Triumph Street Triple vs Honda CB650R - REAL WORLD TEST

you want, you open the throttle and it's ready to go. Yeah, I think the midrange on that bike is unparalleled for the class, it's such a cool thing to do. One thing I'm noticing about the type of riding experience on the

triple

is that the handlebars make a lot of buzz,

real

ly, um, yeah, compared to the Honda, which everyone likes the four cylinders more and they vibrate, uh, this it makes a lot of humming noise, okay, and maybe it's just me, but I noticed that yes, I find the Honda to be very unbuttoned on the

street

, maybe a little blurrier but not too much, but it's interesting that you noticed that yeah, I guess it's just because I drive a Honda every day of the week. but you know that there is a very high frequency hum in the handlebars, I understand you.

I can feel my fingertips already tingling a little but it has a lot more impact than the CB, yeah it's crazy how much more impact it has because on paper you're Oh it just makes you know 10 more horsepower or whatever be it in the S version and certainly at the higher revs you don't notice that much of a difference, but when you're driving around town, how often are you

real

ly above 10,000 rpm? Not that often, yeah, and that's where the

triple

is really so good because in the midrange where you use the power every day, pull, it's really.

I don't think I've ever ridden a bike that just works. juice everywhere, it's interesting, yeah, what I like most about that engine is that if you look at a dyno and maybe we could put a little photo here, it almost looks like the most ideal dyno graph because the torque is relatively like a straight line. and the horsepower is like, you know, y is equal to x, kind of, you know, gradient like that, no, so this is exactly what you would want from a predictable engine, the torque curve is flat, it's really nice. , whereas this is really, you know that.

You gotta rev it up, you gotta have some fun with it and rev it up, and some people love it, you know, it's a big reason why people love, you know, using the R6 as a platform. for racing and doing things, but I think for

street

duty, something like the three-cylinder engine is really where it's at. I've never seen anyone go in there, that's crazy. I guess someone has to live here, right? Imagine if this was your commute man ah man man I miss a bike with Rosso three. I really like these tires. I think they work very well.

Yeah, I know in theory you know sports touring tires, all you need on the road, but man, having that kind of movement and that grip is great, yeah, and I've had Roscoe three on a couple of bikes now and they're a great tire and then I give them a long life, yes I think three too, the q3 works very well for the streets too, I think when you start to like the super circuits and the q4 is too excessive for the street stuff and it's because I know the RS for the street triple comes in super strengths, which tells you what they want you to do with that bike, but yeah, for regular road use, don't compete with compounds like the super 4, for so the q4 is really too much.

One thing I will say about this is that the classic 4 cylinder pops. and creaks and sounds, it's so much fun to ride this thing and just shift through the gears and see what it does, you know, having that whole system in there has really given that bike a little bit of life, yeah, before. It didn't have the stop can, it was pretty quiet and lifeless. Now this bike is great, I mean, although the street triple is so beautiful and velvety and spicy, and I really like it, man, this one is great. bike: You really can't go wrong with this one, which is interesting because you know we're making a comparison between bikes in completely different categories and yet we do the same thing with them, you know it's considered maybe the top end of a bike for beginners and this at all but they still do the exact same thing yeah I know you know it's actually a great conversation starter where we talk about why that bike is totally inappropriate for beginners and why this one is actually for you , if you have I really wanted you to be able to make it work.

Give me some reasons why you think that's the case. Well, first of all, the main reason why this is not a beginner's bike is that right there it's you or me, you get close fast, yeah. If you're not paying attention and you accidentally give it too much gas, it will go away from you very easily, yeah, and you know, if we're talking about these bikes back to back, maybe the price not necessarily, but this is an expensive motorcycle, yeah, and finally it's just that you know, I think if I was a beginner on a bike like this and I was practicing in the parking lot and I accidentally dropped this, I'd have to go home and suffer my sorrows.

You know, I would feel terrible if I dropped that bike, no, it's just game over. Really, this is a bike that I would consider a finisher, you almost know, you've had a couple of beginner bikes, you've had your ninja 400, maybe you have one. 650 and then you get this for the street and that's it, order the rest of the rest of your life, yeah you don't need anything else, the street ride will work great on a single bike garage lifestyle type motorcycle because it's a bike you might have to commute on is a bike that will happily do track days and stop clipping completely fine, you could take that thing on a road trip, you could do everything with that bike and it will happily do everything, no that's it I think one of the biggest selling points of the Street Triple for me is that if you could only have one bike it would be very good, yes you really could do a lot worse, yes it's very versatile and I guess one last thing that would say. "This bike is in a maybe panic situation for the untrained, a couple of fingers, the front brake can surprise you, oh yes it has a lot of stopping power even though it has ABS which really only does a lot, yes, "You know you will." We'll still be able to totally beat the brakes on this bike and then I guess of course just the black magic that makes the intake sound yeah so I think for me that's the two main reasons why it's not a great beginner bike , so one. it's that mid-range torque, you know if you're below 5,000 rpm that thing pulls nice and hard, it's great for an experienced rider, but for a beginner it's really not a good option and it's funny every time we say that about three times the street. like all the guys who bought a street triple as their first bike come out of Woodworks and say I bought one and I'm fine you know well I also question it every time I hear that because okay yeah you did it.

Not dying on your street doesn't mean you're a good cyclist, that doesn't mean you learned and had fun with the bike, but maybe I'll learn how to survive on your triple street, you know, you know, whereas if you bought one proper bike, you would have had a lot more fun learning how to ride it and you wouldn't have felt too serious, you know? So to me, that's a big reason and then the second one is, like you said, it's just expensive. I know it's why would you spend $11,000 on a first motorcycle when you know you're going to throw it away, you know you're going to throw it away, you know you might do something dumb with it, so yeah, it doesn't make sense, oh. and the third reason also is that it's that intoxicating sound of intake and it really prompts you like that blank space has the quality of really prompting you to know where the Stevie is, it's okay if you want to go a little bit. faster we can do that, that's fine, but you know, maybe let's go back a little bit.

What does street travel mean? It was like throwing everything you can at me. Let's do this. Yes, it's inside. It's okay to just do these turns. lazily but it also feels like I'm asking you why you're not just dragging your knee around every damn corner, yeah, totally. Wow, that mid-range punch you can, almost lifts the wheel off the ground mid-corner. Mind you, it's wild, it's pretty impressive. but yeah, the mid range hit on that bike is just fantastic for a more experienced throttle, but yeah, it's a beginner, that's Blake, if you're on second or third ear coming out of a corner and you hit it too hard, that's going to be a bad time, yeah, this you could, you could hurt yourself pretty easily, this is, this is a bike that you can definitely get up on if you're too measured in the application of that throttle, the toe line for it's so intoxicating, although you love revving it here, says it's really cool, it sure is a perfect bike, oh yeah, I love the pops and crackles in the D cell, it's really nice, like the Seabees in every detail. bike: if that's what you want from it, you know, yeah, I like VFR to bring out my little passion, which only makes about a hundred horsepower, but that's all you need on the street, you totally know that .

I thought VFR generated a little more. that that, although no, no, it's close to a hundred, it's okay with the tune, it will produce more, but I'm not tuned into that thing, yeah, so I think here's the thing if you're looking at a first bike and you're looking at the street. the triple s vs the CB 650 are a great comparison, really comparable bikes, one will definitely get you there as a beginner bike, you might convert to the other, not a good beginner bike if you're looking at the CB 650r vs the Street Triple S or R how are you. kind of second bike that you want to turn into something for me personally, I would say go for the triple street, it's a more exotic bike, it's got a little more punch.

I think you'll be happier with it in the long run if you want to keep it for a long time, but that doesn't mean the Seabee is a bad buy, it just means you know the Street Triple will be the better long-term buy, in my opinion. What do you personally think based on anecdotal evidence? evidence from my own group of riders, I would choose the Honda just for Wow, controversial brother, because I like a bike that I just don't have to think about, you know, if I'm good, I need to change the oil and I see a flake on a little bit of

triumph

ant oil.

I think hmm and I think he should go to the dealership and get it checked out, yeah, but you know Honda Pradas will usually last forever if you do just the basic maintenance to keep them happy, you know? That CB over there could easily go a hundred and fifty thousand miles on that engine, probably and you know, it's something I really value as someone who has, you know, a drz that needs everything every day. drz is like your rescue animal, yeah, he's exactly like this abandoned dog that you picked out and he feels like someone has to love him, damn, you know, yeah, and I just like the idea of ​​having a bike, I go out to the garage, I hit the starter and it just wakes up. no, no drama, no crazy, no drama, no, no, like having to ride a bike a couple of times, it just works, you know, yeah, in that sense, I think I would definitely choose the Honda Above

triumph

, however, there is something to be said for having that.

The punch that this bike has because it's really going to keep you happy if you're looking for something potentially is a little bit more exciting, yeah, because it's pretty lit up, but it's very exciting to ride. Yes, Hondas aren't necessarily known for being the most exciting bikes. out there maybe that new Fireblade is it, but something tells me I'm not going to be able to get that cbr1000rr SP freebie when, hey, if we keep doing great things like we're doing, hopefully soon, that would be crazy. I never take it to the track, I only ride it on the street, I never take it above 2000 rpm just to piss everyone off.

He got a track bike and he was telling the track, "I gotta, yeah, you know what that fight is, I'm sorry, man." I will say, while this is fucking telepathic, evading these laws, yeah dude, you just don't have to do anything to it now that the inward motion and mid-corner feel is exactly like my 675r. I love you guys. you guys know I love that bike, the street ripples, there's no difference, it's just the same feeling of telepathically launching yourself into a corner, it's cool and having that in a package that you can still ride to work every day is amazing.

Yes, I want to say this. It's not sporty enough to hurt you riding a bike, yeah, and you know, it's six and three. I fit comfortably on this bike, which is great. It was sitting on other bikes before and it just didn't fit. Yes, I think a lot of people could adapt to it. Street Triple is a pretty friendly and calm package, the seat height is a little high and the pegs are a little high but that comes with being a proper sports bike and you're not trying to be anything else. I think it's worth pointing out.

I haven't left second gear, you were thinking the whole time, yeah, I've been in second gear the whole time and I'm just not having much fun. I haven't needed the change. I haven't needed it. it's ready to go, yeah, yeah, it wasn't, so a lot of times I was between second and third place, you know, just to get my gears going a little bit, yeah, I'm cruising at 45 or 48 miles an hour at the moment.indicated and in second gear 6,000 rpm, yes, and you just open it and it's ready to go. I guess that's the beauty of the triple, it's just power everywhere, yeah it's a really very smooth engine that has power throughout the rev range.

That's it, you're ready, yes, three, two, one, wow. Wow, a lot more neck to neck than I thought, yeah, no, that was fourth gear for you, yeah, and I was at full speed, yeah, me too, fourth year, they were neck to neck. Wow, that was actually really surprising. I didn't expect that at all. You know, what it could be is just a weight difference between you and me, which could be where all those differences seem possible. Yeah, I bet I'm in GP spec, as we mentioned, no. he certainly doesn't, I'm a Harley spec right now, really a spec, yeah, that was really surprising, honestly, because I always understand that maybe it's crazy, that it really was impressive, that I expected this to just walk away and me See, even think that we know what you are.

Everyone's been talking about showing you what happens while the bike doesn't know what gear it's in. It's nice to know it says neutral right there, yes, but it was in neutral that second. I mean, just looking at them side by side here, it's just looking at the difference in the tails, yeah, look at how that tail sweeps you away. you know, mm-hmm, yeah, that's the same Daytona subframe, while this is literally for this bike, this 650 platform that they put the fully faired version on and the naked version, yeah, I don't think they'll use this frame for nothing more, right?

I think well, I mean it's there's everything on the 650s, so yeah, you know, the 650, the CBR 650f, yeah, I think it uses this exact same setup, yeah, but what we're saying is this doesn't. it's like a race repeater frame oh no this is very street focused frame that's on this bike yeah because I think they only used those 600 frames in the 90's to make like the naked versions of their 600 in last. I don't think Honda makes it naked $600 right now they do. Naked thousands like the CBE 1000 R, but I don't think it's the same frame as a Fire Blade, especially no it's not, it's basically this, but bigger, it's exactly the same type of setup, yes I want say, they are both, they are both.

There are cool bikes in their own right, you know, yeah, I think I'm a little more appropriate. Throwdown would be the Seabee 650r and the it really makes it hard to put the Honda in one place, you know, yeah, it's interesting because they're both doing something neo retro, but this one, I mean, if we had to make that comparison, we should definitely do it, if we have time before we give it away. . It will be very obvious that one is like a cruiser and the other is like a sports bike, you know? to varying degrees, a sport bike, because we saw it with the triple street or it's like an extreme sport bike and this is like a sport bike, you know, you don't do sporty things, but it's nothing like that, so final thoughts, flight, what are you doing?

I think well, I think again, I personally would have to have the Honda, but if there was, if I could just take the engine out of there and put it in there and have Honda design it to run forever, then then we'll be. talking like a dream bike because it sounds like you want an FCS F co9 so it's so nice to have the reliability of a Japanese bike but also have that kind of exotic feel because then everyone looks at what bike that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't do that with Hondas and I've ridden my fair share of them and no one really cares.

Yeah, you're just in a Honda, it's pretty dumb. Yes, you know, the triumph, sir, the triumphs are a spectacle. -stopping regardless of whether it's the Bonneville it's the tiger, you know, it's the triples, they're so nice. I heard it. I think it was on the RevZilla podcast. There's a great quote about the Bonneville that says: If you have a Bonneville, it doesn't matter. you know it's a man or a woman like someone wants to come talk to you about that bike you know you don't get everyone's attention they use like some bikes get a lot of attention girls other bikes guy cabin you know the Bonneville is one of those bikes that It attracts a lot of attention from everyone and I think that this bike is the same in a different way, like if you know about motorcycles when you see a street triple you feel sick, that's incredible if you don't know anything about them.

You say I don't know all that, so I'm not really going to think about it, you know, yeah, yeah, so try to think who we should buy each of these bikes. What is the democratization of each of these bicycles? the CB is the right person for this, it's someone who is a little older and with a little more money looking to start writing, yes the trump is someone who is an experienced cyclist, you know, let's go super fast in the phase street, yes, and I'm willing to accept the responsibility of a motorcycle built for the track on the street.

Yes I agree. Yeah. I think the natural progression to triple street is someone who started on the sv650 and I see a lot of guys getting it a couple of years ago. sv650 have fun with it, learn to ride and they said, "Okay, I want my big bike" and then Street Trip was there waiting for you and it's an improvement in every detail over the SV, whereas the CB 650, like you said, could be that. first bike if someone has a little more cash, but it could also be a great second bike if you love the look of it, you love that Honda, maybe you started out as a rebellious 300 and you're like, hey, I want a real sporty Honda. bike but you want it to be street oriented this is your bike for sure yeah I think that sums it up although I think we said benefit yeah something else we'll just say the same thing yeah exactly so guys , Thanks so much for looking.

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