Trump v Biden: The Final Debate

good evening from belmont university in nashville tennessee i am kristen welker from nbc news and welcome to the

final

2020 presidential

debate

between president donald j

trump

and former vice president joe

biden

tonight's

debate

is sponsored by the commission on debates presidential elections being conducted under the health and safety protocols devised by the commission's health safety adviser, the audience here in the hall has vowed to remain silent, with no cheering, booing, or other interruptions, except now that we give welcome to the stage former vice president joe

biden

and president donald j

trump

and i want to wish you both a very good evening this debate will cover six major topics at the beginning of each section each candidate will have two uninterrupted minutes to answer my first question the committee on debate will turn on your microphone only when it is your turn to respond and the committee will turn it off exactly when you have The two minutes have expired after both microphones will remain on but on behalf of the voters I am going to ask you to please speak one at a time.

The goal is for you to listen to each other and for the American people to hear every word of what you say. that you both have to say and So if you're ready let's get started and we'll get started on the fight against the coronavirus President Trump the first question is for you the country is heading into a dangerous new phase over 40 000 Americans are in the hospital tonight with kovid included. Record numbers here in Tennessee and since you two last shared a stage 16,000 Americans have died of covid so be specific how would you lead the country during this next stage of the coronavirus crisis? two uninterrupted minutes to let you know that 2.2 million people modeled were expected to die we shut down the world's largest economy to fight this horrible disease that came from china it's a global pandemic it's all over the world you see the spikes in europe and many other congratulations right now if you notice the death rate is down 85 percent the excess mortality rate is very low and much lower than almost any other country and we are fighting and we are fighting hard there is a spike there was a spike in florida and now it's gone there was a really big spike in texas now it's gone there was a really big spike in arizona now it's gone and there's some spikes and spikes and other places soon they'll be gone we've got a vaccine coming it's ready, will be announced in a few weeks and delivered.

We have operation warp speed, which is the army that will distribute the vaccine. I can tell you from personal experience I was in the hospital I had it and I got better and I will tell you I had something they gave me as a treatment I guess they would call it some people might say it was a cure but I was in a short period of time and i got better very fast or i wouldn't be here tonight and now they say i'm immune whether it's four months or a lifetime no one has been able to say that but i'm immune more and more people are getting better we have a problem that is a worldwide problem this is a worldwide problem but I've been complimented by the heads of many countries on what we've been able to do with it if you look at what we've done in terms of goggles and masks and gowns and everything else and in particular ventilators we're now making thousands of ventilators all over the world and thousands a month distributing them all over the world it will go and as I say we are turning around we are going around the corner it will go well ex vice president biden to you how would you get the country out of this crisis you have two uninterrupted minutes 220,000 dead americans if you don't listen to anything else i say tonight listen to this anyone is responsible for not taking control in fact i don't say i don't take any responsibility initially anyone who is responsible for so many deaths shouldn't r I continue as President of the United States of America, we are in a situation where there are a thousand deaths a day, now a thousand deaths a day and there are over 70,000 new cases a day compared to what is happening in Europe like New England. medical journal said they are starting at a very low rate we are starting at a very high rate the expectation is that we will have another 200,000 Americans dead between now and the end of the year if we wear these masks the president's own advisers have told him that we could save a hundred thousand lives and we're in a circumstance where the president so far and he still doesn't have a plan, no comprehensive plan, what I would do is make sure that everyone is encouraged to wear a mask at all times I would make sure that moving in the direction of rapid testing investing in rapid testing would make sure we set national standards for how to open schools and businesses so they can be safe and give them the financial resources to be able to do that we are now in a situation where the new england medical journal, one of the most serious magazines in the world, said for the first time that this is the way this president has responded gone to this crisis.

It's been absolutely tragic so folks I'm going to take care of this I'm going to get this over with I'm going to make sure we have a plan President Trump I'd like to follow up with you and your comments you talked about taking a treatment I'm assuming you're referencing regeneron, he also said that a vaccine will arrive in a few weeks, it's that a guarantee is no, it's not a guarantee, but it will be by the end of the year, but I think it has a good chance that there will be two companies, I think that within a matter of weeks and will be distributed very quickly.

Can you tell us which companies? johnson johnson is doing very well más moderno is doing very well pfizer is doing very well and we have many others so we also have others where we are working very closely with other countries in particular, europe, let me continue with you because this it's new information you've said a vaccine is coming soon within weeks now your own officials say it could take until 2021 at the earliest for enough americans to get vaccinated and even then they say the country will wear masks and distance in 2022. Is your timeline realistic? No, I think my timeline will be more accurate. in particular that's the head of logistics and this is a very easy distribution for him he's ready to go as soon as we have the vaccine and we hope to have a hundred million vials as soon as we have the vaccine he's ready to go vice president biden his reaction and only 40 percent of Americans say they would definitely agree to receive a coronavirus vaccine if the government approved it.

What steps would you take to give Americans confidence in a vaccine if it were approved? make sure it's totally transparent, have the world's scientists see it, know it, look at it, go through all the processes and by the way, this is the same guy who told you this will be over by Easter last time, this is the same guy who told him not to worry we're going to get this over with by the summer we're about to go into a dark winter a dark winter and he doesn't have a clear plan and there's no prospect of a vaccine being available for the most of americans before the middle of next year president trump your reaction says you have no plan have a dark winter and not at all we are opening up our country we have learned and studied and understood the disease we didn't know at first when i shut down and banned china came in heavily infected and then

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ly Europe but China was in January months later he was saying I was xenophobic I did it too soon now he says oh I should have. but he didn't move faster than he was months behind me many months behind me and frankly he got the h1 n1 swine flu and it was a total disaster much less lethal but it was a total disaster if he had these kind of numbers , 700,000 people would be dead right now, but it was a much less lethal disease look at his own person who ran that for him who as you know was his chief of staff said it was catastrophic it was horrible we didn't know what we were doing now he shows up and he tells us how to do it this is also all he said about the way every move he said we should do that's what we've done we've done it all but he was way behind us vice president biden his answer my answer is that it is xenophobic but not because he closed access from China and he did it late after 40 countries had already done it on top of that what he did he made sure we had 44 people who were there in China trying to getting to wuhan to determine what exactly the source was what the president said in january he said no he said this is he is being transparent the president of china is being transparent we owe more debt of gratitude we should we should thank him and then what happened was that we started talking about using defense law to make sure we got out and put out whatever it takes to protect people and again i come back to this he had nothing he did pretty much nothing and then he walks out of the hospital and talks about where he is this oh don't worry it's all going to be over soon come on there's not another serious scientist in the world who thinks it's all over soon president trump your reaction will be over soon i say we're learning to live with it we don't have a choice no we can lock ourselves in a cellar like Joe.

Does he have the ability to lock himself up? I don't know, he's obviously made a lot of money somewhere, but he has this thing about living in a basement, people can't do that, by the way, I as president could. t do that i would love to put myself in the basement or i am in a beautiful room in the white house and i am gone for a year and a half until it goes away i cant do that and kirsten every meeting i had every meeting i had and i would meet a lot of families, including the gold star military families and families every meeting i had and i had to meet with them i had to it would be horrible to have canceled everything i said you know this is dangerous and you catch it and you know i caught it i learned a lot learned a lot great doctors great hospitals and now I have recovered 99.9 of young people we have recovered 99 of people we have recovered we have to recover we can't close our nature we have to open our school and we can't close our nation or you won't have a nation and of course the cdc has said that the young people can get sick with covet 19 and can pass it vice president biden i want to talk broadly about strategy even if you answer that 30 seconds please and I have a question not number one he says we are, uh, you know we're learning to live with it, people.

We're learning to die with it. You guys at home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning. That man or wife will go to bed tonight and reach out to try to touch themselves out of habit. Where your wife or husband went to learn to live with it come on we're dying with it because he has never said he said it's dangerous when was the last time it's really dangerous we're still dangerous you tell people it's dangerous now what should they do with the danger and you say i don't take responsibility let me speak your truth excuse me i take it i take full responsibility it's not my fault i came here it's china's fault and you know what it's not joe's fault he came here either it's also not china's fault they stopped it from leaving in the rest of china for the most part but they didn't stop it from going out to the world including europe and us vice president biden the fact is when we knew it was coming when it hit what happened What did the president say? he said don't worry it's going to go away by easter don't worry hot weather don't worry maybe inject bleach he said he was joking when he said a lot of people thought it was serious a wide variety of things the president has said even today he thinks we have control we are about to lose 200 000 more people president trump look maybe just to wrap this up i was kidding but just to wrap this up when i closed she said i shouldn't have closed and it went on for months nancy pelosi said the same thing she was dancing in the streets of san francisco chinatown but when i closed he said this is a terrible thing xenophobic i think he called me a racist even and because he was closing it to china now he says i should have closed it sooner it's just joe it doesn't work i didn't say any of those things that you certainly did i spoke about a xenophobia in a different context it was not about closing the border to china coming to the united states is fine I want to talk about your two different strategies for driving I thought you shouldn't have closed the border well, that's obvious you want to answer that quickly vice president okay, let's talk about your different strategies to deal with this gentleman vice president you suggested it would you support new ones If scientists recommend it, what do you say to Americans who fear that the cost of the lockdowns, the impact on the economy, higher rates of hunger, domestic depression, and substance abuse, will outweigh the risk of exposure to the virus? ?

What I would say is I'm going to shut down the virus, not the country it's your ineptitude that caused the violence caused the country to shut down in large part why businesses have gone bankrupt why schools are closed why so many people have lost life and why do I worry that those other worries are real, that's why I should have been instead of in the sand trap in hisgolf course, he should have been negotiating with nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats and republicans about what to do with acts that were going through billions of dollars to make sure people had the capacity, but he hasn't ruled out more closures, well no I'm not closing the name but it sounds like they need standards the standard is if you have a spawn rate in a community that is above a certain level everyone says slow down more social distancing no open bars and don't open gyms don't open until you get this under control under more control but when you do open give people the ability to be able to open and have the ability to do it safely for example schools schools need a lot of money to open need deal with ventilation systems they need to deal with smaller classes more teachers more modules and he refuses to do it support that money or at least so far let's talk about the schools elas president trump i think we need to respond if i may and then i have a follow up thanks and i appreciate that look all he does is talk about shutdowns but forget about him its democrats governors cuomo in new york you look at whats happening in california you look at pennsylvania north carolina democrats democrats they're all so closed and they're dying they're dying and he supports all these people all he talks about is closures no we're not going to close and we have to open our schools and it's like an example I have a little son, he also tested positive when I talked to the doctor the second time. ok it just disappeared guys i guess its your immune system let me get on with you president trump you have demanded that schools open in person and you insist they can do it safely but yesterday boston became the last city to move its public school system. fully online after a coronavirus spike what is your message to parents who worry that sending their children to school endangers not only their children but also their teachers and families i want to open schools the rate of transmission to tea chers it's very small but i want to open the schools we have to open our country we're not going to have a country you can't do this we can't keep this country closed this is a massive country with a massive economy people are losing their jobs they are committing suicide there is depression alcohol drugs at a level that no one has seen before there is tremendous abuse abuse we have to open our country you know I have said it many times the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself and that is what is happening and he wants to close he will close the country if one person in our massive bureaucracy says we should shut it down vice president biden it's just not true we should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time we should You need to be able to open safely, but they would need resources to open, you need to be able, for example, if you're going to open a business, have social distancing within the business that you need to have if you have a restaurant that you need to have plexiglass dividers so people don't can infect each other, you have to be in a position where you can quickly test and know if a person is actually infected, you have to be able to trace, you have to be able to provide all the necessary resources to do this and that is not inconsistent with saying we're going to make sure we open safely and by the way all of you teachers it's not like many of you are going to die so don't worry about it so don't worry come on president trump let me quickly follow you I'll say this if you go and look at what happened to New York, it's a ghost town, it's a ghost town and when you talk about plexiglass, these are restaurants that are dying. it's companies with no money putting up a plexiglass is unbelievably expensive and it's not the answer i mean you're going to sit in a cubicle wrapped in plastic it's companies that are dying joe you can't do that to people i just can't take a look to new york and d what has happened to my wonderful city for so many years i loved it it was vibrant it is dying everyone is leaving new york take a look at what new york has done in terms of lowering the curve in terms of the number of people dying and i don't look at this in terms of the way he does blue states and red states, it's all the united states and look at the states that are having such a huge spike in coronavirus, it's the red states, it's the states in the midwest of the states in the upper midwest that's where the spike is happening significantly but they're all American they're all American and what we have to do is say use these masks number one make sure we get the help that companies need money has already been spent to do that has been there since the start of summer and nothing has happened president new york has lost over 40,000 people 11,000 people in nursing president trump what did you say check out what's going on in pennsylvania where they shut it down look what's going on with your friend in michigan where her husband is the only one allowed to do anything it's been like a prison now it's declared unconstitutional look north carolina they're having spikes and they've been shut down and they're killing them financially we can't let that happen joe you can't let that happen we have to open up and we understand the disease we have to protect our elders we have to protect our elders we have to protect especially our older adults with heart problems and diabetes problems and we will protect we have the best s world tests by far this is why we have so many cases let me get on with you before we move on to our next section president trump this week you called dr anthony fauci the nation's best known infectious disease expert cites a disaster you described him and other medical experts like idiots if you're not listening to them who are you listening to i'm listening to everyone i include anthony i get along great with anthony but he said don't wear masks he said how do you know this isn't going to be a problem i think it's a democrat but okay he said this is not going to be a problem we are not going to have a problem when joe says i said anthony fauci said and others and many others and i'm not hitting him much nobody knew look nobody knew what this was nobody knew where did it come from what did we have learned a lot but anthony said don't wear masks now he wants to wear masks anthony also said if you look back exact words here they are your exact words this is no problem this will go away soon so you are allowed to make mistakes you happen to be a good person vice president biden your answer quickly and then we will move on to the next section our answer is think about what the president knew in january and he did not tell the American people that he told me it was a serious virus that was spread through the air and that I eat much worse than much worse than the flu, he recorded and told one of his recorded colleagues that, in fact, he knew what dangerous it was but he didn't want to tell us he didn't want to tell us because he didn't want us to panic he didn't want us Americans not to panic he panicked but guess what in the meantime we found out in the New York Times the other day that, in fact, his parents went to Wall Street and said that this is a really dangerous thing and a memo from that meeting, not from his management, but from some of the brokers. s, he said sell short because we have to move, it's a dangerous problem, well, I'll give him 30 seconds to answer and then the wall street I don't know someone went to wall street you're the one who takes all the money from wall street I don't take it you've raised a lot of money tremendous amounts of money and every time you raise money deals are made you know I could raise a lot more money as president and as someone who knows me Most of those people I could call the heads of Wall Street the heads of all US companies.

I would take down all the records, but I don't want to do that because he puts me in a bad light and then you mention Wall Street. shouldn't mention wall street because you're the one taking money from wall street not me i could blow your records they wouldn't believe we don't need money we have a lot of money in fact we beat hillary clinton with a small fraction of the money that you could, okay, gentlemen, don't talk to me about your average contribution 43 dollars, okay, we're going to move on to the next section, which is national security, and I want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from the previous night.

Top intelligence officials again confirmed that both Russia and Iran are working to influence this election. Both countries have obtained voter registration information from the US These officials say and Iran sent intimidating messages to Florida voters this question goes to you mr vice president what would you do to stop this threat you have two uninterrupted minutes i made it clear and i ask everyone else to compromise i made it clear that any country no matter who interferes in us elections will pay a price will pay a price and it has been overwhelmingly clear in this election i won't even get into the last one this election that russia has been involved china has been involved to some extent and now we learn that Iran is involved.

They will pay a price if I am chosen. They are interfering with American sovereignty. That is what is happening now. They are interfering with American sovereignty and to the best of my knowledge I am not doing it. I think the president said something to put about it I don't think he's stalking them too much I don't think he said a word I don't know why he hadn't said a word to put about it and I don't know what he's said recently if anything The thing for the Iranians, I guess, is that I would probably be more outspoken about the Iranians, but the point is that we are in a situation where we have countries of foreign companies trying to interfere in our election outcome, their former national security. the adviser told him what's going on with his friend well i won't guess right i'll guess with his friend rudy giuliani they are using him as a russian pawn they are feeding him information that is russian that is not true and then what happens nothing happens and then you find out that all that's going on here about russia is wanting to make sure i don't get elected as the next president united states because they know i know them and they know me i don't understand why this president isn't willing to take on putin when in fact he is paying bounties to kill us soldiers in afghanistan when he is involved in activities that try to destabilize all of nato i don't know why he doesn't but it's worth asking why he doesn't If he does, any country that interferes with us in fact you will pay a price because you are impinging on our sovereignty, president trump, the same question for you, let me, let me ask you the question, you will have two minutes to to answer for two elections in a row now there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries what would you do in your next term to end these two minutes? let me answer the first part as joe answered joe received three and a half million dollars from russia and putin got ahead because he was a good friend of the former mayor of moscow and was the wife of the mayor of moscow and you got three and a half million dollars your family he got three and a half million dollars and you know someday you'll have to explain why you got three and a half i never got money from russia i don't get money from russia now about yours last night i knew all about it and through john who was john ratliff who was fantastic dni said the only thing that is common to both of them both want you to lose because there hasn't been anyone tougher with russia between the sanctions no one tougher than me with russia between the sanctions between everything i've done with the born you know i have the NATO countries to contribute an additional 130 billion going to 420 billion dollars a year to protect against Russia I sold while he sold pillows and sheets I sold tanks to Ukraine nia there hasn't been anyone tougher than donald trump and me in russia.

I'll tell you they were so bad they took over the submarine port. You remember it very well during your tenure. During your tenure and Barack Obama they took over a large part of what should have been Ukraine. You gave it to them, but you were getting a lot. of money from russia they were paying you a lot of money and probably still do but now with what came out today it's even worse all the emails the emails the horrible emails of how much money you were piling on yourself and your family and joe you were vice presidents when any of this was happening and it never should have happened and i think you owe the american people an explanation why someone just had a press conference a while ago who i was supposed to be working with? you and your family but what you said was damning and regardless of me i think you have to clean it up and talk to the american people maybe you can do it now vice president biden you can respond and then i want to go on election security i haven't taken a penny from no foreign source ever in my life did we find out that this president paid 50times the tax in china he has a secret bank account with china he does business in china and in fact he is talking about me taking money i have not taken a single penny from any country at all number one number two this is a president i have posted all my tax returns 22 years go see them 22 years of my tax return you have not published the only lonely year of his tax return what is he hiding why is he not willing foreign countries are paying him a lot russia is paying him a lot china painting a lot and his hotels and all his business all over the country all over the world and china is building a new road to a new golf course he has abroad so what is going on here Why don't you publish your tax return or stop talking about corruption?

As we can, I want to do it and it will show how successful this company is, but much more important than that, people were saying 750. I asked them a week ago. of dollars I paid my taxes in advance tens in the last years tens of millions of dollars I paid in advance because at some point they think it's an estimate they think I might have to pay taxes so I already paid it in advance no one told me no one told you I don't apologize and it wasn't written every time they write this they keep talking about 750 which I think is a filing fee but let me tell you I paid up front millions and millions of dollars in taxes Number one Number two I don't make any money from china you do it I don't make money from ukraine you do it I don't make money from russia you made three and a half million dollars joe and your son gave you they even have a statement that we have to give ten percent to the great man you are the great man I think I don't know maybe you're not but you're the great man I think your son said we have to give 10 to the great man Joe who is all that is terrible all right Gentlemen I want to do to the some questions about all this.

I'm going to let both of you answer very quickly. You just said you talked to your accountant about getting your taxes released. He told him when he can release them? Do you have the Deadline for when you will release it. They treat me worse than the tea party. because I have a lot of people in there at the bottom of the irs they treat me horrible we made a deal everything was fixed until I decide to run for president the irs treats me very badly very unfairly but we had a deal done As soon as we finish the deal I want to post it, but I have paid millions and millions of dollars and it is worse than paying.

I paid in advance. It's called prepaying your taxes. I paid. I want to ask both of you about the questions about your possible entanglements abroad and the questions that have been raised to give both of you a chance to talk about this more broadly, please answer very quickly and then I'll move on to my question: why have you been saying this for four years? show us just show us let's stop playing games you've been saying for four years you're going to release your taxes no one knows mr president what they do know is you're not paying your taxes or you're paying taxes that are so low when you last he said what he paid for he said i only pay that li a little because i'm smart i know how to game the system come on come on folks so president trump and then i want to ask you both two questions i was put on a fake witch hunt for three years it started even before i was elected they spied on my campaign no president should have to go through what i went through let me say this mueller and 18 angry democrats and fbi agents everywhere they spent 48 million dollars they went through everything i had including my statements of taxes and they found absolutely no collusion and nothing wrong 48 million i guarantee if i spent 1 million on youtube i could find a lot of bugs po Because the kind of things you've done and the kind of money your family has taken I mean your brother made money in Iraq millions of dollars his other brother made a fortune and it's all because of you joe and they say he gets something and lives very well has houses all over the place lives very well very well gentlemen let me just ask a few questions about all this generally speaking vice president biden there have been questions about the work your son has done in china and for a ukrainian energy company when you were vice president in retrospect there was something about those relationships inappropriate or unethical nothing was unethical here it is what about ukraine?

We had this whole question about whether because he was on the board or not, I later found out about a barisma, a company that had somehow done something wrong, but every single person when they were going through their impeachment testified. under oath whoever worked for him said i did my job flawlessly carried out american policy not a single thing was out of place not a single thing number one number two the guy who got in trouble in the Ukraine it was this guy trying to bribe the Ukrainian. government to say something negative about me that they wouldn't and they didn't because it never ever happened my son hasn't made any money in terms of th What about china?

What are you talking about? I haven't had the only guy who made money in China. He is this guy. He is the only one. No one else has made money in China. Let me ask you a question. Quickly, my son was jobless for a long time, sadly he was no longer in the military, I won't get into that and he was jobless as soon as he became vice president. best reputation in the world I heard they paid him 183,000 a month listen to this 183 and they gave him an advance payment of three million dollars okay and he had no power I'm going to leave the and then I need the vice president a question for you, there is no no basis for everyone to investigate no one said anything you did was wrong in Ukraine ok president trump this is for you since you took office you have never parted with your business you have personally promoted your properties in abroad, report this. week referenced indicates that your company has a bank account in China, so how can voters know that you have no conflict of interest abroad?

I have many bank accounts and they are all listed and they are all over the place. business the bank account you're referring to, everyone knows about it, it's on the list, the bank account was in 2013. that's what it was opened in, it closed in 2015 I think, and then I decided why I was going to do I was thinking about making a deal in China like millions of other people were thinking about it and I decided I won't do it I didn't like it I decided not to do it I had an account open and I closed it okay sorry me and then unlike him where he he is vice president and does business then i decided to run for president after that that was before so i shut him down before i even ran for president let alone become president big difference he is the vice president of the united states and his son his brother and his other brother one are getting rich they're like a vacuum cleaner they're sucking i want to ask you vice president biden about china let's talk about china more broadly of course president trump has said they should pay for not being fully transparent on coronavirus, if you were president would you make china pay and please be specific what would that look like?

What he would have China do is play by international rules, not the way he has played it. not down with china up not down we are making sure to do business in china you have to give up all your intellectual property you have to have a partner in china is 51 we would not do that at all number one number two we are in a situation where china i would also have to abide by the rules internationally when i met xi and when i was still vice president he said we are setting up air identification zones in the south china sea you can don't fly through them i said let's fly through them we just flew b-52 b-1 bombers through them we're not going to pay attention they have to follow the rules and what does he do he hugs guys like thugs like in north korea and and uh and the chinese president and putin and others and stick your finger in the eye of all our friends all our allies we are only 25 25 of the world economy we need to have the rest of our friends with us telling China these are the rules, You either play with them or you'll pay the price for not paying for them financially that's the way I'll handle it and that's what we did and we keep steel tariffs and a variety of other things when we were president vice president okay let's talk about North Korea let me know I have to answer that okay real quick and then we'll move on to three and a half dollars from Chinatown after spending ten minutes in office and being in air force two number one number two there's a mail very loud email talking about his family who wants to earn 10 million dollars a year for presentations president trump in china politics although what's new are you going to do what specifically are you going to do to get china to pay you have you said you are going we are going go pay china is paying they are paying billions and billions of dollars i just gave 28 billion new sanctions i just gave 28 billion dollars to our farmers taxes is what the taxpayer money didn't come oh yeah you know the taxpayer name is china china paid 28 billion and you know what they did to pay for it joe they devalued their currency and they paid too and you know who got the money our farmers are great farmers because they were never attacked you charged them nothing i also charged them 25 on dumping steel because they were killing our steel industry we weren't going to have a steel industry okay and now we have a crook okay vice president biden your response please our response It's look, this isn't about there being a reason you brought it.

It's not about your family and my family, it's about your family and your family is suffering a lot if you earn less than if you earn. You're a middle-class family You're hurting yourself badly right now You're sitting at the kitchen table this morning deciding Well we can't buy new tires They're bald because we have to wait another month or so, right? is he going to be able to pay the mortgage or who is going to tell him that he can't go back to community college, are the decisions that are made in middle class families, like if I grew up in Scranton and claim that they are in trouble we should be talking about their families but that's the last thing you want to talk about i mean i want to talk about north korea i want to go to 10 seconds mr president ten seconds political statement let's get out of this china thing and then look at the family around the table everything is typical to the politician when i see that let's talk about a tough politician ok that's why i got elected let's drop the china thing let's talk sitting around the table come on joe you can do better let's talk about north korea now president trump you have met north korean leader kim jong-un three times you have discussed your beautiful letters with him you have promoted the fact that there has been no war or long range missile test and yet rgo north korea recently launched its largest intercontinental ballistic missile and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal. at the white house right at the beginning we had a great conversation it was supposed to last 15 minutes and it went over an hour he said the biggest problem we have with the north is north korea he indicated we are going to be at war with north korea i guess it would be a nuclear war and he has a lot of nuclear capability meanwhile i have a very good relationship with him a different kind of person but he probably thinks the same about me we have a different kind of relationship we have a very good relationship and there is no war and you know what about two months ago he broke into a certain area they said oh there will be trouble he said no because he's not going to do that and i was right look instead of being in a war where millions of people sold you know it's 25 miles away millions and millions 32 million people in seoul million people would be dead right now president trump that's 30 seconds vice president biden for you north korea conducted four nuclear tests ares under the obama administration why do you think i would be able to stop this persistent threat because it would make clear what we were making clear to china they had to be part of the deal because here is what i made clear and as pokesman administration when i went to china they said why are they moving their missile defense so close why are they moving more forces here why do they continue to do military exercises with south korea i said because north korea is a problem and we are going to continue to do it so we can control them come on to make sure that we can control them and make sure that they can't hurt us, so if you want to do something about it, then step up and help, if it's not going to continue what has happened. he did it, he legitimized north korea, he talked about his good friend who's a thug, a thug, and he talks about how we're better off and they have much more capable missiles, able to hit us territory much more easily than never before, let me continue. above, vice president biden, has said that he would not meet with kim jong-un without preconditions,Is there any condition under which you would meet with him on the condition that he would agree that he would reduce his nuclear capability to age that the Korean peninsula should be a nuclear weapon free zone ok let's move on to American families they tried very hard quick they tried to meet him he wouldn't do it he didn't like obama he didn't like him he wouldn't do well.

You have to give him a photo. Answer that and that's fine. You know that North Korea is not at war. We have a good relationship. You know that people don't understand having a good relationship with leaders from other countries. We have a lot of questions to know that we had a good relationship. relationship with hitler before he invaded europe, the rest of europe, come on, the reason he wouldn't meet with president obama is because president obama said we're going to talk about denuclearization. i'm not going to legitimize you we're going to keep putting stronger and stronger sanctions on you that's why he wouldn't meet with us well and it didn't work out and talk about it chris president trump ok they left me a mess north korea was a mess and in fact if you remember the first two or three months tonight was a very dangerous period in my first three months before we worked things out a bit well there was a very they left us a mess and i think obama would be the first to say it was the biggest problem he thought that our country is doing well let's move on to american families and the economy on one of the most important issues for them is health care as you both know there was a key vote today on a new supreme court justice amy coney barrett and care are at the center of their confirmation fight more than 20 million americans get their health insurance through the affordable care act heads to the supreme court and its administration on se or president advocates for the court to strike it down if the supreme court strikes down that law those 20 million americans could lose their health insurance almost overnight, so what would you do if those people's health insurance was taken away?

You have two uninterrupted minutes. First of all, I already did something that no one thought was possible through the legislature. I finished the individual mandate that is the worst part of obamacare, as we call it the individual mandate where you have to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to. i paid for bad health insurance i terminated it now its in court because obamacare is no good but then i made the decision run it to the best of your ability for my people great people run it to the best of your ability i could have gone the other route and made everyone they were very unhappy they executed it the premiums have gone down everything is down here is the problem no matter how well you execute it it is not good what we would like to do is finish it we have the individual mandate done i don't know if it will work if we don't win we will have to execute it and we will have obamacare but it will be better to execute it but it is not obamacare anymore because without the individual mandate they are very different the pre-existing conditions will always stay as I would like what I do is much better healthcare much better will always protect people with pre-existing problems as well that i would like to end obamacare propose beautiful new health care the democrats will do it because there will be a tremendous pressure on them and we might even have the house by then and I think we're going to win the house okay you'll see but I think we're going to win the house but we'll find better medical care that always protects the people with pre-existing problems. conditions and one very important thing we have 180 million people who have great private healthcare much more than we are talking about obamacare joe biden is going to end all those policies these are people who love their healthcare people who have had success middle income people have been successful they have 180 million plants 180 million people families under what he wants to do which will basically be socialized medicine he won't even have a choice they want to finish 180 million plans we have done an amazing job on the health care and we will make it even better, okay vice president biden yes this is for you. the supreme court has two uninterrupted minutes what i'm going to do is pass obamacare with a public option become biden care the public option is an option that says if in fact you don't have the means to be if you qualify for medicaid and you don't have the media so your state to get medicaid automatically you're enrolled providing competition for insurance companies that's what's going to happen second we're going to make sure we lower premiums and lower drug prices making sure there's competition that isn't there right now by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices with insurance companies, third, the idea that I want to eliminate private insurance, the reason I had such a fight or with 20 candidates for the nomination I support private insurance that's why not a single person with private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan nor under obamacare they didn't lose their insurance unless they If they chose that they wanted to go to something else, lastly, we're going to make sure that we're in a situation where we're actually protecting pre-existing conditions.

There is no way he can protect pre-existing conditions. none zero. it's been a long time since he never came up with a plan i guess we're going to plan for the pre-existing condition at the same time we get the infrastructure plan we've been waiting for since 17 18 19 and 20 i still got a few more minutes i know you're getting anxious the fact is he has already cost the American people because of his terrible handling of the covet virus and the economic spillover 10 million people have lost their private insurance and he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under obamacare and over 110 million people with pre-existing conditions and all the undercover people are going to have pre-existing conditions what are they going to do i have a follow up for you vice president biden relates to something president trump said you are accusing him of wanting socialized medicine what do you tells people who are concerned that their health care plan that includes a government insurance option is taking the country one step further s close to a fully government run health care system i say its ridiculous its like saying you know where the idea that there being a public option that people can choose makes it a socialist plan look at the difference between the president i believe health care is not a privilege it is true everyone should have the right to affordable health care and i am very proud of my plan which has been endorsed by all major unions as well as generally. range of other people who are actually concerned in the medical field this is something that will save people's lives and this will give some people the opportunity to have medical care for their children how many of you at home are concerned and working in bed tonight wondering what the hell you gonna do if you get sick because you lost your home insurance your health insurance your company went bankrupt we have to provide health insurance for people at an affordable price and that's what i do the president Trump, he was here for 47 years, he didn't, now he was there as vice president for eight years and it's not like it was 25 years ago, it was three and three quarters, it was just a little while ago. that four years ago she didn't do anything she didn't want socialized medicine and it's not that her vice president wants it, I mean she's more liberal than bernie sanders and she wants it even more bernie sanders wants her the democrats want it they're going to have socialized medicine just the way they want with fracking we're not going to have fracking we're going to stop fracking where he was very lucky to get it and he goes to pennsylvania and says oh we're going to have fracking and you never ask that question and by the way so far I respect the way you're driving a lot this I have to say, by the way, but someone should ask the question, in fact, he is going for a year, there will be, we have, we have, we have several, we have several topics that we are going to get to, we are going to get to the same thing with the vice president socialized his response please my response is that people deserve to have affordable healthcare period period period period and the biden care proposal will indeed provide that care affordable health care lower premiums what we're going to do is go cost some money it's going to cost over 750 billion dollars over 10 years to do it and they're going to have lower premiums that you can buy on the best plans the cheapest plans reduce his premiums dealing with unexpected billing and having his drug prices drop significantly he keeps talking about it he hasn't I haven't done anything for anyone in health care it's not just something in an hour and I want to talk about when he says public health, he is talking about socialized medicine and when he and health care when he talks about a public option he is talking about. destroying your health insurance totally destroyed and destroying your social security and this whole country will collapse you know bernie sanders tried it in his state he tried it in a state his governor was a very liberal governor they want to make it work well boy very confused he thinks he is running against somebody else he's running against joe biden i beat all these other people because i didn't agree with them joe biden that he's running against and the idea that we're in a situation where that's going to destroy medicare this is the guy who said the actuary medicare if indeed on social security if indeed continues to withhold his plan to withhold social security tax social security will be bankrupt by 2023 with no way to make it up this is the guy that has tried to eliminate medicare so which i don't mean the idea that donald trump is lecturing me on social security and medicare come on he tried to get rid of from him, he tried to damage social security years ago years ago, go back and look at the records.

He tried to hurt Social Security years ago, okay, but this is the guy, Mr. President. I have to move on to the next question. He said we won't have time to talk about it if I. I am elected if elected the stock market will crash ok very fast look the idea that the stock market is booming is your only measure of what is happening where I come from in Scranton and I assert that the People do not live only from the stock market. in the uh only in the last three three and The ears during this crisis said that the billionaires in this country made according to Wall Street 700 billion dollars plus 700 billion more dollars because that is their only measure what happens to the regular people what happens to them let's talk 401k 401ks are through the roof let's go through the roof and he doesn't come from scranton it's like he lived there for a short period of time before he knew we would go ahead and he left and the people of pennsylvania let me move on to my next question as of tonight over 12 million people are out of work and as of tonight 8 million more americans have fallen into poverty and more families are going hungry every day .

Those most affected are women and people of color. see washington fighting over a relief bill mr. president why haven't you been able to get the help you need? 30 seconds here because nancy pelosi doesn't want to approve. unfortunately that's one of the reasons I think we're going to take over the house because she nancy pelosi doesn't want to approve anything because she would love to have some wins on a date called November 3 nancy pelosi doesn't want to I want to approve it we are ready, willing and able to do something, do not forget that we have already approved three plans and it has been approved including the democrats in all fairness, this one does not want it, it is close to the elections because he thinks it helps her politically I think it hurts politically it's fine mr vice president no the republican leader in the united states senate said he can't pass it he won't be able to pass it he has no republican votes why aren't you talking to your republican friends let me get on with you vice president we made it because let me let me ask vice president biden a question, you are the leader of the democrat party, why haven't you pushed the democrats to come No deal for the American people?

Ha ve and they've pushed it look they passed this act all the way to the beginning of the summer this is like it's not new it's been out there this heroes act has been sitting there and look what's happening when I was in charge of the recovery act with 800 billion dollars I was able to get 145 billion dollars for local communities that have to balance their budgets in states that have to balance their budgets and then have to fire firefighters teachers first responders law enforcement law and order so they can could keep their cities and counties running he won't support that they haven't done anything for them and mitch mcconnell said let him go bankrupt let him go bankrupt come on what's up?

The bill that was passed in the house was a mismanaged bailout. High crime Democrat All run by cities andDemocratic states. It was a way to get a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars for these states. It was also a way to get a lot of money from our people. pockets for people who come into our country illegally we were going to take care of everything for them and what that does and I would love to do it I would love to help them but what that does the whole world will start pouring into our country we can't do it , this was a way to take care of them, this was a way to spend on things that had nothing to do with greed as per your question, but actually it was a big bailout for poorly run democrat cities and states. okay i want to do it if elected i won't i'm running as a proud democrat but i'm going to be an american president i don't see red states in blue states what i see is american united states and people from all states that are in trouble, they're going to start laying them off whether they're red cops or blue cops, firefighters, first responders because they're teachers because they have to balance their budget and the founders were smart. they allowed the federal government to spend the deficit to compensate the United States. states of america i want to talk about the minimum wage gentlemen mr vice president we are talking a lot about small businesses in trouble yes and business owners these days you think this is the right time to ask them to raise the minimum wage you of course support a minimum federal of 15 I do it because I think that one of the things that we are going to have to do is that we are going to have to rescue them we should also rescue them now those small companies you have one in six of them sinking they will not be able to return they pass the professional a package that allows us to be able to call ppp the money is supposed to go to help them do everything from organizing how they can deal with keeping their businesses open safely schools how they can make classrooms smaller how they can hire more teachers how can they install ventilation systems need help businesses and schools need help but these guys are not or they will help them because they are not giving them any of the money we are G I am going to move on to immigration but I want to say we need to ask small businesses to raise the minimum wage.

That's not helping. I think it should be a state option. Alabama is different from New York. New York is different than Vermont. Every state is different. it should be a state enforcement you said we have to help it's very important we have to help our small businesses how are you helping your small businesses when you're forcing wages what's going to happen and what's been shown to happen is when you do it these small businesses lay off a lot of their employees you said you would unfortunately consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour you recently said you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour that is still the case and you would consider it to some extent, but I really like who I am in a second administration, but not at a level that's going to put all these businesses out of business.

It should be a state option. Look at everything in different places. i know different places everyone is different in some places fifteen bucks ain't that bad in other places other states fifteen bucks ok president trump thank you quick response vice president baden two jobs one job for little poverty, people are earning six seven eight dollars an hour. we all cheer for these first responders when they come down the street because they have allowed us to do what is happening they deserve a minimum wage of 15 anything below that puts you below the poverty level and there is no evidence that when you increase the los minimum wage businesses are going out of business that is simply not true we are going to talk about immigration we are going to talk about immigration now gentlemen and we are going to talk about families within this context mr. president your administration separated children from their parents at the border of at least 4,000 children, has since reversed its zero-tolerance policy, but the United States can't locate the parents of more than 500 children, so what will this be like?

Families will ever be reunited Children are brought here by coyotes and many cartels of bad people and they bring them here and they used to use them to get into our country now we have a stronger border than we have ever had we are over 400 miles from new wall, they see the numbers and we let people in but they have to come in legally and they pass but how are they gathering? Let me tell you guys, with your family you built cages, you know you used to. Let's say I built the cages and then they had a picture in a certain newspaper, it was a picture of these hideous cages and they said look at these cages, President Trump built them and then it was determined that they were built in 2014, that was him. get the kids together yeah we're working on it we're trying really hard but a lot of these kids come out without the parents they come through cartels and coyotes and gangs vice president biden let me bring you into this conversation real quick. answer and then one other question for you, these more than 500 children came with their parents, they were separated at the border so that it was a disincentive to begin with, they are very tough, we are very strong and guess what they can't, it's not the coyotes , they did not bring them on their parents were with them they separated from their parents and that makes us a laughing stock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation let me ask you a friend they did it we changed the policy your answer they did we not them they built the cages they who built the cages let's talk about who built the cages let's talk about what we're talking about what happened the parents were ripped off their children were ripped from their arms and separated and now they can't find more than 500 sets of those parents and those kids are alone they have nowhere to go they have nowhere to go it's criminal it's criminal let me ask you i'll say this they went under we brought the reporters everything is so good cares are in facility that was so clean some of t haven't met but just ask a question who built the cages i would love for you to ask who built the cage let me ask you about your immigration policy mr vice president the administration Obama's failure to implement immigration reform that had been a key promise during the administration also presided over record deportations as well as family detentions at the border before changing course, so why should voters trust you with a review of immigration now because we made one mistake, you made two, it took too long to get it right? it took too long to get it right i will be president of the united states not vice president of the united states and the fact is i have made it very clear within 100 days i will send to the united states congress a path to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented people and all those so-called dreamers, those daca kids, are going to be immediately recertified so they can stay in this country and put the idea that they're being sent home by this boy and they want to do that's why they've gone. to a country they had never seen before.

I can imagine that you are five years old. your parents are taking you to the other side of the big river and it is illegal. and you say oh no mom leave me here i am not going with you they have been here many of them are model citizens over 20,000 are first responders taking care of people during this crisis we owe them we owe them christian had eight years to do what he said I was going to do and I changed without having a specific. We got rid of catch and release. We got rid of a lot of horrible things they put up and lived with but he was eight years old he was vice president he did nothing except build cages to keep the kids in vice president your answer catch it and release you know what he's talking about there if you actually had one family crossed paths and they were actually arrested they were given a date to appear for their hearing they were released and guess what they showed up for a hearing this is the first president in history united states america someone is seeking asylum has to do it in another country that has never happened in america before that has never happened in america before you come to the united states and make their case that i seek asylum based on the following on the following premise why do i deserve it under american law they are sitting on a squalor across the river president trump his answer just shows he doesn't understand the laws immigration catch and release is a disaster he would go in a murderer, a rapist would come in, a very bad person would come in, we would take their name, we have to release them into our country and then you say they come back less than one percent of people come back we have to send ice and border patrol to find them we would say come back in two years three years let's give him a court case need perry mason let's give you a court case when you say they come back they don't come back joe they never come back just i really hate to say this but those with the highest iq low they could come back ok president trump let's give vice president biden a chance to respond and then we're going to move on to this you don't know the law joe vice president biden your response you know the law what you are telling you is just not true check it they they don't come back check everything ok let's move on but we don't have to worry about that they finished it so we would have to worry about that that's right yeah 52 5 kids who don't know where the hell they're going to be and lost their parents, go ahead.

Okay, so let's talk about our next section, which is race in America, and I want to talk about how black and brown Americans experience race in this country. no choice but to prepare your children for the possibility that they may be attacked, even by police, for no reason other than the color of their skin, mr vice president, in the next two minutes i want you to speak directly to these families, do you understand by What do these parents fear for their children? i know my daughter is a social worker and she is all she has written a lot about this she has a graduate degree from the university of pennsylvania in social work and you know one of the reasons i ended up working on the east side of wilmington delaware , who is a 90-year-old African-American, was to learn more about what was going on, what not, I never had to tell my daughter if she was pulled over, make sure she made a traffic stop, put both hands on the wheel. and don't reach for the glove compartment because someone might shoot you but a black father no matter how rich or poor he has to teach his son when you walk down the street you don't have a hoodie when you go across the street making sure of what In fact, if you get pulled over, yes, yes, sir, no, sir, hands on top of the steering wheel because, in fact, you are the victim, whether you are a person who gains three hundred thousand children from one person three hundred thousand dollars a year or someone on food stamps the fact is that there is institutional racism in America and we have always said that we have never lived up to that we take these truths to be self-evident to all men and women they're created equal well guess what we've never measured up but we've all constantly been moving the needle further and further towards inclusion not exclusion this is the first president to come along and say it's the end of that no We're not going to do that anymore, we have to. provide economic opportunity better education better health care better access to education better access to the opportunity to borrow money to start businesses all the things we can do and I have laid out a clear plan on how to do those things just to give shoot people' it's about accumulating the ability to have wealth and to be free from violence president trump i ask you the same question and let me remind you of the question i would like you to speak directly to these families do you understand why these parents fear for their children , yes I do and again he's been in government 47 years he never did anything except in 1994 when he did so much damage to the black community and he called them and called them super predators and he said he said they are super predators and they have never lived that until 1994 your crime bill the super predators no one has done more for the black community than donald trump and if you look with the exception of abraham linc oln possible exception but abraham lincoln exception no one has done what i have done criminal justice reform obama and joe didn't do it i don't even think they tried because they didn't have a chance to do it they might have wanted to but if you had to see the arms i had a twist to get it finished it wasn't a pretty picture and everybody knows it including some very liberal people who cried in my office cried in the oval office two weeks later came out saying wow we gotta beat him criminal justice reform prison reform opportunity zones with tim scott, a great senator from south carolina, he came up with this amazing idea for opportunity zones, it's one of the most successful programs, people don't talk about it, it's getting making a big investment, the biggest beneficiary, the black and hispanic communities, and then, historically, theblack colleges and universities after three years of coming to the office i love some of those guys they were great they came to the office and they said i said what are you doing after three years i said why are you still coming because we have no funds i said you dont have to come back everyone the years we have to go back because president obama would never give them long term financing and i did a 10 year long term financing and i gave them more money than they asked for because they said i think you need more and i said the only bad part about this is that I may never see you again because I became really good friends with them and they like me and I like them but historically I saved colleges and universities okay and we're going to talk about your two records but your response to that vice president my response to that , since I never said what you accused me of saying, the fact of the matter is in 2000, although after the crime bill was in the law for a while, this is the guy who he said the problem in the crime bill not enough people in jail not enough people in jail and go to my website get the quote the date he said it not enough people talked about loitering gangs youth gangs and the people that were going to hang around our cities this is a guy that in central park five innocent black kids kept pushing to make sure they got the death penalty none of them were none of them guilty of what was the crime of crimes of those who were suggested to watch and speak he conceded he did In fact we allowed 20 people to commute the sentences of 20 people we committed over a thousand sentences of people over a thousand the very law you talk about is a law which, in fact, was started by Barack Obama, and secondly, we're in a situation here where we're the federal prison.

The system was cut by 38,000 people under our administration and one of these things that we should be doing is there should be no minimum mandates in the law, which is why I'm offering 20 billion dollars from the states to change their state laws to eliminate the minimum mandates and establish drug courts no one should go to jail because they have a drug problem they should go to rehab not jail we should fundamentally change the system and that's what i'm going to do but why didn't four do it? years ago why didn't you do that four years ago even less than that why didn't I do it when you were vice president you keep talking about all these things you're going to do and you're going to do this but you were there's only a sh A short time ago and you guys haven't they did nothing, we did it.

You know, joe, I ran because of you, I ran for Barack Obama because you did a bad job, if I thought you did a good job, I never would have run, I never would have run, I ran. thanks to you i'm looking at you now you're a politician i ran thanks to you ok vice president biden your answer to that and then i have some questions for both of you well i'll tell you what i uh i hope you look at me because what's going on here is you know who i am you know who he is you know his character you know my character you know our reputation for honor and truth telling watch this happen i am the country's character is on the ballot our character is on the ballot watch us closely let me ask some followers please answer this let's have something that is true about russia ukraine china other countries iraq If this is true then he is a corrupt politician so don't do it. give me the stuff about how you are this innocent baby joe you are being called a corrupt politician no one president trump i want to stay on the race issue we are talking about we are talking about race right now and i want to stay on the race issue , president trump, i have to answer that, look very quickly, there are 50 former national intelligence members who said that this what you are accusing me of is a russian plan, they have said that this has all the care four five former heads of the cia both sides say what he says is a bunch of crap no one believes it except him and his good friend rudy gianni you mean the laptop is now another hoax from russia russia russia that's exactly this is exactly this is where he goes, the laptop is russia i want to stay on the issue of race you have to be kidding here we go again with russia let's continue on the issue of race mr president you have described the movement of black lives Fats Matter as a Symbol of Hate I have shared a video of a man chanting white power to millions of his followers.

He has said that black professional athletes who exercise their First Amendment rights should be fired. What do you say to Americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of hate and racial strife, well you have to understand the first time I heard about black lives matter they were singing pigs in a blanket talking about pigs police pigs talking about our police pigs in a blanket fry them like bacon i said that's a horrible thing and they were marching down the street and that was my first glimpse of black lives matter i thought that was a terrible thing as far as my dealings with everyone i think i have great relations with everyone i am the least racist person in this room what do you say to americans who are concerned about that rhetoric? watch out black colleges and universities i don't know what to say they can say anything i mean they can say anything it's very it makes me sad because I'm the least racist person I can't even see the audience because it's so dark but I don't care who's in the audience I'm the least racist person in this room okay vice president biden let me ask you real quick and then I have a follow up question for you abraham lincoln this is one of the presidents most racists we've ever had in modern history pour fuel into every racist fire in every one he started his campaign by going down the escalator saying he's getting rid of those Mexican rapists he's banned muslims because they're muslims he has moved around and made everything worse across the board he says about the poor guys last time we were on stage here he said i told him to stand down and be ready v amos this guy is a dog whistle as big as a foghorn president trump i am going to give you 10 seconds to r respond and then i have a follow up he made a reference to abraham lincoln where did that come in?

I mean, you said abraham line, where did he do that? black community and i say i didnt say i am abraham lincoln i said no since abraham lincoln someone has done what i have done for the black community now you have done nothing but the crime bill that put in oh god that Tens of thousands of black men mostly in jail you know let me remind you because if you look at what's going on with voting right now let me ask you if you remember president I treated you very very bad just take a look to what is happening. there vice president biden let me give you a chance to respond within this context the crime bills you supported in the 1980s and 1990s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young black men who had small amounts of drugs in their possession, they are sons, they are br others, their parents, their uncles, whose families still today, some of them suffer the consequences, so talk to those families, why should they vote for you? about drugs and how to deal with drugs was a mistake.

I've been trying to change ever since, particularly the cocaine part, which is why I've been arguing that we shouldn't actually send anyone to jail for a pure drug offence. they should go to treatment across the board that's what we should be spending money on that's why i set up drug courts that were never funded by republican friends they shouldn't go to jail for a drug or alcohol problem they should go to treatment treatment that that's what we've been trying to do that's what I'm going to do because I think the American people have now seen that it was, in fact, a mistake to pass those drug-related laws, but they weren't in on the bi crime. why didn't he do it?

Look, it's all talk without action with these politicians. Why didn't you get it? That is what I will do when I am president. You were vice president along with Obama as your president. Your leader for eight years why didn't you do it you had eight years to do it now you say you're going to do it because you're all talk and no action we did a lot we launched 38 you did something we stayed 38,000 prisoners you did nothing 38,000 prisoners were released from federal prison we have over a thousand people given clemency we make it happen we are the ones who put in the legislation saying we could look at the pattern and practice of police departments and what they were doing how they were behaving could go on but we started the process we started the process we lost an election that's why i'm running to get that election back and change your terrible policies i just said question number one why didn't you do it in all eight years?

Not long ago. Why did not you do it? You just said, "I'll do that. I'm going to do this." you're saying you're going to get you're going to undo that why didn't you have eight years with obama you know why joe because you're all talk and no action okay vice president biden and then we're going to move on to the next section better republican congress , that's the answer, okay, you have to convince them, so okay, you have to convince them, let's move on to the next section, like I did with criminal justice reform I had to convince the democrats to become gentlemen , he did we are running out of time so we need to address climate change please you both have very different views on climate change president trump says environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector vice president biden you have said that you see tackling climate change as an opportunity to create The new jobs for each of you, how would you combat climate change and support job growth at the same time?

Starting with you, President Trump, you have two uninterrupted minutes, so we have the trillion tree show. We have so many different programs. I love the environment. but what i want is the cleanest crystal clear water the cleanest air we have the best lowest carbon numbers which is a great standard i notice obama goes with all the time no joe i haven't heard a joe use the term because I'm not sure I know what it stands for or means, but I've heard Obama uses it and we have the best carbon emissions numbers we've had in 35 years under this administration.

We are working very well with the industry, but this is what we cannot. look at china how disgusting it is look at russia look at india the air is disgusting the paris agreement took us out because we were going to have to spend trillions of dollars and they treated us very unfairly when they put us there they did us a great disservice they were going to take away our business i am not going to sacrifice tens of millions of jobs thousands and thousands of companies because of the paris agreement it was so unfair china does not come into force until 2030 russia is back to a low standard and we got going immediately would have been would have been it would have destroyed our businesses, so that's it, we've done an amazing job with the environment, we have the cleanest air, the cleanest water, and the best carbon emission standards that we have. i have seen it in many, many years vice president we have not destroyed our industries vice president we are waiting for you two minutes straight climate change and climate warming global warming is the next essential threat to humanity we have a moral obligation to confront it and we are told by all leading scientists in the world that we don't have much time we are going to pass the point of no return within the next eight to ten years four more years of this man eliminating all th The regulations we put in place to clean up the climate to clean up to limit limited emissions will put us in a position where we are going to have real problems.

This is where we have a great opportunity. I was able to get both all the environmental organizations and workers and people concerned about jobs to support my climate plan because what it does is going to create millions of new good paying jobs that we're going to invest in, say, 500 000 50 000 50 000 charging stations on our roads so we can own the electric car market of the future meanwhile China is doing that we're going to be in a position where we're going to make sure we're going to take over 4 million existing billion buildings and 2 million existing homes and retrofitting them so they don't waste as much energy saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating a significant number of jobs and by the way the general idea of ​​what's going to happen to it all this do it will create mill ions jobs and will clean up the environment our health and our jobs are at stake is what is happening and what at this time, by the way, the Wall Street companies indicated thatmy plan will actually create 18.6 million jobs seven million more than yours This is from Wall Street and I will create a trillion dollars more in economic growth than your proposal.

Not about the weather, just about the economy. plan that her plan is an economic disaster if you look at what she wants to do you know if you look at her plan her environmental plan you know who developed it aoc plus three don't know anything about climate i mean she has a good line of stuff but she doesn't knows nothing about the weather and everyone is jumping through hoops for aoc plus three look his real plan costs a hundred trillion dollars if we had the greatest year in the history of our country for a hundred years not even come close to a number like that when he says buildings.

They want to tear down buildings because I want to turn bigger windows into smaller windows as far as they're concerned. If you didn't have a window, it would be a wonderful thing. This is the craziest plan. that no one has ever seen and this wasn't done by smart people this wasn't done by anyone frankly I don't even know how it can be good politically they want to spend a hundred trillion dollars that's your real number you're trying to say it was six o'clock that's a hundred trillions of dollars they want to tear down buildings and put up new buildings with little little windows I mean and lots of other things and lots of other things let me get the vice president to answer and we're running out of time and we have a lot more questions so let's listen to the vice president i have several more questions i don't know where it's coming from i don't know where it's coming from with these numbers weighing in at 100 trillion dollars give me a break this plan was this is planned backed by all the major major environmental groups and all the labor groups they work because they know that the future is, the future is and therefore they can breathe and they know that they are good jobs to get us there and so true the fastest growing industry in america is is is is electricity excuse me uh solar and wind he thinks wind causes cancer windmills are the fastest growing jobs and pay good prevailing wages $45-50 per hour we can grow and we can be cleaner if we go the route that i am proposing president trump please respond we are energy independent for the first time we don't need all these countries that we had to fight for because we needed their energy we are energy independent i know more about the wind you are extremely expensive it kills all the birds it is very intermittent it has a lot of problems and it happens that they make the windmills both in germany and china and the fumes come out if you believe carbon emission the fumes come to making these huge windmills is mostly what we're talking about with natural gas, which is very clean, another thing, find me a solar system, i love solar power, but solar power doesn't have it yet, but it's not powerful. we still have to operate our big beautiful factories that we need to compete with the world so far its all a pipe dream but you know what we will do we are going to have the biggest economy in the world but if you want to kill the economy get rid of your oil industry you want and what about fracking ok let me know let me know let me let the VP answer i never said i object to frackie you said it on a tape i showed the tape put it on your website i will put it on put it on the website the fact of the matter is a lie would you rule out ban fracking i rule out benny fracking because the answer we need we need other industries to transition to finally get to complete zero emissions by 2025. what am i going to do about fracking over you?

I is to make sure that we can capture the emissions from fracking capture the emissions from the gas we can do that and we can do that by investing money and doing it but it's a transition to that I have one more question in this position that he was against fracking he said so I'll show you that tomorrow i am against fracking until he got the nomination he went to pennsylvania then he said but you know what pennsylvania will be against very soon because his party is totally against fracking on federal land i said no fracking using oil in february let me ask this question end in this section and then i want to move on to our final section president trump people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries and chemical plants in texas there are families who are concerned that plants near them will make them sick their administration has repealed the regulations on these types of facilities, why should these families give them or After four years in office the families we are talking about are very employed and are making a lot of money, more money than they have ever made.

If you look at the kind of numbers that we produce for Hispanics or blacks for Asians, it's nine times the percentage gain than it was. in three years that was less than eight years of the two of them to say it nine times more now someone lives i have not heard the numbers or the statistics you are saying but they are making an enormous amount of money financially we saved it and saved it again several years ago months when oil was crashing due to the pandemic we saved it we have to say what you want about the relationship we got saudi arabia mexico and russia to cut back a long time ago we saved our oil industry and now they are very vibrant together and everyone has very cheap gas the vice president waits for your answer and then we are going to have one final question for both of us my answer is that these people live on what they call fence lines which he doesn't understand understand this they live near chemical plants which in fact pollute chemical plants and plants oil companies and refineries that pollute.

I used to live near that as a kid in Clemont, Delaware, and a lot more oral refineries on Marcus Hook and the Delaware River than there are. anywhere, even in Houston, by the time my mom got in the car and when the first frost that took me to school turned to the windshield, there was an oil stain on the window, that's why so many people in my been dying and getting cancer the fact is those frontline communities this doesn't matter what you pay them it matters how you keep them safe what you do and put restrictions on pollution that pollutants come out of those fenced off communities ok ? have a final, would you close there or would you close the land?

By the way, I would transition the oil industry yeah oh transition that's a big statement because I would stop why would I do that because oil? the industry pollutes significantly, I said, here's the deal, but that's a big step, well, if you let me finish the statement because it has to be replaced by renewable energy over time, and I would stop giving it to the oil industry. I would stop giving them federal subsidies will not give federal subsidies to the gas market to solar and wind energy, yes, why do we give it to the oil industry?

In fact, we do solar and wind, that's perhaps the most important statement in terms of business, that's the most important thing. It's okay because basically what he's saying is that he's going to destroy the oil industry. Would you remember that Texas? Would you remember that? Pennsylvania Oklahoma vice president biden let me give you 10 seconds to answer and then I have to get to the final question vice president biden. it takes everything out of context, but the point is we have to move towards net zero emissions, the first place to do it by 2035 is in energy production by 2050, okay, are you going to do it? make china do it no we are done with it is going to get china and this first question goes to you president trump imagine this is your inauguration day what will you say in your address to america to the americans who didn't vote for each one will have a minute starting with you we have to make a country totally successful like it was before the plague came from china now we are rebuilding it and doing record numbers 11.4 million jobs in a short period of weather etc but i'll tell you to back off before the plague hit right before i got calls from people who weren't normally people calling me wanting to meet up we had the best black unemployment numbers in the history of our country hispanic women people asian with diplomas without diplomas with graduates number one in the class they all had the best numbers and you know what the other side wanted to get together they wanted to unify success unite us We are on the road to success but I am cutting taxes and he wants to raise everyone's taxes and he wants to put new regulations on everything he will kill him if he gets in he will have a depression like he has never seen his 401ks he will go to hell and it will be a very day , very sad for this country ok vice president biden same question to you what will you say during your inaugural address to the americans who didn't vote for you i will say i am an american president i represent you all whether you voted for me or against me, and I will make sure they are represented.

I will give you hope. Let's move on. We will choose science over fiction. we are going to choose hope over fear we are going to choose to move on because we have tremendous opportunities tremendous opportunities to make things better we can grow this economy we can deal with systemic racism and at the same time we can make sure that our economy is being led, moved and motivated by clean energy c create millions of new jobs and that's the fact that that's what we're going to do and I'm going to say like I said at the beginning what's on the ballot here is the character of this country decency honor respect treat people with dignity do I'm sure everyone has a fair chance and I'll make sure you understand that you haven't been getting it for the last four years.

OK. I want to thank you both for a very solid hour and a half. A fantastic discussion. I really appreciate it. it president trump former vice president joe biden thank you belmont university for having us tonight and most importantly thank you watching tonight election day is november 3rd don't forget to vote thank you all and have a great night