Trump v Biden: The Final Debate

Good evening from Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, I'm Kristen Welker of NBC News and I welcome you to the

final

presidential

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of 2020 between President Donald J. Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden. Tonight's

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is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates and is taking place. Under health and safety protocols designed by the commission's health security advisor, the audience here in the room has promised to remain silent, without cheers, boos or other interruptions, except now, when we welcome the former vice president to the stage joe

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and president donald j.

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and me. I want to say good night to both of you.

This discussion will cover six main topics at the beginning of each section. Each candidate will have two uninterrupted minutes to answer my first question. The debate commission will turn on its microphone only when necessary. It is your turn to respond and the commission will turn it off exactly when the two minutes have elapsed after that both microphones will remain on but on behalf of the voters I am going to ask you to speak one at a time the objective is for you to hear each other and to let the American people hear every word of what you both have to say and with that, if you're ready, let's get started and we'll get started with the fight against the coronavirus, President Trump, the first question is for you. the country is heading into a dangerous new phase, more than 40,000 Americans are in the hospital tonight with kovid, including record numbers here in Tennessee, and since you two last shared the stage, 16,000 Americans have died from of covid, so please be specific, how would you do it? lead the country through this next stage of the coronavirus crisis for two minutes straight, so, as you know, 2.2 million people were expected to die, we shut down the largest economy in the world to fight this horrible disease that came from China is global.

The pandemic is all over the world. You see spikes in Europe and many other places right now. If you notice that the mortality rate has dropped by 85 percent, the excess mortality rate is very low and much lower than almost any other country and we are fighting against it. and we are fighting hard there is a peak there was a peak in florida and it has already disappeared there was a very large peak in texas it has already passed there was a very large peak in arizona it has already disappeared and there are some peaks and waves and other places will soon disappear, we have a vaccine that is to arrive, it is ready, it will be announced in a few weeks and it will be delivered, we have operation Warp Speed, which is the army that will distribute the vaccine, I can tell you that personally.

I had the experience that I was in the hospital and I got better and I will tell you that I had something that they gave me as therapeutic, I guess they would call it, some people might say it was a cure, but I was there for a short period. Over a period of time and I got better very quickly or I wouldn't be here tonight and now they say I'm immune, whether it's four months or a lifetime, no one has been able to say that, but I'm immune, more and more people are getting better. we have a problem that is a global problem, this is a global problem, but the heads of many countries have congratulated me on what we have been able to do with it if you take a look at what we have done in terms of goggles, masks, gowns and everything else, and in particular ventilators, we are now manufacturing ventilators all over the world, thousands and thousands a month, distributing them all over the world, will disappear and, as I say, we are turning the corner that you are turning the corner, it is Wow, okay, former vice president

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, how would you get the country out of this crisis? you have two uninterrupted minutes 220,000 Americans dead if you listen to nothing else, I'm telling you tonight, listen to this, anyone is responsible for not taking control, in fact, I'm not saying I'm, I don't take any responsibility initially, anyone who is responsible for so many deaths I should not remain as president of the United States of America, we are in a situation where there are now a thousand deaths a day, now a thousand deaths a day. day and there are over 70,000 new cases a day compared to what is happening in Europe, as the New England Medical Journal said, they are starting from a very low rate, we are starting from a very high rate, the expectation is that we will have another 200,000 Americans will die between now and the end of the year, if we only wore these masks, the president's own advisors have told him that we could save a hundred thousand lives and we are in a circumstance where the president has so far and still has . no plan, no comprehensive plan, what I would do is make sure that we all encourage wearing a mask all the time.

I would make sure to move in the direction of rapid testing. Invest in rapid tests. I would make sure that we set national standards like how to open schools and open businesses so that they can be safe and give them the financial resources to be able to do that. Now we're in a situation where the New England medical journal, one of the most serious journals in the world. around the world said for the first time that the way this president has responded to this crisis has been absolutely tragic, so folks, I'm going to take care of this, I'm going to end this, I'm going to make sure we have a plan, President Trump.

I would like to follow up with you and your comments that you talked about taking treatment. I assume you are referring to Regeneron. He also said there will be a vaccine in a few weeks. It's a guarantee. No, it is not a guarantee, but it will be in the future. end of the year, but I think there's a good chance that there will be two companies, I think in a matter of weeks, and it will be distributed very quickly. Can you tell us which companies Johnson Johnson is doing very well? Moderner is doing very well. Pfizer is doing very well.

Well, and we have many others, we also have others that we are working very closely on with other countries in particular in Europe. Let me follow up with you because this is new information. You have said that a vaccine will soon arrive within a few weeks. Now their own officials. They say it could take until well into 2021 at the earliest for enough Americans to get vaccinated and even then they say the country will wear masks and distance until 2022. Is their timeline realistic? No, I think my schedule will be more precise. I don't know what they have in the military like me, but we have our generals lined up, one in particular who is the head of logistics and this is a very easy distribution for him, he is ready to go as soon as we have the vaccine and we hope to have a hundred million vials as soon as we have the vaccine, he is ready to go, vice president biden, his reaction and only 40 percent of Americans say they would definitely agree to receive a coronavirus vaccine if it were approved by the government, what measures would they take? what it takes to give Americans confidence in a vaccine, if it were approved, make sure it's totally transparent, have the world's scientists see it, know, look at it, go through all the processes and, by the way, this is the same guy who told them this.

It's going to end at Easter last time, this is the same guy who told you not to worry, this will end in the summer, we're about to enter a dark winter, a dark winter and he doesn't have a clear plan. and there is no prospect of a vaccine being available to the majority of the American people before the middle of next year, President Trump, his reaction, says he has no plan, have a dark winter and we are not at all opening our country. I have learned, studied and understood the disease that we did not understand at the beginning when I closed and prohibited China from entering very infected and then,

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ly, in Europe, but China was in January, months later, he said that I was xenophobic.

I did it too soon. now he says, "Oh, I should have, I should have moved faster, but it didn't move faster. It was months behind me, many months behind me and, frankly, the H1 N1 swine flu hit and it was a total disaster, much less lethal, but it was a total disaster. If you had these kinds of numbers, 700,000 people would be dead right now, but it was a much less lethal disease. Look at your own person, who ran that for him, who as you know, It was his chief of staff, he said it was catastrophic. It was horrible, we didn't know what we were doing now he shows up and tells us how to do this and also everything he said about how every move he said we should do, that's what we have done.

He did everything, but he was far behind us. Vice President Biden. His response. My response is that he is xenophobic, but not because he closed access from China and he did it late, after 40 countries already They had done. Besides that, what he did. We made sure we had 44 people who were there in China trying to get to Wuhan to determine exactly what the source was. What did the president say in January? He said no, he said he's being transparent. The president of China is being transparent. We owe more debt of gratitude, we should, we have to thank you and then what happened was we started talking about using the defense law to make sure we go out and get everything we need to protect people and again I come back to this. he had nothing, he practically did nothing and then he walks out of the hospital and talks about where is this oh, don't worry, it will all be over soon, come on, there is no other serious scientist in the world who thinks this is how it will be It's over soon, President Trump , his reaction was over soon.

I say we are learning to live with it. We have no choice. We can't lock ourselves in a basement like Joe. He has the ability to lock himself in. I don't. I know he's obviously made a lot of money somewhere, but he has this thing about living in a basement. People can't do that. By the way, I, as president, cannot do it. I would love to put him in the basement or in a beautiful room in the white house and I went for a year and a half until he disappeared. I can't do that and Kirsten at every meeting.

I had every meeting I had and met many families, including gold star and military families. families in every meeting that I had and I had to meet with them I had to do it it would be horrible to have canceled everything I said you know this is dangerous and you catch it and you know I caught it I learned a lot I learned a lot great doctors great hospitals and now I'm recovered 99, 9 of the young people recover 99 of the people recover we have to recover we cannot close our nature we have to open our school and we cannot close our nation or you are not going to have a nation and of course the cdc has said that young people they can get sick with covet 19 and they can pass it vice president biden, I want to talk broadly about strategy, although answer that for 30 seconds, please, and I have a question, not number one, it says that we Do you know that we are learning to live with it?

People are learning to die with it. You friends at home will have an empty chair at the kitchen table this morning, that man or wife will go to bed tonight and reach out to try to touch each other. out of habit, where was his wife or her husband was he learning to live with it, come on, we are dying with it because he never said that he said it is dangerous, when was the last time? Is it really dangerous? Are we still dangerous? You tell people it's Dangerous now, what should they do about the danger? And you say I don't take any responsibility.

Let me speak your truth. Sorry, I accept it. I take full responsibility. It's not my fault I came here. It's China's fault. And you know, it's not Joe's fault. What came here or is it China's fault? They prevented it from entering the rest of China for the most part but they did not prevent it from going out to the world including Europe and ourselves Vice President Biden the fact is that when we knew it was arriving when it arrived what happened what did he say the president said don't worry he'll be gone for Easter don't worry the warm weather don't worry maybe inject bleach he said he was joking when he said that many people thought he was serious a whole series of things the president has said even today he believes that we are in control we are about to lose 200,000 more people president

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look maybe just to end this i was joking about it but just to end this when i closed he said i shouldn't have closed and that went on for months nancy pelosi said the same thing as he was dancing in the streets of chinatown in san francisco but when i closed he said this is a terrible thing, xenophobic i think he even called me a racist and since i was closing it in china now he says i should have closed it sooner, just joe, it doesn't work.

I didn't say any of those things that you certainly said. I talked about xenophobia in a different context, it wasn't about closing the border to Chinese coming to the United States, okay, I want to talk about the different strategies of both of us to handle it, I thought I shouldn't have closed the border, well , that's obvious, what do you want? to answer that quickly vice president, okay, let's talk about your different strategies for dealing with this mister vice president, you suggested that you would support new shutdowns if scientists recommended it, what do you say to Americans who fear that the cost of shutdowns will have an impact on the economy? economics rateshigher rates of hunger domestic depression and substance abuse outweigh the risk of exposure to the virus what I would say is that I am going to shut down the virus, not the country, it is your ineptitude that caused the violence caused the country to have to shut down in Much of why businesses have gone under why schools are closed why so many people have lost their livelihoods and why they are worried those other worries are real which is why he should have been instead in the sand trap of his field. golf should have been we have been negotiating with nancy pelosi and the rest of the democrats and republicans about what to do with the laws they were passing for billions of dollars to make sure people had the ability, but more closures have not been ruled out, well , no, I'm not going to close the name, but it seems like they need standards, the standard. is that if you have a reproduction rate in a community that is above a certain level, everyone is saying slow down, more social distancing, don't open bars or gyms, don't open until you have this under control, under more control , but when you open, give the people have the ability to be able to open and have the ability to do it safely, for example, schools, schools, they need a lot of money to open, they need to deal with ventilation systems, they need to deal with more classes small ones, more teachers, more groups and he refuses to do it. support that money or at least so far let's talk about schools President Trump I think we need to respond please and then I have a follow up thank you and I appreciate you looking all you do is talk about closures but forget about He, his Democratic governors, Cuomo, in New York, look at what's happening in California, look at the Democrats in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, the Democrats, they're all so closed off and they're dying, they're dying and he supports all of them. these people in everything they talk about. about the closures no we are not going to close and we have to open our schools and for example I have a young son he also tested positive when I spoke to the doctor the second time he was fine the young people just left I guess it's your immune system, let me stick with you, President Trump, he has demanded that schools open in person and insists they can do so safely, but yesterday Boston became the latest city to move its public school system completely online After a coronavirus spike, what is your message to parents who fear that sending their children to school endangers not only their children but also their teachers and families?

I want to open the schools, the transmission rate to teachers is very small, but I want to open the schools. schools we have to open our country we are not going to have a country you cannot do this we cannot keep this country closed this is a huge country with a huge economy people are losing their jobs they are committing suicide there is depression alcohol drugs at a level that no one has seen before there is abuse tremendous abuse we have to open our country you know I have said it often the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself and that is what is happening and he wants to close it.

We will shut down the country if one person in our huge bureaucracy says we should shut it down. Vice President Biden is simply not true. We should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. We should be able to open safely, but we would. they need resources to open, you need power, for example, if you're going to open a business, you have to have social distancing within the business, if you have a restaurant, you have to have plexiglass dividers so that people can't infect each other. You need to be in a position where you can test quickly and know if a person is actually infected.

You must be able to track it. You need to be able to provide all the resources necessary to do that and not be inconsistent with saying we're going to make sure we open safely and by the way, all of you teachers, it's not like many of you are going to die, so don't worry. So don't worry, come on, President Trump. Let me follow you quickly. I'll tell you this if you go and look at what happened in New York. It's a ghost town. It's a ghost town. When you talk about plexiglass, these are restaurants that are dying.

These are businesses without money. Plexiglass is incredibly expensive and is not the answer. I mean, you're going to sit there in a plastic-wrapped cubicle. They are businesses that are dying. You can't do that to people you just can't look at. New York and what happened to my wonderful city for so many years. I loved it, it was vibrant, it's dying. Everyone is leaving New York. Take a look at what New York has done in terms of flattening the curve in terms of the number of people dying. and I don't look at this in terms of the way you do, the blue states and the red states, they're all the united states and look at the states that are having such a surge in coronavirus, they're the red states. the states in the midwest of the states in the upper midwest that's where a significant surge is occurring, but they're all Americans, they're all Americans and what we have to do is say wear these number one masks and make sure to receive the necessary help. companies need money already spent to do that it's been there since early summer and nothing has happened president new york has lost over 40,000 people 11,000 people in nursing president trump what did you say take a look at what Is it happening in Pennsylvania, where they have closed it?

Take a look at what's going on with your friend in Michigan, where her husband is the only one allowed to do anything. It has been like a prison. Now they have just declared it unconstitutional. Check out North Carolina. They are having spikes and they have shut them down and it is killing them financially. We can't let that happen, Joe, you can't let that happen. We have to open up and understand the disease we have to protect our elders. to protect our elderly we have to protect especially our elderly with heart problems and diabetes problems and we will protect them, we have the best tests in the world by far, that is why we have so many cases, let me follow up with you before we move on to Our next section, President Trump, this week called Dr.

Anthony Fauci, the country's best-known infectious disease expert. He cites a disaster. You described him and other medical experts as idiots. If you don't listen to them. Who are you listening to? I'm listening to everyone. Of them including Anthony I get along very well with Anthony but he said don't wear masks he said how do you know this isn't going to be a problem I think he's a Democrat but that's fine he said this isn't going to be a problem we're not going to have any problems when joe says that I said anthony fauci said and others and many others and I'm not criticizing him too much no one knew look no one knew what this was no one knew where it came from So it was, we've learned a lot, but Anthony said don't wear masks now who wants to wear masks.

Anthony also said that if you look back, exact words, here are his exact words, no problem, this will go away soon, so he is allowed to make mistakes, it turns out that he is a good person, vice president, wait for his response quickly and then We'll move on to the next section, our answer is think about what the president knew in January and didn't tell the American people. They told him it was a serious virus that spread through the air and was much worse than the flu. He went on record and told one of his colleagues that he, in fact, knew how dangerous it was, but he didn't know it. he wanted to tell us he didn't want to tell us because he didn't want us to panic he didn't want us Americans to not panic he panicked but guess what in the meantime we found out in the New York Times the other day that, in fact, his parents went to Wall Street and said this is a really dangerous thing and a memo from that meeting, not from his administration but from some of the brokers, said short selling because we have to get going, it's a dangerous problem.

Well, this is it, I'm going to give you 30 seconds to respond and then Wall Street, I don't know, someone went to Wall Street, you're the one who takes all the money from Wall Street, I don't take it, you have raised a lot of money, huge amounts of money and every time you raise money deals are made, you know I could raise a lot more money as president and as someone who knows most of those people, I could call the bosses on Wall Street, everyone's bosses. company in America, I would destroy all the records, but I don't want to do that because it puts me in a bad position and then you mention Wall Street, you shouldn't mention Wall Street because you are the one who takes money from Wall Street, not me, I could blow your records, like you wouldn't believe, we don't need money, we have a lot of money, in fact, we beat Hillary Clinton with a small fraction of the money she could.

Gentlemen, don't tell me about her average contribution: $43. Okay, we'll move on to the next section, which is national security. I want to start with the security of our elections and some breaking news from last night. Senior intelligence officials again confirmed that both Russia and Iran are working to influence these elections. Both countries obtained voter registration information from the U.S., these officials say, and Iran sent intimidating messages to Florida voters. This question is for you, Mr. Vice President, what would you do to put an end to it? end this threat you have two uninterrupted minutes I made it clear and I ask everyone else to commit I made it clear that any country, no matter who it is, that interferes in the American elections will pay a price, will pay a price and it has been overwhelmingly clear in this election, I won't even get into the last one of this election, that Russia has been involved, China has been involved to some extent and now we find out that Iran is involved, they will pay a price if I am elected.

They're interfering with American sovereignty, that's what's happening right now, they're interfering with American sovereignty, and as far as I know, I don't think the president has said anything to Putin about it. I don't think he's harassing them much. I don't think he said a word. I don't know why he hadn't said a word to Putin about it and I don't know what he has said recently, if anything, to the Iranians. I guess I'd probably be more frank about the Iranians, but the point is, folks, we're in a situation where we have foreign companies trying to interfere with the outcome of our elections.

His former national security advisor told him that what's going on with his friend, well, I won. I can't guess, his friend Rudy Giuliani will do it. He is being used as a Russian pawn. They are giving you Russian information that is not true and then what doesn't happen happens, nothing happens and then you discover that everything that is happening here about Russia wants. Make sure they don't elect me as the next president of the United States because they know I know them and they know me. I don't understand why this president is not willing to stand up to Putin when he is actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan when he is involved in activities that are trying to destabilize all of NATO, I don't know why he doesn't do it, but okay It is worth asking why that is not done.

Any country that interferes with us will pay a price because they are affecting our sovereignty, President Trump asked you the same question, let me ask you the question. He will have two minutes to respond during two elections in a row. Now there has been substantial interference from foreign adversaries. What would you do in your next term? To end this two minutes let me respond to the first part, as Joe responded that Joe received three and a half million dollars from Russia and it came to him through Putin because he was very friendly with the former mayor of Moscow and he was the mayor of Moscow's wife and you received three and a half million dollars your family received three and a half million dollars and you know that one day you will have to explain why you received three and a half million.

I never received money from Russia. I don't understand. money from Russia now about yours last night I found out all about it and through John, who was John Ratliff, who was fantastic, DNI, he said the only thing they both have in common: they both want you to lose because there has been no one tougher on Russia . between the sanctions no one is tougher than me on Russia between the sanctions between everything I have done with NATO you know that I have the NATO countries to contribute an extra 130 billion up to 420 billion dollars a year to protect against I sold in Russia while he was selling pillows and sheets.

I sold tankbusters to Ukraine. There has been no one tougher than Donald Trump on Russia and I will tell you they were so bad that they took over the submarine port. You remember very well during your term and Barack Obama they took over a big part of what should have been Ukraine, you gave it to them, but you were getting a lot of money from Russia, they were paying you a lot of money and they probably still are, but now with What came out today it's even worse, all the emails, the emails, the horrible emails from theamount of money that you and your family were making and Joe, you were vice president when some of this was happening and it should never have happened and I think you owe the American people an explanation why someone just held a press conference a year ago. a while and he was supposed to work with you and your family, but what he said was damning and regardless of me, I think you need to clean it up.

Get up and talk to the American people maybe you can do it right now Vice President Biden, you can respond and then I want to follow up on election security. I have never received a penny in my life from any foreign source, we learned that this the president paid 50 times the tax in china he has a secret bank account in china he does business in china and in fact he is talking about me taking money I have not taken even a single cent from no country number one number two this is a president i have i released all my tax returns 22 years go look at them 22 years of my tax return you haven't released the lonely bachelor year of your tax return what are you hiding for What are you not willing? foreign countries are paying you a lot Russia is paying you a lot China is painting a lot and your hotels and all your businesses all over the country all over the world and China is building a new road to a new golf course that you have abroad, So what is going on here?

Why don't you publish your tax return or stop talking about corruption? However we can, I want to do it and it will show how successful this company is, but much more important than that, people were saying 750. I asked them a week ago. I told them: what did I pay? They said, sir, you paid tens of millions in advance. of dollars I paid in advance my taxes tens over the last few years tens of millions of dollars I paid in advance because at some point they think it's an estimate they think I might have to pay taxes so I already paid them in advance no one told me that no one told you that sorry and it wasn't written every time they write this they keep talking about 750, which I think is a filing fee, but let me tell you that I paid in advance millions and millions of dollars in taxes number one, number two, with the that I don't make money.

China, I don't make money from Ukraine, no, I don't make money from Russia, you made three and a half million dollars, Joe, and your son gave you, they even have a statement that we have to give ten percent to the big guys. Man, you're the big man, I guess I don't know, maybe you're not, but you're the big man, I think your son said we gotta give the big man 10, Joe, what's that about? It's terrible, okay, gentlemen. I want to ask you both a few questions about all of this. I'm going to let you both answer very quickly.

You just said you talked to your accountant about the possibility of releasing your taxes. Did he tell you when he can release them? Do you have a deadline? By the time you go to publish it, they treat me worse than the tea party because I have a lot of people there at the bottom of the IRS, they treat me horribly, we made a deal, everything was arranged until I decide to show up. For a president, the IRS treats me very badly, very unfairly, but we reached a settlement as soon as we completed it. I want to release him, but I've paid millions and millions of dollars and it's worse than paying. paid in advance is called prepaying your taxes paid I want to ask you both about questions related to your possible foreign entanglements and questions that have been raised to give you both the opportunity to talk about this more broadly, please respond very quickly and Then I'll get to my question: why have you been saying this for four years?

Show us, just show us, stop playing. He has been saying for four years that he will release his taxes. Nobody knows, Mr. President, what they do know is you. You're not paying your taxes or you're paying taxes that are too low when the last time he said what he paid he said, "I only pay that little because I'm smart. I know how to game the system. Come on, come on folks, then, President Trump." and then I want to move on to two questions for you two. I was subjected to a fake witch hunt for three years.

It started even before I was elected. They spied on my campaign. No president should have to go through what I went through. Let me. just say this Mueller and 18 angry Democrats and FBI agents everywhere spent 48 million dollars, looked through everything I had, including my tax returns, and found absolutely no collusion or anything wrong. 48 million, I guarantee it if I spent 1 million on YouTube. I could find a lot of things wrong because the kind of things you've done and the kind of money your family has taken, I mean, your brother made money in Iraq, millions of dollars, your other brother made a fortune and it's all because of you. , Joe and them.

Let's say you get some of that and you live very well, you have houses all over the place, you live very well, okay, gentlemen, let me ask some questions about all of this, generally speaking, Vice President Biden, there have been questions about the job that your son. made in China and for a Ukrainian energy company when you were vice president, in retrospect, anything about those relationships was inappropriate or unethical, nothing was unethical, that's the deal with Ukraine, we had this whole question about whether because he was on the board of directors Later I found out about a barisma company that had somehow done something wrong, but every single person who was going through his impeachment testified under oath and who worked for him said I did my job impeccably, I fulfilled our politics, not a single thing. was out of line, not a single thing, number one, number two, the guy who got in trouble in Ukraine was this guy who was trying to bribe the Ukrainian government to say something negative about me, which they wouldn't do and didn't do because never ever happened.

My son hasn't made any money in terms of this uh, what are you talking about China thing? I haven't had the only guy who made money in China. This guy is the only one. No one else has made money in China. Let me ask my question. to you could only one thing very quickly my son did not have a job for a long time unfortunately he was no longer in the military service I will not go into that and he did not have a job as soon as he became vice president barisma does not have the best appearance does not have the best reputation in the world I heard they paid him 183,000 a month listen to this 183 and they gave him a down payment of three million dollars, okay and he had no energy.

I'm going to let him and then I need to ask the vice president a question. There is no basis for everyone to investigate. No one said anything he did was wrong in Ukraine. Okay, President Trump, this is for you, since you took office, you have never divested yourself of your business. I have personally promoted their properties abroad. A report referenced this week indicates that his company has a bank account in China. So how can voters know that you have no conflict of interest abroad? I have many bank accounts and they are all on the list and they are everywhere, I mean, I was a businessman doing business, the bank account you are referring to, which is everyone knows, is on the list , the bank account was in 2013. that's what it was in when it was opened.

I closed in 2015, I think, and then I decided why I was going to do it. I was thinking about making a deal in China like millions of other people. I was thinking about it and decided I wasn't going to do it. I did not like. I decided not to, I had an account open and I closed it, okay, excuse me, and then unlike him, who is vice president and does business, I decided to run for president after that, that was before, so I closed it before I ran. . president let alone became president big difference he is the vice president of the United States and his son his brother and his other brother are getting rich they are like a vacuum cleaner they are sucking I want to ask vice president biden about China, let's talk about China more broadly.

Of course, President Trump has said they should pay for not being completely transparent about the coronavirus. If you were president, would you make China pay? And please be specific, what would that look like? What China does is follow international rules, not like he has done, it has caused China's deficit to go up, not down, with China up, not down, we are making sure that to do business in China you have to give your all your intellectual property that you have to get and have a partner in china is 51 we wouldn't do that at all number one number two we are in a situation where china would have to follow the rules internationally also when I met with xi that and when we still was vice president said we were establishing air identification zones in the south china sea, you can't fly through them, i said we're going to fly through them, we just flew b-52 b-1 bombers through We are not going to pay attention to this, they have to follow the rules and what does he do?

He hugs guys like the bullies like in North Korea and and uh and the Chinese president and Putin and others and pokes the finger in the eye. of all our friends, all our allies, we are only 25 25 of the world economy, we need to have the rest of our friends with us telling China these are the rules, you follow them or you will pay the price for not paying them financially, that's right how I'm going to handle it and that's what we did and keep the steel tariffs and a number of other things when we were president vice president okay let's talk about North Korea let me know what I have to respond to that okay real quick and then let's go. to move to three and a half dollars from Chinatown after spending ten minutes in office and being in the air force two number one number two there is a very strong email that talks about how his family wants to earn 10 million dollars a year for the presentations by President Trump on China policy.

What's new? What are you going to do specifically to make China pay? You said you're going to pay. China is paying. they are paying billions and billions of dollars I just gave 28 billion new sanctions I just gave 28 billion dollars to our farmers taxes is what the taxpayer money didn't come oh yeah, you know, the taxpayer It's called China China paid 28 billion and you I know what they did to pay for it Joe, they devalued their currency and they paid too, and you know who got the money. Our farmers are great farmers because they were attacked. You never charged them anything.

I also charged them 25 for scrap steel because they were killing. our steel industry we were not going to have a steel industry, okay, and now we have a thief, okay, vice president, biden, your answer, please, our answer is look, this is not about there's a reason why is bringing up all this nonsense, there's a reason for it. He doesn't want to talk about these, the core of the problems, it's not about his family and mine, it's about your family and your family is suffering a lot if you earn less than if you are a middle class family. you're hurting yourself badly right now you're sitting at the kitchen table this morning deciding we can't get new tires, they're bald because we have to wait a month or so or are we going to be able to pay the mortgage or who am I going to tell him he can't Go back to community college, these are the decisions that are made in middle class families, like I grew up in Scranton, and claim that they are in trouble, we should talk about their families, but that's the last thing you want to talk about I mean I want talk about north korea I want to go to 10 seconds Mr.

President ten second political statement let's leave this China thing and then look at the family around the table everything just a typical politician when I see that let's talk about a difficult politician okay that's why They elected me, let's leave the topic of China, let's talk sitting around the table, come on, Joe, you can do better, let's talk about North Korea. Now, President Trump, you have met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un three times, discussed your beautiful letters with him, touted the fact that there has been no war or long-range missile test, and, However, North Korea recently launched its largest ICBM to date and continues to develop its nuclear arsenal.

Do you see it as a betrayal of the relationship you forged? Just 30 seconds here because we have to move on to the next one, so when I met with Barack Obama. We sat in the White House from the beginning we had a great conversation that was supposed to last 15 minutes and it was over an hour. He said the biggest problem we have with the North is North Korea. He indicated that we will be in a war with North Korea. I guess it would be a nuclear war, and in the meantime, he has a lot of nuclear capabilities.

I have a very good relationship with him. He's a different guy, but he probably thinks the same about me. We have a different type of relationship. I have a very good relationship and there is no war and you know, about two months ago he broke into a certain area and they said, "Oh, there's going to be problems," he said no, there won't be because he's not going to do that and I had right, look. of being in a war where millions of people were sold, you know, it's 25miles away, millions and millions, 32 million people in Seoul, millions of people would be dead right now, President Trump, that's 30 seconds, Vice President Biden, North Korea conducted four nuclear tests under the Obama administration, why What do you think could stop this persistent threat?

Because it would make it clear that we were making it clear to China that they had to be part of the agreement, because here's the thing. I made it clear and as a spokesperson. administration when I went to China they told me why they are bringing their missile defense so close why they are moving more forces here why they continue to do military maneuvers with South Korea I said because North Korea is a problem and we are going to continue doing it so we can control them, We are going to make sure that we can control them and that they can't hurt us, so if you want to do something about it, step up and help, if not, you will continue with what you have done.

In fact, he has legitimized North Korea, he has talked about his good friend, who is a bully, a bully, and he talks about how we are better off and that they have much more capable missiles, capable of reaching US territory much more easily than ever before. , let me follow you. with you, vice president biden, he has said that he would not meet with kim jong-un without preconditions. Is there any condition under which you would meet with him on the condition that he agree that you would reduce his nuclear capability to get that the Korean peninsula should be a nuclear weapons free zone, okay, let's move on to the American families, they tried very hard. quickly, they tried to meet with him, he wouldn't do it, he didn't like Obama, he didn't like him, he wouldn't do it, okay? you have to give it a picture, respond to that and okay, you know what North Korea, we're not in a war, we have a good relationship, you know, people don't understand having a good relationship with leaders of other countries, we have many. of questions to find out that we had a good relationship with Hitler before he invaded Europe, the rest of Europe, come on, the reason he didn't meet with President Obama is because President Obama said we're going to talk about denuclearization .

We are not going to legitimize you, we are going to continue putting stronger and stronger sanctions on you, that's why he didn't meet with us and it didn't work and we talked about it, Chris, President Trump, okay, they left me in trouble in the North. Korea was a disaster and, in fact, if you remember the first two or three months, tonight was a very dangerous period in my first three months before we sorted things out a little bit well, there was a time when we were left with a mess and Obama. I think he would be the first to say it was the biggest problem.

He thought our country is fine, let's move on to American families and the economy, and one of the most important issues for them is health care, as you both know, today there was a key vote on a new supreme court justice amy coney barrett and health care is at the center of your confirmation fight more than 20 million Americans get their health insurance through the Affordable Care Act heads to the supreme court and your administration, Mr. President, is advocating for The court will overturn it, if the Supreme Court strikes down that law, those 20 million Americans could lose their health insurance almost overnight, so what would you do if those people had their health insurance taken away?

You have two uninterrupted minutes, first of all, I've already done it. something that no one thought was possible through the legislature, I finished the individual mandate which is the worst part of obamacare, as we call it, the individual mandate where you have to pay a fortune for the privilege of not having to pay for insurance bad doctor Now it's in court because Obamacare is no good, but then I made a decision, run it as best you can for my people, great people, run it as best you can. I could have gone the other route and made everyone very unhappy. premiums have gone down everything has gone down here's the problem it doesn't matter how well you run it it's not good what we would like to do is rescind it we have the individual mandate done I don't know if it will work if we don't win We will have to run it and we will have Obamacare but it will be better administered, but it is no longer Obamacare because without the individual mandate it is very different.

Pre-existing conditions will always remain. What I would like to do is much better. Much better health care will always protect people with pre-existing conditions, so I would like to end obamacare and propose beautiful new health care. The Democrats will do it because there will be tremendous pressure on them and we may even take the house. by that time and I think we are going to win the house, okay, you'll see, but I think we are going to win the house, but we will achieve better health care, always protecting people with pre-existing conditions and one very important thing that we have 180 million people who have excellent private healthcare, much more than we're talking about with Obamacare.

Joe Biden is going to end all those policies. These are people who love their healthcare. People who have been successful middle-income people. They have been successful they have 180 million plants 180 million people families under what he wants to do which will basically be socialized medicine he won't even have a choice they want to finish 180 million plans we have done an incredible job in healthcare and I will do even better it is Well, Vice President Biden, yes, this is for you. His health care plan requires it to be based on Obamacare. So my question is: what is your plan if the law is declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

It has two uninterrupted minutes. What I'm going to do is pass Obamacare with a public option and become Biden Care, the public option is an option that says if in fact you don't have the means to be, if you qualify for Medicaid and you don't have the means, then your state to get Medicaid, you are automatically enrolled, which creates competition for insurance companies, that's what will happen; secondly, we will make sure that we reduce drug premiums and prices, making sure that there is competition that does not exist now, by allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices with insurance companies, thirdly, the idea that I want to eliminate private insurance, the reason I had such a fight with 20 candidates for the nomination was that I support private insurance, that's why not a single person with private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan nor did they under obamacare lose their insurance unless they chose they wanted to go to something else, lastly, we're going to make sure that we're in a situation where we actually protect the pre-existing, there's no way he can protect pre-existing conditions none zero you can't do it in the ether has been talking about this for a long time there has never been a plan figured out I guess we are going to get the pre-existing condition We plan at the same time we receive the infrastructure plan that we have been waiting for since the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th.

The fact that we still I have a few more minutes. I know you're getting anxious. The fact is, it has already cost the American people. Due to his terrible handling of the coveted virus and the economic spill, 10 million people have lost their private insurance and he wants to take away 22 million more people who have it under Obamacare and more than 110 million people with pre-existing conditions and all people covert they are going to have pre-existing conditions what are they going to do do I have a follow up for you vice president biden relates to something that president trump said is accusing him of wanting socialized medicine what do you say to people who have concerns? that their health care plan that includes a government insurance option brings the country one step closer to a health care system run entirely by the government, I say that's ridiculous, it's like saying you know where, the idea that the fact that there is a public option that people can choose that makes it a socialist plan look at the difference between the president I think that health care is not a privilege, it is a right, everyone should have the right to have affordable health care and I am very proud of my plan, has been endorsed by all the major unions, as well as a wide range of other people who are actually concerned in the medical field, this is something that is going to save lives and is going to give some people the opportunity to have health care for your children, how many of you at home are worried and tossing and turning in bed tonight wondering what in God's name are you going to do if they get sick because you've lost your home insurance, your health insurance? has gone down, has your company gone down? health insurance for people at an affordable price and that's what I do president trump was here for 47 years he didn't do it now he was there as vice president for eight years and it's not like 25 years ago it was three and three quarters it was just recently ago less than four years he didn't do anything he didn't do it he wants socialized medicine and it's not that his vice president wants it I mean she is more liberal than Bernie sanders and wants it even more bernie sanders wants it the democrats want it you are going to have socialized medicine just like you want with fracking we're not going to have fracking we're going to stop fracking we're going to stop fracking then he goes to pennsylvania after he got a nomination where he was very lucky to get it and he goes to pennsylvania and says oh we're going to have fracking and we never you ask that question and by the way, so far I respect a lot By the way, I have to tell you the way you are handling this, but someone should ask the question.

Actually, he's going for a year. There will be, we will have, we have, we have several, we have several topics. Let's get to the same thing with the socialized vice president. His answer, please, my answer is that people deserve to have affordable health care, period, period, period, and Biden's care proposal will, in fact, provide that affordable health care. lower premiums what we're going to do is going to cost some money, it's going to cost over $750 billion over 10 years to do it and they're going to have lower premiums that you can buy into the better plans, the cheaper plans reduce your Premiums deal with unexpected billings and cause drug prices to drop significantly.

He keeps talking about it. He has done nothing for anyone in healthcare, nothing in just an hour and I want to talk about when he says he is talking about public health. about socialized medicine and when he and health care when he talks about a public option, he's talking about destroying his totally destroyed Medicare and destroying his social security and this whole country will collapse, you know, Bernie Sanders tried it in his state, he tried in one state, their governor was a very liberal governor, they want it to work, okay, very confused guy, he thinks he's running against someone else, he's running against joe biden, I beat all those other people because I didn't agree I agree with them, Joe Biden is running against and the idea. that we are in a situation that is going to destroy Medicare this is the guy that the Medicare actuary said if in fact he is on social security if in fact he continues to withhold his plan to withhold the social security tax social security will be bankrupt in by 2023 with no way to make up for it, this is the guy who tried to cut Medicare, so I'm not talking about the idea that Donald Trump is lecturing me about social security and Medicare, come on, he tried to get rid of it, he tried to damage the social security years ago years ago go back and look at the records he tried to damage social security years ago okay but this is the guy Mr.

President I have to move on to the next question he said we're not going to have time to talk about it if I am elected if he is elected the stock market will crash okay very quickly look at the idea that the stock market is booming is your only measure of what is happening where I come from in Scranton and I claim that people do not live outside the stock market alone in the last three three years during this crisis said that the billionaires in this country made according to Wall Street 700 billion dollars plus 700 billion dollars more because that is their only measure of what happens to people common and ordinary. people out there, what's wrong with you, let's talk 401k 401k are through the roof, let's keep going through the roof and he doesn't come from Scranton, it's like he lived there for a short period of time before he realized it. let's move on and he left and the people of pennsylvania let me move on to my next question as of tonight over 12 million people are out of work and as of tonight 8 million more americans have fallen into poverty and more families go hungry every day the most affected are women and people of color see washington fighting over a relief bill mr president why haven't you been able to get them the help they need 30 seconds here because nancy pelosi doesn't want to approve?

I do it, but you're the president, I do it, but I still have to get it, unfortunately, that's one of the reasons why I think we're going to take over the house because of her. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to pass anything because she would love to have some victories on a date called November 3rd. Nancy Pelosi doesn't want to approve it. We are ready,willing and able to do something. Don't forget that we have already approved three plans and it has been fair to include Democrats. one that she doesn't want is close to the elections because she believes that it helps her politically, I think it hurts her politically, okay, Mr.

Vice President, no, the Republican leader in the United States Senate said he can't approve it, he won't be able to approve it, pass it, he won't. He has Republican votes, why isn't he talking to his Republican friends? Let me stick with you, Vice President, we got this done because let me, let me ask Vice President Biden a question, you're the leader of the Democratic party, why do you have? You didn't pressure the Democrats to make a deal for the American people, well I've pushed it, look, they passed this law earlier in the summer, this is like it's not new, it's been there, this heroes law has been there. existed.

I sat there and looked at what was happening when I was in charge of the recovery bill with $800 billion I was able to get $145 billion for local communities that have to balance their budgets in states that have to balance their budgets and then having to balance their budgets. fire fire having to lay off firefighters teachers first responders law enforcement officers so they could keep their cities and counties running he won't support that they haven't done anything for them and mitch mcconnell said let him go broke, let him go broke, come on, what's going on? The bill that passed the House was a bailout for poorly run, high-crime Democratic cities and states.

It was a way to bring a lot of money, billions and billions of dollars into these states. It was also a way to get a lot of money out of the pockets of our people. For the people who come to our country illegally, we were going to take care of everything for them and what that does and I would love to do that, I would love to help them, but what that does. , everyone around the world will start collaborating. in our country we can't do it this was a way to take care of them this was a way to spend on things that had nothing to do with greed according to your question, but in reality it was a big bailout for poorly run Democrat cities and states Okay, I want to do it, if they choose me, I won't do it.

I'm running as a proud Democrat but I'm going to be an American president. I don't see red states in blue states. What I see is the American United States. and people in every state are in trouble, they are going to start laying off, whether they are red or blue cops, firefighters, first responders, teachers, because they have to balance their budget and the founders were smart, they allowed the federal government to deficit spend. to make it up to the united states of america i want to talk about the minimum wage gentlemen mister vice president we are talking a lot about struggling small businesses yes and business owners these days do you think this is the right time to ask them to raise? the minimum wage you, of course, support a federal minimum of 15, I do it because I think one of the things we're going to have to do is we're going to have to bail them out too, we should bail them out now, those small businesses.

You have one in six of them sunk, they will not be able to return, they pass the professional package that allows us to call the ppp. The money is supposed to go to help them do everything from organizing how they can. deal with getting their businesses open safely schools how they can make classrooms smaller how they can hire more teachers how they can install ventilation systems they need help both businesses and schools need the help but these guys won't help them it's without giving them none of the money, let's move on to immigration, but I mean we have to ask small businesses to raise the minimum wage, that doesn't help, I think it should be a state option.

Alabama is different than New York. york is different from vermont every state is different it should be a state app you said we have to help it is very important we have to help our small businesses how are you helping your small businesses when you are forcing wages what is going to happen and what has been done proven to happen when you make these small businesses lay off a lot of their employees. You said you would regrettably consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour. You recently said you would consider raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour.

That's still the case and I would consider it to some extent, but I really like that I'm in a second administration, but not at a level that's going to put all these companies out of business, it should be a state option. Look at everything in different places, I know. different places everyone is different in some places fifteen dollars is not so bad in other places other states fifteen dollars is fine president trump thank you quick response vice president baden two jobs one job to be low poverty people make six seven eight dollars an hour these A the first responders that we all applaud when they come down the street because they have allowed us to do what is happening, they deserve a minimum wage of 15 anything below that puts it below the poverty level and there is no evidence that when increased the minimum is that salaried companies close that is simply not true we are going to talk about immigration we are going to talk about immigration now gentlemen and we are going to talk about families within this context Mr.

President your administration separated children from their parents at the border there are at least 4,000 children. It has since reversed its zero-tolerance policy, but the United States cannot locate the parents of more than 500 children. So how will these families ever be reunited? Children are brought here by coyotes and many bad things. people cartels and they brought them here and they used to use them to come into our country now we have a stronger border than ever we have over 400 miles of new wall you see the numbers and we let people but they have to come in legally and they come in through but how are they meeting?

Let me tell you that he and his family built cages. You know they used to say I built the cages and then they had a picture in a certain newspaper. it was a picture of these horrible cages and they said look at these cages, President Trump built them and then it was determined that they were built in 2014, that was him, they were planning to round up the kids, yes we are working on it, we are trying. very difficult, but many of these children leave without their parents, they come through cartels, coyotes and gangs. Vice President Biden, let me bring you into this conversation.

Quick answer and then another question for you: These 500+ children came with parents. They separated them at the border so that it would be a disincentive to come, to begin with, they are very tough, we are very strong and guess what they can't, it's not coyotes, they didn't bring them, their parents were with them, they separated from their parents and so. makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation, let me ask you friend, they did it, we changed the policy, your answer, they did it, we didn't, they built the cages, they, who built the cages, Let's talk about who. they built the cages let's talk about what we're talking about what happened parents were torn away, their children were torn from their arms and separated and now they can't find more than 500 groups of those parents and those children are alone, they have nowhere to go, no They have somewhere to go, it's criminal it's criminal let me ask you I'll tell you this they fell we brought the journalists everything is very well taken care of they are in facilities that were so clean some of them have not met but just ask one question who built the cages I would love to tell you ask who built the cage.

Let me ask you about your immigration policy, Mr. Vice President. The Obama administration failed to deliver on immigration reform that had been a key promise during the administration. You also presided over record deportations and family detentions at the border before changing course so why should voters entrust you with immigration reform now because we made one mistake made two it took too long to get it right it took too long to get it right I will be president states united states not vice president of the united states and the fact is that i have made it very clear within 100 days i am going to send to the united states congress a path to citizenship for more than 11 million undocumented people and all those so-called dreamers, those daca children They are going to be immediately recertified to be able to stay in this country and put them on the path to citizenship.

The idea that this guy is sending them home and what they want to do is that they've gone to a country that "I've never seen you before. I imagine you're five years old and your parents are taking you across the Rio Grande and It's illegal and you say, "Oh no, mom, leave me here, I'm not going to go with you." I've been here, many of them are model citizens, over 20,000 are first responders taking care of people during this crisis. We owe them We owe it to Christian, he had eight years to do what he said he was going to do and I have changed.

Without having a specific we got rid of catch and release we got rid of a lot of horrible things that they put in and that they lived with but he he was eight years old he was vice president he did nothing except build cages to keep the children in vice president his answer catch and release you know what you are talking about there if in fact he encountered a family and they were arrested they were in fact given a date to appear for their hearing, they were released and guess what they showed up to Listen to this is the first president in the history of the United States, United States, anyone who seeks asylum has to do so in another country, something that has never happened before in USA.

That had never happened before in the United States. You come to the United States and make your case that I am seeking asylum based on the following on the following premise why I deserve it under American law they are sitting in squalor across the river president trump his response simply shows that he does not understand immigration of the catch and release laws is a disaster a murderer would come in, a rapist would come in, a very bad person would come in, we would take their name, we have to release them in our country and then you say they come back, less than one percent of the people come back, we have than send ice and border patrol to find them, we'd say come back in two years, three years, we'll file a court case on him, he needs Perry Mason, we'll file a court case on him, when he says they'll come back, don't come back, joe, they never come back, just i really hate to say this but those with the lowest IQ could come back okay president trump let's give vice president biden a chance to respond and then we'll move on to this you don't know the law joe vice president biden your answer you know the law what What he's telling you is just not true check it out they don't come back check it out okay let's move on but we don't have to worry about it they canceled it so we would have to worry that's right yeah 525 kids who don't know where in the name of God , they're going to be and they lost their parents, go ahead, okay, let's talk about our next section, which is race in America. and I want to talk about the way black and brown Americans experience race in this country.

Part of that experience is something called the conversation that happens regardless of social class and income, parents who feel they have no choice but to prepare their children for the opportunity that they could be attacked even by the police for no reason other than color out of your skin, Mr. Vice President, in the next two minutes I want you to speak directly to these families. Do you understand why these parents fear for their children? My daughter is a social worker and she is the only one who has written much about this. She has a graduate degree from the University of Pennsylvania in social work and you know, one of the reasons she ended up working on the east side of Wilmington, Delaware.

She is 90 years old and she is African American to know more about what was going on, which I didn't. I never had to tell my daughter that if she gets pulled over, make sure she stops traffic, puts both hands on the wheel, and doesn't do it. look in the glove compartment because someone can shoot you, but a black father, no matter how rich or poor he is, has to teach his son when you walk down the street, you don't wear a hoodie when you cross the street doing I'm sure, from In fact, if you get pulled over, yes, sir, no, sir, with your hands on the steering wheel because, in fact, you are the victim, whether you are a person who earns three hundred thousand dollars a year. or someone.

Who is on food stamps? The fact of the matter is that there is institutional racism in America and we have always said that we have never lived up to the fact that we consider these truths to be self-evident. All men and women are created equal. Guess what? we've never lived up to it, but we've all been constantly moving the needle more and more toward inclusion, not exclusion, this is the first president to come out and say that's the end, we're not going to do that anymore. to provide better economic opportunitieseducation better healthcare better access to education better access to opportunities borrowing money to start businesses all the things we can do and I've set out a clear plan on how to do those things just to give people a chance it's about building up the capacity to have wealth and to be free of violence, President Trump, same question for you and let me remind you of the question.

I would like you to speak directly with these families. Do you understand why these parents? I fear for his children, yes I do and again he has been in government 47 years. He never did anything except in 1994 when he did so much harm to the black community and called them out and called them super predators and said he said he's super. predators and they have never experienced that in 1994, their crime bill, the super predators, no one has done more for the black community than Donald Trump and if you look with the exception of Abraham Lincoln, possible exception, but with the exception of Abraham Lincoln, no one has done what I have.

I've done criminal justice reform Obama and Joe didn't do it. I don't even think they tried because they had no chance of doing it. Maybe they would have wanted to, but if you were to look at the arms, he had a turn to get. That was not a pretty picture and everyone knows it, including some very liberal people who cried in my office, cried in the Oval Office two weeks later, came out saying, wow, we have to defeat him. criminal justice reform, prison reform, opportunity zones with Tim Scott, a great senator from South Carolina, came up with this incredible idea for opportunity zones, it's one of the most successful programs, people don't talk about it.

A tremendous investment is being made, the biggest beneficiary is the black and Hispanic communities and then historically, the black colleges and universities after three years of coming to the office I love some of those guys they were great they came to the office and said yo I said what are you doing after three years I said why do you keep coming back because we don't have funding I said you don't have to come back every year we have to come back because President Obama would never give them long term funding and I did long term funding for 10 years and I gave them more money than they asked for because they said I think you need more and I said the only bad part about this is that I may never see you again because I became very friendly with them and they like me and I like them, but I historically saved colleges and universities, okay, and we're going to talk about your two records, but your response to that vice.

President, my response to that, since I never said what he accused me of saying, the fact of the matter is 2000, although after the crime bill was in the law for a while, this is the guy who said the problem in the crime bill not enough people in jail not enough people in jail and go to my website get the quote the date he said it not enough people talked about marauding gangs gangs young people and the people who were going to prowl our cities this is a guy who in Central Park five five innocent black kids continued to push to make sure they got the death penalty none of them were none of them were guilty of what was the crime of the crimes that they suggested looking at and talking about, he actually granted, he allowed 20 people, he commuted the sentences of 20 people, we committed sentences of more than a thousand people, more than a thousand, the same law that he is talking about is a law that fact was started by Barack Obama and secondly, we are in a situation here where we The federal prison system was reduced by 38,000 people under our administration and one of these things that we should be doing is there should be no minimum requirements mandatory in law, that's why I'm offering $20 billion from states to change their state laws to eliminate the minimum. mandatory and establish drug courts no one should go to jail because they have a drug problem they should go to rehab not jail we should fundamentally change the system and that's what I'm going to do but why didn't he? four years ago why didn't you do it four years ago even less why didn't I do it when you were vice president you keep talking about all these things that you're going to do and you're going to do this but you were there a short time ago and you guys didn't do anything.

We did it. You know, Joe. I ran thanks to you. I ran because of Barack Obama because you did a bad job. If he thought you did a good job, he would never have run. I would. I never applied, I applied because of you. I'm looking at you now you're a politician. I applied because of you. Okay, Vice President, Biden, your response to that and then I have some questions for both of you, well, I'll tell you. You, what do I hope, I hope he looks at me because what's going on here is you know who I am, you know who he is, you know his character, you know my character, you know our reputation for honor and telling the truth, I can't wait to have this. . race I'm looking forward to seeing this happen I'm the character of the country that's on the ballot our character is on the ballot look at us closely let me ask some followers please answer this we're going to have something that's true about Russia Ukraine China other countries iraq if this is true then he is a corrupt politician so don't tell me that you are this innocent baby joe they are calling you a corrupt politician no one president trump i want to continue on the issue of race we are talking about we are talking about race in right now and I want to stay on the topic of race, President Trump, I have to respond to that, please look real quick, there are 50 former national intelligence people who said that. he is accusing me it is a russian plan they have said that this has all the care four five former CIA chiefs both sides say what he says is a bunch of garbage no one believes it except him and his good friend rudy gianni you mean the computer laptop is now another hoax from russia russia russia that's exactly this is exactly what it is where the laptop is going it's russia I want to stay on the topic of race you have got to be kidding here we go again with Russia we leave to continue with the topic racial, Mr.

President, you have described the Black Lives Matter movement as a symbol of hate, you have shared a video of a man chanting white power before millions of his followers, you have said that black professional athletes exercise their First Amendment rights should be dismissed, what do you say to Americans who say that kind of language from a president is contributing to a climate of racial hatred and strife? Well, you have to understand that the first time I heard about black lives matter, they were singing pigs. in a blanket talking about pigs police pigs talking about our pigs police in a blanket fry them like bacon I said that's a horrible thing and they were marching down the street and that was my first glimpse of black lives, I thought it was a terrible thing As far as to my relationships with all people, I think I have excellent relationships with all people.

I am the least racist person in this room. What do you say to Americans who are concerned about that rhetoric? I don't know, I mean, I don't know. what to say, I did criminal justice reform and prison reform and opportunity zones, I took care of black colleges and universities, I don't know what to say, they can say anything, I mean, they can say anything, it's very, I It makes me sad because am I the least racist person? I can't even see the audience because it's so dark, but I don't care who's in the audience. I am the least racist person in this room.

Okay, Vice President Biden, let me ask you real quick and then I have a follow-up question for you, abraham lincoln, this is one of the most racist presidents we've had in modern history, he adds fuel to every racist fire, every single one that He started his campaign going down the escalator saying he was getting rid of those Mexican rapists, he's banned Muslims because they're Muslims, he's moved on and made everything worse across the board, he tells you about the poor kids the last time he We were on stage here, he said I told him to leave and get ready to come. about this guy there's a dog whistle as big as a foghorn, President Trump, I'm going to give you 10 seconds to respond and then I have a follow up.

He made a reference to Abraham Lincoln. Where did that come from? I mean, you said. abraham line where did he do that? No, no, you said, I said no, since Abraham Lincoln has anyone done what I've done for the black community and I'm saying I didn't say I'm Abraham Lincoln, I said no, since Abraham Lincoln has someone I've done. what I've done for the black community. Now you've done nothing but the crime bill that put, oh God, tens of thousands of mostly black men in jail. Well, you know what, let me remind you, because if you look at what's happening. with the vote right now let me ask you if you remember president, I treated you very, very badly just take a look at what's going on out there vice president biden let me give you the opportunity to respond within this context to the crime bills that you supported in The 80s and 90s contributed to the incarceration of tens of thousands of young black men who had small amounts of drugs in their possession.

They are children, they are brothers, their parents, their uncles, whose families are still suffering the consequences to this day, so talk to those families why If they vote for you, one of the things is that in the '80s we passed 100 percent, all 100 senators voted for a bill on drugs and how to deal with drugs, it was a mistake. I've been trying to change ever since, particularly the cocaine part which is why I've been arguing that in fact we shouldn't send anyone to jail for a purely drug crime, they should get treatment across the board, in That's why we should spend the money, that's why I set up drug courts that were never funded by Republican friends.

They shouldn't go to jail for a drug or alcohol problem. They should get into treatment. That's what we've been trying to do. That's what. I'm going to do it because I think the American people have now seen that, in fact, it was a mistake to pass those drug laws, but they weren't in the crime bill, but why didn't they? Look, it's all talk, no action is taken with these politicians, why didn't he? That's what I'll do when I'm president. You were vice president along with Obama as your president. Their leader for eight years. Why didn't he do it?

I had eight years to do it. Now he says that We are going to do it because you only talk and do nothing, we did a lot, we freed 38, we did everything, we were left with 38,000 prisoners of yours, you did nothing, 38,000 prisoners were released from the federal prison that we have there. There were more than a thousand people who were granted clemency. We make it a fact that we were the ones who introduced the legislation saying that we could look at the patterns and practices of police departments and what they were doing, how they were behaving.

I could go on, but let's get started. the process we started the process we lost an election that's why I'm running to win back that election and change their terrible policies I just said question number one why didn't you do it in the eight years ago just a short time ago why did you do it You don't do it, you finish to say: I'm going to do that, I'm going to do this, you imprisoned tens of thousands of young people, mostly black, now you're saying you're going to get, you're going to undo that, why did you do it?

If you make it, you had eight years with Obama, you know why Joe, because you just talk and do nothing, okay, Vice President Biden and then we'll move on to the next section, better Republican congress, that's the answer, okay? I have to convince them, so okay, you have to convince them. Let's move on to the next section, like I did with criminal justice reform. I had to convince the Democrats to become knights. You did it. We're running out of time. then we have to move on to climate change please, they both have very different views on climate change.

President Trump, you say environmental regulations have hurt jobs in the energy sector. Vice President Biden, you have said that you see addressing climate change as an opportunity to create new jobs for each of you, how would you combat climate change and support job growth at the same time, starting with you, President Trump, It has two uninterrupted minutes, so we have the billion tree program? We have so many different programs. I love the environment, but what? What I want is the cleanest crystal clear water, the cleanest air, we have the best lowest carbon emissions number, which is a great standard that I notice Obama follows all the time, no Joe, I haven't heard Joe use the term because I am not.

I'm sure he knows what it represents or means, but I've heard Obama use it and we have the best carbon emissions numbers we've had in 35 years under this administration. We are working very well with the industry, but this is what we cannot do. in China, how disgusting it is, look at Russia, look at theIndia, it's disgusting, the air is disgusting, the Paris agreement. I took us out because we were going to have to spend billions of dollars and we were treated very unfairly when they put us there. They did us a disservice, they were going to take away our businesses.

I will not sacrifice tens of millions of jobs, thousands and thousands of companies for the Paris agreement. It was so unfair. China does not take action until 2030. Russia returns to a low standard and we take action. immediate, it would have been, it would have been, it would have destroyed our businesses, so, voila, we have done an incredible job on the environment, we have the cleanest air, the cleanest water and the best carbon emissions standards that we have seen in many , many years vice president, we have not destroyed our industries vice president, we offer you two uninterrupted minutes climate change and climate warming global warming is the next essential threat to humanity, we have a moral obligation to address it and we are told According to all the leading scientists in the world, we don't have much time.

We will pass the point of no return within the next eight to ten years. Four more years since this man removes all the regulations we put in place to clean up the climate clean up to limit limited emissions will put us in a position where we will be in real trouble this is where we have a big opportunity. I was able to get both all the environmental organizations and Work people concerned about jobs to support my climate plan because what it does will create millions of new good paying jobs that we are going to invest in, for example, 500,000 50,000 50,000 charging stations on our roads so that we can own the meanwhile, China is doing that, we are going to be in a position where we are going to make sure that we are going to take 4 million billion existing buildings and 2 million homes existing and modernize them. them so they don't waste as much energy, saving hundreds of millions of barrels of oil in the process and creating a significant number of jobs and, by the way, the general idea of ​​what all of this is going to do is create millions of jobs and it's going to clean up the environment our health and our jobs are at stake that is what is happening and what right now by the way Wall Street firms indicated that my plan will in fact create 18.6 million jobs seven million more than yours this It's from the street wall and I will create a trillion dollars more in economic growth than your proposal, not in the climate, only in the economy, President Trump came out and said very strongly that six thousand five hundred dollars would be taken away from families under his plan that his plan is an economic disaster if you look at what he wants to do, you know, if you look at his plan, his environmental plan, you know who developed it, aoc plus three, they don't know anything about the climate, I mean, she has a good line of things, but she doesn't know anything about the weather and everyone is jumping through hoops to get AOC plus three.

Look, his real plan costs a hundred billion dollars. If we had the best year in the history of our country in a hundred years, we wouldn't even come close to a number like that when you say buildings, they want to tear down buildings because I want to turn bigger windows into smaller windows as far as they're concerned, If you didn't have a window, it would be something lovely, this is the craziest plan. No one has ever seen that and this was not done by intelligent people. This was not done by anyone. Frankly, I don't even know how it can be good politically.

They want to spend a hundred billion dollars. That's their true figure. What they're trying to say was six. It's a hundred billion. of dollars. They want to tear down buildings and build new buildings with tiny little windows, I mean, and a lot of other things and a lot of other things, let me have the vice president answer and we're running out of time and I have a lot more questions so let's listen to the vice president. I have many more questions. I don't know where he comes from. I don't know where he gets these figures that weigh 100 billion dollars.

Give me a break on this plan. This was planned and supported by all the major environmental groups and all the labor groups because they know that the future is in the future and therefore they can breathe and they know that they are good jobs to get us there and by the way the fastest . The growing industry in the United States is electricity, excuse me, solar energy and wind, he believes that wind causes cancer. Windmills are the fastest growing jobs and pay good prevailing wages. Between $45 and $50 an hour, we can grow and we can be cleaner if we go down the path I'm proposing, President Trump, please respond.

We are energy independent for the first time. We don't need all these countries we had to fight for because we needed their energy. We are energy independent. I know more about the wind. than you, it is extremely expensive, it kills all the birds, it is very intermittent, it has many problems and it happens that they make windmills both in Germany and in China and the vapors that come out, if you believe in carbon emissions, the vapors rise to make these huge windmills is mostly what we're talking about with natural gas, which is very clean, another thing, find me a solar system, I love solar energy, but solar energy doesn't have it yet, it doesn't have it yet It is powerful. really run our big beautiful factories that we need to compete with the world so far it's all a pipe dream but you know what we're going to do we're going to have the biggest economy in the world but if you want to kill the economy get rid of your oil industry you want and what's up with fracking, okay let me know, let me let the vice president respond, I never said I oppose frakie, he said it on tape, I showed the tape, put it on your website, the I'll put Put it on the website.

The fact of the matter is a lie. Would you rule out banning fracking? I rule out Benny Fracking because the answer we need is for other industries to transition to eventually reach zero emissions by 2025. What I will do with fracking over time is make sure that we can capture the emissions from fracking capture the emissions from the gas. We can do it and we can do it by investing money and doing it, but it's a transition to that. I have one more question. In this position he was against fracking, he said so. I'll show you tomorrow.

I was against fracking until he got the nomination. He went to Pennsylvania and then said, but you know what Pennsylvania, very soon he will be against it because his party is totally. against fracking on federal lands, I said no oil would be used in February, let me ask this final question in this section and then I want to move on to our final section, President Trump people of color are much more likely to live near oil refineries. petroleum and chemicals. Plants in Texas There are families who fear that the nearby plants are making them sick. His administration has rolled back the regulations on these types of facilities.

Why should these families give him another four years in office? The families we are talking about are very employed and are making much more money than they have ever made before. If you look at the type of numbers that we produce for Hispanics or blacks for Asians, the percentage gain is nine times greater than in the three years that it lasted. less than eight years of the two of them, to put it kindly, nine times longer now that someone is alive. I haven't heard the numbers or statistics you're saying, but they're making a huge amount of money financially, we saved it and I saved it.

We did it again a few months ago, when oil crashed due to the pandemic, we saved it, we can say what you want about the relationship, we got Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Russia to reduce a lot of time, we saved our oil industry and now it is very vibrant together and everyone has very cheap gasoline vice president biden your answer and then we are going to have a final question for you two my answer is that those people live in what they call fences he does not understand this they live near chemical plants that, in fact, contaminate the plants chemicals and the oil plants and refineries that pollute.

I used to live near it as a kid in Clemont Delaware and there are more oral refineries on Marcus Hook and the Delaware River than anywhere else, including Houston at the time. when my mom got in the car and when the first frost to take me to school turned on the windshield there was an oil stain on the window, that's why so many people in my state were dying and getting cancer, the fact is that the frontline communities, this doesn't matter what you pay them, it matters how you keep them safe, what you do and impose restrictions on pollution, the pollutants that come out of those fenced communities, okay, I have one last question: would you close there? or you would close the land because of the way I would transition from the oil industry yeah oh transition that's a big statement because I would stop doing that why would you do that?

Because the oil industry pollutes significantly. I said here's the deal, but that's a big step. Well, if you let me finish the statement because it has to be replaced by renewable energy over time and I would stop giving federal subsidies to the oil industry, he will not give federal subsidies to the exchange of gas with solar and wind energy, yes, Why do we give it to the oil industry? Actually, we do solar and wind energy, that's maybe the most important statement in terms of business, that's the most important thing, okay, because basically what he's saying is he's going to destroy the oil industry, remember that texas, would you remember that pennsylvania, oklahoma, vice president biden, let me give you 10 seconds to respond and then I have to move on to the final question, vice president biden, take everything out of context, but the point is that we look, we have to move towards net zero emissions, the first place to do it by 2035 is energy production by 2050, totally fine, are you going to get China to do it?

No, we're done with this, are you going to get China and this? The first question goes to you, President Trump, imagine that this is the day of his inauguration, what will he say in his speech to the United States? To the Americans who didn't vote for you. Each one will have one minute, starting with you. We have to make a country totally successful. It was before the plague came from China, now we are rebuilding it and we are doing record numbers: 11.4 million jobs in a short period of time, etc., but I will tell you to go back before the plague came, just before of being infected. calls from people who weren't normally people who called me wanted to be together we had the best black unemployment numbers in the history of our country Hispanic women Asian people with diplomas no diplomas with number one graduates in the class everyone had the best numbers and you know what that the other party wanted to get together they wanted to unify success will unite us we are on the road to success but I am cutting taxes and he wants to raise everyone's taxes and he wants to impose new regulations on everything he will kill you if he comes in you will be depressed like never before You've seen, your 401k is going to hell and it's going to be a very, very sad day for this country, okay, Vice President Biden, same question.

To you, what will you say during your inaugural speech to the Americans who did not vote for you? I will say that I am an American president, I represent you all, whether you voted for me or against me and I will make sure that you are represented I will give you hope we will move forward we will choose science over fiction we will choose science hope over fear we are going to choose to move forward because we have enormous opportunities enormous opportunities to make things better, we can grow this economy, we can deal with systemic racism and at the same time we can make sure that our economy is led, driven and motivated by energy clean, creating millions of new jobs and that's the fact that that's what I'm going to do and I'm going to say as I said at the beginning what's on the ballot here is the character of this country decency honor respect treating people people with dignity by making sure that everyone has the same opportunities and I'm going to make sure that they understand that they haven't gotten it right for the last four years.

I want to thank you both for a very intense hour and a half of debate, a fantastic debate. I really appreciate it. President Trump, former Vice President Joe Biden. Thanks to Belmont. University for hosting us tonight and, most importantly, thank you to those who watched tonight. Election Day is November 3rd. Don't forget to vote. Thank you all and have a great night.