The *REAL* Problems With Electric Cars... An Honest Discussion in a KIA E-Niro [VLOG / WAFFLE]
hello everybody I'm at the end of about four weeks of nearly continuous filming and today's video is going to be a bit of a mixture of both a review and a rant you see I'm spending all of this week with Kia's new e
Niroit's very likely that you may not have heard of the e
Nirohowever please do believe me when I tell you that this is one of the most important
carson the market right now this car is right up there with the Tesla Model 3 in terms of being one of the
carsthat is going to
really popularize the
electriccar this is designed to be one of the
carsthat you can buy owned and run without the compromise often associated with
electricvehicle that I drove was the sole evie now that was an experiment as much as anything else it was interesting to have and to drive and it did
really get me into the whole evie world however he had some fairly fatal flaws the car as a whole was not one that I was particularly in love with and it had a crippling ly short range of just over a hundred
real-world miles this is Kia's second effort
electriccar and my life they have
really thrown themselves in the deep end this is now packin a 64 kilowatt hour battery giving this car the ability to cover over 250
realmiles between charges now the simple way that Keir have achieved this increasing range of course is with a bigger battery pack however the price of this car is still fairly reasonable you can pick up a car exactly like this...
one for around 33,000 pounds whilst that may not be a cheap car in the eyes of many for an
really is and it means that if you have a sort of person that could afford a golf you could now afford one of these as promised today I'm gonna take a look not only at this car but also the state of v's in general because as a fervent petrol head but also someone that appreciates new technology I think there's an awful lot of misinformation on both sides and I
really want to try and do my best to counter some of the things that I keep hearing one of the big
problemsthat manufacturers had in recent times was the range of their
carsindeed whenever you talk to someone and they find out that you're driving an
electriccar the first question that they asked is always what's the range it's a very odd question because I can't
really remember that being some of the people asked me when I had combustion engine vehicles and the truth of the matter is that I've had a few petrol engine
carsthat would struggle to match the range of this thing on a full charge I've not actually yet had this car on a full charge and that's something that I will get into soon but I have done just over 200 miles in one stint with it and I'm now currently driving up in Scotland where I drove this car from basically Southern Suffolk I did 450 miles in one day in this car so it is very much achievable now it wasn't the easiest task and of course it...
wasn't as simple as doing in a combustion engined car and it involved a little bit of faff trying to find charging points but I did a plan ahead and for the most part things went fairly smoothly charging v's is the first point that I wanted to address there are a lot of people that are still in the old fashioned combustion engine mindset when it comes to charging
carsthey see charging
carsas an activity in of itself and yes if you're going to do a large journey like the one that I did you are almost certainly going to have to plan a stop as part of that journey the
reality though I think is that after you've covered about 250 miles in one of these you do want to stop for a little bit getting to 80 percent takes you about an hour from a 50 kilowatt charger and that will deliver you over about 210 miles worth of
real-world range faster charges do exist and I believe this car is capable of handling anything up to about a hundred kilowatt which will give more or less the same charge and about half the time getting from 80 to a hundred percent takes a little bit longer due to the nature of battery packs this isn't the best car in the world to do big miles and no yet more on two reasons for that in a little while however it can certainly be done the
reality for most I think that is that in day to day usage you simply try and incorporate charging into whatever it is that you're doing so if you're going to go to the office the idea is that there will be...
charging points there when you go home if you have the luxury of a driveway you'll be able to charge your car there when you go to the shops you'll park somewhere where there is a charging point and you'll charge your car there so unlike the kind of fossil fuel mentality where you sort of drain the car then fill it all the way up and drain it and so on you're just kind of nibbling as well you're just grazing you're just giving the car ten minutes here half an hour there for Department is here five minutes there and this morning for doing this review I wanted to give the car a bit of a zap so I sat in the car part for 15 minutes gave the car a charge and that gave me a good 40 miles worth of range which is what I need to do the talking bit today as seems traditional with many
carsthis car is actually quite a good performer for its stats the engine officially puts out about 200 horsepower I see a lot of people talking about EVs as having instant torque and is technically true however anyone that's trying to get off the line with one of these things will know that the first sort of a couple of seconds then everybody sort of shoot away they pick up and then they
really go and when this thing is it sort of 50 or 60 mile an hour like it currently is you put your foot down and you're rewarded with what quite healthy acceleration perhaps part of it is a placebo effect because there is no engine sound no gearbox whine nothing of the sort to...
accompany your increasing speed just this kind of weird space-age sensation the car is not silent people talk about
carslike that make no noise at all this does make a noise it's a weird jet engine II kind of sound it's very odd indeed but it isn't silent that range issue I think is something that manufactures kind of got a bit screwed over with and it wasn't their fault at all so many of the previous generations of these
carshad claims made for them that were just entirely un
realistic the previous Kia evie was one of those they said on their website that it would do something like a hundred and eighty miles but the car itself never claimed it had any more than about a hundred and ten in the tank the reason for that is the fact that the old NEDC driving cycle was just totally unsuited to testing
realistic manner and manufacturers didn't have a choice about the test cycle they all got subjected to the same test so isn't their fault that that test unfortunately produced un
realistic results and one of the reasons it produces un
realistic result is because of the way that v's work they're a little bit different to regular combustion engine vehicles most traditional combustion vehicles will give you their best efficiency when they're on the motorway cruising at 60 mile an hour or so however in EVs they're actually at their best in town where a fossil fuel vehicle will be producing its worst figures indeed my own...
Mercedes granted as a big old dinosaur of a thing will get nearly 30 to the gallon when you're on the motorway but we'll sort of struggle for 15 when you're in town this apparently if you're just driving around a city will get nearly 400 miles out of a charge so if you are living in an urban environment that is another reason to have one of these personally it's hybrid vehicles that I
really don't quite understand because you're not
really benefiting from the full evie experience with most of them having a fairly limited range and you are a knackering proceedings by carrying around a huge great big combustion engine Ana a load of fuel when that space could have been taken up by more batteries and so on the Nero can be purchased in hybrid form but for me it was only ever the
electricone that interested driving along these kind of tight twisty roads it's actually quite a bit of fun however I can say that when you start to press on it all those start to fall apart a little bit and now that's probably me being a little bit harsh on the car because it actually performs very well indeed however it's got tires designed for economy not performance on it and it's still a reasonably tall reasonably large vehicle one of the issues I have with this car is that compared to many other cares of its price point that I've driven it is missing a few rather nice features indeed if you buy a Kia Optima or something like that which costs the same...
you get extra things like memory seats or cooled seats just generally nice appealing interior obviously Kia are doing their absolute best to try and make this still feel like an upmarket product and generally I say they are succeeding it's gonna be a little while before EVs can compete on a sort of purchase price level with regular combustion vehicles but if you are looking at owning a vehicle over a long time period and you know putting a lot of miles on it then they do make some financial sense if you can charge them reasonably and this is my biggest current issue and this I think is the
realstopping point this is the crux of the video this is the
realproblem behind EVs I think people on the whole are fairly predictable the vast majority of them are not going to buy TVs for any sort of pretension of saving the planet most people are going to buy them to save money whether it's on the congestion charge in central London whether it's on your fuel bill your road fund license whatever people will buy these because they think they are cheaper that is why
carslike this one are so important yeah the Tesla Model S is great and fantastic and regardless of what I think about the Tesla company its products and the things they have done have been genuinely world-changing and I think they've been a
really important company in terms of shaking up the status quo now however we are facing a future where you can purchase your Eevee from any number of different...
manufacturers indeed at the minute off the top of my head I can think of Jaguar Porsche Aldi all premium brands that all quite happily sell you their
electricfuture so you're no longer stuck with just one or two options and that is of course going to make adoption that much easier a lot of questions about how do you serve as a car where do you take it what do you do that well if you're buying it from a manufacturer you've been buying from for the last 20 years easy no problem whatsoever however charging prices that's what we're talking about if you're watching this video and you have not yet to experience charging an Eevee let me try and explain in short how it goes in the UK we currently have a disparate selection of different charging networks indeed I would say there are at least a dozen different services that have points around the UK to charge your car you'll almost always need to tap a card or your phone or something like that at the charging point in order to activate it now this may be as simple as tapping a contactless bank card as much as you would if you were going to go on the London Underground in other cases you may need to have subscribed to a service provided by a company say like Pola with Evie's being a very 21st century thing the vast majority these companies have an app of some sort and you could often use that in conjunction with their charging points sadly these charging points are often not free there...
isn't inherently a problem I don't expect there to be a constant free lunch for those people that have invested in the
electriccar however the discrepancy in prices between charging points is currently what is absolutely completely unacceptable in this vehicle I have so far covered in excess of 700 and for that I have paid eight pounds there was only one charging point which I used which charged and all of the others I've used so far have been free however that is not the case everywhere
electricity prices are often charged in kilowatt hours and if you imagine that this car has a capacity of 64 kill all hours for about 250 miles that will allow you to do the maths and work out how many miles you're getting per pound and that means you can then start to draw meaningful comparisons with fossil fuel vehicles the polar charging point that I used last cost me around about 8 pounds and by my math so I reckon that I was spending only about a third as what I would have been with a reasonably economical petrol or diesel vehicle doing about 45 miles to the gallon foot five miles to the gallon is a very nice easy sum to do because that means that for every sort of one liter of fuel you are doing about 10 miles there is a network in the UK called eco tricity they are the people that have the majority of the charging points at motorway service stations they are an incredibly important place for
electriccar users if you're going to do any form of long journey they are...
going to be the convenient easy to access point sadly they currently charge 39 pence per kilowatt hour for their
electricity by my maths that means that you are in fact spending exactly the same as if you're running said hypothetical petrol or diesel vehicle bearing in mind that I bought my previous Alfa Romeo 147 for some 2,000 pounds if you were stuck with using points that charge that much it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to go for an
electriccar because you are simply adding inconvenience to your journey you are not saving anything nothing at all and I'm not gonna get into the whole debate about you know how good
really are for the planet or any of that sort of stuff or am I going to get into the debate about way of lectricity comes from my own
electricity at home is sourced entirely from renewable so I have an
electriccar parked in my driveway I knew that for the most part I could power in a relatively green way everybody's individual circumstances are of course going to be different but I personally find it inexcusable the companies like eco tricity will charge so much and this is what's going to stop people going in for
carspeople that think they're gonna be able to get free
electricity only to find out the charge in that car just cost them 30 quid or you'd sit there and go why what's what's the point it's as rubbish that's all for and if you did the math you'd
realize that you never ever...
gonna justify having bought that
electriccar it just makes no sense whatsoever I mean imagine if you will I know that the petrol at the motorway services is always more expensive than just sort of stopping off somewhere but imagine that stopping up a motorway services and finally I'm a petrol was five quid a liter that is the equivalent of the Eco tricity point they are so vastly much more expensive than everywhere else I mean in fairness I have encountered a couple of different charging points which said they were going to be similar prizes to the Eco Tristian actually turned out to be free egotist II apparently also had a lot of
problemswithin Network recently and things have not been working as they should and that doesn't help well it's also an issue is the fact that many towns villages and so on where they have an
electriccar charging point they have only one so if you turn up to try and charge your car and if you have been sort of you know not leaving yourself a lot of room and you get somewhere and suddenly are there's a car parked up there and it's going to be there for an indeterminate amount of time you're not going to want to wait around for an hour or so before that other person is happy with their charge another source of confusion is the fact that we currently have at least about four different standards for sockets that will charge
carsyou've got the Tesla supercharger socket you've got CCS you've got shadow mo you've...
got a type two or all sorts of different sockets it just it's very confusing for the average ordinary punter I'm pretty sure that manufacturers are starting to get together and starting to work things out but it just seems like an added level of confusion that isn't needed the car itself is great the
electriccar is brilliant and like I am the most dedicated fervent petrol head that there is I've got a video coming out the other day on a TVR cerbera the most evil car you can possibly imagine if you love to plan it but it's a fantastic thing and I absolutely love it however when it comes to your ordinary boring run-of-the-mill
carsyeah let's make them
electriclet's do it as soon as we can because maybe if we start turning all these sort of 1.6 liter Diesel's into
carsit'll take the focus off a sports
carsfor a little bit take the take the heat off as it were and you know
honestly there's there's so much out there at the minute about
carsyou know people trying to poopoo them and then you've got stuff the other way rounding and whining about fossil fuel
carsthere is a happy medium to be had this car is still I think an early or relatively early
electricI guess I know
carshave been around since the beginning of the car but in terms of the modern era this genuinely is a car you can just get in use it and drive it there's still so many
really sad thing...
about v's is that the one place that they're needed most desperately which is in the city as the one place where they're actually the hardest own because most of us country folk well we have our own driveway so we have somewhere that we can easily and reliably charge a vehicle overnight every night and that means that you know for me 250 miles of range that that would cover nearly any journey that I can conceivably want to make on any sort of regular basis that would get me to Silverstone and back on a charge happily no problem at all wonderful but when you're living in town you can't see drag a cable across the path is again a trip but then you get sued the charging points are all over the place but again prices all over the shop BP have now taken over one of the large charge in companies in the UK and so hopefully that means that every time you see a petrol station you'll also have a charging point there however I can't
really see it being in bp's interest to make the
electricity super cheap and affordable so that's kind of a problem up here in Scotland they seem to have got their act together a bit more because all of the charge plays Scotland charging points of which there are a lot are free so I paying 20 pounds to get my charge placed Scotland card and I can use a huge selection of charging points up here for nothing and that's
really good the technology is coming if you're sat there at home and you think...
yeah I would have one of these
carsbut alright I don't know I think it's gonna be difficult you know what try one get one go to your local PD let's see if you can get one of these for a week although that might be hard because I'm believe it or not this car is so popular and so in demand you have to wait until next year to get one here sold out their entire allocation of these
carsfor 2019 a little while ago this is a ridiculously popular car and I can completely completely understand why something else I will tell you that I keep hearing and this is a thing that just has this rumor this this BS has to die as the whole wall what happens to batteries what do you do you know I'll wipe them till they break or how expensive is it to replace a battery pack well look the batteries need to be cared for the car needs to be used on a semi-regular basis that's probably a little bit more important than a fossil fuel car if you were
really gonna be leaving your car on a regular basis laid up for like three months probably an
electriccar is not for you however let's be
honesthow many petrol engine
carsare there out there that they get to ten fifteen years old and there's some big failure with their engine and it's
really expensive to fix and ninety-two m3 they've got a
really known problem with their rod bearings well if that breaks which they can do it like 70,000 miles that whole engine is is done and BMW 1 by 25 grand for a new...
engine so yes if something goes completely badly wrong and the battery back some of these
carsneeds replacing it'll be expensive but combustion engines are not perfect either they can fail they can break if they have probably looked after they'll go a long time same thing for these battery packs if they are properly looked after there will go a long time and nearly all of the manufacturers of EVs at present will have a separate and often quite long warranty on the battery pack 2 which means you can buy one of these it's still a little bit older and you're still covered in case that sort of thing goes wrong manufacturers are doing what they can to make these things more appealing and
honestly the last gear that I had was a 1.4 turbo petrol and as a thing to drive from an Indian perspective this is way better way nicer this is a good car it's flawed it's not perfect but the last one was was not a good car this one is a good car that just happens to be
electricevery single day owning an
electriccar gets a little bit easier and owning a fossil fuel one is gonna get a little bit harder and so if this is an ordinary car this is an ordinary basic boring car but it's great it's lovely perfectly happy driving around in it it's got sort of all I need I love petrol
carsI absolutely have them I hope they don't go away during my lifetime but I can't hate this car I
really can't anyway thank you for watching my sort of little bit of a...
rant and a rave I hope you've enjoyed it you want to know more about