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Teen Son Testifies Against Parents who Murdered Baby Dylan | Court TV Archive

Apr 20, 2024
you raise your right hand you swear deeply the testimony you are about to give believe the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you god please take a seat here i need you to tell the jury your name my name is daniel groves danielle and gross you are daniel gross jr, that's right yes, okay, how old are you? I have been on the microphone for 15 years. Ok, how old are you? I'm 15 years old. Okay, and you go to school here in Sahara County. Yeah at Northwest High School, okay, just talk a little if you can, almost like you're yelling at that officer in the back of the

court

room, okay, yeah, okay, your

parents

are Daniel and Jessica, that's right, yeah, okay, can you? not where you live, but who you live with, I live with my aunt and uncle phyllis shirey, okay, and when did that happen that you went to live with your uncles in early April 2019, I think it's okay, it's okay and I was ? that the reason you're going to have to talk kevin move your chair forward but that will help a little bit and just talk really loud some people in the back can hear you was because child services put you there yeah okay and you said it was in April yeah okay we're here today to talk to you about your little brother Dylan, would you tell the jury if you ever saw Dylan with any injuries?
teen son testifies against parents who murdered baby dylan court tv archive
He had something like a swelling on his head, but otherwise. I didn't see any wounds on her body, her head was bruised somehow, she looked bruised, yeah okay when you say it showed up Bruce tell her what you saw as blackened and purple, what you would imagine as a bruise and where it was that in everything. his head around, that's just the top of his head, well, there was a time when he kind of sneaked up on you, yeah, I can't see where he's pointing on his own from here, was there a time when, uh, Baby Dylan wasn't with you anymore? home for a period of a couple of weeks, yeah, okay, and then he didn't come back, he left your house and also explain that, in other words, after you saw these injuries, what happened to the

baby

after What did you see that I saw these injuries? a little bit and they seemed to run out and go down and then that's when he disappeared for about two weeks.
teen son testifies against parents who murdered baby dylan court tv archive

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Did you ask your

parents

about the

baby

's injuries or did they tell you what happened to the baby? gave me an explanation of the injuries yes it's okay who did that was it your mom or your dad my father is okay your mom was there at the time yes my mom was there it's okay what did they tell you about what happened to the baby and in somewhere near the At first, uh, they told me that a dream catcher had gotten stuck on his arm and that he was swinging a small stone up to his head.
teen son testifies against parents who murdered baby dylan court tv archive
I'm not sure if that caused his head to swell. I don't think it was like that. It's okay, you didn't do anything to hurt that baby, right? I didn't do anything to hurt that baby. Okay, do you know who did it? Don't know. It's okay, Daniel, I've talked to you twice before. Is this so, yes, ask. the same questions that I'm asking you now yes, okay, when we talked before and I'm going to ask you here for the jury. Was there a time when you were asked to give urine to either of your parents? Yeah, okay, tell the jury, what you were doing was like a was like a mug, that's how it was, that's not how it was, it wasn't like a standard casual mug that you pulled out of a cabinet in your house and did it.
teen son testifies against parents who murdered baby dylan court tv archive
It was probably about every two months, okay? And who were you giving that to, mainly my father? Well, you know what he did. You saw him do something with it after you gave it to him. I've seen it put like a capped bottle, that's all I've seen and this was before child services took you away. Yeah, I just have a few more questions. Tell the jury when you first realized your mother might be pregnant. It was sometime in November or near early November 2018. Okay, and you remember it because your birthday is around that time. Yes, I remember the event where I confronted my mother.
Okay, what did you tell him? I just asked because I've been noticing it for a while. While she seemed to be bloated like she was when she was pregnant, I asked her about it and she told me that yes, she was pregnant, she is fine, and she believes she was in early November. Yes sir. Do you have any questions? Do you have any questions? What is Scott as Stratton talking about? They are supposed to represent their respective clients. Look, now I'm getting upset. Crystal, you're nodding your head. What's happening? Why what is happening? This is not a double.
It is not. This is not him. dream team are you representing your client I represent my client absolutely I agree I'm telling you I think this is dangerous let's listen to what she has to say good afternoon Daniel um I just have a few questions for you okay okay okay okay and I Excuse me , your voice was so soft and where I was sitting, I apologize, I have to go over this with you again, but I didn't hear much of what you said, so I just want to make sure I have my notes accurately. That's fair enough, yeah, okay, um, the injuries that you described to baby Dylan, I think you said that and correct me if I'm wrong, she saw his head a little swollen and it gets better.
That's right, it was most of his head that looked like a bruise, yeah, okay, and I know you were moving and you're making some movements and I'm sorry, my blue, my view was blocked. Could you point that out again by describing his head? It would be mostly on top of him, like it was his scalp. It wouldn't be his entire face, it would just be his scalp and the top of his scalp was a little bruised and swollen, yes it was around his entire head, around where you would expect hair to be fine and his head was small and correct.
Yeah, it was kind of good and did you see any cuts? Not well. Did you see anything like fresh blood? Not well. Can you tell me again if you think you observed this injury personally? I didn't see the injury. I came home from school one day and was sorry, it was a bad question on my part. I'll ask the question. When did you see the bruising and swelling? I don't know the exact date when it happened. It was at some point. after the dreamcatcher incident I described, okay, so I know you were taken out of the house on April 24th right, yeah, okay, can you tell me obviously it was before that? right, yeah, so do you know if it was around Easter time? year, do you know how many weeks passed before you left the house? it could have been two or three weeks two or three weeks before they took you out of the house on April 24 huh, okay that's right, you saw the bruising and swelling two or three weeks before they took him out of the house on the 24th April, I'm a little bit unsure, I would say more than two or three weeks, I'm a little bit unsure, but that's yeah, so it may have been a little bit earlier than two or three weeks at first you thought it was two or three weeks , but it may not be two or three weeks now, looking back at the dates, I think it could have been longer, but I'm not sure either and then when you saw the bruising and swelling on the baby's head, you said that the Miss Hutchinson I was asking you at some point, after that, you no longer sell baby Dylan at all, is that correct?
And do you remember what it was like when that was in relationship? that they took you out of the house on April 24th no I don't know okay do you know how many days after the bruising and swelling happened it probably would have been at least a week but at the same time I'm not sure? Well, were you at home or did you come home when Patricia? Oh, let's attack, your honor, do you know who Patricia Craft is?, my former caseworker. Yes, okay, do you remember that she came to the house sometime in late March and would come home to come home during the time that she was there I don't remember many of her visits okay, do you remember any of Visits you visited where you were present when she was there at the same time?
Yes, I remember this where she was there? I just don't remember any of the details she talked much about. Can I take something off the table? Perhaps Ms. Scott is looking for a case report indicating that Daniel Jr was present during one of the visits and perhaps she is using. That just to refresh my memory of her, Ben, does that sound good to you? Yes, I think it's plausible, yes, and that's fine. I mean, she's very warm, of course, so she looks good. I don't think she's doing any harm by asking these questions. Let's listen and then. you described a period of time where you were providing, for lack of better words, some urine and putting it in a container for your father, I think you said that's right, right, okay, do you remember it was before the father was born? baby Dylan or after baby Dylan was born?
I was born, there were before and after periods, okay? And do you know what he did with that urine? That is sure. No, it wasn't good. Have you ever been in a facility where you were asked to go to the bathroom with someone and give them urine? one cup is not good um, did you go? Have you ever gone to the bathroom with him in the hospital and he asked you to pee in the cup for him versus him peeing in a cup in the hospital? No, I don't have any permission, have you ever been? Have you ever been to a children's services agency in New Boston? um, yeah, but just one time, just one time, did you ever go to the bathroom with your dad there at that agency and pee in a cup that he was supposed to pee in a cup?
No I didn't, have you ever been? Do you know where the juvenile

court

is on the ground floor, on the second floor of this building? Yes, have you ever been there? No, did you ever come to court with your father in the middle of January? and go to the bathroom and pee in a cup for him, no I didn't. All of the incidences where I did that were in my own home, okay, thank you, I appreciate you saying that, your honor, if I can just have a second, okay, uh, crystal. Did you make it better by pointing out the fact that you only peed in the cup for your dad at home, but he never dragged you to court or the probation department to pee in a cup, so it's really not that bad, anyway general, right?
I don't do better, I understand what she was trying to do, maybe trying to say, "okay, these are the times he was tested, you didn't do it, you weren't with him, you didn't pee in the cup at those times." , but not me". I don't think you do a good job of excluding the possibility that you were using your son's urine well, you definitely did, unless there is some other use for bengathia urine that you can clarify for us, it appears that the urine was used to pass the drug test and since when Patricia Clark testified, you know she went through the long timeline since the baby was born and there were times when Tess came back and Daniel Sr. was clean, let's listen to Daniel again, you lived with your parents, most of your life is that right all my life all your life they took me out April April last year yeah okay do you think your father took care of you? objection, did your father ever hurt you?
Did you ever see your father finish your baby? No, Dylan, thank you.

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