Trevor Noah Unpacks Religion, Societal Changes & Problematic Culture In America

Breakfast Club yes it's the world motivational morning refreshments Breakfast Club Halloween goodness Angelia these are interviews about a mini vacation we have a special guest in the building my man Trevor Noah is hey what's going on? Thanks for inviting me everyone, how does it feel to travel? I always wanted to know why you call it the most dangerous program in the world. What's that? I think it might have been more dangerous than it used to be, meaning people used to be afraid to come here. Oh I like it. The 1/8 mile M&M thing we like would say what people thought of us before you realized it and then they appear on the show.

No, no, I just wanted you to never know. We used to have t-shirts. That's all. I survived. Breakfast Club I like that, yes I would like one of those t-shirts, so what do you think will happen when this whole thing with Donald Trump one day, hopefully very soon, comes to an end? You think there will be tons of movies and when. It's coming to an end, it's not coming to an end, I hope so, this is what I think people take for granted, this guy feels like the election was stolen from him when he won, what is he going to do when he loses?

Yes, I will be. By the way, this is true, I think people assume that this guy thinks it's all a conspiracy. Trevor, you're smarter than me, please explain to people why I've been trying to tell people it won't be a peace. transfer of power I don't think it can be a transfer of power at all I don't think it's going anywhere I don't think Donald Trump does anything normally I wouldn't be surprised if he just said that I not leaving the way I come out I could see him saying that I don't I'm going, they were fake Gladys 3,000,000 fake Mexicans voted I'm not leaving and they say and you know what's weird in the United States, since the United States has all these rules where you just accept things, but they're not written correctly and then they'll just say "you're supposed to leave Donald, he says I'm not leaving and every time a bar bothers to do it you say we did it." It's exactly the Supreme Court, you know what I love when you say things like this, people say, well, you know, in our Constitution, I'm going to order that the Constitution doesn't care about the Constitution, you see how it is, it's great stuff. , but it is also like that.

It's amazing that this is happening, yeah, you look at them saying yeah, we did quid pro quo, okay. To be honest, I don't think it's great material. I think I think the things that are great material are things that you have to turn into Tyrael. What I don't like about Donald Trump is a comedian is that anyone can make a Donald Trump joke, it's too easy, yeah, so what I try and do is try to use Donald Trump to talk about other stories, other things that are happening in the world, so we can talk about Finland because of Donald Trump, you can talk about what is happening, you know, and like any country that you fight with New Zealand, you will have problems with it, no way way you will talk about Greenland.

Well, I want to talk about those things and then just use it, but if I can, I don't talk about it. Oh, the question is, reporting on this administration is really fun because it's a really serious thing that we deal with, is that right? Look at it, can you make a joke? Yes, of course, yes, this is what I'm not going to give Donald Trump the pleasure of being the boogeyman, you know what I mean, he is how I wish he was, that's why he has that face. yeah, he doesn't, he wants you to, he wants to be that guy that everyone says wow, I'm so scared of him.

I'm a man. You have to laugh at the guy who doesn't. I'm telling you that you have a Laugh at people like him because I believe that leaders like this sometimes command or demand respect that they don't deserve and, in my honest opinion, that is one of the best things you can do to leaders like this is laugh. from them. It's absurd that they do it and you shout the crazy things they say, but how funny is fascism, although it's still not fascism, that's their no, but that's what happens with the United States, look, the path to fascism has always been paved with democracy, yes. but I don't think we should live in an alarmist place where we think it's happening that Donald Trump is not Hitler, you know what I mean, he still isn't, but he's not now and the thing is America is in a place where, for example, for the most part, the guys have built a pretty solid country, you know what I mean, for the most part, like the fact that people can't talk about impeachment, these are fragments, it's a solid process, yeah, there have been some, you know, I always think about Donald Trump. he pokes holes in your boat like he's showing you all the leaks are hmm, but for the most part Charlemagne I don't think, I don't think you're there yet, I think you'll feel it when it comes, okay, yeah, sorry.

What comes up is the fact that he just didn't care about democracy in any way, he has no law, he likes not to care, yes, but the most important thing you have going for you is your army, your army doesn't goes. like your military likes to follow the rules, yes, they love to follow the rules and that is the most important thing in all countries in the world, when fascism comes, the guy says you are military with me and they are like generals with you and then there is a coup d'état. so put the military against the people, yes, but I mean, I don't see that happening in America, the military follows the rules and that's it.

Do you think people would forgive Donald Trump if he was singing a Fuji? song I think we'll be more impressed if you know a Fugees song, oh that's a fun idea. I'm just imagining Donald Trump sitting there with a selfie camera watching the food ready or not. Here I go, can you? We actually reproduced it up here. You do it, yes, in the briefing room, right? Your advice that you gave to artists is to just do like they do radio covers, yeah, so this is what I was saying, I think I wish it was a joke, but I mean, look, I get it.

I understand the confusion, you know, and I think in America I understand that there's a fundamental confusion that happens in and around hip-hop and some people don't understand the sensitivity that they need to have in and around the words that you're using is like if it wasn't like you can't use the word, you can use it, but don't be surprised when something happens to you, absolutely not, so you have to be the type of person that says look, man. I understand the sensitivities around this. I may have grown up with hip-hop. I may have identified with black

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, but I also understand Funtom fundamentally as a person, you have to be like you can be the kind of person who says look.

I understand that too. I am not black or I have not lived the black experience. I may have lived as part of it, right, but there's something that comes that way, as black people, we go like me, it's like the only benefit of oppression. get the n-word in a weird way, you know, like if you're a straight man singing women's lyrics, they'll change those words, lights, a suit, who they are, here's what's wrong with me, people censor themselves, everything you give it a wrapper. around your mother when you were young, yes, everyone feels that they were like no one, no one like them, no one made a mistake instead of saying bad words in front of their mother or grandfather or answer something that everyone knows how to censor themselves , especially when it comes to hip-hop, so I don't understand why people make that wall so hard like it's my favorite song.

I just can't, what am I supposed to do? What about when you caught a homeless man, the plain white devil's advocate? when you got caught up in the moment when you got caught up in the moment a concert you're in the car Eli sometimes you might not get caught up that you never got caught up in the moment man there's no such thing boy you don't know the letter the n-word just pops up at the around the corner it surprises you you didn't know what it felt like because I never hesitate to say it oh I didn't expect that to take me by surprise Charlemagne I have to say it, I did, I agreed that rappers have the power to change the narrative, although yeah, well, I meant it as a joke and I mean, I thought they should do another radio version.

I think they should make it as a non-black version. that everyone can rap they just find an alternative word and then everyone can just rap you know what I mean and I use the word it never feels good to use it and I also feel like you're making fun of someone their whole life and then they finally started to call themselves exactly call exactly an insult, right, that's not what I think. Oh, why would I look at the n-word? Yeah, I also think white people didn't think the n-word could be that cool, I think that That bothers some white people is that they thought it was just going to be like an oppression word and then black people made it kind of cool and they say : I want it back now it's like no, no, it's done, why? 'Everyone's name is that, I know, I get it, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, mhm, right, I just know that it's black people who should decide things, that's all I know, but it's hard to individualize , like for example, this person.

I grew up back then it's just that there's no way you can make a rule, there's no right or wrong answer. I get that there's a lot of older black people that would be like you, just you, we gotta get rid of that word and it never existed and you, you, you're holding us back and then young black people are like nobody's gonna say that word yet so I'm going to own that word as a young black man. I'm going to own what a young black girl is. I'm going to own that word before someone tries to own me with that word and I think that's what a lot of people say but I don't think there's a wrong answer yeah you know it's just a personal preference some people curse to others. don't curse, some people will say the n-word, some people won't say the n-word, but if you're not black, I can save you a lot of stress in your life by just saying don't do it.

I used the word in context I don't use it as a term oh, don't you like this morning, I made a donkey today or for this teacher called mr. Miller, who as part of his science curriculum had girls twerking in class, yeah, he gave her $25 and I play a game called guess what race he is and I'm like no, I'm not even okay with that. "I don't think there's context. I'll be honest with you. I think I think, to be honest with you. I feel like sometimes providing context to the word gives it a little more of the power that it used to have when we actually." In my opinion, I'm trying to get away from that, but there's no answer, there are higher frequency words, I don't think so, but what I'm saying, no, what I'm saying is this, I go, I don't think they should. be like, I don't think there's context for the n-word, right, it's the same way, so I'll give you an example, it's like when you go out with a group of women, they say to each other like five different ways I don't know I don't understand what's going on I don't even understand how they're doing it You can't do it I never jump in I never jump in and say yeah, I would never say this, but no, I really don't understand what you saw and that's cool, that's cool, no you remember the gay community will say things to each other where I'm like no. coming into this using these words it's not my place no I wish it was my place that's my thing I saw young man have a Noah at the Bernie Sanders rally yeah it's funny you said there's a lot of my best friend from home sent me that , he's like damn Bernie makes you look so young thank you for thank you for that thank you so much everyone everyone says that every time someone sees any kind of mixed race child it's mine, it's not funny to me, yeah, because as you know, Charmaine , look at your kid like no you can't just say that you should say I saw a kid that looks like I tell my kids like you're not like that it's like I don't I don't I don't even want to put that in the universe of that there's a random little Trevon or babies running around, though I know, man, Obama j: Drake, that's like the mixed race baby, that's it, that's the four of them, okay, I'll do it.

Take it, I'll take an equivalent for the word, is there one? Yeah, we had Kappa Kappa interesting interesting history that's like while this is why I like it so when people argue with me about the world, the word this is what I say is I'm going I don't agree with the idea of ​​saying you should. and the word or get rid of the word or you I don't think you can I'll tell you why because I don't think the word is the word itself has the power, it's the power that comes with the word, it's like it's associated with the word , makes sense?

So what the n-word represents, especially in America, is a system of oppression and what happens to black people in the country, but when traveling to other countries, they also have other words for what they did to blacks, so in South Africa the n-word doesn't mean anything in the same way, but we have the word kafir or cafard and it comes from Arabic. kaffir, which means someone who doesn't believe in Allah, and what happened was during the spice trade, like the Muslim traders landed in South Africa and they became known as the Zulus and the British because it was like a good, you know, it was uncolonized the space and said: do you believe in Allah? andinferior access to nothing because they have chosen to be with their people and I think that is often the problem that I have had is like People continue to fight for integration, but what they don't realize is that many times the reason why Black people were trying to move to white neighborhoods because they had sanitation, electricity, better schools, and then your mind was: I have to move there, it has better food options, but the truth is we should have gotten everywhere, that's my opinion, so I don't think we should have to live in a world where everyone is, you know, now it's like, oh no, do you want to live in it?

What happens if Trevor leaves? I want to live in a South African community in New York. Am I not allowed to do that? I would think you would want to know that we are natural tribal people. I wouldn't be where I am right. I don't want to do that that's why I left, but yeah, but I'm not going to live in the South African community in New York. Why would I come here? Community. I just want to live in a world where it doesn't matter. where you live, you know it shouldn't matter, yeah, you know what you live, in the blackest part of Harlem, you get a school that's as good as the best part of Manhattan, hey, you know, you grew up in Compton, you have access to the better police services like you live in bel-air and i think that's what we should strive for you don't have to try to make everyone live in everyone's area now we're counting people and trying to make sure the colors are the proportions right, it's more about can everyone live the best life possible and can we make sure it doesn't change depending on the color of their skin and where they live, yes, best I know.

I love going out and seeing black people. how it will be a lot of people, oh, I'm moving and you know whatever, but I feel like it's nice that you're going out, how you're doing what's good and it feels good to go to a good place, it feels good like that to For example, I grew up my whole life Sunday mornings playing music, my neighbors cleaning the porch doing something, but that's the

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I grew up in and to me, if there's really loud music on a Saturday or Sunday morning, I've never had it. thought-out. Do I need to call the police or do I need to tell someone that I am what life is and in your community there are certain rules and shared ideas that you have where you go, like yeah this is what happens, some guy will be on the corner playing music to full volume and that's what it does during the day.

I'm not offended by that man because I don't see it as an assault on me or who I am, but some communities where people like to turn off the lights, everyone keeps it up, can you? keep it down please everyone keep it down you see I'm saying right so I understand you so we want to live where we like things some people go live on a golf property together because they like it we all like it I like golf, yes, I don't. I don't like it, so I'm not going to go live on a golf estate, but like I say equal opportunity, equal access, I think that's the most important thing that people have been fighting for, yeah, and the funny thing I agree with you, but I guess it's difficult. live with who you want to live with because even though you're black they may not be people as financially well off as you so what you're saying is you want to live with rich people you know people know that the house where the money is yeah , it's like the projects are here, but right across the street there are houses from all the communities, but this is my thing, although this is my thing, have you ever been to South Africa, but it was like a big deal, now you know? you forget where we are in the world, no I forget where we are in the world, so I hope you went to Soweto when you were there, but if you didn't, I think when I went, Soweto is a municipality in South Africa fundamentally one of the largest hoods in the world, that's what was created, right, it was designed by the apartheid government to be destroyed as quickly as possible if black people rose up, a lot of people who were working and that was, how do we become black. that people live in a space close enough to the city that they can come to work, but not so close that they can just walk here and visit us when we don't want them to um, that community has become and has continued to become a bastion of like growth, we're like the first black owned shopping center in South Africa built and owned in Soweto, like if you look at how they have the houses, people did what you say, one guy got rich and said: "I will not leave".

I'm going to build a nice house, yeah, that's what we need and then another person said, "Well, then I'm going to build a nice house and I'm going to build a nice house and I'm going to build a nice one and I think there's something inspiring about of there's something inspiring about going, man, everyone goes, I've got a way out of the hood and I understand why I understand why sometimes you even need to do that, but there's also something about beautiful that says no, I'm going to take out the hood here. Yes, I transform your neighborhood, but what's your recourse?

Block by block, block by block, which I think is something that's happening now, but I did, it's happening slowly, yeah, it's really happening slowly and that It's something that I appreciate when people do that, you know, it's just finding a way to infuse resources into their community and say no, let's take the money and put it back, let's put it back, let's put it back and build ourselves up. because two things are happening at the same time my mother Way tells me this she goes while you are fighting to receive what you deserve from your government or your world you also need to be fighting to give it to yourself two things are happening at the same time and I think that as a black community, yes, we should always fight for equality and equal access to resources because we are taxpayers, you understand.

I'm saying it's not like we're second class citizens by any means. way, so you should fight for the things you deserve, but at the same time we have to remember to fight to give them to ourselves, you know what I mean? You have two different spaces where it's like, you also have a little bit of personal responsibility, there's nothing that exists in isolation and that's what I always try to do on my part, which is, yeah, fight for it, but remember these things What can I do for myself too, what could you do? apply your South African education to American culture that could benefit us, oh man what could apply?

That is hard. One thing I will say is that this is one of the most important things that I feel happened in America, you know, because of the slave trade. It wasn't just people that were stolen from Africa, it wasn't just lives that were stolen in Africa, the more I read about this, the more I understand that fundamentally they stole one of the most valuable things that can be stolen from a person and that is the knowledge of your culture, the knowledge of who you are a part of just because you are and that is such a beautiful and powerful thing to have as a human being is just to say yes, this is who I am and this is what I do and it's like It's my team, it's my team, whether I like it or not, whether they like it or not, they will always be my team, and one thing that I've always admired about black Americans and this is something that I feel like the world has gone through is. that black Americans created a culture in themselves that is beautiful, you know, hip-hop and a style of language and and and and and clothing and everything and that became a culture, but I feel like over time there are some negative aspects of black culture that they have advanced and that they don't need to advance, you know, I don't think we should celebrate ignorance.

Not really, I don't think we should avoid people who are ignorant because we understand how ignorant they become, it's something that is either taught or not taught and that's the patient, yes, but sometimes we make it seem like it's like you wouldn't do it. I mean, it's like, ma'am. you like gay what do you do with your money? you're going to examine lady man I don't invest what I look like a white man it's like no no but that's the trick that's the trick right it's like investing isn't a white man thing oh you say you're doing something that oh you must have been raised hell you have money you are exactly doing those white people things now exactly you see what we are now let's turn it into crooked teeth it's a black thing now, but you understand, I don't want to work, so we do it in South Africa too and but fortunately we still have culture, but I remember a time when I thought it was cool and guys, I wrote my first A Really Nice BMW and I walked into the gas station and the guy pumping gas came up to the car and knelt down like he was showing LUMO what's there in lapa, which means, hey, the white man, what's going on and you see, I know why he.

I know, but it's like a term you would say to another black person, like you made it, man, you got money for that white man, yeah, I don't like how you made it out of that white man and then I used to think it was brilliant. and then I realize that no, we are reinforcing the idea that success is inherently white, yes, that white is the period exactly where you go as a black person, now you have aspired to whiteness instead of aspiring to success and then you say like no, we can be successful, whether you're black, whether you're Latino, whether you're Asian, whether you're Indian, whether you're whatever, yeah, we've lived in a time where historically white people have been kicking ass for a long time so everyone thinks that's the color of success but it's not true success is success and we should strive for it and I appreciate you saying that we don't need to avoid people who do ignorant things but we do we have to educate people, yes, because we see.

That happens all the time no, I honestly don't have time for that, really, I try my best to live in a world where I go like no, I'll judge you by how you use language. I'll judge you by how you think, if I know you didn't grow up in a world where you were given, you get involved inside, yeah, I always love talking to people I don't agree with, it's one of my favorite things, you hate Castle . genuine coaches, this is what I don't like about canceled culture. I don't like that there are no terms. I don't like that canceled culture doesn't come with any specific type of punishment.

I like rules or ideas, so many of the people who participate in canceled culture are the same people who are for prison reform and I know the two are not exactly the same, but it operates in the same space of a Society, what do we expect to do with the people who have done harm? Do we want to banish them to the outskirts of civilization or do we want to educate them, inform them, punish them when necessary and then rehabilitate them and return them to society? So if someone says something trash online, right? I'd say 9 out of 10 people aren't trying they're not trying to say something trash they're not trying to be a no they're trying a lot of times people aren't trying and then people come in and they're like, you need to get canceled. , your garbage, that's what you cancel, okay, what does canceled mean, I probably canceled, it's inherently what it means, now you're singled out from our society, the question is, I go, where do you think those people? come on, we're creating a community of canceled people who have no choice but to be canceled by each other and those people won't be, even though they have no personal interest in coming, sorry no, but I don't think so, I don't think so.

It is in many ways that the neighborhood will be fired. Things will go back to normal. Well, there are varying degrees of cancellation. It is this same increase. I agree with you, some of this is superficial. People get canceled and then they continue the next day. I think it would be good to say, Hey, how can we relate to this person? Hey, Charlemagne, you said this and it hurt me, how do we talk to Charlemagne? and you say, "This is what you know." You never know Charlemagne might be like me. I wasn't trying to do that and now I get it, but you know when people are unlikely to join you is when you just pile up and like, fuck, you showed me a piece of trash where and then there's people up against the wall. that they like, yeah, well, you know, that's why I like them all and that's what you, yeah, that's why you need Redemption culture, but what you also said creates these super villains, right, yeah , because we have all the people who actually do it. now there are people who like that person really does now it's a wall you have a moment as a person you have a moment as a person I remember when I was in school I was bullied a lot when I was in what I was in grade four or five and These kids were relentless, I mean every recess, they believed it and they just came together as a group and just came after me about anything, man, they were just like you older kids, they got a fat butt, they got like wide feet, I have what I'm sure stayed with me put as a cover until Sinbad became a legend wait Sinbad freed me because before that I was like I was condemned in this world and just like these kids and you know, kids They don't need anything, that's the thing with kids, they don't need anything and these kids came at me and it was relentless and I'll never forget that day.

When I decided I said: you know what I'm going to be their enemy. I will dedicate every moment of my day tomy life to destroy them. It's okay and I'll stay here. That's what happens too, but that's it. What happens to any person when you come towards them? The animal in us comes out. We are in a corner and we are doing well. I guess that's it now, but if you give people the option to join you, if you give people the option to join you. so you exist in a space where it's like, okay, okay, hey, isn't that cool, and look, there's always going to be people who are going to be

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anyway, but I think a lot of people are willing to say that I was wrong, that I wasn't trying to do that. in my bed or now I get it and I think we should live in a world where we give people a chance to get back in and since you're important I definitely always said a lot of people say they don't agree with me being completely I agree with that, yeah, I also think it's ridiculous to judge people based on Oh, things you know, I say it like old things, they say it like Muhammad Ali said it, a person who thinks the same way at 50 than at 30, 20 years ago. his life is right, so how can you make money based on what they say? 20 years.

Here is my biggest problem. My biggest problem is not that we judge people by what they said or did a long time ago. I have two problems, one I find. It's interesting that we live in a culture where people will judge random civilians for what they did in the past more than they will judge politicians. My tweets have never affected your home. My tweets have never affected their schools but people treat it like that while politicians just say well I changed and evolved my views evolved and people like it yeah but the person has changed now it's like Yes, but those things really affected you or you, and the second part is to your point, I think we always forget that. when we judge people by what they said in the past that they were part of a society, I see this happen all the time with comedians, people say: I can't believe this comedian was telling these jokes, look at these clips from 1985 , look what this is. the comedian said look, so you're 85 and you say no, but you realize that there is an audience there, you realize that we are comedians, we exist in society, people laugh with us on our shows, we are a snapshot of the time. but the things that Chris Rock says today are happening today when he talks about mass shootings it's because they're happening right now when you go back in time he's talking about what was happening back then Billy Dee Williams is talking about what was happening back then Eddie Murphy apologized for something right and I said I wouldn't say that now, but of course not, no, there's no comedian who's going to say something they said 20 years ago if society has changed since 20, especially if you're talking about society. , some comedians have benign jokes about the world, what's up with escalators?

Have you ever noticed how that is, it's different, but if you're talking about politics and if you're talking about the world that is constantly and always changing and evolving, then my problem is that we often want to blame individuals because we don't want to blame ourselves. ourselves as a society, yes, we do not want to admit that we were all part of that culture, you will do it as if a comedian with his tweets had a home phobia. and that's what was blocking gays all over America. I think if you look deeper you'll find that everyone was a part of everyone opposing gay marriage.

Everyone didn't think homosexuals should exist. Many people thought that homosexuals did. problems in their heads and now, when societies move forward, people now want to look back and then point at a person, like they taught you that on your own, they thought of it on their own mmm and I think a lot of times we're afraid. as a society or we don't want to admit the truth in society that we exist as a

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culture and that is the beauty that we are supposed to move forward, we are supposed to move forward from its past, but we do it constantly because Barack Obama was against the gay marriage, right?

I mean what politician didn't think about it and now all the politicians and then there are still politicians, you are against gay marriage, but most of society says no, we made a mistake and we are moving everywhere against the legalization of marijuana was exactly criminalized look how many members of the black community were saying no, we need this three strikes rule, we need a war on drugs, we have to emerge and now people look back, you can only work with the information that you have when you have that information and many times in society we learn, we change, we evolve, what I don't like is isolating people and saying that you are the problem, you were just the problem, it's like no, clearly you were part of a world that I thought this was acceptable because there's a reason the tweets didn't blow up back then, people were like, yeah, whatever, now what's up with Matt Lauer, what are your thoughts and what's going on with he?

No, Jesus, I don't know because something new comes out. Each week, what specifically are you talking about? It has metal, there is something new, so I don't want to go on record saying something that you like, it's all in the ones that I just say, you know, I don't think and you like what. Do you talk about what happened? I don't know what particular thing you're talking about right now. Well, now I think she was a producer who came forward and yes, she had a relationship with him, but she told him no to anal sex and then it still happened and then he retaliated against her.

This is the first time she's actually given him a full statement about, you know, this is just ridiculous now and I'm going to defend myself and so on. So what did you think? The whole story is that they slept together. Okay, he asked to have anal sex with her. AHA. She said no. We met several times after that, right, and I think this is the constant conversation that we need to talk about in society and you know, what's crazy to me is that we've had a forum, we don't have guidelines, we don't have big discussions about it. consent, okay, let's be honest, consent is something that's been stolen from a lot of people in their lives, right, America, fundamentally, you know, I remember a beautiful quote that someone told me, where they're like America was built about a world without consent.

Black bodies were taken without their consent women's bodies were taken without their consent and this has happened all over the world consent has always been growing and evolving and I understand why some people would say oh but then she slept with him and what he is like, yes, man, if you understand the human being. mind and if you know that we are a person who does something bad to you has an interesting control over you, sometimes it takes away some of your power. I remember laughing with Imran, laughing with my bullies at school, you know, I remember sometimes I liked hanging out with them.

Doesn't mean they weren't harassing me. I remember guys in the neighborhood wanting to rob you on the corner, it's like a normal thing, they just rob you, you just explode, hey, what's going on? You have it and then you take it off. but some days you were hanging out with them because sometimes you felt like maybe and I don't know what it is psychologically. I'm not a psychologist but I know that sometimes you like that maybe I can win them over, maybe it's in my head maybe and sometimes you feel like they're your thoughts that's what you like maybe maybe it's me me maybe maybe this it's just the world maybe this is how it is to get to where some people are oh but then the person says "someone can do something wrong" to you people stay in abusive relationships apparently it's like why do you stay with him? well, people stay in a beautiful ation with their parents all the time, you know, and you would say, why do you still love your parents?, yes, but then my mom's man's life our minds the world is really complicated I don't think that should stop someone from saying hey I said no and I don't care if there's a boyfriend or a husband I said no and he didn't listen mm-hmm there was a time when marital rape wasn't the right thing to do, yeah no , like you can't rape your wife, she is your wife in Psychology, yes, but because she is your wife, right?

She still has the right to say no and I think that's what a lot of people are struggling with in this, but I don't understand why you would go back, why you would just like it, why why would we do anything in this world. The moment people go back to the people who hurt them, they stay with the people who hurt them and I think we need to stop existing in a world where we blame the victims in those situations and start looking at the situations that have hurt them. hurt. created or the situations that have allowed them to become victims, how can we even begin to have all of these conversations, even as everything from cancer culture to society

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Honestly, I don't know, I don't know if you'll let you because we're It's all up to you, individual, cheese, yes, but we need it. Honestly, I think we should like it. Consent is one of the most important. My mission in life now is to try to find a way to sit down and write some kind. manifesto or something that people don't know what the rules are and no one wants to talk about this, no one else, to be honest, people like what the rules are and by all means we will all exist in the world where it is. "Okay, rape was rape and everyone there was big stuff, but then as the I movement grew, I started learning from women and I thought, wait, that's part of it.

I didn't know I didn't do it." , But I did it". I don't know, I didn't know what rape culture was, you know what rape is, yeah, exactly, I think a lot of people are learning, men and women. I actually learned where they were like, oh, I didn't actually think of it that way. I thought I was a willing participant and I thought that was the rule and that's how it was supposed to be and I think it would be great if we somehow sat down and had a conversation while people said, "Hey, could you write a list of rules how people would approach situations how they would resolve situations because I remember asking as women in my office one day I said, hey, you can ask, you can ask an honest question, like we went, we did it, there's sexual harassment training, right, everyone. they go through that. and there were some things where I thought you don't allow approaching someone at work and this and this and then I thought, but some people are married at the office I thought, hey, when you have to approach yourself with like what. was that and they will be like all those romantics in those flirts and he would leave things that my dear has not fallen that you cannot rape your wife no no but then but then they would leave it is not However, since that is not consent, the person he didn't say not to come forward to get married, so what I'm saying is a person who isn't, so I would ask and then the interesting answer was that a lot of the women would go if any other man had done it.

Having done that would have been creepy, but I liked him and I thought it was cute that he left things on my desk every day and I said, but now you realize as a boss, if I saw that I would have to close that. because a guy can't just leave stuff on your desk every day, that could be sexual harassment and they're like damn, I never thought, yeah, you don't realize how confusing it is, it's very IT, it's wrong or it's wrong. It can't be wrong if I like you, but it's wrong if I like you, no, and that's exactly consensual, I mean, thank you, that's life, right?

Yes, right? If I come and hug you like yours friend Charlemagne. I hug you, a hug is not wrong, but if some random person on the street comes and grabs you and hugs you, you say: don't you know me? It's wrong because of how you feel about the person and that's part of the conflict, that's what makes consent complicated, that happens all the time, yeah, because of who we are, what I don't love you, you have no rights to my body just because you know me that way or whatever come to me As a human being, greet me if you ask me, can you give me a hug?

I can say yes or no I don't owe you a hug either because you watch my show I'll choose to give you a hug or I'll say no thank you but what I'm saying is that consent is directly related to whether the person with the ring has ever made you feel uncomfortable. with a woman at work, no, never at work, no, I'm very lucky, never. ever at work ask what the hell yes I say yes mm-hmm when I hug you I noticed you have an erection at that moment what I'm asking what's wrong well you see your narcissism has made you believe that I don't If you don't come with an erection , you think I might have had a boner because I was dating my wife and then he says, Oh, Sharla should let me come say hi and then you think this boner is for you now that I don't I don't know what's going on with the blood in my body Charlamagne , how dare you?

I don't know, no we can't, I really think we can, we just have to find the space and we'll find a way to do it. It's my mission, I promise you, it has to be the right time to write, please listen, I've tried, I tried four or five years ago, to have these same conversationscorrectly, but sometimes people can say: Is Charlemagne the right person to have them? at the time I think it has to be a conversation led by women and then men participated but no, I was having a conversation based on things that I've been, oh I get it, but I'm just saying that if you're situated on an instrument, listen instead of trying to lead the conversation to hear what women have to say, but I was acknowledging that I did that, they had it, they said I raped my wife because I read an article in Teen Vogue on the team vote, the article was drunk sex ring , right, I was talking about the first time my wife and I had sex. each other the same I guess it's the same thing what you're saying yes we were drunk but clickbait is dangerous I remember it happened to you people choose to take one thing I mean it's the same thing they do Mark Ronson I'm sapiosexual he never said that I'm sapiosexual, a lot of people are like I'm on the TV show, someone is that sapiosexual, hey, mark, would you be sure?

They are people who say that they are only attracted to people's intelligence, not by gender or appearance or anything, it's a thing that people say. there like Tinder profiles, it's trash anyway, so what I'm saying is that clickbait is dangerous because it eliminates nuance. I think what you were talking about is an interesting conversation, but a lot of times you're not the most delicate when you talk about certain topics. trouble and I understand why you get in trouble a lot of the time, but I understand the conversation you were trying to have and it's difficult, we don't talk enough about how to relate to each other around alcoholic people. just say because there is a woman if she went the next day she would have said oh my god I didn't even mean to do that?

I was so drunk. Did we have sex well? If she didn't like you, she and she didn't. I want to do it in retrospect the next day and I had no idea what happened, she could say well, it's, it's, it's, I mean, I promise you now it's a really complicated conversation again that we're not having properly because think about how how much we worked on the messages about drinking and driving, yes, we tried hard and they told us to watch, drink and drive, you can't drink and drive, if you've been drinking, throw away those keys, okay, and it became this message and this campaign , so people have it in their heads and there will always be people who drink and drive, but now it's like even your friends are saying: are you drinking? man come on man come on take an uber what are you doing? and and and I think that message became solid and it became clear that drinking and driving don't mix, you shouldn't do it and then people were like, is that a drink?

Is it for drinking? People like me, drinking and driving don't mix, don't even have a drink. opportunity and I've witnessed the change in my life where when it started we were like yeah I'm fine now being like you know what I think I'm going to drink tonight mm-hmm let me just let me take an uber I'm not even going to take my car I think I'm going to drink more easily I can call a car exactly and see what we have achieved in society now we think about the future and I think we have not reached that place when When it comes to sex and alcohol, we hardly think before saying: "Okay, hey, I'm going to drink tonight," so I need to limit whether or not I can have sex, like how do we get over what we've had?

I didn't think about it, so what you have are groups of people hanging out together in clubs. I don't know your level of sobriety, you don't know mine, some of my friends don't know when I'm drunk, they really don't. They're just like Trevor, you drink like a man, I can't believe what I'm going to call you, hit me harder than I thought cause usually if I get drunk I pass out like I fall asleep, oh right I just pass out and I go and I wake up in the morning with the best sleep I've ever had and I have no idea and people say, "Oh my God, you were so funny last night, but I usually think that with me and my friends, when we go out, it's always us." we go together, we leave together and we make sure we get home and there's always someone, you know that person, that's the key person we are with, it's okay, we're not going to drink too much and when I was younger I was a lot more like drink, drink, drink. drinking drinking now it's like one or two drinks max and that's it yeah Malcolm Gladwell talking to strangers no he has a great chapter on the whole Brock Turner situation which is very interesting it's pretty much along the lines what you are discussing. but we have to have these conversations because and the problem is that everything is tied to everything else, so what we do while we talk about alcohol and sex we also have to talk about consent while we talk. about consent we also have to talk about toxic masculinity and the way men view themselves in relationship with a woman and a lot of times that's why men do what they do, you know, men don't take well. rejection because it's somehow tied to that, their idea of ​​how manly they are, you know, and if you think about it, this was the message that we received as men who grew up from absolutely all the Spears, by the way, not just from those who are there.

I remember growing up with other things, listen to those lyrics. Today people, hey, if at first you don't succeed, try again, try again, what would you do to reach me? What would you say to get your way? Hmm, would you give up or try again if I hesitate to let you in? You have to do it. far back you can go: how many drinks does it take for you to get me? I blamed it on the alcohol, but I mean, and what we don't realize is that we also have to say, oh man, how are they programming us?

What are we? What have we thought is acceptable? How do we think that is acceptable and how do we change those things? It's time and that's what I mean, someone needs to write an R&B song where it's like, you know what I mean, like a girl, we're drunk. leaving the club let's just sleep tomorrow we'll be sober then we'll see if we have sex that's what we do people need to write new songs like Miguel, y'all that's a challenge I sent you guys write songs with consent write songs where it's very clear Yeah, and then I take out the real condoms and ask you: are you sure?

You say yes, that's what we need because if you think for a long time, we are informed of what happens when you are in the club the songs tell you what to do it will be so stupid you said it you know what I mean about four or five years ago I wanted do a special on rape culture just talking to these young people, especially these young men on college campuses were having the same conversation, but once I was labeled a rapist, I didn't like that you had that emotional intelligence. Charlamagne, these young women were all women and it was on Long Island and they were all there in high school. students, and there were maybe like 150 women and they were all talking about the experiences they had had with this, it was quite a meeting at City Hall and hearing how, as 13, 14, 15 girls, certain things that happen to the and how they don't even feel like they're in their own class, that's what a girl said every day she gets off the bus and this boy who was her neighbor runs up and grabs her butt and the girls laugh at her and say, ah, at her he loves it.

She loves it and how they don't even support each other and the girls really like to start crying talking about experiences they've had because they don't have the opportunity or a place where they can vent or feel like it. That's a whole generation to hear about them and feel like they can be heard, but I don't know if that conversation would have been as good if the cameras were rolling. I don't think so either if there were guys in the room and I feel like it's something they need to hear so you can see the real life people who are affected and how these young girls that you know, one girl was talking about how she lived with her family and her sister's boyfriend actually assaulted her and she ended up getting pregnant and having a baby and now the family doesn't talk to her and a lot of times that's the story, it's someone in the family, it's someone that everyone knows well and they all These are things that people need to hear, but I think sometimes it's very difficult. until people reach a space where they can express themselves without you knowing.

I think that's what I need, to just create more of those spaces exactly what you're saying because I'm fine doing it in a space but no one has to see. yes yes it has to be closed or competition because that way you are actually teaching and people learn, no one will be judged and crucified, we are all in the room together, that helps women, I think they support each other when they see each other things that happen and be more sensitive to that and know that this is happening to this person. I saw how she's okay, yeah, I think how I see things, yeah, I just think we need to do everything we need to do more of that in more spaces and I think people take for granted that you can start with us in a small level many times people say like you know, you will say how we do this, he will know that the kids just do it, we are too.

I have groups of friends, that's right, I started doing something with my friends with theirs, like real conversations, there are times where we sit as men and just say, there are five of us sitting together, we just talk about consent, hey, let's talk about how we could be better with each other and a lot of times you know I remember when we first started saying these things there was always that hesitation you know there would be someone to me like oh that's good maybe what we were You talk like no, no, no, it's not, even though it's not, and even if it was, there's nothing wrong with that.

What we are talking about now is as men among us. What can we do better? How can we change our way of thinking? What a waste. As friends, how do we navigate these issues? Because we have groups or across society and I think we take for granted the power of that, just sharing that vulnerability in that moment now and it won't end up on Snapchat, that's the great story that they have. We'll share it, but just being honest and sharing it with someone else, I think it starts with us, I mean, if people see you doing the work, it's like you're personally trying to be a better person with therapy, whether you're just looking for something. feeling of healing I think they received the message well, I hope so.

I think it contributes, yes, I think the order, but just sharing it helps. I remember one time like the story about consent. This is like I was on a date with a woman and we had a great night and things were looking good and she was like let's go back to your house and I was like oh okay let's go back to my house and let's go back to my house and then when We returned to my house, she said oh oh. Man, I don't know if she should be here. I've had too much to drink and I thought, oh, I thought, oh, you should be happy I said this and thank you.

I call and questions like wait, what are you doing? and she said no no I say I want to leave and I said no no no no I don't listen here what you said there I have to drink and I'm not even trying to be a about it I'm not trying to punish you anything like that you just said you don't think I should be, you've drank a lot and I didn't know how much you had to drink, I did, I met you, prude like the middle drinks vibes, so let me get you a car. there's another day we can always meet another day and that's the most important thing I've learned in life about a lot of consensual sex and all these things is that what helps a lot is getting to know people before having sex. they just like to spend a lot of time getting to know them like it's not going away you don't have to have sex on the first date just take your time getting to know them equals a million rap records saying the opposite that's true Again, that's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying again, musicians can help with a lot of these messages that we need, like we need new songs to come out and relax everything.

It's so much fun if friends had a way to have it. something oh she said I'll see you next week oh yeah it's so much fun we gotta get back with everyone and be like me let's remix songs and create cool messages that reach everyone so the little kids out there you know I'm NOT a loser because I didn't have sex with this girl on the first date, anyway, that's how it should be and I'm living a big Janet Jackson, let's wait a while, wait a while. Let's wait a little. Okay, wise words from my man Trevor Noah.

Issues. I love talking to you, but why are you here? I was going to promote. I thought I'd come and hang out. There are only two things. Only two things I would do. I love you and everyone who listens to the show should know it. I'm doing two of the biggest shows of my life at Madison Square Garden. Hey, no, the garden guard got the garden. November, the garden. The garden. November 8th. Thank you so much. The garden. First. Maybe, maybe the last time, I don't know, it's just been a dream of mine and that will be huge for me.

November November 8th, okay, and then December 6th. I'm in Los Angeles doing the basics. Go then,the Staples Center. I'll be there, lifelong dream, both stadiums, both amazing cities, two cities that loved me before anyone knew who I was, people would come out and see my shows, so if you're in Los Angeles, if you're in New York, laugh, we are. having a good time no, I don't want to disappoint people now, but I don't like a lot of politics, I just try to take a break from that in my shows, funny man, I talk about other things that there are more. to life than just politics and that's what stand-up is about so it's a blessing and I enjoy it I love it I love it I live in politics so I love it but my stand-up is timeless so I'm doing well I don't It doesn't matter what you have, you know how many people come.

To me, this is like the best compliment. Having a lot of people come up to me and say, "You know Trevor. I'm a Republican and I don't like your political views, but I like your comic." You're a funny guy, you're a funny guy sometimes, when you talk about Trump I wish I could punch you in the mouth, but when you do comedy I won't, you've got me on the floor, man, you do a great job. I'm not gonna lie, you could pass for a white guy with that guy counter when I make reservations, that's the voice I use, like when it was the 85 South show here, they said no, the British one, oh you, the British one from the south.

Africa, I'm like you included two countries in one, but I won't accept it. That's what someone told me the other day. I was at the Dominican Republic Day Parade, which was like my favorite moment that the Dominican buri happened. I don't know so I'm trying to get home walking through New York now I mean like I crossed the street but now I'm on it so I have to walk down with it and then turn around so now I'm walking with people and then one guy was a me, Trevor Noah, I told you to do it with a Dominican guy, yeah, okay, you know, I'll take it, my friend, hey, give me the website to buy tickets for Trevor Noah, calm down everything, Trevor Noah, calm down if you write Trevor Noah and write.

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