Tyra Banks Talks ModelLand, Being Rejected Early On, Kobe Bryant, Naomi Campbell + More
Feb 27, 2020Good morning, everyone is dej, envy, Angela, yes, everyone, I mean the type we are, The Breakfast Club, we have a special guest in the building, a legend, Tyra Banks, estranged, good morning, I'm so excited, This is the first time I am here. I know it's crazy I've been watching you Okay, he's not in the room We appreciate you You hate talking about modeling I'm here to talk about modeling A job You have your own theme park It's not a theme park It's 21,000 square feet and there's a lot inside. square feet, but it's not like we're out with roller coasters at Six Flags exactly.
So what is model and model? It's a place where you can come and live out the ultimate modeling fantasy for everyone, but in person. Can you imagine you are in person living and walking through this wonderful attraction and experience where you get professionally lit photo sessions? Actually, yes, professional lighting and tips and tricks from me. Okay, we take you through this wonderful shopping experience. We have a wig store called snatched yeah where you can buy the craziest and funniest wigs to enhance your yeah but you can wear different wigs and the wig store calls it snatched if there are some girls in the room they would laugh at that because it's worth it for anyone. he didn't have that hairline about three months ago oh well they're plugs they look real and if they're not they fit real they don't look like plugs yeah whatever makes you feel good yeah I guess so but Yes, you know.
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It's kind of a comparison of Model Land to America's Next Top Model, so with America's Next Top Model it was a TV show that people could watch, you know, watch on TV, watch on their phone, whatever, but really I couldn't live it well and in the model and you. You are entering this world where you are taking the most incredible photographs throughout this story as if you were a student at the Modeling Academy and you need to pass your exams while shopping and having an amazing time. What is the most important purpose? of modeling like, how will it help someone's fashion or beauty or even her self-esteem?
Yes, first of all I talk about this self-esteem. I'm so glad you asked that because a lot of people don't ask that. My purpose when I created this, I've been working on it for 12 years, yes, it's to do what I call the Flintstones vitamin effect, where you eat the vitamin, you chew it and it tastes sweet, but there's all this good stuff in it. there for you, so there's all these messages about fighting beauty, for example, like when you come to model and it represents this place that tells us that we're not good enough, like you know you have to be skinny, you have to be like that.
You have to be like that, however, there is like a revolution, an uprising, I almost caught it like a net. The Turner uprising, everyone who comes to model land is about that uprising and we are about to take back beauty like everything. Beauty matters in model land, but with that, but That
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said, how do you feel about a lot of these Internet models and a lot of Internet people? People, in general, get boob jobs, fake butts, liposuction. Many people are dying due to these surgeries because they are trying to get cited. in quotes, perfect, yeah, what's perfect, you know, the crazy thing is that there are these trends that come in and out of fashion, you know, at one point it wasn't a boot and everyone was taking off their boots and now it's a big loot and like you.You're getting your fake booty and then there were no breasts in your 70s and they were big, kind of big breasts in the 80s, huge breasts in the 90s, so it just goes out of style and there's a lot of pressure to look a certain way. even when I was a model, it used to be like in the past, it was normal to tell the truth, it was like this wheel in my head and then it showed me without makeup 20 years ago, it's important for people who are putting up an image to tell the truth and to show that and that is what I like and what I live.
Didn't they used to tell you that you were too tall, too thick, too thick and too black to be black and it's so weird? for me because I would feel that someone like you who would have read it would have revitalized everything very late, yeah, because you are so successful that you would think they would look for
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commercial side of modeling like Victoria's Secret and Sports Illustrated and there really haven't been any black girls like that, they've really been like a big household name, you know, and I've tried to mentor a couple of girls and stuff. , but it's not just about mentoring, it's about the industry helping that happen too, so there's still time, it's supermodel day, there were people I don't know, today there are supermodels like Ashley Graham, who is what we call them curvy, thicker, luscious and beautiful, and then there are Gigi Hadid and Bella Hadid, and you know, there are girls today who are doing it, but Jourdan Dunn is right, she has done it exactly, but just before them there was nothing like no one really showed up, maybe a few. but it's not really like that, there's a resurgence of that, but what I like about the resurgence is that it's a lot more diverse and you're seeing girls who are, I mean, Ashley, that probably couldn't have happened, that she was a fatter model and was a supermodel. ten years ago but now she's killing it for you, did you make the transition from modeling the business effortless or has it always been the business?It was always good, I was always very strategic, like there were models that I saw when I was a model in Paris. and I'm like, oh God, she's so beautiful, she looked so much better than me, she'll do her thing and surpass me, but I realized that it was actually about strategy and I feel like there are a lot of very successful people, including people in this room that we are. talented, however, there is a business and we understand how to differentiate ourselves and be different to stand out and that is a lot of strategy and a lot of business, so it was always there.
Did you have an ending back then? My mom used to tell me. leave before they left me Wow yeah she was looking at that model she was cool and sexy where is she now today? That's how it was literally a year ago and that will happen to you one day, yes it's nice, everyone wants to get tired at their fashion show, but it won't be forever, so what's the game after fashion? What's the game next? So I was always like ten steps ahead, almost afraid, a little bit like I had to make sure I had a plan.
They can't just kick me out. like
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nothing that's what causes anxiety like that uncertainty of the future that you have to control like a plan that you know is to sustain your sustainability plan. Can I still call you and want you to do fashion shows and you reject them? I literally just left. retirement, yes, last year I came out of retirement actually as a model and because here I am saying that I am creating this place where everyone can come, families of all ages, children, moms, grandparents, they can come to model and live their fantasy, but here I was.I retired from modeling because I was getting older. I needed to go, so I thought I was going to come out of retirement and I was going to come out in a big way, like if I was a boxer, I was going to come out and you know. coming in and fighting like the biggest so there was out there and I decided to do Sports Illustrated again and I was on the cover of Sports Illustrated Swim Edition last year, you act like you don't see that in me, we act like we. I didn't have a full report on it.
It was the first time the sport showed a website being completely broken. The first time I can see why it's different. Black beauty standards are different than white beauty standards. I think because the aging process is different. MMM how are you? 75 41 literally elana, my team member, we were getting ready this morning and I was getting ready, she says you know tricks with my makeup and jeans cousin, you talk about getting older, like what's what, I guess it's not what have. For a lot of people of color it's not so much getting older because you look so much older in the fashion industry, it's okay, it's time we've had enough and it's time to move on, it seems like everyone wants to do it.
Be a model now, what do you say to these young girls who want to be one or what should they try to do because modeling is not for everyone? Yeah, okay, a lot of people in my generation don't like all the internet and social media. media how it gives access to everyone. I love it. This is what I have been fighting for for so long. I remember doing interviews about 15 years ago in rooms like this and telling myself that when we get to a place where everyone has access to see some version. or vision of themselves when diversity starts to be normal I want it to be boring I don't want it to be Ashley Graham like this curvy model I want it to be oh yeah Ashley Graham she's a model yeah, whatever it should be normal and I feel like because of social media and the access for everyone to have some version of modeling, it's actually helping on the negative side with social media, you know, with a lot of stern, extreme looks that a lot of people don't have.
They understand that it is surgery, many people do not understand that it is a touch-up and so many things that can make you feel bad, you know, even people on vacation, how many times have you not felt well and then you see each other as friends? and people on vacation show up and do this and just for a hot second it makes you like just for a second you know, so imagine that being like a vulcan oh that 16 in high school and she's watching that kind of stuff and like that What I'm telling you is to stop following those people who make you feel that way, like scrolling through their Instagram, scrolling through whatever social media platforms they're on, and paying attention to what your stomach, heart, and heart are doing. , if it goes, yes. it says like this just unfollow and not even forever, maybe you can come back to that person later, but just don't follow them and keep putting people in your feed that encourage you, I mean jealousy and envy, the interesting thing, TRUE?
I don't know you're envious or something - oh my god and why do I want that yeah and some jealousy and envy could be good and positive because it pushes us to be the best we can be like oh I see what you're doing - I wish I could have that I'm going to work really hard, that's the positive side and then there's an ugly side that just makes you feel bad and that's not good, what do you say to the parents? Because you know that many parents, first of all, everyone thinks that Children are correct models for everyone and then when they walk to the mall, there is always someone with him with a headshot in the mall saying: I can make you model, so if a parent is there, first of all, those people are creepy sometimes, oh god, I mean.
I mean, even though that's scary, I always tell parents and girls not to trust everyone who comes up to them and says, here's my number. I can have your son come see me. That is scary. I remember when I had my talk show, Tyra's show. I used to do this almost like to catch a predator, similar things, yeah, except it was a setup where we had a fake photographer, a fake makeup artist, a fake casting like on Craigslist or something that said "become a model" and the girls appeared and within 30 seconds they took off their clothes because the photographer told them that I work for Vogue and I do this and I do that and then he came out and said: I don't want you to do this, what are you doing? and they Well, I heard you say I shouldn't do this.
I heard you say that on TV before. I think she's still doing it. You know you're still doing it because there's something that connects with people. that they want to feel validated and they want someone else to tell them that they are beautiful and that that is something natural and inherent within us and I constantly try to empower people to say "look in the mirror" and I will give you advice. and tricks for you to find that in yourself or you don't need that validation from another person and again but with a Flintstones vitamin and that's why I created the model and it's your place where you will feel validated, your beauty will be celebrated.
I'm getting wigs. I'm going to take photo sessions. There's a live posing class in Model and there's this whole story. In fact, the story of Model Land is through the eyes of a girl named Chucky de la Créme, who is a black girl. from Inglewood, California, and she's almost like Madeline's Harry Potter, you know, she's leading this revolution of people saying, see, you don't have to look a certain way to be beautiful, it means so many things and we've been brainwashed. to think that. We have to look a certain way and I'm trying to brainwash you another way.
I know you don't, a lot of women would look at you and say well it's easy for you to say Tyra because you're beautiful, it's like when a person who has money tells you no money and everything fine I hate when people with money say money doesn't is everything, I'm not saying that duty is not everything, I'm saying that it is important to look in the mirror and feel beautiful and I will give you tips and tricks to do it because I don't like it when a person who is a model or actress says: "My God, everything is is about the interior" and yes, it is about the interior, however, there is All this research shows that if you like this and use this color in a photo inLinkedIn, there will be more people who will ask you to attend a job interview and it's not necessarily about beauty all the time, but there are certain things you can do to elevate yourself and there is nothing wrong with that and you don't have to apologize for it , but when it goes too far, when it reaches this place of sadness and depression, that's when we have a problem.
In fact, I have been trained by crisis counselors and know how to deal. with that I have trained with crisis counselors many years ago I used to have a t-zone camp for young girls to enrich their self-esteem and not go to the mountains Sharleen I would go to the mountains for seven days and I wouldn't shower because I didn't want to be in that camp shower, it's disgusting, so I showered in the sink, if you know what I mean, but I was trained by crisis counselors and how to deal with young girls and self-esteem issues, so I took all that training and put it into model and understanding the triggers and the things that happen when people don't feel good about themselves and how you can reverse that, but again, the Flintstone vitamin, I don't need this negative reinforcement Carmex, oh my gosh, they just gave them a commercial se He's putting it like on his tongue.
Your mouth was like your finger had gotten inside. You must. Your tongue must be like on fire right now. Now I know what my lips are looking at. What is the first thing you said to me? Nobody told me Yes, the first thing I would tell you is a jury of six. I would say why what makes you feel that way, yes, because a lot of times it's not necessarily what we see about ourselves, but about someone else and a lot of the pain that what we've been through is based on someone, a loved one, a parent. , a brother, a teacher, someone who tells us we are not good enough.
We all have those people in your life who, whether you want to say it or not, told you that you will never make it. Charlemagne, this is never going to happen to you, blah blah blah, to a lot of people, but I know that comes from when I was eight and the woman who used to touch me when I was eight when I made her stop doing it. . she was telling me that she was ugly and that she had a big nose oh wow yes yes because she wanted you to make yourself feel disgusting about yourself and that you would continue to serve absolutely the shit she was doing to you absolutely yes, do you understand that?
Yeah, oh, you see you had therapy. A lot of people don't go to therapy, so you would start by asking them who made you feel not good enough, what that is in your life, and then you go from there and take it step by step. pass, I also do this with young women in large groups where I told them to close their eyes and imagine themselves naked in a mirror and find that thing that you hate about yourself and that you just wish would go away and that you hate and then we all open our eyes and we all cry in the room when we go and share and talk about it and then we give love and support to each other while we talk about it, then I make them close their eyes again if you do that we haven't closed our eyes naked in the mirror again Sometimes you turn and turn and you find something that you think is beautiful physically beautiful and we open our eyes and there is like a light that lifts up some people say my eyelashes some people say My eyebrows are on point like I just got them done and they look so good.
Some people like my butt to be thick. I don't like my waist, but I love my butt and it just turns and then what I tell people to do is when you get out of here, I want you to do this and every week I want you to be naked, but this time for real and find something else, it can be as small as your toenails, something that makes you proud and then go get those nails done every week. or every month or whatever you can afford and embellish it so it's something you start slowly you can't just look beautiful you know what helps that you like about yourself if there was something oh my gosh I always have happy cellulite from when I was super skinny my thighs are not in what you call that in proportion with my calves I don't have calves many things I'm just a master in knowing how to cover it and dress it and how to pose so you don't see that as much and that's what I'll teach you to be a model and that I teach him and a top model and that model appears everywhere.
Sometimes I want to see you until - Yeah, and then we have something called the Model and Discovery Society where, for the people who are buying tickets literally right now, when they are there every day, there will be model scouts looking for four different types of people, for what they will be Scouts. Yeah, no, but not necessarily to sign an actual modeling contract, sure that can happen sometimes, but I also want to give everyone a chance, so the first promotion we're doing is that we're looking for a father. a mother we are looking for a teenager between 16 and 18 years old and we are looking for what we call aging nothing more than a number so like any age it doesn't matter 30s 20s whatever to star in a cosmetics campaign someone who has never been a model before So you can imagine like taking your daughter modeling and having someone come up to you and go ding-ding-ding your dad did it, uh, what's your name?, he did it, uh, well, you just got discovered by the Discovery Society model and then. that's important to me to give everyone these kinds of opportunities to shine the question has been
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often in your youth did it shape your career and your work ethic that's a good question um yeah, um i like to say that my pain led me to a passion and The pain began when they told me that you know in a modeling agency.I walk in when I'm 15 and they say, "Oh, I'm so sorry, we already have a black girl" and then you look at the wall and there are 200 models and there's like a brown stain on that wall and being told that a lot and then becoming a model. and hearing that even as a supermodel you can't be on the cover of this magazine because they don't want a black girl. I like it, but my cover sold more than anyone else, it's in this magazine last month more than this other girl, so why can't I? And in the past fashion and decisions were not just financial decisions that killed me.
I didn't understand what I am. I like her, but I outsold her and I just don't understand it today, it's more about money back then, it was like my company image and this and then it didn't matter, so that was parallel, but no. the company image translates the money I guess so, but I don't know. It was weird. I didn't understand why I was selling more than my agency got the numbers, but I couldn't book the next cover and I couldn't. I didn't do this and the girls who were selling maybe 60% of what I would get the covers, so it was a little strange, then they told me: you know your butt is getting too big, you can't do these fashion shows, pain so constant, pain, pain, but. then the pain led me to passion passion to like you know what I have to do something about it what I can do and not only help myself but help other people I like what I can do and so I started my T zone camps for girls and then I started America's Next Top Model and a lot of people think I started Top Model just to say, "This is fashion and I'm going to show you how to smile and walk down a runway and be fierce, that's the Flintstones vitamin, that's the sweet part, but The vitamin and the medicine in it were really expanding beauty, so what I would do and my partner Ken Mach, who is Chinese-American and also has a passion for diversity, we would look at the landscape of women in everywhere and we would say who is disenfranchised and who.
I didn't feel beautiful, so on the first season of Top Model, almost twenty years ago, I was what at the time we called a plus-size model, people were looking at me Like she was crazy, she was going to different photo shoots for Top Model and we couldn't even. find clothes for her because the designer didn't have clothes for her and that's why she's crying and dealing with all this pain and more seasons and seasons of these girls dealing with the pain because the industry wasn't ready for them, but that was still the passion What I wanted to do to open doors for the black girl with chocolate skin with short hair now that we have our beautiful Miss Universe. 20 years ago today, you know that wasn't necessarily what mainstream America said was beautiful, so I made sure that that moment and once again I had my beautiful chocolate sisters on America's Next Top Model and strategically I was telling her you're beautiful, your photo gave me chills, look at you, congratulations, you're still in the race to become America's Next Top Model and I wasn't talking.
With her I was talking to millions of girls that look like her, so it's super strategic, so with the model and it's the next phase, it's the next phase of saying it's not a competition, you don't have to do what Tyra choose me, you choose me. You can get a ticket and come and feel so beautiful that maybe you'll get discovered, maybe you won't, but who cares, you'll go home with these amazing photos and if you want, you can get a membership and come back again and again and save. some money with the membership too, but he comes back again and again to fill that need that we all have to fill.
Validate. Have I ever tried to pit you against other black models? Not constantly, that was a black model thing, yeah, little thing, yeah. It was really hard, you know, it's really hard, it was hard for her, you know? And when I was young it was super painful and I didn't understand what was going on and why she was being like that to me, but me as an adult. He sees that she was a victim and that she was a victim of people who said they better be careful. Tyra is on the scene, she won't take jobs from them and I don't know what's going on, maybe I was booking things and she wasn't. booking it, I don't know she had a strong reaction but the adult in me likes sins more, I love her because she was a victim of tokenism and I'm just saying there can only be one, have you ever talked since then or um , Yeah? on my talk show many years ago and I talked about grief again, there was a small audience just the two of us on stage and I was still a little girl and didn't understand this system that much, this was over ten years. ago and I mean a little girl, I mean in my head she was a grown woman mentally and I thought why did you do this to me?
Oh, and I still didn't get it and I don't know, two years ago I thought, You know she was a victim and she was just trying to keep her job and she had strong, crazy reactions, but you know she was just trying to do the best she could. she could. I remember you telling Vanity Fair that she scared you, yeah, I do. to talk about it, there were a lot of things, yes, there were a lot of things, I didn't feel very comfortable, why what kept Tyra Banks rooted in her blackness, because a lot of people got their position that way, this is something I would like . but working with a model and a black girl from Arkansas or something, I would know, but I didn't know where she was from and I met her and she said, Hi Tyra, nice to meet you, no, and I said, where are you? from Arkansas and I say, but why do you talk like that?
Oh, you know, I travel the world, I'm like, I understand what that's like, um, I don't know, I think she's my mom, um, my mom is everything to me, um. I'm going home, there's nothing like modeling pictures of me on the walls, she still tells me they pick your butt up and clean that bed and you know I feel so connected to home. I'm from Inglewood California lately. I'm really trying to spend my money in Inglewood California that's really new to me to be honest, like coming home, no I mean literally going out to eat, okay, really spending money, but for businesses, yeah , it's one of my passions right now, to just continue going home. to my community and to be told that I'm from Inglewood, I think it's very important, I say I'm from Los Angeles, from Los Angeles, I'm from Los Angeles because I went to high school in Los Angeles and stuff, but I'm from Inglewood and I think it's very important for them to remember that and know that and our Harry Potter, okay, and my manicure is here.
I got something cheap, you know, Aveeno is good, okay, I just make sure I love some CVS and some proper agencies, we read there. Come on, we really know, have you ever turned something down because you didn't like the designer or the outfit they made you wear as a model? Hell, it's no job to put dirty, ugly clothes on them and make them look amazing. and on America's Next Top Model I would tell people that no, no, it's not about you liking it, it's about making someone else like it because someone is going to like this, so no, me as a model I would never turn it down, you just put it on.
I saw the model with big lips, you know, yeah, I haven't seen it recently. She had it like the model wearing it is different, yeah, no, I didn't model cigarettes, I didn't model fur, I was actually saying. that was racist actually they were like masks like that last year cool i haven't seen that one yet in live action oh yeah i got it there's just no nudity no fur no cigarettes not even alcohol i really haven't i did a campaign of responsible consumption because one Many people like to drink responsibly. Sorry, yes, I would say not constantly, but in terms of ugly clothes, I just wear them.
Do you think shows like America's Next Top Model Emily bought her out a couple of years ago with Rita Ora t go? programs that are still healthy to help people mentally, I think tape televisionIt's actually really hard, I mean, you're cut off from phones and TV, and you know, and the reason you do that is because if they have that, there's no show. You really want people to interact and talk, or can you imagine a show where you're like the people on their phone and you like not only what just doesn't make sense, but there's a lot of pressure, so a lot of people want to do it. ? be in it so many people want to be in America's Next time I don't want to do this I'll do this or they see it on TV and they say, oh this is so easy, I could do this and then they get there and realize this is hard, this is difficult and the only thing we did on America's Next Top Model was we had and this is a little bit behind- In the scenes, we had two psychiatrists who made it clear that every model that appeared went through multitudes and multitudes of psychiatric checks before appearing on the show because there's a lot of pressure and even after all those psychological checks, some girls still couldn't handle it and it was like I was gone and there have been girls where, off camera, on camera it depends, I'll go and talk to them, I'll tell them okay, it's just a modeling competition, if you want to go, okay, sometimes I'd say, "I think you." should stay I think they're having a tough day and we would try to evaluate that with the psychiatrists off camera to see if it was a mental thing that they should leave or it's just like they're used to being
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every time. time and I don't know how to get up again, that's great about your old self to be on America's Next Top Model, you had to talk to a psychiatrist to buy a gun and the psychiatrist had to agree, so if one didn't agree I agree, the girl did not appear on the program, what did the psychiatrist say to the young woman you yelled at and said?I don't really remember, but Tiffany, oh my God, that girl is my heart, oh yeah, yeah, that emotional thing that What I felt was, being so into her, I really thought I was going to win. One of the things I used to see in the fashion industry is that the fashion industry would take girls from the trailer park, dust them off and turn them into a supermodel, but they wouldn't do that from the hood like you hadn't seen the girl with the knocker earrings that you know with the Front's and as you know, like some purple and green streaks in her hair and you know, she
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like I talk and I'm in England, you didn't see her get discovered and then they like to remake her and make her a star and that was part of my thing, one of the many things that I was really passionate about for Topmodel, so when I saw my urban girls from the neighborhood and I saw her give up, it just got me somewhere, but After that, Scituate and I edited a lot of stuff to protect his personal life and stuff, but after that I realized, let me make a backup.Little do you know, you can let the horse drink but you can't force him to drink and maybe it just wasn't for her, you know? So I had to respect that and I've seen interviews where she
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about that crazy moment. and I really respect how she talks about it to this day. I think she is very healthy about it. Honestly, Tyra was fucking crazy. I know what the hell she was doing she, but yeah, I gave up and maybe I shouldn't have done it, but she. I overreacted, but you know, you gave up too soon, so I think that was a very fair assessment, speaking of giving up too soon, you think you also gave up the TV during the day, so oh god, I mean, I was so stressed. , God, it's so hard, it's so stressful because I was producing it and I was starring in it and I was a real producer, so you know, it's not just that my name was doing that and then I was doing two top models a year and working on others Projects.There were certain days when I was doing Tyra. show where she was in bed and I felt like, oh my God, I had to get up and go, and then there were times when I would get ready with my equipment and I would be in my dressing room, do all the work and come down. In the hallway towards the stage and I heard the crowd and I felt like there was like a meat hook on my back pulling me back to my dressing room and saying: you can't do this anymore, so it was very, very stressful, but what would happen? ? keep me going every day is there some girl or some guy sitting on that couch with me and having a moment of like oh my god I'm transgender and it's okay?
I'm gay and it's okay. I'm thinking it's okay. I am this and it's okay that kept me going but I don't know if I would have been able to continue because to support that I saw the line of questioning that you gave to Beyonce look at that and say I'm crazy but I wouldn't I would do it again if I ever interviewed Beyoncé . We would do it. We rhyme with Knowles. She was running. It was like she used her name and it rhymed with her name. What was the day Jay-Z asked you to marry him? You know it was good for her as my producers.
I do, yes, but genius producers, because we're talking about this 10 years later, would you do it again? I mean. It seemed like she said no, you have a lot to say. I have a lot to say. No, she could do a podcast or something, but I have to have a podcast booth and a model lot that we're going to build. TRL where it's in a window you can see what's going on but um I just don't know how to make a modern landmark accessible to everyone and not just people who are interested in modeling so many people are interested in modeling why not It's like that. it's just about being a model it's much deeper it's about self-esteem it's about looking in the mirror and wanting to express the most beautiful thing about yourself and it's about having fun I mean, don't you want to come and try on some wigs and buy some wigs? and be fierce and work and go to our posing education class and you know, have the best lighting ever provided by the best lighting technologist in the world that I'm working with and then we have something called fantasy n-- which is like a main package where you really come to the art, we call it our big salon and you get your hair and your makeup done and you get into beautiful couture Met Ball fashions and you get a photo shoot so it's almost like the fanciest spa in Las Vegas except you don't come out relaxing empty handed after a massage you leave with the most amazing photos of yourself yeah I'm a girl dad so I usually end up there exactly you have a family for yourself I love my boo oh My God.
You know, I'm a working mom and a very motivated and focused working mom who's doing something that I felt was bigger than me. I make sure to take my son to school every day. Wow, it's like we go to school every day. the day I drop him off I drop him off in his classroom every day it's for you and he knows model and he comes, he knows model and there's something we teach about neckless monsters in model land and how to show your neck in different ways and he did the interactive, but now he thinks neckless monsters are a real thing, he's like mom, I want to go see neckless monsters and the model and I'm like baby, no, it's figurative, it's not literal, right?
He knows what he knows a little bit about what mom does, so he came to this life-size set. I did a movie called Lifesize on Lindsay Lohan many years ago and then we did a remix, a remix, we did a sequel, thank you. a sequel and that's why I would come to the set there was a day when we were filming a music video for the remix of the life-size theme the life-size theme is called um shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, away, don't be. So they call it being a star, but then the lyrics say shine, so he was on the set of that, so now every time mom does something with lights and camera, he comes in here and says: Oh mom, you're doing a work to shine. he calls it shining, you know, eventually you won't have to talk to him, what is the conversation, that eventually someone will come up to your son and say, hey, your mom is a MILF, but between eight and nine or ten You will be. dropping your kid off at school a little kid has to say yes and he's going to say I don't know what you're talking about I want to throw up I never doubted an idea you pitched to America's Next Top Model really yes I had this idea. and my agent at the time told me that models are vapid and unfriendly characters and no one wants to see that, that was the exact quote and this was my third column and this was my third television idea because I was going to go to university for television production. film and television this was my third idea that I had to produce a show and I was tired of him telling you that so I complained to my friend Kenya you know Kenya in blackish so we've been friends since we were six .
Dude, I was complaining to Kenya about it and Kenya had enough because your ideas are good. He took my idea to his agent, a totally different agency and I pitched the whole thing to him and I found a separate partner from my agent and sold the top model cut. two now today we are in one hundred and eighty countries Wow, from a person who told me that it is something insipid and no, and they are not understanding and nobody wants to see that, you see that person now you don't, but he received commissions for a couple of years since Top Model made money from Top Model for the first maybe three years Wow, what was your relationship with Kobe Bryant?
We know that yeah, yeah, yeah, Justin talked, yeah, yeah, you know, I wouldn't hang up like the last few years. I don't know, 10 years, you know, I wasn't with Kobe or anything, but of course when someone passes, that's in your life, you go through every moment. I remember I used to do Winfrey's open show, it's like a correspondent. Dr. I feel kind of like that, but for teenage girls or young women, I should say, and I used to do a special once a month and I did this whole thing about brothers and having famous brothers and how that feels about the fate of a brother who's not famous and Kobe's sisters came and my brother came and they all talked openly and honestly and Kobe was on that show and then of course I remember doing the song with him and then doing the music video with him and I remember he met his wife in In the music video, I remember her in the music video and I saw a little spark between them on the set of the music video, so in all those moments there were more moments that I remembered.
I remember when he first came to Los Angeles and there was a mutual friend. ours and I don't remember who called me and said there's this little boy and he's a sweet, sweet boy and I know you don't party, you don't do anything, can he just come to the set or your house or something? and you just sit there and talk to him because he's about to be huge, he just got drafted and he's about to be huge in this kid and Kobe Bryant comes to my house and he told me on my couch and I just taught him about Los Angels to look at. look it up and here's my number if you ever need anything so every time I saw him I always saw that 17 year old kid in him and in my eyes and I know you got a boy.
I wonder when you did the song with Kobe. around the time where you were trying to figure out what was next a little
early
on, I think, or maybe in the process, but maybe a littleearly
, so Kobe and I were at the Teen Choice Awards and he was sitting behind me me too. I was in front of him and we were talking and he was winning, he won sports star of the year and I won first supermodel of the year or something like that and then he asked me: what are you doing this summer? I'm like I don't know anything modeling and he's like, What are you doing?He says: I'm cutting an album. I say: Are you serious? I said, I'll do it and he started laughing and I said, I'll do it for free, he's free and then a couple days later I'm literally in the studio with him singing that song. I'm glad Wolfie found other career paths. If you give me a chance, I promise to love you and be with you forever, they kept telling me more honey, more baby talk because first I said, "Okay, I'll be no", they said no, I'll never forget it, but I actually think the song It's good, but I should have had another one.
He hadn't told me what we're going to play now oh please yes, let's play right now don't play - Colby whole I don't think so, it's okay, you know better than me he's your boy, let's play I think it's love, but yes No, no I remember the album. I just remember Colby's verse on the record and I was like, no, because I mean, could you guys? Shaq Shaq was a very good rapper as a basketball player, people like Damian Lillard even back then, yeah. Al and I thought those guys were good. Kobe was like that. I think it's only fair that you join us.
Thank you, so you will have more information about modeling. Oh yeah, you can go to model - landcom and you can see it, you can get your tickets and I can't wait and I've actually been calling people who have been buying tickets. I've been doing FaceTime, so I might as well FaceTime. That's great. Well, here's Kobe Bryant. The removed breaks are called Kobe k lb k lb. It's the Breakfast Club. good day
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