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STUNNING TWIST In The Postle Investigation (With Matt Berkey)

Jun 08, 2021
operating with this. technology not because it is not fantastic, it is simply more so and Ramón is its developer, it was not intended for it to be used in a corporate or business sense. I don't think so, it has become personal in nature and that versatility requires some level of trust with whoever was operating it, so the graphics, an example of that, is obviously each card has an RFID tag and each one is exclusive to the next , the way it works for it to become an actual card is if you register the deck before playing, so what it looks like is a message that appears on the screen and goes through the deck like ASA spades through King of spades and then hearts, clubs, diamonds or hard times is Clubs and you just check, sort and lay down the card, so the way a card could miss the record is if, for example, you have the ace of hearts on the screen and you accidentally skip it and draw the two of hearts and then you just run down the deck the rest of the way now each card will be off by one or if you catch it and don't go back and do it. due diligence could still be wrong for one, etc. or you know if he accidentally touches any other reader, for example, if you have the deck on the table, he will pick one up that way, so there is a lot of human error in the recording process, but it is not that common, the problem with a card that does not register is consistent until you change it or change the deck, so there is no way that the six of diamonds is actually the nine of spades and only on the one hand, in particular, furthermore, the only communication between the table and the booth is from the dealer to the graphics operator, so the way this is triangulated is that the dealer transmits information audibly to the graphics operator, which is usually separate from the actual server. itself, which is what interprets the data and then sends it to the stream, those two entities are usually separate now, as I understand it, they are tones, they run them on the same machine, so the person who enter the graphs also be the person submitting the data. to obs to transmit but that person gets the action anyway so the dealers just say see one check see two folds whatever at no point is anything revealed from the full side of the card if a hand is read wrong no , there's nothing to tell you that, there it is there's nothing in the software to tell you the cards are wrong there's nothing in the game to tell you the cards are wrong unless it's shown, so if I had presented eight nine of Spades then the chart operator at that point would see through the cameras that it is actually eight nine of Spades and be able to correct his entire cards from eight six to eight nine, which never happened and it would just magically change and not just one correct card, as if they might have a fit of doubt if they knew the six. of diamonds was bad and we just didn't know it because we didn't see it at any other time so he changed it to the nine of spades but since both the cards and the suits changed also like the eight of diamonds or the eight of Hearts it becomes the eight of Spades, there is no justifiable reason for this and the reason is also, at least for me, the fact that it happened in real time, because the broadcasts are recorded live and then broadcast on a delayed basis, the commentators are live, so calm it down.
stunning twist in the postle investigation with matt berkey
Tears are seeing things that happened 20-30 minutes ago depending on the stream and what kind of parameters they want to use, so it was changed live, those graphics were changed in the middle of the hand with the cards face down, how did that happen? that? I want to clarify so I want to clarify some things because playing with time gets a little confusing for people, so when we say live and delayed and things like that, it's clear to add a layer, it's important to have a layer of clarity. What's happening is real time, although the data from the card is sent to the server and someone takes that overlay and places it over the video, so think of it as a watermark, those graphics are not recorded on the stream of the video forever.
stunning twist in the postle investigation with matt berkey

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The broadcast is shown to the commentators 30 minutes later where they can now comment in quotes and live about something that happened 30 minutes ago, so this theory is that Mike watched the broadcast and at the beginning of the hand he saw that he had 86 and went out running. in the booth he was like hey hey hey actually he had 8 9 of spades can you change it? That's impossible, but the theory is that I think it's possible that he saw the hand and then when he came into the booth, he talked about it. It was because he came into the booth and talked about that hand and originally you know that one of the things that I think what's important when you're doing research is when you know something is there, there's enough evidence, you don't have to make things up. and we don't have to exaggerate and when something is not evidence against him, we have to say that it is not proven against him in the interest of justice, and one thing is that I saw people like him come in and I knew that the guy was 9 6 or whatever. or something like that I think it was this hand, it could have been different hand there are a lot of hands lately birthday brookie it's a little hard to keep the hallway from getting confused, but the point is that I think enough time had passed for him to have done it.
stunning twist in the postle investigation with matt berkey
I watched it belatedly and then I came in and talked about it. I think that's what people accused him of, maybe there was another group of people who said he came in and told them his hand, but that makes that fair and that's just silly. So I think what you're referring to is that he cooled down in a color/color scenario and apparently went back to the control room, not the commentary booth, but the actual control room, and was kind of arguing the hand with that. Tailor that he is like the producer of the program, so the producer of the program.
stunning twist in the postle investigation with matt berkey
I mean, if what you are saying is true and someone has claimed this, they allow you to enter the control room where the letters are filmed, so that was something they should not be allowed to go back there at all, no, there are so many protocols that are being violated here and that's why I said I'm worried moving forward because you have to add even more layers than poker go and the WSOP, and they are so strict. as possible, but they also have custom software, like what I demonstrated the other day in my video, where if you're using a third-party broadcaster like TriCaster or OBS or whatever to run your delay, then you can run a true -Transmit time to someone else over IPS on the network, you can also do it over multiple GI GFX and the only thing the only layer of security here is a password, so now you really have to trust your operators They will have no incentive to collude with them. overseas and that's really difficult, especially as we start to get into the bigger money streams, you know, there's a lot of things between poker night in America, Live the Black Stones and all these other emerging streams that are to come, we see a lot of 25 50 Also, that's a pretty big incentive to cheat, especially if this guy is doing 300 km, 1 3 to 5 absolutely, but you know, I think that's going to be a major concern going forward.
You also have to wonder if this happened before, in other places, if it happened with other people at Stones like you know it's a conversation that I think I've mentioned a couple of times, but you know there's certainly a possibility that there was another person who was By doing this right, maybe you didn't win as much, maybe you just played. a couple of sessions I want to put in some sessions, it's not that likely, but it's possible and you know, what about other games? What if there is? You know and this is another thing that I think is really important and this is one of the reasons I never played games at home is that if there is a very low probability that you will get cheated at poker, in those cases you get crushed, you they completely crush, if they trick you, you won't like them to put you in a good size.
If you win, you know you're going to get crushed, yes, at least between you and your Evie, so even a small percentage or two percent of getting cheated can take you from being a winning player to breaking even or losing. , you can not. you can't really take that risk and so for players who you know are playing seriously and this might be happening on some streams, then yes, there will be people who were maybe on the fence and may have done it, but now they are I'm not going to do it because this has happened somewhere else.
I'll also say because, you know, I think the two of you that you raised live on Bike and Poker Central I think they both handle things professionally. I've never seen anything like it. hinted at trouble anywhere, I think especially at poker headquarters, you know, they're very high budget operations, oh yeah, to be clear, I'd say on a poker night in America, oh, do you think this cabin on a poker night in America, I'm saying? I know who uses the software that the Stones use and it only has vulnerabilities because it would be a very versatile poker powerhouse, it's not a problem, they have their own custom software, so when you create custom software you take a lot of these. layers so you are sure you can create them as an additional program.
I guess that splits it up and allows you to control things separately, that's what it's doing or yeah, then the customs were already done, so in today's software it obviously was. It's not designed for this feature, but it could be that it can be configured this way, there is a multi GFX feature and that allows you to run multiple streams at the same time, so this is what we do at the academy when we make two tables. we have two feeds arriving at the same time and what we are doing is running two different nodes on two separate tables and bringing in graphs from both; that is the purpose of the multi GFX function.
It can also be used as a delayed stream and live stream for a particular table when you create custom software, build these things as if they don't exist, or build more safety mechanisms to write like the original software development again. I don't think it was intended to be used in a commercial sense or in a particular sense where security is going to be an issue, it was just intended to be versatile, like the home gaming market, where you know people can have fun. See it again most likely in training scenarios. So I think it's great that it's become this great ability for these currents to emerge, but the problem is that there aren't enough protocols necessarily in place, at least not out in Nevada and maybe in Atlantic City.
I think they have like both. I guess the stricter rules are in place to the point where, as you know, Poker Central and WSOP have armed guards outside the pit room and just have traffic coming in and out. I've talked to a few different operators in Las Vegas, who have streams, they debate having streams, so we're talking about the process that they have to go through and it's not surprising that Las Vegas takes gambling very seriously, it sure isn't a surprise, and yes, they have protocols. place to really protect people where maybe you know that in states that have limits or only allow gambling in a limited sense or don't allow much gambling at all, you know they're going to be behind the curve to make sure there are the rules. right to prevent these kinds of things from happening, so that definitely makes some sense to me, so you know, we talked a little bit about how the cards work, how they read them, was there something that you discovered or at least your team or someone, I think you found it or you saw there, you saw the blue screen on his phone which is similar to the blue screen that lives can have, you can expand on that a little bit because it's like, yeah, that's the average.
You know, I know we got a little bit of YouTube clickbait here with the shocking

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on this, yeah, so it was actually the gumshoes that 2+2 discovered the capture of screen. but I found out that I had forgotten about this, so I got this software probably in 2015, when I built my first saref ID table and at that time I liked it, which wasn't really a thing, yelling was a real thing, it was. pretty new and second year in terms of its capabilities, but it had this feature.
I don't remember what it was, but effectively it was like a manual live player, so it would just take you to an HTML site and you would be able to watch the game in real time, but it seemed like you were watching an online replay and I noticed that every time. Once I was reading the article about "You know what the software was and how it went," so I contacted Andrew. and I asked him if that would still come up and he said yes, but Stones had never uploaded anything to that feature, so they were in the fucking clear there.
I was like okay, cool, so I started playing with it a little more and I realized that there was now streaming functionality in the software that didn't used to be there a few years ago and when I checked it out, I realized that yes you are operating the delay of your transmission through any third-party device. most of the cases it will be OBS, if OBS is controlling your lag, it means that the streaming feature on the real server that comes with Poker GFX is useless for you, it's just one thingextra that is there, but could still be used because whatever the server is.
What it's doing besides sending the data to OBS just happens in the background so I click on Stream without delay and it has a feature where you can share your IP with anyone else and you can password protect it of course but I just chose don't do it. and now anyone who has your IP address can watch the real-time stream basically with the chroma key you used until late, the graphics are over so anyone with that IP can access it. Yes, it would be very easy. that scenario, let's say theoretically you have your phone on your lap, go to Google Chrome or whatever set it to IP and it will appear, okay, that's interesting, yeah, that's interesting, yeah, that was kind of what I wanted to show , which wasn't very challenging.
I have since spoken to Andrew again and he assured me that is not the setup. That's not it, it's working, I was pretty sure they were using their server for everything today maybe and if that's true then what I'm saying has no validity at least in this particular circumstance, now it does in the future , other people could just use it. OBS is laggy and I don't particularly know what stones are set to. If they were using OBS to monitor their lag, then this could be the smoking gun. I think I agree with that and I also think you know it would be really nice to have someone looking into this that wasn't the Stones casino, someone who had a real incentive or maybe felt a moral obligation to get to the truth and help here. , yeah, because I'm worried about when Stones is on September 28th or 29th or any day.
It is announced that we have investigated it, guys, there was no cheating, right, and that was before all this came to light and now, of course, four or five days ago, something like that, they announced that they would do it. They'll still investigate it but they'll have an independent third party and the guy running it is their lawyer for some other things they've done before in the past yeah and you see that I think I tweeted like There's something wrong with this because it's so dumb which is like you know if you're going to say you're independent and have a third party investigate it.
I feel like there should be something real like there should be. an outside panel of people including some poker experts including some tech guys who can really get to the bottom of this, what do you mean man? They said they'd give the vloggers, okay, I mean, they're actually for what they're worth, yeah. I mean, they have no incentive to find cheats, it could hold them liable, they could just be liable, like they could lose a big lawsuit if they find out the cheats are good. I think that's the most likely thing to happen and yet that's like they found out about cheating themselves, what's the worst, hiding it and hoping no one else notices or comes forward and then dealing with similar responsibilities, well There have to be things like logs of images from all camera angles, right?
I imagine that exists. I heard Mac on the Jonathan Littles podcast say that they subpoenaed people with those images and, oh, that's huge, yeah, and they trust in good faith that they won't destroy themselves if they have the continuous images of Mike Pasal. If you think about what the Internet is, well, Internet students have done it so far, yes, with just live streaming, imagine if they had the ability to explore 24/7 non-stop, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think something will come of it, although I heard that the cameras were turned away intentionally, they weren't very high quality and when I say intentionally I mean it was like a suggestion for a long time that they upgrade their equipment for something closer to life on bikes and there was a lot of pushback, I guess from the top, well it's hard because they weren't really running a profitable operation, I mean it's worth 300k which is also true but I guess it also changes the way you want to look at it right because, you know, for example, for me I do YouTube knowing that I'm going to lose money on YouTube, although the microphone paste left can change, but knowing that I'm going to lose money on YouTube and then I'll get it back and I like to be able to do it. put my brand or business or whatever else I'm doing so you know the stones have to make that calculation, like if they get enough publicity for Mike's puzzle game and maybe they're picking it up and like there's a bigger number of players, the players are there because the room card, whatever it is, but directly, you know, some people have said publicly that this was not making money, so they also raised some questions like, so why are they doing it well? and they also like it and also think about upgrading the cameras, like what.
There's an incentive for that, I mean there's no doubt about it, the camera quality is low compared to other places, but what incentive do they really have to upgrade their cameras? You know, yeah, we have one, yeah, well, I mean, you know it's hard to get to. At the bottom of that, as long as I don't think anyone can find the incentive for them to even stream, it's okay, it's entertaining. I guess the local heroes will love it, but you know, absolutely all of this is like none of this makes sense. I don't know what Sacramento's economy is, but I'm sure in comparison it likes it a little further north or a lot further south in Malibu, whichever probably pales in comparison, so having a guy take out 300,000 from the liquidity pool of that small group of players I don't understand it anymore, I thought we had come this far, I think you would be surprised, yes, I think you would be surprised because California has a lot of money, yes, I think it is even a region that you could see. as third or fourth on the list of places to play in California, they may still have a lot more money than other places, and you know, I played a little bit in Northern California.
I remember my first live poker chip in the Matrix, no, no, Matrix. It wasn't open until long after that I was an Indian Jackson ranchera Jackson someone in the chats was going to know that I went out there I was 18 to play someone who wasn't prospering that's for later, but then I went to places like what's it called of one like the capitol casino or the capital card room. I thought that place was funny. I walk in it's like a cowboy western scene on the wall. I'm like, okay, bet on poker, but everyone in the scene is Asian, sure, and I say what and I. look at it and everyone in the Asian casinos, oh my god, it makes sense.
I guess that's how it happened, but they actually have a decent amount, a decent amount of people play that game and I've talked to a number. from the regulars who played in that area, you already know about a

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's MIDI play in similar games before, was this normal behavior for him and in fact I think there is probably a decent sized scene, an economy of poker players heading north, but I'm serious. The thing is, the streaming game itself couldn't have had that many characters and he certainly could have been the only winner; otherwise we would have had to have gotten to the bottom of this sooner, so if you can imagine, if you can imagine, pass.
It was being the rake where I got 1k every hour, what's anyone's game like? Yeah, I mean, honestly man, if there's a winner consistently over that period of time, we should look into that too or we might have found a goat, how did you do it? Was your only session Berkey? I lost you Kay, you lost to get Kay, you're off the list, so yeah, that's lucky for you man. Joey had me pegged as the third man. He had me sure you were in on this during the long scam. We're all preparing those 2558 stones okay so talking like you know the fact that he made so much money that it came from people you know there are real victims here who essentially had their money stolen and I guess that's the guy.
The question for me is how to start, what comes next for those people who you know, obviously, there is already a class action lawsuit that is being organized. Are you part of that? In some ways, are you doing your thing or not doing your thing? anything you are part of the whole legal circus that is going to start oh yeah, I have no idea what is going to happen there. I personally don't want to be part of the lawsuits. I feel like it's unfair to the people they actually victimized. As for me being someone who can benefit from pain or whatever you know, it shocked me but very, very small and I would rather the money was just worth it.
Jeff Boesky came in yesterday and said he will donate if he gets money back from the case he would donate the money for. I forgot it. I brought the cause. Yes, I saw it. I saw it on Twitter. I think he's going half to a bulldog charity and then half to Veronica. who then said he would donate to give well, I think it's the charity associated with reg, yeah, I mean, it seems like it might be a reasonable option. I think the most important thing is when something like this happens, even if it's annoying. deal with I think it's making sure that due process is done and that yes, you know the entity responsible for this happening is punished and even if you don't get a dime, I think that's a good thing to do. it's important to make sure that process actually happens because if it doesn't happen this will happen more often oh yeah don't get me wrong.
I and I have said it publicly. I hope the book reaches these guys. I don't know what the maximum they can potentially face is, but I hope that whatever it is, we see it come true. I'm tired of explaining why this is so mathematically significant that he is effectively guilty. I'm tired of people saying why. Do you bother doing this? Call the Department of Justice. It's like you know that's not how the world works. If it were that simple to start a criminal

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, it would certainly already be on the move and we don't know, maybe it's them.
Not everything will be published with that, yeah, I think with the amount of traction the story is gaining, even nationally, I think I would be surprised if we didn't see some kind of process on that front, yeah, that's it. At some point you know, obviously, these things are very slow, they don't move at a very fast pace, but I'd be a little surprised if they weren't, especially when it's as public as the kind of beauty of it all. The story is that the guy did all this publicly, oh my camera, he did everything on camera, like spitting in everyone's face and then he liked JFK's tweet that these accusations are like made up and we did an

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and we didn't find nothing. like the arrogance man like Percy, the snowball effect, well the arrogance is shown throughout the entire broadcast because it's like he's a God here, the God meme, he's a god, ah, he's God again, you know, and they have it like in them.
You're always putting the A

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in, he's just a disciple of God, an imp or he likes the power of possible thought or whatever, all the memes that put him on the show, he obviously beats everyone and then they just start meming and they like and and you. I know there were a lot of different commentators on the show, some very clearly not part of it, people like Veronica who tried to come forward and say something you know, so I'm by no means saying that all the comments about it. but some of the commenters some of the comments are very incomplete it's incomplete in the way they say things do you have any thoughts on that topic?
Yes, I think it's a slippery argument. I guess this is my thing and we're looking at it from a very condensed perspective, but they're there day after day 3 days a week watching this guy do the impossible and even though they may have their suspicions or whatever the case, they also have relationships and, again, anyone who shakes their hand, look at all that. It's weird, so I get it, and to take it even further, the people I encounter the most are the players in the game who struggle, so let's say, like the small winners, the players who break even or the little losers.
We're looking at this guy like he's literally a god and in a lot of these hands we're seeing some really out of line opponent right against Mike and people were like, wow, he's cheating, what are these people doing like were they losing? Your mind is like imagining that you have a hundred hours with this guy, because the thing is you know you have to understand, you have to understand, okay for someone who is very, very new to poker, they may look exactly the same, yeah . bluffed, well bluffed, what's the difference, cool, but there are big differences, like there are four hands that people liked, first, no one gets away with it, they just definitely get slapped every time too, but secondly, it's like it's a big byproduct of them watching the broadcast studying what these guys do they look at all these like three Gabor scions if it's cold calling the vets with him and I'm breaking up, that's actually a big point, the people who really got hurt here were the people who spent months analyzing and trying to copy the style ofmike puzzle someone someone tweet egos real talk guys I know you all feel bad for everyone else here but I spent six months studying passo and I'm the real victim okay so when you're weak, I climb well. make a lot of calls preflop another good point that was mentioned about the puzzle style was to name a good winning high stakes player who plays and I don't just mean that he knows what you have to make us sound, but he plays how it is possible to play preflop and flop. right, is there anyone?
I mean, no one is going to be lazier than me or the team, but not just lazy, not just lazy, and you know, incredible drive, I was pretty lazy in my time too, but not just lazy, but lost passive, you know , he would only be you. I know a lot of flats, yeah, everywhere, just a lot of flats, yeah, like I only saw one to bet on, it was Kings against Aces and he had already folded, yeah, so exactly what kind of people who crush the game they play really passive preflop because the problem with doing that isYou know, there are a lot of problems, but the main one here is that you are not getting value with your good hands and you are reducing the average pot size, so your 900 grand rate bad guys for every 100 wins will be reduced to seven. maybe 600, yeah, and I mean the most important thing is that when you play passively you realize your equity a lot less unless you're the most aggressive check-raise player who ever entered poker correctly and that was what yours. like his post flop aggression is through the roof so okay he's finding donks he's finding check raises he's finding all these wild lines need yeah some of the clues I think were particularly damning for the bomb pot where he led the river three, yeah, that hand.
It was just that I saw that and was like, “Okay, you got the first hand.” I saw that yeah, like an eight-way flop and I got chickens, my pasta boy, yeah. I'm like, okay, what's seven is like a double channel or a channel or whatever eight waves the flop floats the flop floats the river turn bricks it just gets stuck and the two chosen flush draws okay you guys can keep the rest of the evidence I'm fine, I have enough here, yeah. actually thought like one of the more subtle hands and he did it twice it happened twice that I saw it's very very very subtle but he two and a half pots X got stuck and three and a half pots X got stuck on the river once with ace king verse an escape on a king high board i saw yes that was once with ace 10 verse ace 10 on an ace high board oh so you think there's a bet that tells the size and he knows what you have because that's yours.
I'm taking people out of a The cut size has to be right because there's nothing worse they can call in any of those scenarios and nothing better they can fold, that's a great point if someone has the same hand as you, your Eyes want to bet as big as possible, right? I mean, it didn't oversample much and when I was looking for value it was almost always like what's the problem? Sighs, I can take it, yeah, always calling and all the heroes calling every time he gets eliminated, it was a big size like yeah, well he just had to put his foot down and say, "I'm calling Jax here, that was Taylor" , said he had studied the transmission over the previous weeks and simply saw that its large sizes were out of place. why the power of live readings really works, yeah, I mean, like you know, it's one of those situations where you think about the number of hands and the sums as a cumulative effect, it's so impossible for them. being innocent and when I look at the comments because I like the possible video that I made before, it will be my most popular video that I have made, I think that means a hundred thousand views a day right now, which is just mind. -blowing, everything is redone half a million, yeah, and the people that are coming in are new, they're just new people like, oh, what's possible.
I like poker, yes, and the amount of comments are like you're jelly, you hate jelly. because he's so good, right, it's like and it doesn't turn me on, man, that means this game is nowhere near dead games, it's not dead. Oh, what do you think about the effect of this story on poker? I think it's slightly positive and I know it's kind of a contrarian point of view because aligning cheating accusations with poker is never going to be a really positive thing and I agree that that in itself is very negative but I think ultimately Ultimately, it is quite uniform across all. the community how we feel about this how we've policed ​​this the proactive steps we've taken I've actually been talking a lot about this probably for the last six or eight months where there's just not enough unity at the top of our community is so ruthless. and we compete so hard in every element, not only not only at the table, but also on social platforms in business outside of poker, whatever the case may be, it's like we're always pitted against each other and this is the one . umbrella where we were all unified and yes, they know God together, it was like, we are actually a community and although we have our slight differences, we largely think the same, we are guided by the same principles and you know this game in and In itself it's pretty good, we've all been very lucky to get here.
I would see it a little less positive than that, but I agree with your principle, which is the cheaters, yes, as you know, that's what I think everyone supports. right, like if you were a poker player, if someone was just cheating at the table, that guy, yeah, kids like it to be maximum profit, right, yeah, it's like we all want, we all want to be exploiters within the limits of the rules of the game, but when someone takes advantage of vulnerability, you are willing to play within the rules and it's not like that, it's like you, man, no one agrees with that right, no one in the elite level and yes, when you talk about the elite level. of poker players is a funny group, there are little mm-hmm groups and then there are some stylistic differences between people that, as you know, individual groups think that they are better than the other group as a group of that type of thinking. happening, yeah, and there are a lot of people who don't like each other and, frankly, you know more than anything, just a bunch of weirdos, yeah, like that, it's like the upper echelon of poker players contains a lot of guys weird and, if you think about it to be so good at a strategy game to get to the absolute top for the other to play against the best people in the world the amount of hours and time and obsession you have to have to get there, ya You know, on average you're going to be a bit of a weird guy, so it's interesting to see everyone come together on at least one thing, yeah, and I also think it's very individualistic, so when you move up to the upper echelon it's not that there aren't They had help along the way and it's not that they don't have a team to lean on and things like that, but it's more that it's not a team sport, you know, you didn't get promoted.
Until we got to these ranks together, everyone had their own path that they fought for and that creates little differences in the way they think and play and we are very critical, as you know, in the last two or three years, especially with the boom of YouTube and everything else, we have never, ever examined this game through more black and white lenses than since the GTO wave, quote, and I say, quote, not because I think game theory is not a What I recognize it absolutely is that it is, but I think the way it's been mass marketed is that they're combining a style with a real studio, the way this conversation is being directed, how III, actually, I misunderstood myself a little bit like the Solo I do GTO, boy.
God knows the reason why I need you like that. I did it even though I didn't really have you. Saw an episode of poker hands. I haven't even used a solver. They have never used me. We are the. The same man, I mean, I've used them, but not a lot, but it's all like that and I actually remember having this conversation with you, it must have been in 2013 and five diamonds, where we were debating how much our jobs at Google were worth and you . you know, that was strategy formation, you know, I've been playing since I know 3, this was the time when these files started being written like in 2010, somewhere out there, you spend a lot of time building from scratch with the tools that were available at at that time and they were equity calculators, whatever CRE V is, now this is just a more advanced calculator and the reason I say it's being combined with the mass population is because it's sold as the answer and everything will be everything if you follow This path is absolutely correct and what they don't recognize is that it's actually a path that goes off in billions and billions of different directions, so I think it comes down to a couple of things.
I think the first thing is from a teaching perspective. I think you have to approach it from a more theoretical basis because it's very difficult to teach people the skill set necessary to deviate wildly from that in an individual case. I think back to when I taught, as you know, I had a lot of people that played face-to-face than I taught. I built my Google Drive with spreadsheets as far as the eye can see, yeah, and I and I brought people in. I taught them. And I think one of the reasons a lot of my students did really well was because I had a system that was super easy to replicate because I'm naturally not good at poker.
I'm not. I struggled with small stakes for a long time and then I finally started to understand something and it all came together, maybe I would have said it from the beginning, but in general I was not good at poker by nature, I just wasn't, so I had I have to solve all these things. and then you just plug people into that system and it's much easier this is how we operate these are the criteria these are the equity thresholds this is the way they could track these ranges and so on, I think it's a way of teaching That It's the best way I teach people if you start getting into really complex situations where it's like this and we have to think about all the beauty of everything and put it all together and paint this beautiful picture, you know? they're like they don't know like basic strokes you know like they're like how am I going to do this so I think from a teaching point of view it's very important to start with a theoretical foundation.
I think the second thing is that it's also important to understand that solvers are a great learning tool, but they also don't take into account a lot of different things because they're very rigid. A conversation I had with a boy. I had an argument with a boy. I forget what software it was, but a few years ago, on the 2+2 forums, where I thought they seemed like solvers, you know that they will not be the real answer to how to play in a place, they are not because they have limitations and, furthermore, you know that we We'll face different best sizes that might be different than what the solver is calculated for and one of the software guys answers me and says, "Oh yeah, well how about we play heads-up with defined preflop ranges and "Can we only use flop sizes?" like no, obviously your votes are going to destroy what that question was, but you know, the thing is that the core elements are good and they are important and they are much closer to being correct, so when we talk about exploits, the people you know they exist on a spectrum, we're more confident that people agree more with exposition and others, and where you fall on that definition, like mainly, I guess that's the main stylistic difference that lis players have, how far along the X game curve are you willing to go Wow, yes, I agree with all that.
I think it's just a language thing, so the only thing I don't necessarily agree with is that there is someone who isn't playing on an exploitation spectrum, so what you're saying is correct at best. Exploitative players will be much more obvious and this is seen a lot in the real world and people who are trying to play more theoretically correct, their mechanics will look much more similar to what the solutions would show, but for example the system. that you taught your students let's say in 2013 face to face do you think it's necessarily winning now in what year I'm sorry, 2013 so six years ago no, I don't think so well and that's what I mean so if we're thinking about the game theoretically and present it as a black and white path where this is much closer to being correct than any other thought process we can go through.
I think the masses overlook the macro and dive into the micro and then they're left behind when evolution happens because we're still getting more and more information day after day as these simulators run and we think more critically about them. As the variables are continually adjusted, but how can they fall behind in a strategy that at the very least, at the very least, is reasonably well balanced and constructed, how can they fall behind? Well, I would say that the balance is only in the context of whatever information they have in that current state, sowhat you're balancing your environmental feats. true, what was winning then is not necessarily winning now because the environment has changed drastically, but if you were a new poker player, you would be a touch phenom again, a much better player, so how's your lag?
So, this is a language. Again, I totally agree with you when you talk about baselines. The first thing people should understand is the pod model. The first thing people should understand is the construction of ranges. You know all these simplistic methods that are based on game theory and they will help us improve our assumptions. I guess what I'm talking about then is the next layer where you really start to build a top to bottom strategy, where you know we should choose these sizes on these board textures and we should look. these frequencies when the imposition forces out of position, I think that as more work is done and people play different counter strategies, it will be difficult to stay ahead and when we talk about very fine edges falling behind, they could simply be reduced by like half big blind 400 yes, but are we talking about players who are trying to learn to play with smaller mistakes?
Are you talking about the real thing because they are different, of course? And if you're learning from things like if you're learning to play with a solver in the current climate and you're successfully replicating given the constraints that you're solving correctly, you're creating a reasonable model. Yes, if you are creating a reasonable model. will absolutely beat small stakes poker, yes I think that's a fair assessment. I guess I'm just talking about the ceiling every time you go down that path, so your argument is more that looking at poker that way will work initially, but preventing you from reaching the higher levels is more like what you're saying, well , I think it just depends on the type of person and the type of thing it is.
I think working with that methodology creates great mechanics and that's certainly enough. winning low stakes, but being able to be a macro thinker to be able to create solid strategies is necessary to elevate your game in any capacity, so you do it more specifically as examples of chemistry, yes, so I guess if, for example, You just spend most of your time in the lab solving studies like positional points, for example, button bars, big blind, blind strength, blind type scenarios, whatever and you do a pretty good job of being able to replicate some kind of model at, say, 128 flops added, that's great.
You're going to win because no one else around you is doing that kind of thing, but if you don't you can extrapolate that to deeper, broader principles of why a small bet works on an advantageous board when you're in position versus why a big bet works. prefer with a less robust range on, say, a more dynamic board, then you'll miss the forest for the trees, but you'll see these principles in play as you learn them, yeah, so I guess I don't see how you're not learning that as this process occurs? I guess if there is no thought, if you just put it in, like clicking a button, sure, but as you know, human beings tend to think from time to time, some less than others and So there will be some time when the People will think about this, and as they implement them, they will learn many great strategies from better, smarter, more thoughtful players.
I agree and I think that is viable. I think if you hand someone a 3-bet range from every position with fixed blind depths like 100 big blinds or whatever, they'll never stray because that's what people generally look for when they're struggling, it's a simple solution, like think about the comparison. I always like to use going to the gym for the first time, you're there with a big goal in mind, you want to lose weight, you want to get fit, you have this image of what you want to look like etc., you walk in. without any guidance and you feel overwhelmed and immediately leave.
Now imagine you walk in, someone greets you at the door and says: I will guide you through your training every day for the rest of your life. You feel like you just found it. the answer and you probably did if you really have that support, but imagine that guy says, I'm going to walk you through every workout you're going to do for the rest of this week and that's just driving, but it's more like the walking guy. you're like yeah, I think I know what's better for you than what health experts do or what you know, I'm saying it's more like that, yeah, I think it's from that perspective, I don't think, I think it's okay to have your own approach and be willing to expand, especially because your confidence in your readings and especially I was like the sample size and what you are analyzing or your opponents as your sample size increases against a poet and an opponent.
I think the confidence that you can have in making different plays is good and part of poker, so my favorite hands that I've played have been coming out of that and owning someone because I really had one that I hadn't really updated. to indicate that things were happening, she was one of my least favorite hands, she was probably in that rain range too. Lord knows I'm sure I played hands against the jungle where someone bluffed and got called in a um, that certainly happened. Yeah, so, you know, that element of poker is fun. I guess I just think I approach it from a fundamental theory and then branch out.
I agree with you. I'm a sweetheart, I think. I think so, I think it was a reasonable conversation, but we haven't talked about how that range changes if you know what they have Berkey, well I can't think of anyone like that, no, no, we definitely don't know. having someone like that, as far as I know, jungle would probably be the closest variation. How Many Long Island Iced Teas are very, very close, so I was looking at the thread a little earlier today and I just love, love, love the Internet's least man. At least on the Internet you can't get anything from them, we have people and within five minutes we found that blue screen after I posted the video they are analyzing.
Here is the win rate with a hat back or no hat versus hat forward. I think that's relevant. man you can't you can't make this stuff up yeah it certainly seems relevant and there are a lot of numbers here but it seems like when the hat is forward your win rate increases to a hundred and twenty four grand per hour it sure is a hat forward and a phone and a turn is over three hundred I think we're onto something I think we might be onto something In fact, I think whatever method he was using became more sophisticated as time went on Possibly that's right, so it's entirely possible that Andrew You were right and your initial setup didn't allow for server sharing or whatever and you may have started with something simpler, like whoever is running the terrain this assumes there is an Inside Man but whoever is writing the graphics just send a text or send something to communicate what's going on, I think as time has gone on they've probably gotten more sophisticated.
I've heard from a lot of people that the live feed was being shared with the GM as well as the head of security and I think Justin also, hey, delay without delay, so they were getting a feed without delay and if that's possible , that would begin to explain the bone conduction headphones because now all of a sudden any of them could just be watching the stream and we're streaming it. In fact, I don't want to name names, but probably twelve or thirteen current or former Stones employees reached out and you know, I wouldn't just say this. out of a hat like I said before, I don't need to make up evidence, but the consistency I saw between all the messages was Justin and also Mike and others were just constantly transiting towards the control room as if there was nothing stopping people. from getting in there and then secondarily that this live stream was being broadcast to a lot of other people, I mean, if the stream is being broadcast live to two other people in the casino mm-hmm, I think that's a very bad sign, yeah, yeah, I mean, just like III. and I would love it if someone who runs when the other live streams could come and talk about it.
I'm sure everyone would love to blend in right now, so I don't worry, it'll be time to say "oh yeah, let it go." I talk about my live stream that I have here, it's a great time for that, yes, but I would love to know if other streams do that because it seems very sketchy to me and if there are two people who are receiving the stream. Why not a third of a fourth right and I also feel like you know if we have an exact timeline on when the hat stuffing started because the hat stuffing is very weird, super weird and I've heard people argue that it doesn't. is it stuffed? and it's like you're blind, you're blind, he's blind, wear your helmet, yeah look there are some things that are debatable, the fact that the hat stops is yeah, sure, it's like he has two eyes, definitely I could say these things and yes.
I don't know when that was, but it makes sense that as they came under more scrutiny, they would like to become more sophisticated in their methods, yes, especially if they know that a cell phone is going to be banned. Yes, I'm interested to see when the Hat will appear. the filler happens as a timeline hat regarding the cell phone ban, yeah look at what the overlap was like or if it happened right before or if it was happening for a long time before. I also think it's interesting, you know there are a lot of different theories about how exactly he got it right.
I think it has to be that he knows all the cards mm-hmm. There was a theory that some people were saying that there is a chance that he knows which hands are going to win. matchup, but that's just not possible, because sometimes he bluffs well, he bluffs from the worst hand, yeah, so he has to know what they have and if they're weak, so I think he definitely knew all the cards and then it's also the technology that is required to be able to read the entire platform, it is scary, but it is also extremely limited and it would be very, very, for him to have an RFID reader that would be accurate, let's say, on the other side of the table.
The thing is, there are other decks of RFID cards that can know all the cards that are going to be drawn. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if you saw that it's not actually reading the RFID, they're like infrared decks where each card is individually marked on the side or on the top, not on the top of the card, but like on the piece of the deck and that's why there was a keychain theory for a while, because you can hide it, yeah, in anything. okay, can you tell me what that theory is? Because I haven't actually heard this.
Well, yes, the idea was that the deck would be infrared marked, where each individual card, much like a unique RFID tag, would receive some kind of unique mark and the key fob would be the receiver that can interpret what that mark is and then just sends a voice message to your headphones. Now, obviously, that would take a lot because he needs to get the technology that he would need to get a platform. in the game and you would need to have like a micro headset or if the bone conduction headphones line up, that would make sense, but there were a lot of cues everywhere, I think almost every key session on the table, I think they were like only towards the end, yeah, and then like there were a lot of sessions without a stuffed hat, so yeah, it doesn't seem like it makes more sense, no, and again, it's the least reliable of all the technology, so yeah Have someone In getting a deck in the game seems less relevant than just getting the live stream, no, yeah, it's like going through the trouble of saying, "Okay, we're an IR detector and we're going to scan." radically sent a signal to the end of my earpiece and got a pat on the hat or I can make a guy like 7 or nails in the back no no no not exactly comparable in terms of difficulty, you know the screen theory blue for me.
I would do it. I would like to see stones actively, I assume they would take it down and could do it relatively easily, pretty sure it keeps logs and if they were actually running the stream through the server software that would discredit it because then there would be the chroma key that was sent. actually it would just be the live video stream but I'm interested because it makes more sense there's an 8-15 second delay between the actual live stream oh that trick yeah that makes sense yeah so it's like when you have your hands or head buried in your hands for 30 seconds you're just waiting for the cards to catch up that makes a lot of sense timelines review yeah we like it when you review the cards yeah , and I mean, it's kind of horrible, like I mean to me, it's just like it's a coincidence that we found pictures of his phone with a blue screen off and that's what happened when they were on break,so there would be no transmission, oh man it seems so, so how do you explain that?
It's so low-key, right, you just have a blue screen on your phone with zero information, so no one will like to look over your shoulder and say: hey, what's that? Why is 8 9 of Spades on your phone? Because maybe it didn't have a snap. Chev opens, he's opening the snapshot, I was looking at it, I was looking at what his improv ranges were at 1700 grand, yeah, I wish, I wish, I wish Mike, the big mouth, Matusow had asked him some reasonable questions on that podcast You know, I mean, I mean, it would have been, I mean, he wouldn't have gotten, we would've gotten the answers that I want, I guess, but still, sometimes I'd ask him a question and the guy would like to be like who just laughs or likes it. say whatever and say yes, yes, yes, it's like you know, yes, the lack of follow up, I wish I had been better, but listening to this guy babble for two hours is pretty important information, I don't think we'll be able to extract it. anything that comes out condensed, oh man that's so bad, yeah we listened to him talk for two hours so I think we've heard enough, it's very substantial in nature but it's like everything lines up, he's cheating and then we can go back and listen to two hours of audio where it doesn't make sense that he likes to refute the charges, yeah he didn't do it, he didn't do it, it's like he didn't say I didn't do it, this is the explanation for these . things are what they are like well, what about the times I didn't cheat? you know like like like I asked him I asked him about this or like people asked him about that and it's like the first answer is like here's a hand that I didn't cheat on, like I'm bro, the burden of proof here isn't is finding me a hand where you clearly didn't cheat and the box is $65, yeah I loved that hard evidence of like the $40 river call, yeah what a man I'm pumping you can see it, the river call river.
I think it's actually when you look for people who are cheating. The most consistent indication is the river game, yes, because you already know it and I have it. he cheated online like ten years ago or something and the river aggression factor or aggression factor is very high because there is no reason to call from the river and someone bets that you should raise with the best hand mhm or if you were thinking of folding or you should fold if they have a good hand there's no reason to call like what does it mean to call if you call if you're not an idiot and you want to disguise your cheating it's really like you know you should call even if you were cheating Cause TV yeah so like You know, you look at players like okay, well, the guy doesn't call much on the river and I can't think of a better example than Mike Puzzle, right, that's what we put forward.
I think someone right now and I'm sure someone is already in this process, but at some point we need a database with real, hard data that like statistics history, yeah, yeah, or even just frequencies. It's like how many times he got to the river and then he got out of those times. How many times did he withdraw incorrectly? How many times did he actually pay? How many times did he climb correctly? And that's a very good point. Yes, once we can get to know, maybe a thousand times and his efficiency rate will be like 7 or 97%. Okay, what else do we need to show you?
You know, and we can also take into account the factor, "Okay, maybe we'll take into account that he's the greatest factor of all time." Well, let's get back to that and we'll give you an extra 20 percent. next we'll say like one in 10 15 times, he's that good, look at most of the others, that good factor there, yeah, and then we'll see where it relates yet because there were almost no river calls, we weren't there and and and if you think about how good players play compared to on the river, they mainly call, yeah, I make a good amount of folds, they raise from time to time and they mainly call it, that's how good players play well, you know , or maybe in certain situations where some sizes you're folding more often because it's a larger size, but in general, your main defense tells you that the riverbed sizes of half the boat is to say that this It's not the main one, I mean, it's a byproduct of the game, right? your investment strategies in your In the simplest form, they are pricing you, you are supposed to call with I mean, the right decision is the right one, that just seems like the easy thing to do.
Joey hit me up and told me he was going to make a defense for a possible and I actually found it really convincing because it's like you know we're going to have you, he I was trying. I know I saw there and he caught me. thinking where it's like you know we're very difficult in a sense and there's some room for error here. I will be extremely my new. I was thinking about that today, actually, Berkey, I was thinking about, you know, because I think yesterday I said, I think there's one of them has a 100,000 chance that he's innocent or whatever, for sure and then I thought about am I too far off? from there because there's actually a big difference, our practical difference is the same either way, but between 1 in 10,000 and one in a million like it's actually like a big difference in real probability, a relative probability.
I should say yes and I feel like it's more like one in a million or so, it's just that it's when you get into those really small frequency events that are humans. notoriously bad at understanding them and trying to make them like to think about it like when someone thinks like, oh, something is point zero zero zero one percent, they like it, so there's a chance you know it right, just use the example of that there are more decisions and no. Limit Hold'em than atoms in the universe people just say that so flippantly as if that weren't so profound.
Do you know what an atom is like just an atom? Show minute and much less as if you know the robustness of the universe. It's ridiculous. The feature just doesn't limit the best sizes, although sure because you can bet like 112 a point as the feature element sizes, but no, it's the decision part away. I just think about how many atoms there are in the universe as if we can't conceptualize it. which no you can't, but yeah, Mike Mike Mike Paul, so probably yeah, like Joey introduced it to me and it made me think I was like, you know, this reminds me of a mock trial I did in sixth grade in my class. advanced reading where we created a jury, a defendant and a plaintiff, and it was Goldie Goldie locks against the three bears and they were like suing her and we had to try to take Goldie locks from her and that's what it feels like, it's like it was us.
We're trying to reverse engineer a completely criminal case where it's blatantly obvious that this guy is cheating and I can't figure out how, other than finding a thousand cases where he just makes a bad call on the river, yeah, yeah, and I think as one of the best defenses I think it's a terrible defense, but maybe the best one I've heard is that if they were doing it, why would they do it so badly? and it's like it's a terrible DeMuth, it's just terrible, but then but then you see something like you know why you would pretend to trade my hole cards, even if you're cheating correctly, even if you know all the cards and you're doing trap and everything is rigged, yeah why?
Would you make the whole car change so blatantly obvious in such a ridiculous way? He just doesn't understand the system. He doesn't understand how simple it is to reverse engineer that point and recognizes that it's collusion, but you like that the hands don't understand it. it shows well, but I think it's to get rid of the smell, we don't want to have another situation where it's possible to bet through betting Riverwood eight high, you're going to get rid of the smell by doing some crazy thing that no other stream likes. that's okay, come on, these are rational actors, you know, I mean, I get it, but if you're the if you go with them if you live under the restriction of Mike Pasal is a legitimate God, why why even? deviate well, maybe they thought they couldn't sell that narrative for another eighteen months.
Did you see the guy's eyes when he saw Mike was debating a vet issue on the river and he was like or was he the Fife that was 5/4? hand, I'm sorry, it was a different hand, like some of the furtive glances when they're like and then they look to the side like yeah, yeah, it's like oh yeah, so like you know that here, like they know that's what he was saying. like they could both have a king and you know it because there is an ace and that's how it was, that's why I say with the comment to go back to what we were talking about a moment ago mm-hmm, I found it like that It's strange because, as someone who has I've made a lot of comments, if I saw something like that I'd say: yeah, I'm no longer qualified to discuss what's going on because I have no idea what's right, but you're also coming from a much more advanced mindset to understand poker and you have I have to understand that the vast majority of the comments are mean and very reactionary, literally this is what I see, so I'll try to add some poker skills to it, but those skills are relatively useless, I get it.
Your point in many examples I think it's a great point because Dunning-Kruger is a real thing and it's hard to understand from others, you lose perspective, right? But specifically the ham I'm talking about is a 3-bet game with ace-king and cold floor. $700 at 5/4 offsuit, okay, so just that hand specifically, yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding even with just the most basic knowledge of poker, right, how can you not make a comment that says? I really don't understand what. Mike doing this is bad or like 5/4 different suit for $700 is a weird decision, like what is Mike doing in that range?
This is weird, yeah, don't make this like I don't understand what he's thinking, but but then instead jump to oh, well, you know they could both have an ace, so there's a couple of things I don't We know, the conversations that take place before these production meetings, as if they could be two points, and this is something that I have reiterated and it has been reiterated to me many times before commenting, keep in mind that people's families are watching, so the commenter has a responsibility to not embarrass anyone and secondly, put it into a larger context of what they also just watched. this guy cold calls nine unsuited fives and then opens Ripa's flop with a nine or five hundred or whatever for thousands of dollars, so this isn't exactly an isolated incident, you know they're in a situation where It's like they have to understand all this and no one knows what's going on, yeah.
I guess you know you always want to make sure that, as you say, we don't have any proof that these people are guilty. and I don't want people to be like Doug thinks that all the competition I definitely don't think is true, almost certainly most of them weren't, yeah, and I think it's very likely that this will continue for a certain period of time. you just get used to it and you're like, oh yeah, now it's disconcerting for Mike to do this and it's like a reality that you're living in, but at least I have to say it's weird because it's weird to see these things happen and not have a comment.
About this, you know and I try to defend it, yes, it is totally possible. I actually like the point you made right there, that maybe it's in the production meeting before the show, maybe they were told you know whatever Mike does. Is this our boy? I think he's our guy. We need to make sure people know that this guy is really good, in which case the guy is like, "I'll like this." I guess there are two aces that might make sense. I guess so, and I mean. I think, as you know, I empathize with them because I think a lot of those guys that make comments there, that's their first gig, they may have an interest in getting better at it, they get nervous, you know they're trying to go down that path despite Maybe we, for example, see it more as a dead end, but secondly, I think your point is a little valid in the sense that they have a little bit of blame for it, even if it were indirect, they are indeed throwing people off, they're making people like Veronica and Casey doubt themselves and you know, you wonder whether or not they really know what's going on, yeah, it's weird because like before in this group, you stumped me. like, oh, I'm worried about poker night in America or something, that's the same software of the day and you said I was like, oh, I was at poker in America, make a bunch of comments, exactly, anything weird happens, just remember and think like but if I had been in that place, no one would have said, I don't know what this guy is doing, you know, yeah, I wouldn't say, oh, this is a great play by this guy, like 5 4. offside because it was like they could both just have an escape, you know, that's not that that's unreasonable, yeah, for the record, by the way, I know the poker night guys pretty well, but no enough to say that they are 100% legit.Sure, but you know, to the point of having been with a lot of those guys, I'd be surprised if that were the case.
I agree. I think I'm in shock. I think they live on the bicycle. I think they do their due diligence. I just feared that with what. Until now it was known that any protocol that exists, even if it was comprehensive in nature, is not necessarily sufficient and there are many more layers of security that need to be added, which I am sure this will bring to light and I will do its due diligence. I almost feel like there should be a third party company that is in charge of the credibility of the streams, yeah I agree, I don't know what they are called, like poker streams, like LLC, yeah. and if you're running a poker event, the LLC team has control of the footage and like the guys, they would take care of everything, so the tough guy had a lot of responsibility.
I know, I absolutely know, but at least then you know that at least then you could have someone there that's not okay. I'm a big fan of aligning incentives in as many parts of life as possible in your sensitivity to the lion, things happen, yes, and if you have the casino and the street that the person in charge of the integrity of the flow is the same organization , there is a clear conflict of interest clarified because they have different incentives hmm, I think hiring a company whose incentive is that they have a lot of responsibilities, this shit is going to be legit I think that's good I agree I mean, it's hard, it's a difficult business model, as if it were not something I want to create the company.
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er of whether you get insurance or not, but yeah, I totally agree with you. And you know you have to go one step further, like a lot of people who are hired in production to oversee these streams and these compilations and things like that that already exist in poker and that's a problem. Because they have relationships in poker, those relationships they can very quickly turn into hey, man, I'm in a bad situation, like I don't want to compromise anything, but can you send me the feet, yeah, yeah, it's almost, you know after so many. hours thinking about this story, you almost have to wonder how it happened, who was the first guy, said, you know, let's do this, or what do you think about doing this, or you know, how did it go.
I feel like you're wondering how many people are involved. Normally I think in places like this it's a smaller group of people because it's very easy to have leaks. Yeah, you know, every person you add just adds, so a new dynamic and problems arise. I'm inclined to think it's probably a small group of people, it's just Mike and most likely it's JFK? I mean, it's hard to imagine a penis right now. I really do not know. I mean, it's very unlikely. right, no

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er what it is, he's definitely definitely guilty of conducting a negligent street search, so absolutely oh yeah, we're like living a real life prisoner's dilemma and I think the most likely outcome is that the last person who was involved will be the first to turn around is possible.
I'm a little surprised no one has broken down so far. I thought you knew that at some point someone would say, "Okay, we're obviously guilty." Yes, I think we are missing something obvious. It makes me think that maybe the criminal process is not advanced enough, but that's also true because I think that one time, people are like they get interrogated and they realize that they could go to jail and they realize that people like this one and they get a chance to snitch on people and, you know, get a chance to get off the hook. I think that tends to be the maximum.
Yes, I suppose the speed at which the information was coming out must have scared someone especially. If they were a little less hooked, then everyone else, can you imagine being Mike Pasal for the last week and a half just to take a step and I can think every day you're like, I guess I am? Coming out so careless, oh man III, it was impressive, he managed to be on the internet during this, honestly, I mean, I imagine some of those accounts or ghosts like the well-known ones, although I'm sure he did, I'm sure he probably Honestly, it's probably a lot like serial killers or anonymous terrorists or whatever.
I hate cheaters as much as any other guy's perspective, no. I'm saying that they like to bask in the glory of the crime that occurs. I do not do it. I know if you watched the Ted Bundy case on Netflix, it's fantastic, it documents his whole process, you know, I guess it was a process through these murders and stuff, and he seemed to like the idea of ​​getting away with it like if he were to get his way. close to the authorities as much as possible and they just disappear and I imagine that part of the possible is to enjoy the same way that he accepted the "I am God" thing for however long, you know he has to have a pretty inflated ego in this point, yes, which is also great your part.
He was trying to keep a small profile. Know. He just didn't want people to know. Yes. That's why I only played on streaming and always won. He was the god of the stream. My favorite never wanted to. I hate attention, especially positive attention, it's like, oh yeah man, I love being called placeholder, wait, wait, so I've probably had a good week and a half for sure because I don't think I'll get much positive attention from From now. It's safe to navigate, it's hard to think about what these types of people think or why they do the things they do and I think that's why it's also about people saying: well, why would you do it so badly? because like you're not them like you don't know like you know you don't know what motivates them you don't know like some people when they commit crimes it's extremely planned and they're very smart about it and they're harder to catch, some people are a little bit planned, but they're stupid people who don't say that Mike is, but we listen to him talk for two hours like before and then some people, it's like on the spur of the moment, they just do whatever they want.
I know, there are various degrees here and how premeditated and how well they are executed and all that kind of stuff, so yeah, it's hard to know why you would try to walk that line so close to getting caught, that's right, it also works on the reverse. right, maybe get the collective source of their crime, so it's like we have thousands of people sifting through evidence trying to find the next day again, you know, for every good suspicion that comes my way, I have ten that are like the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life, yes, we can cover all the bases because those ten are being discarded, that's the point too.
I think it's very important to keep in mind that, as you know, until we know. I need to create additional evidence when there is so much available and sometimes like Joey Joey for you, this one thing and he said I should drink from Mike Paul like it's easy when you can see the cards and I said and it's like I admit it like Joey like if was saying that he or the audience is watching the broadcast and can see the cards above. He doesn't say like I don't know if I'm buying it, but that's good content. man, it's golden, it was, I mean, it was fun, it was a great tweet, it was a great clip, my point is you know we don't have to like it, I can't have to say oh, it turns out it's possible, I admitted it. yesterday watch this clip, you know there's enough evidence to continue, sure, anyway, Berkey, are there any last thoughts you have on the subject?
To bring the conversation closer, I think we all need to be very patient with the legal process. I imagine this will take quite some time, but I hope there is some restoration or restitution for those who were victims. Honestly, my biggest concern is how this will affect streaming gameplay in the future. I think people need to be familiar with the products that are out there, understand the ones that do it absolutely by the rules correctly, like the WSOP, poker go and the sophistication that goes into that, we understand where we face vulnerabilities and where we can actually protect ourselves, you know, at least, maybe there won't be a third-party system implemented where they start making sure that all these transmissions are secure, but if we can, even join together as players, particularly in the high states, where it's okay, listen, We will need answers to a few questions before continuing with these broadcasts.
I think it's a good way to give up our power, since we're not very incentivized to play. about this stuff anyway yeah I think that's a great point and it's something you know I think this is going to make the lives of the people who run the streams a lot harder yeah it's already as hard for them as if I was so dear to people. The ones who really have the power here are the poker players, although they are not super incentivized to play in many situations because if there are no poker players there is no poker, so it is really the people who run the game who will have to try to make this work and yeah, if poker players in a game say we want to know these things set up or these things set up are appropriate, I think we're at a point where those are totally fair questions.
I asked and I think as a group you can make decisions and if the places you play refuse to like you know work with you in any capacity you just can't play there yeah you don't really care yeah you don't in stores. I'm wrong. I don't think security measures should be breached when poker players walk through the control room to make sure everything is intact, but I think it's very reasonable to know if it's a broadcast set up on a wireless or wired system. I think there are a lot of other protocols that can be put in place to reassure people that everything is legit, okay, cool, that's a really good point, so I want to thank you for joining us on the podcast today and thank you.
I want people to know what you're up to and where they can follow what you have planned in the near future or anything you're excited about. Yes, we actually have a documentary about poker coming out probably eventually. of the year called TBD follows a half-grinder who fell from grace used to play much bigger it's dark to say the least but realistic yes very and it really is a fascinating story because I like it It juggles with the concept of hope and what it was ever versus reality and the balance between I'd rather play one, three, two, five for 20 bucks an hour, get a real job and I think a lot of people like to face that. both at the beginning of their career and then when it's time to leave but they still hold on to hope yeah that's bleak that's a really nice way to end it okay guys so thanks for joining and eventually the shit will hit the fan.
It's going to suck. I just recorded a video and how it will be. Oh, well, I think it's a real look at what it's like to be a grinder and you know, it doesn't necessarily glamorize it. I think it is important to demonstrate pokers strongly. of work is, is and can go south so fast, it's very realistic like, you know, it had to happen to me like I was playing high stakes and then I lost almost everything. I was going to play between one, two and five. I live like I've lost most of my money, as many, many, many people do, so it's definitely realistic and it's also nice to be able to understand if that happens, life goes on and you know there are ways you can go on. from there. they don't involve cheating people out of 300 thousand dollars worth of stones, so that's good, that's a great thing, well, thank you glad for joining us and I want to thank you all for tuning in today, it was great to have you.
I'll be back tomorrow with Veronica Brill at 6 p.m. Tomorrow Pacific Time, a little later than normal, but we're going to talk about Mike Paul, so once again, she's the first whistleblower, the person who came forward and said something that started this whole thing and put it to rest. going, so I wait. Please join us tomorrow and I hope to do so too. I will see you soon

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