is, I come It's temporary and now I came for the national holidays there but there are neighbors who say that you, I'm always here, you just invented stories that leave more questions and the testimonies that contradict what the woman's neighbors expressed, they didn't have them or you sleep here too and your partner also sleeps here and they tell me that you went with your boyfriend somewhere else, it's a lie because everything now they tell you that you are locked up and 16 years old, sir, that food from those people because they have the daughter of your cohabitant from people who are those who are in jail for drugs and erased an aspect that draws attention is the smell of decomposition at the entrance to the apartment, a worrying reality and here a bad smell is perceived here in the apartment, lady is living in good conditions, I feel this bad smell outside if there is a smell like the society is not the society of the dogs over there it's okay if I'm okay you that bring the day closer you work and leave the apartment yes but now at this moment no because as I told you I already lost it the key but he went out with my mom but I'm a nice guy so he has the identity card no he hasn't gotten it yet my mom also always loses it and she took it out recently like two weeks ago she's been going out she hangs out with friends in a normal life not now not because because so when you do not leave the apartment it will be a week you have been locked up here for a week not locked up for example today you left the apartment and yesterday neither and last month in the past if it seems to you normal to be locked up here all day well my life I'm already 30 years old but the people of the 30 year old woman go out and share with friends but one week I don't notice no matter how many attempts we made to get to know the home they live in we were not successful we could enter a moment talk to you on good terms talk on good terms that you will show us your reality madam you want to show your face to clarify all these situations and we will show your face you cannot show your face madam you are afraid that the complaint against you will investigation that is being carried out against him the government is investigating this case the seremi and investigate the department can show like this that they are going to give us here I ask you why they have not said that everything is dirty here there is a bad smell out here What we can see here through the curtain is only you, you also have water, you don't have electricity, you have because you don't have water, because you haven't paid the water bill, how do you find this situation normal, lady, and having your daughter locked up, I'm not accusing myself of I have her locked up because then she doesn't let us see the one without cameras and she says that she hasn't come out today that she didn't come out yesterday without water with the broken glass with a clear unsanitary situation well but they feel the smell there is no one believes in the version She arrives because she says that her daughter is fine, she supposedly arrived for certain countries because she is supposedly not well.

The girl has a story that repeats it and has repeated it constantly throughout the day. The person who confronts her is the authority who knows. of this serious scenario wanted to be present to hear about the complaint, this is a case where unfortunately there are precedents that lead us to make the decision with the good hour of paradise to establish this complaint for possible permanent physical abuse that we want to investigate. know the truth that they seek then by bringing the case to justice and today precisely where we working with the leaders are supporting this information in such a way as to investigate that the agency is relevant in this case the prosecutor's office determines the investigations to reach To clarify the truth, it is in this regional secretary where the concern arises, taking into account complaints made previously by those who did not have the opportunity to start investigating the background.

In fact, there is a complaint in 2013 and in 2015 that was made by the family health center and made by professionals in the sector. where unfortunately absolutely nothing happened, probably no importance was taken among the women's neighbors. Today there is only the conviction that it is necessary for someone to help them. If a girl is 30 years old, it is not the life of a person as it can be clearly and To get them out of there, they are going through well, the gentlemen have all the authorities to take charge of this case and to come and see her as soon as possible so that they can do a medical check-up and know that she is psychologically well, maybe obviously she is not going to It's okay because it's been fourteen years, fifteen years that this young woman has been locked up there, but we need the authorities to be present.

The last few hours in this neighborhood have been tense, even the partner of the mother of the woman who would be in the apartment came out in defense. She assured that she has never been locked up against her will. We want to see how the girl is and we want to see why, gentlemen, I miss that a person leaves us a house in 16 years. We have options. We don't have options. We differ from water. What things do you have the option? to keep you through you we have options but she chose that too but she has not gone out to a hospital she has not gone out to the doctor she has not gone out to get meat no new part came out in 16 years they are very strange she because she does not want to go out she is afraid of We too can get out locked up to understand why many things are said many times there is speculation there is subtitling on wii but I tell you one thing I tell you one thing she is well done and she is her decision that she lived like that each one chooses they are clear everything in between of the attention among the neighbors who during the last few hours have confronted the woman's mother because she does not come out to talk to us the video your eyes do not kill or your eyes but teaching the art I feel guilty about you it is your mother that makes you has like this if they don't have me a phrase show yourself to know that they have no way of being aware that it's okay your health is not interested and also teach to miss this there is wind I don't live thisLady, these people invented everything out of hand and they don't get an identity when you tell me, let's see, that doesn't concern me because you haven't gotten your license since you were 7 years old, please, that's why we want to know if that's not real because decides to stay inside and not go out so I don't want to I'm a would you have television to the state of your bedroom the TV is ruined but I have internet maybe now to solve all this are you the one who has decided not to go out singing autumn I'm not It has been years since what I say has cost us anything and obviously I have, but the point is that what they say is not real.

Added to this is the arrival of police officers who attended the property during the night to remove the woman from the apartment by order of the prosecutor's office. a complaint that necessarily needs to be investigated and the alleged confinement against his will proven or concrete measures taken to never hear about a complaint like this again. Well, a shocking story, really, the truth is that Pacho Burgos is on the sea line, he is with the neighbors, he is with the people who were concerned from the beginning about this situation so that we can stay with you, please, if we are with him and us, she is one of the three people left on this blog, which is where Marion lives and where Mrs.

Irma lives, who has been here since start and we heard about living here tremendous concern from you for a long time and we heard that she says no, I am here because I want to be and I don't live here I live in the south different applications how was the story here you stopped seeing it at 14 years old They stopped her, she stopped going out, good morning, look here, I'm from the year 96, I arrived with my young children who are the same age as Lalola. The truth is, Mario's, she is the girl who is here, her mother leaves her alone to bring pure You have junk foods and water they have a macro living.

Some time ago we made many complaints they never gave us the time they never gave us a space to be able to arrive on time the courts never sent us one either saying that the lady does not show up but this comes a lot time of the year that I saw here until about seven years old she began to hit each other with all the problems they hit each other they shout here the oldest neighbors of the workers know the whole situation because you can hear it because she doesn't even have a glass because they have Broken in the same situation that they fight, they hit each other, they sit in the canal.

The last thing is that you saw Marion's face, so to speak. The last thing is that you saw her come out, go down the stairs, take a walk, and that was in the year when Lola She was 15 years old, she was at the high school here in Villa del Mar, studying there. We saw her arrive and enter. Then suddenly we didn't see her anymore. We were surprised because we felt the girl upstairs but she didn't come down, but we didn't always hear her talking, always when they fought, when they screamed. When the girls say things to their mother because she is leaving Marion is 30 years old today to say this is 15 years ago yes that's how it is 15 years ago we don't see the girl but we hear her every day The mother comes in, comes in, goes out, brings her water in drums, in which here my neighbor on the first floor has any problem because all the points are connected and all the bad smells come out from all the ducts that we have inside our apartment, there are children here, many neighbors They had to go because of the situation, because one thing they had, they couldn't be calm in their apartment and Julio and everyone, well, everyone who is on the panel, some data to get into the conversation, Evelyn is listening to you, Macarena Leporati, that our producer talked at length and lying with her yesterday, just as they have not been without water for two years, we have spoken with the authorities.

She has not had her license up to date for at least seven years. She does not have a health record. She does not have a social record. She does not appear in any municipal or state records. health of absolutely nothing so it is a worrying situation no no to the doctor no to the dentist it is not going to do anything at all no and the truth is that four months ago I also went to the doctor's office and I also declared it came to the existing one and he could not speak with inclusion, I already revealed how you are, a pleasure to thank you for talking to us this morning and I can't tell you if tell me, come', the girl above has no ties because of course she doesn't have a social file, she doesn't have a card, she doesn't go to school or she let herself go to school.

She doesn't work but she doesn't have a friend to visit her, like her mother, a person, a friend or a cousin, she doesn't have any connection with anyone, so what you're asking me is very good, because we, she has a sister who's older than many years and doesn't help her. We see that she didn't come a year ago to see that she came with a young daughter she she I'm out because here the screams are very frightening and the mother and daughter fight a lot and the daughter reproaches the mother for leaving her alone that the couple goes with him that he already has and the truth is the things that are the processes that we have called the police have come and we had never given him the space to be able to declare how it should be how the curious situation is now we were able to speak with that sister her name is claudia son sisters with different parents, we talked to her and Claudia has seen her sister since 2009, that is, ten years ago, that was the last key, now, when was the last time you talked to Marion, at some point you had that opportunity to start a conversation with her because I also imagine that she left school, I don't think, years because she played with us when we were girls, all the girls from there that I saw talked to the girls, but from school she came to the first place, she gave me more updated each vineyard of the sea but that's as far as it went because I saw her chicken, my daughter also had the beautiful one in that high school there but very far away and she never came close to my daughter I rebelled to understand a little since we cannot enter the place How many rooms does that apartment have?

All that the apartments have are two rooms, but it seems like inside she has the cigar that came here, it was just one bedroom when they gave us these social houses, Evelyn, and social assistance is what you mention. He says that you have resorted on several occasions, managed to talk to them, enter the house or like the other journalist did or see Madrid that he spoke through the window and why has nothing been done if from that time when I did not go to consultant and I spoke with the appointment Claudia was in that act the social worker was there and she came to the home I opened the door the hood of us we have a condominium type is to protect us from everything that happens around us and the truth is the thing that she came and spoke with Marion through the curtain too and there she explained to him and from there it seems that she gave a summons to go to the office of the only time she went and gave up the help of doctors what also caught the attention is hearing that they listen to where they need a fight inside what type of fight what are they referring to there are screams they hear that things are broken or blows again for example yes yes it is heard in wordpress they hear screams they hear that they have things they hear noises of sticks hitting people the jury and the doors and so on there is a lot of violence much less the arguing violence on the part of the mother of the anemic because or vice versa yes yes from the mother towards the daughter boy if you give me a second we have to insert Julius Caesar because the health department is reaching out to people and that is important we also want to listen to them so when the mother arrives and leaves the time it is closed because it is open that is when the mother leaves because she goes every day yes when the lady leaves the department she said key I tell you because we because we realize with the neighbors that she is leaving she is arriving because she closes the door normally like a human being she throws the door so much here slamming the door loudly and it shakes me there are neighbors who I see in the other corner of the blog and yesterday I was talking to a new neighbor who bought, he asked me what was happening, why so much blow and I explained to him why since I did not come to the president not to see the blog and also but obviously it is required because because It was relevant because there is a difference that that door is left open Marion can go out at night even in a case of fire emergency and another thing is that it is closed that left her locked in I think that this subtlety is very important if we send pancho talking let's go let's go to touch on that topic again but it was important to make it regrettable so there is the governor there is also jimmy torres and the director of the health directorate here it is also important to understand this with now what is being done what is the work that needs to be done From the point of view that he no longer has a record, he is a student, he has I don't know what can be done, finally, it is also good here and it is important that we have been on the ground for more than a week, obviously supporting our leaders who are bravely very supportive of us as a government.

What we have done is a formal complaint before the public ministry or simulate a record that is known to the prosecutor, realizing that there is at least a reasonable doubt that something is happening with Marion. We have a record from 2013 to 2016 and of course the state of the department and I personally was I say it there, of course, I cannot enter nor interview with her, but the state of the deplorable department does not have basic services and the most important thing is that we call Marion's mother on the Dilma fiber, the state needs to connect with you, the provincial government. health corporation is the seremi also of social development because you are absent from knowing how Marion is doing from the point this is so health to receive the benefits of course this is very complex for a community that is concerned it is 5 mm and the director is complex We know something about her health, there is a file that has been able to be entered here, there are possibly mental health issues, unfortunately we were not able to access when to do the patient's health status, unfortunately the family did not help much in this, that's why it is that from the day we found out about this situation we requested a non-voluntary hospitalization that a procedure that health performs to determine the status of someone when this person is not in a position to want to accept a medical evaluation and we carried out that procedure and we are waiting only the response from the base hospital, which in this case from the Salvador hospital or some hospital in our jurisdiction to be able to evaluate the patient, what to do if someone approaches the window, we are going to be there soon, there is a bad smell when One talks to Marion, obviously her story does not agree from what the neighbors say, the relationship between them is very tense, obviously she is 30 years old but it seems that she is not talking to a 14 year old girl, of course, they were actually mainly experiencing family dynamics that are quite mentally altered and we as health are quite busy with that because it is evident that there is psychological damage and we do not know the dimension now we are only observing that there is an unstable dynamic but in fact she is not alone, there is a family dynamic in the mother's case. stepfather also has to account for this, yes, forgive me, the residents of Brickell are talking, the president of the blog told us that I already filed a complaint that I was a social worker at some point, this step towards the health system, do you have any information, do you have a The old history of the case is clear, indeed, how this escalates through the office's complaint and that is why the support of the neighbors is so important in these processes that are social.

They report to us a strange situation for them. We immediately send an assistant. social of our family health center where all the facts reported by the neighbors are recorded and from that point of view when that report from that social worker does not arrive we file the complaint to the family court because we contract that there are violations of rights what is the The right for our area is the right to health. For this reason, the family court took cognizance of this report and we also believe that there is some psychological damage to the patient. What we are requesting is that there is a non-voluntary hospitalization as a result of the context does not allow us to enter to know her state of health to really know what the situation is that she has perfect thanks torres director of the team we are the governor also marian los angeles de la paz thank you very much you are not with us we are also going here talking with Of course, the neighbors are going to go up and try to talk to Marion and have snacks.

Irma tell me the wide vehicle is transporting you and we are going to try to talk to Mario in the river. We try to go with Evelyn and the truth is that we are with a note from Madrid and Bayern. of talking with mother and daughter, he arrived at the place but for a long time he managed to get them to talk to him through a small window that can be seen there with a white curtain. We are going to see the entire conversation below. To whom with you in the morning with you in the tomorrow and we wanted to talk for a moment, I don't know why you don't worry about the current people who live here in this drug addict place, those people should worry and not get involved in other people's lives.

You take care of your daughter if I take care of her. I am careful because it is said that you have kept her locked up for 16 years, Mrs. Cahuines, in the network of people down here and on the other side, you have never had her locked up, ever, because you come, my daughter already lives alone, we wanted to know if you were locked up here like Some neighbors say the lie was never locked up here becauseWhat if they don't say that they never see her on the street because it doesn't kill me and how long ago did she come to live in this house that is seasonally and now she comes for the national holidays there but there are neighbors who say that you, I'm always here alone, you invented it but madam, each one has obtained and you sleep here too and your partner also sleeps here and they tell me with your girlfriend somewhere else because everything now they say that you have your daughter locked up for sixteen years sir those foods because they have the daughter who are cohabitants of people They are the ones who are in jail for drugs and donkeys and there is a bad smell here in the apartment, lady is living in good conditions, I feel this bad smell of flowers and there is a smell like dirt, it is not the dirt of the dogs of there you are fine if it is fine if you want to bring the day closer you work I don't work and you are already leaving the apartment but now at this moment not because as I told you I lost the key but I left with my mother but the thing is that I am majo de flour so he has the identity card no he hasn't gotten it yet my mom also always loses it and she got it recently like she's been going out for about two weeks she hangs out with friends in a normal life no now no why because It won't be a week, the hill has been here for a week, don't lock us up, I don't want to go out, but for example, today you left the apartment, I didn't want to, and yesterday I didn't want to either, and last month, last month, if it seems normal to you to be locked up all day Here, well, look at me, I'm already 30 years old, but 30-year-old women go out and share with friends, but one week there isn't much, we could come in for a moment, talk to you on good terms, talk on good terms, you won't show your reality, lady, you don't want to. show your face to clarify this whole situation, come out and we will show our face, no, you cannot show your face, lady, you are afraid of the complaints against you, of the investigation that is being carried out against you, the government is investigating this case, the seremi investigate The criminals cannot show the apartment like this, it's not that I'm asking you because they haven't said that everything is dirty here there is a bad smell out here that we can see you through the curtain only you also have water you don't have electricity you have water and why?

You don't have water because you don't because you haven't paid the water bill no I'm not like you find this situation normal madam and having your daughter locked up I'm not accusing myself of having her locked up because then she doesn't let us see her without cameras 30 years old He already says that he has not gone out today that he did not go out yesterday these conditions that conditions without water with broken glass with a clear unsanitary situation he does not feel the smell that there is good there he is in Madrid that yesterday he tried to communicate with Mario with his mother we are with alex droppelmann clinical psychologist with us alex thank you very much for coming to the program well you are carefully looking at the image this is what calls us so there are four of us let's go with you alex is outside pancho pancho department yes that's right marion is there marion we are trying to talk to several marion We are distribution well Marion's doubts continue about what we were talking about yesterday about why you don't come out we talked to your sister with Claudia and she hasn't seen you for 10 years because why don't you leave your house because you are there they have you locked up and because we can't enter Let's talk to you, Marion.

Yesterday we heard that I argued, you were very loud with your mother. I didn't argue with my mother. You saw that those people or boyfriends wanted to force their way into each house. Yes, the neighbors are worried. The neighbor told you what she wanted. See, I wanted to see what you said so much, Mrs. Irma. We can go in and talk to you, healthy. We are not interested in knowing whether the people from the health department are here or are they here because they are worried. They haven't had water for two years, but they haven't come and they were supposed to go. to come from Monday to Wednesday but several are two years yes but we go like this they have received help from your authority it doesn't seem strange to you mario that it has been at least 15 years since you have left this house if I could corroborate I would see that that There are no troops, we talked to your sister, it remains that at least 10th of 2009 the neighbors listen to you here every day but they don't see you going out at all in 2009 I was in Los Castaños and that was perhaps the case when I was 14 but several neighbors listen to you here every day they listen to tubes they listen to each other arguing with your mother the lady on the first floor hits her grandchildren the grandson gets up on a question and they make a tremendous scandal that they have to see that I don't know if it's true They removed it but but the issue that good but the issue that sticks to the grandchildren does not want to go but you do not want to receive help that the water issue be resolved two years ago I want the mind the water to regret because taking advantage of the fact that the shrimp authorities there is the governor there is the director of health only the water and salt to the water but why not and why not allow themselves to certify other things if this has nothing to do with it a hot dog feeds on people ask him if the authority can The governor and the health man come in to talk to them without cameras to solve the problem and you and you would allow the health director to come in or talk to you alone without a camera and only if this is perfect will we all coordinate the summary so that he can come in for a little while longer to solve these issues because it is not normal for you to go two years without water, how they bathe like they cook, with the water we go if you look at how, ask him why for seven years he has bathed like they cook, for example, if not He has water there and he's also going to bring me water too and the food thing is that he bought water water for the rose bushes as a complete buyer but it's just that yes but yes a week ago you told me yesterday that he lived in the south yes too Is your brother there?

Yes, no, I haven't seen her, Pancho. You finished school because it was important to finish. That's a worry, but I couldn't spend time with some friends because I'm lazy and you have friends who come to see, yes, but it's not something personal. I'm not going to talk about it. I have The next thing is the neighbors and the authorities are concerned because basically what they say is that you who do not leave this house there is an issue that since there is no water it is felt but why not no they do not open the door for me I enter without the camera but we can talk mari even if we can because I can witness maybe what you say is true but not because she does want to talk to us then everything is fine if only the water thing that the health problem is fine You feel good, it's been saying, if you haven't gotten cold like everyone else because of the weather, in terms of going out if I go out, tell me July of July, well, two things, first, I don't know if hydrophones can do it, and second, the mother asks, why not?

He has had a license for so long, the amount Marion Marion is so important, yes, the center is bigger, what we want and what else, and that we talked to the authorities, yes, but we are only focusing on the window, don't worry, just the window, as long as you don't open the curtain, it won't go away. Let's see nothing or it's just a curtain the authority tells us that you don't have meat that you don't have a health record that you don't have a social record that's also important and bigger yes I'm going to accept it but but that has nothing to do with it but it is It is important when was the last time you went to the original doctor, no, but yes, that is because I never get sick, we have always had a cold, yes, because I am my father, he was a trainer, your father was a police officer, therefore, you have health, it is precision, but you have not had the need. maybe go to the dentist for a check-up.

Many times, you can't not be sick, but you have to go and get checked. That should perhaps be a preventive check-up and I was going to take a dental x-ray, but in the end I didn't go. It has to be removed, but that was a long time ago because As I say, I never go to the doctor, I never get sick more than cold, it's like that because you didn't take that x-ray, not because after it gets better and we can talk to Irma's rise also if it goes bad so eventually they focus and come back then Mrs.

Irma Can you please come a little closer, we are not showing just a curtain that listens to us from afar, so there, yes, gentlemen, ladies, the neighbors say that when you go out at night you leave it locked, that does not allow you to use the bars, but this door does not. It's even wrong, that's a lie. You want it because it seems to you that at least what we've talked about with the people who live here who say they listen to music but don't go out on the street, that information that the authorities have has appeared in every entry. that apparently she has not had records for at least 15 years, that is a lie and a lie, the lady, those people are drug addicts here, the market is na, the mother closes the crazy root, they catch up with criminals who are in jail, which is What do you worry about your children because for ten years you have not spoken or seen each other with Claudia if I leave my daughter she told me that since 2009 she has not seen Mario to find us my granddaughter and her and we have He went to me but we talked to Claudia and he told us that he could no longer give me information regarding the state of health or anything about you because she hasn't seen Marion for 9 years 10 years ago I'm not an addict, he hasn't seen me but but that's not the case.

It has nothing because I miss not seeing your sister and that nothing I don't want 1 marion after everything that has happened no you don't feel like going out on the street but if I go out with the neighbors they don't beat you the neighbors don't see you going out for mariotto They are worried because they listen to you everything you like they listen to you talk every night they listen to you every night here but they don't see you go out no if they don't listen to me at all because here there is no noise or anything and it entertains you you have a television you have to start or internet at the bottom if you want I can look for a video on YouTube so that you believe it or not it is necessary but the internet is enough for you yes but if I go out like I told you and a week ago where in the south do I live I am not going to give information about it 15 thicknesses of my private life and how they are here I know that they can go to any part of the country where you went for 21 seconds to walk and I know where you are from if no no I don't have to give you information about my life and but but you walked here through the neighborhood and the neighbors had nothing yesterday a lady and a lady came and that's why if they had it was like 20 words yes it was my mother and the passions were strong but you think they threw the stones at you yes because in our text they also always do things like that and why do you think it went beyond summary because they have bad feelings for my mother and me too because we don't mess with anyone my mother responds to what they tell her because I don't know why but but they are they are different because they are violent they hit her yes on the first floor they hit my daughter like that but but you think that but you think that it they are angry with you or with your mother why because yes I don't forbid anything but when it goes beyond yes no but when you when when they are going to get your card for example when it was to get your health card only when the outfit because they were supposed to come between Monday and Wednesday they called the company but they haven't We've been here two years ago, Pancho, well, we're talking to Mariotto, well, they're trying to justify that he hasn't left, he says that this legation came out a week ago, that he really lives in the south and none of the neighbors on the block, we've seen that there is no adversity and it doesn't encourage me. of the neighbors against them in the entire report or previous that we have done this information that is already in the portals of the fifth region let's say we were not the ones who discovered this case either let's say I was investigating years ago this case is already in the media this case It is already available to the people, it is on some portals for a couple of days, we have picked up the case and we have not been concerned, so in the report or prior we have realized that the location does not have any animosity towards it, on the contrary, it has a lot of concern about what is happening because apparently what mario wants to express is that she voluntarily spends long hours in her apartment, of course what mario is saying is that basically she knows that the last time she went out was last week we We talked to Marion yesterday too and she tells us that she is a homebody and that her interest is to stay in the house, which is not something that leaves us out.

She likes to be in her house, she is like that, but it's been another week and I go out alone, I went to walk to showcase things like that because I'm not going to live with that anymore, of course, that's a personal choice, everton movie day, but as I told him, he's always been a big person and why, because you stopped studying Mario, I know that you You tell me that it was because you were lazy but you didn't think it was important to at least finish your fourth grade but because from there your life changes so radically that almost 10 or 11 years have already passed and from one minute to the next it changes radically but what happened in your life has a problem at school some family problem that you didn't follow your love because he doesn't have hot friends because he doesn't have any friends friends I mean he told me to keep studying but I and it's to create better development and that's a lie like that I told him, I was in it in 2009 in Los Castaños.

I did the math. I was born in 89. What does that mean until the painting arrives? Yes, but it was because I repeated but because I was lazy, just because I had good grades. Hey, you told me yesterday that you had a boyfriend. also yes but no I don't want his name or anything but but that is effective the one who comes to see here no but because I told him he is from the south and friends yes but Marion is very strange a person who does not hang out with friends who He doesn't hang out with friends who don't govisit people who don't, who don't, for example who speaks through a curtain that we haven't even been able to see, topics or he makes a presence in the same production company of his channel and this confirms it with your mother too' he is with us because We don't do something, see that Macarena can come in to talk to you here, deep down, the concern and what we want to know is how everything is going inside, Macarena, they can come in to talk to your mother and that is being processed and we have already spoken with the authority. marion to process the water is important but there are many other things that are also important marion such as for example being without water has not caused us major health problems perfect if there is another channel here also then it does not bother how they do it with the water they do it with life with with drums with with bottles drums bottles like they do it yes but that is in the place that corresponds to no it is not messy or anything but how do they solve the problem of water with drums with bottles there are more cameras I don't want Well, if you are bothered by the uncomfortable presence of the cameras, and the truth is, here we are, several of us are leaving, the others are leaving, the other colleagues are asking, do you bring canisters with water, bottles with water, and they are also going there, and I am also going there, not just for a second. well everywhere starting with May we are going to try to enter with at least another production company to talk to her to find out if she wants to change her life if she is really interested in where you have a medical record meat identity are the less compact 948 she will still be there of us second we return immediately and attention and we continue of course with this case that is clearly affecting panchos sanfurgo is currently in the viña del mar sector in pancho we listen to you so that you continue compensating precisely with mario' de mayo is very what they are denouncing is serious, you are denouncing that they have shot pellets at the windows inside the house because everyone has a bad feeling for my mother because my mother doesn't no no no and she doesn't mess with anyone no no she doesn't hang out with anyone here but no It seems strange to you that according to your mother, everyone is against you.

There is no reason, as I told her, but everything, but there are many people, Mrs. Irma, who does not smoke, does not drink, and does not consume drugs, but no, but she is not in a fight with the entire community. tourism was not at all just that these people in the because we can't talk so that in order for us to talk there is also the the the curtain the curtain is saying yes because the police broke it because in eleven my mother was in the room in the center doing the water thing and buying buying and they took advantage of entering like that, breaking the curtain because they wanted to do it but they had another issue that had nothing to do with it and they still misunderstood more and they entered just like that and there was no order because they didn't show them.

See if there was any order since when you have had problems with the neighbors since you remember since when they have always been bad people in what sense, what do you mean by the fact that there are always more people but you don't think it's enough that they throw stones and those issues? as valid if they tell us that you played with girls when I was younger than me but when girls and they were envious they were bad and one time I leave and even the same mother who hit her when she hit me discouraged her and that's when everything changed If that doesn't matter, at what minute did you stop talking to your friends here with your neighbors, who were already like that, we are talking to them, but I think it's important that we let things run from the commission to get an idea of ​​what Mario is like because Of course in the recording we would have each other but here we are realizing that there are several inconsistencies but look what happens is that in this case there was very little background and that is clear but finally I find that it is interesting and it is necessary to say this that as a public medium We make a complaint about a fact that is clearly anomalous and that complaint has already been made but it is not important that we do not expose this situation beyond the limits, here there is a disease, what she needs at this moment for us to attend to, let's say the truth. she has pathologies that we take care of her to give her help, let's say it's not that many to put the case that I believe has already been sufficiently exposed here clearly there is an anomaly she is not aware of the disease it's 16 years that she forgets time because she always does reference to an immediate temporary situation but it has been 16 years that this anomaly has been sustained here there must be something let's say behind it however it is already conjunctively preserved which may be of less greater commission capacity but it has the multi capacity is preserved therefore I I believe that there is a health problem here that must be addressed.

The health problem has three problems. One is social. The community must have reported this in the 16 years with much more force. Let's always say it with much more clarity and insistence. The second is a cinema is a health problem, the health problem that must be addressed is that when a person from Carlos is subjected to a situation of this type and there is denial of an illness such as schizophrenia, the minister does not want to attend to it through the ministry of health of the seremi of health of the region, let's say mandatory care can be established, what is the good time doing, let's say with the person in charge of health, as we have seen on camera, that has also taken too long, it must be done and there is to evaluate not only her but also the mother because what she is doing that is remaining in a social ostracism and is in some way living a hermit's life, perhaps voluntarily but that is harming her, is giving her all the options to that she can freely choose what to do with her life and she is somehow locked in a situation that feeds on itself day by day, let's say that the mother and her and somehow she is not being given the films of ability that the mother does not facilitate It is not true that she has access to socializing.

Well, initially with the question of studies with the question of studies, a mother, let's say she has a daughter who is not yet of legal age, has to report that the daughter does not go to school because she It is the mother's responsibility and she has to do that but you call him more than she says if I come out as a keel deep down she says she lives in the south she says she counts on Santiago it also comes out that she even has a partner version against the two of them and clear but well obviously let's say that her version is not secretly so let's say a version but there is a denial of what is already happening to her and this has to be evaluated because if it is evaluated the corresponding assistance is given and a person could have the legitimate right to choose a life of a thousand years but what the sandpaper says is not true with all the instruments at its disposal so that it is not the effect of a concurrent pathology Alex, sorry but I am struck by the fact that in her speech it is clear and not generates contradictions she says one week I'm here actually my mom the neighbors throw stones at me that is, both in the note and also in the conversation that lasted more than half an hour that partizan van had that is normal well it is a situation that a person who could have some kind of problem but she does not have cognitive problems she may have a personality disorder she has other things that one cannot assess from here because the patient does not have it we can only make a conjecture but what is clear and we cannot make a mistake and in that sense if the complaint has some usefulness, let's say, it is that there is a 16-year-old situation that is sustained over time, a joyous anomalous situation and today, how can we help this family, what really interests us as programs or how we can help, I believe that we must insist on the health authorities, that is, the first when the complaint is established, the authorities have attended, they have taken the measures they have to take and although the measures they have taken are tremendously accepted, she is going to be submitted to a health examination he is going to be subjected in some way to a physical and mental health examination because it is also necessary to evaluate him in the same way as the mother and once the panorama is clear the required social assistance will be possible and that I believe is the first important step to resolve this problem here are two facts that are still unknown, we discussed them before going on air in relation to the kidnapping qualification clearly the mother comes out and leaves him locked apparently not in one way and He says clearly denying all this there is a denial Indians dissociation with reality that the mother's requirements are accepted we don't know why the mother has her alone she goes to her house and comes back apparently not but we are not realizing that she This possibility of leaving, this freedom that is impossible, is probably under the mandate of the genesis of this problem, that is to say, perhaps it was prevented from leaving at one time and today it is domesticated in that area, it gives me the impression, I don't know if You understand me, yes, not clear, but let's say true, she points out and I change the early morning that he no longer leaves her locked up, let's say in the apartment that the key is free, that the only key on the external gate of the building, let's say it's not here, I don't think the key is set. figure of that position what she can do here is that in fact she begins perhaps due to a personality disorder that tends to stay more in the apartment and the mother favors that situation by favoring favoring that situation the world makes them smaller the world happens To be like a prisoner said, let's say it's not true of Birkenau, let's say in times of war, nor is my world having a spoon, so the world shrinks to a very tiny thing that keeps them satisfied, it has the Internet, it has this, so clearly the mother favors this ostracism. social then what needs to be done here is to do an evaluation to give her the possibilities let's say it is not true that she can access a slightly larger world and treat pathologies and three medical cases that is the case and finally she already healthy in an area of ​​freedom can choose the life she wants to lead but at this moment one supposes that that life is even in some way obstructed by ease and power in some way the incentives that the mother has generated for her to remain I need to be es This process is very interesting because when we talked at the beginning we were looking at this possibility of kidnapping and you and you said that economically she has an apparently normal knowledge of reality and during the entire period that we have listened to this dialogue with a Francis and this one has our man is very accurate because not having more tools than the ones we have everything and the public the public could be confused ignorant one in the matter could think that she is intelligent that she is there 'of her own accord' so that there is no possible harm that the relationship is absolutely abnormal but at the end of this he has concluded that if someone has illness there but I want to make a reservation I have not diagnosed it because I do not have the patient in front of me and it would be irresponsible not to tell me that I diagnosed him I simply pointed out that there is a problem There is an anomaly that surfaced after being investigated, we can make conjectures that there may be a pathology behind it.

This has to be investigated by the health authorities with great responsibility and very clearly and from there determine a line of action that allows her to have more availability. Let's say it has a wide range of options and from that option it is to exercise its legitimate freedom, that is, it needs to be done in any case and with a degree of urgency, I say, attention that finally I believe that the program we are seeing a case of it, as Alex said, it cannot be diagnose but it can be concluded that her world is in that apartment in that square and she feels, I'm sorry, that it is very normal for her to be there and that the neighbors are very happy and very rude when they worry about her, even that they throw her stones in circumstances that the neighbors have a finish reported that all the videos have been broken due to fights between them of the two of them internally we saw that attention the notes different neighbors tell us that they fight and have broken the windows not every money even after with bullets and all of that then of course what is done the diagnosis becomes urgent it becomes urgent to take her it is also urgent to evaluate her but she already has a clinical record has an amount that she appears normally the society of Rafael's electrons also with us has physical health exams left You see, with a 16-year-old girl without gynecological exams, without breast exams, without preventive exams, who is also in danger of health, there is a precariousness that we arrived in, we were faced with what the majority of Chileans are, they are 30 years old since they were 14 years old. and they do not go to the doctor Rafa I also understand that if there is a psychiatric pathology it is necessary to evaluate the relationship between the mother and daughter and it is not possible there is a denial of reality when you say that the windows are all broken because it is expected from the neighbors of the premises internal fights are brought on by denial of reality and there is a relationship between the two that is definitely not normal.

I am very responsible if I were to give up, but obviously the indication we have is that she and her relationship with her closest family member mother is not healthy, she at least needs a diagnosis from a specialist in physical and mental terms because I also think that I am not venturing too much and then if you go to lock yourself in, your pathology is grass and therisk of having a loss of notion of reality and others associated, for example, with the excess already increasing because obviously the social environment itself acts as a stabilizer in a case where you because you are losing here, boy, and also at 16 years old but there is no way out because those chains only no no it's not that they have a lot of access to leave the apartment they have to base that wanting big and they are not worried it was no longer there designs that we will see the face we do not know what she is like as an adult I think the severity that corresponds almost at the same level as the mother with all due respect but of course but since there is a vicious feedback loop and that must be studied and we must see what responsibility the wood has left in this now what this says here let's say effectively 16 years go Feeding back, let's say it's not true, a condition that at a given moment is going to be small, the world being for this little girl to the point that she can say how in some way the metaphor that I was making with the concentration camp in with a prisoner in a camp of concentration for the prisoner, his world is so small that a spoon represents a great good because it allows him to eat my name is not true the little food they give him let's say eat it all sometimes we are with hooks to the fire he is in vineyard of the sea I sent them to him, he understood that he is with the neighbors, panchos, if we are with Evelyn, meanwhile, Maca Leporati, that our producer is inside the apartment talking with Marion and Irma, they did not allow us to enter because obviously they do not want to be in front of the cameras, Evelyn, here Marion has said a lot in her and says that now it comes out that she hasn't gone out for just a week but last week she said she went out for a walk.

She also talks about how they have been attacked by neighbors with stones in the videos with posts or glass smashes. and yet a story that does not agree with what all the neighbors say is a very different story that looks at Pancho everything that they are now talking about, mother and daughter and Irma and Marion, we have been neighbors for years as I previously played with the children here on the blog with all those who were kids who came here in 96 and it turns out that they broke the windows because they know how to hit because you hit it with a stick you feel all this is all departments are so basic that you feel everything is incredible the material that It's very thin and we all feel it on one foot in front last night I felt noise sorry actually she didn't say the neighbors and a lady came and threw stones at me also to be fair I heard Mrs.

Irma because I was awake and the lady who was shouting heard her but I don't feel stone noises because I feel and my dogs that the truth is they bark when they see now I lie as a person if someone passes by but last night they didn't bark at the time she says evelyn power to ask some questions that in fairness also for Let's say give credence to Marion's version, it is possible that there is a possibility that Marion comes out and you simply do not see her because she comes out now, you do not see her or because you are not actually there when she comes out, there is that possibility or you already have at least Over the years, more or less, the certainty that she really doesn't come out because you listen to her and that's never the case.

We always listen to Marion at her house who talks, sometimes she talks to she talked to the TV at the beginning of the year because now not even tlc anymore. music was heard that she listened to and she always sang, she laughed at soap operas, she talked about them all, she also commented on the comedians, everyone who is on television at all the stops, she always commented on them and we fought and this year, like in the middle of the year, you elevate radio is not the truth then the things that caused us surprise because we do hear talk when the mother arrives that the mother at any moment leaves at any moment arrives at any moment ok to leave her water at any moment she brings her food but junk food because one sees today how we are all at a glance, I have found her in the supermarket very close to our home buying dori fries all day in three liters and that is what the girls in civilian clothes or a couple of questions that They have to do with what we have seen and perhaps Dr.

Droppelmann who can perhaps explain it much better, many of the neighbors said the mother does not let her go out, however, when one talks with Marion and listens to Irma in the background, the one who calls the shots is Marion, when the mother speaks and says, "Mom, Cayese," it sounds like "Diaz," and maybe the doctor doesn't have a crazy pain, explain, but it sounds strange that someone is against her will, but it's the one who gives the orders inside. I was surprised, "What is it that she's locked up in?" force or is she the one who doesn't want to go out well she can't go out because it turns out that the most at the same time she goes out she leaves with the call she goes out and closes the door although one as long as it is key because it didn't hit but at home she doesn't go out like that quietly nor the ring the ring does not come out that we have several neighbors in the other building who are old and they also see it and for a long time they have not seen it in years it is not two or three it is many years that we do not know we do not hear those are the glass runners that she He hits and sticks here on the wall on the doors and all that happens here in this blog and also many neighbors have left, they have come to photograph me, people have sold for the same reason, the situation here is very serious, in respect we have had the certainty that one day it was any way to leave a higher quality of life, they hit each other because they hit each other, they both insult each other, so the truth is that things are worrying here there were many young children, now there are only a few left, we continue to gather information, I get a leporati maca that She is going to tell us what happened to her because she could already see him talking to her if later we ask that the fence tell us who told her that he told her that they can talk to Marion and Irma and we are going to stay with him and also because they told us that there was like a situation with each money that all of her windows had been broken and she saw something, she completely discarded that information about a small commercial break, medium problems is that with a hint that with you the morning with pancho sanfurgo this brand lopera is talking to the family the truth The thing is that we don't want to put a camera there and we are not going to put cameras where in that conversation that is private because we want to talk about what the authorities and the family are doing in Dexia because what interests us is that at least there is an evaluation and it is known that Marion has what happens to his mother, what situation do they really live in and how can they return to society having their flesh and identity on their cards and we are going to beg you pacho that anything that the authority does not tell us to help us make a bridge Let's do it while we leave the brand with you there in that production job if we want