YTread Logo
YTread Logo

Shields and Brooks on Warren's farewell, Biden's surge

Mar 08, 2020
JUDY WOODRUFF: And now, to help make sense of a pivotal week in the race for the Democratic nomination, here are Shields and Brooks. That's syndicated columnist Mark Shields and New York Times columnist David Brooks. Hello you two. MARK SHIELDS: Judy. JUDY WOODRUFF: So the Earth shifted on its axis, or at least the Democratic Party, the Democratic primary did, David. We had South Carolina, we had Super Tuesday, four presidential candidates dropped out, or maybe more than that. What happened? DAVID BROOKS: Oh, I've never seen anything like it. It was -- in the 48 hours after South Carolina, the polls were moving so fast that some pollsters were saying that polls that were 12 hours old were out of date.
shields and brooks on warren s farewell biden s surge
And it was a spontaneous movement of millions of people across the country in different demographics spinning as one and coming to the same conclusion, which has to be Joe Biden. And why didn't they do it six or four weeks ago, I think Super Tuesday forced a lot of voters to make one decision at once in the first place. Second, you had an amazing political act of selflessness. Amy Klobuchar could have won Minnesota, and it would have been a nice feather in her hood. and she said, no, that would be selfish. And Pete Buttigieg did the same.
shields and brooks on warren s farewell biden s surge

More Interesting Facts About,

shields and brooks on warren s farewell biden s surge...

And then, frankly, you had a party establishment doing the right thing. But the most important thing was the grassroots voters who just looked at reality. And like a community, a community is more than a group of individuals. A community, people have common values. They feel the movements of others. And I don't really see the Democratic Party acting as a community, moving everything in one moment. JUDY WOODRUFF: What did you think? MARK SHIELDS: Wow, that was good, David. (LAUGHTER) MARK SHIELDS: African-American voters are the most strategic voters in the Democratic Party. They are not very given to empty gestures.
shields and brooks on warren s farewell biden s surge
And they want to remove Donald Trump more than any group in the electorate. And they saw, in Joe Biden, a means to do that, and the instrument, and they saw in Bernie Sanders an obstacle to that. And they saved the Democratic Party. JUDY WOODRUFF: In South Carolina, you mean. MARK SHIELDS: In South Carolina. They redeemed it. And I don't disagree with the points that David made. They are good. But I think Donald Trump is the key to this. Donald Trump inspired, organized, and galvanized Democrats. The idea of ​​defeating him became something more than a concern or an interest.
shields and brooks on warren s farewell biden s surge
It is a primal passion. You can see it. Late decision voters, as David was saying, those polls changed, 40 percent of the people in North Carolina who made late decisions went to Joe Biden. Forty percent decided, they overwhelmingly went to Joe Biden. Same thing in Virginia, across the board. It was a very practical position. There is a difference between an ideologue and a pragmatist in politics. An ideologue believes that the right thing works. A pragmatist believes that what works is correct. And the Democrats were pragmatic in those elections. JUDY WOODRUFF: When we were here at this table a week ago, Democratic voters were still fighting, David, to do the right thing.
They were almost paralyzed with indecision. Something changed. DAVID BROOKS: Yeah. I think it was, well, partly it was South Carolina, which looked so strong, but actually, I think it was Super Tuesday. I think he had thought that the Democrats had made a big mistake by putting all these states in so early in the process. But it turned out that they only accelerated people's decision-making. So the fact that you had 38 percent of the delegates selected at this point meant they couldn't wait. And they had to make a decision. And what had been happening before for the past month was that they were floating.
And then you had people: Warren was up for a while. Buttigieg did well in Iowa. And they were just testing people. And then they said, OK, make a call. And so I'm thinking, I mean, the Bernie Sanders people are hoping there's another twist to this story. Personally, I think that's unlikely, partly because we're going to some states where Biden's lead, like Florida, is huge, partly, even in Michigan, where Sanders won last time, he's not doing as well this time. . with working-class voters like he did last time. And both Michigan, even Michigan becomes a more difficult state for him.
JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to get to Michigan in just a second. But, Mark, in the meantime, we haven't just had Buttigieg and Klobuchar defect. Michael Bloomberg, who spent, as we've all said, half a billion dollars on this race, retired, and then, as we know, Elizabeth Warren yesterday. How do you evaluate those decisions they made? MARK SHIELDS: Well, I mean, obviously, it's the hardest decision. It's a tough decision for anyone to run for president, knowing that virtually everyone who runs loses. But it's an even tougher decision to end a campaign. I mean, that's saying publicly, I've lost.
I have been defeated Michael Bloomberg did it almost analytically, it seems. There was no way to go. There was no avenue. He had a premise, which was the crater and the collapse of Joe Biden. And that stopped. And if that had continued, it would have apparently been an alternative. The other problem with Bloomberg, frankly, was that he didn't live up to his campaign. His campaign was much more convincing and interesting than him. And the second... JUDY WOODRUFF: You mean the ad for him. You were saying the ads about him, right, right. MARK SHIELDS: The announcements of him - that he was a person.
He was just a. he was a very uninspiring and uninspired candidate, when he saw him on that stage. The other mistake he made, and he didn't think about it at the time, was on August 5, 2012, when he hosted a fundraiser at his Upper East home for a Republican senator from Massachusetts named Scott Brown. Scott Brown was being run against... opposed by Elizabeth Warren. There's an old saying in Massachusetts, don't get mad, get even. She got both. She got angry and retaliated. She kneed him. She never recovered. That was... Elizabeth Warren is another case. But go ahead. Come on David, but I'd love to argue.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Yes. MARK SHIELDS: I think she's a mystery to me. I mean, she... I thought she was a phenomenal candidate. I really did. I mean, she had great energy. JUDY WOODRUFF: And she was leading last October. MARK SHIELDS: She was leading. JUDY WOODRUFF: Right. MARK SHIELDS: She could have...she made a mistake. She was honest. I think she made a mistake in endorsing Medicare for All. But then she was honest about paying for it. And that... if you're Medicare for all, you have to be a purist, and you don't get into... like Bernie he doesn't get into how it's paid.
Once he got into it, he lost her purity and also, I think, he stumbled. JUDY WOODRUFF: How do you view Elizabeth Warren? DAVID BROOKS: Well, a few different candidates here. One, Biden, I want to mention one thing, that he is a legislator, so he can build coalitions. And that's what it's like to be president. And with these other candidates, or even Jim Clyburn, he was going to come up and say, would you support me? And Bernie Sanders never made those calls or didn't have the set of relationships that Joe Biden has. So that's important in a president.
At Bloomberg, I started this thinking, you can't buy your way into -- votes in a presidential election. There are too many free media. Good ads don't. And I think there's a lot of political science evidence for this, that advertising, especially in a high-profile campaign, just doesn't work. And Biden, I mean, Bloomberg didn't help himself in the debate, but I don't think ads are enough to get votes. And finally, in Warren, I think the demographics are clear. She didn't have a huge gender gap. She had a huge educational gap. And the people who support her were college-educated people who saw this very smart, big-planning person that she was teaching at Harvard Law School.
And she never, wasn't, grew up in Arkansas, or in Oklahoma. And that side of her didn't come out. Honestly, when you meet her, she seems like a very smart Harvard law professor. And a lot of people just didn't relate. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, speaking of -- just moving quickly, Mark, to the challenges now facing Biden and Sanders, Michigan next Tuesday. David just uploaded it. What are the challenges facing Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden right now? MARK SHIELDS: Well, Joe Biden, first of all, he's Judy, and he's a challenge to anyone running for president, and that's to sit down and tell the American people in two minutes, not to mention his opponents. name, not to mention Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, why he should be president of the United States.
Joe Biden has told us that he is not Donald Trump and that he is not Bernie Sanders. But I'm not sure anyone really understands what a Biden presidency would look like, other than Donald Trump. And we saw the limits of a non-Donald Trump campaign in 2016. So I think that's the first thing. There has to be, either the drive of a driving dream, or two things that he wants to accomplish in his first four years and how he's doing it, I think that's necessary. JUDY WOODRUFF: Let me interrupt you. Has Joe Biden done that? DAVID BROOKS: I agree with Mark.
He has to tell the Trump people, the people who support Trump and the people who support Sanders, to do it for a reason. Something is not working for them. But I have an answer for you. You basically have to say that with a set of specific policies. JUDY WOODRUFF: And Sanders. MARK SHIELDS: And the Bernie issue, I think, is a constitutional issue, personally. Bernie is not looking for allies. He does not seek to enlarge. He looks like he has to pass a litmus test. I mean, it's the Bernie brothers. I mean, if you don't agree 110 percent, which I think you are, he's not a coalition builder.
He is a lone eagle. He is a lone wolf. That is his strength, and it is also his greatest responsibility. JUDY WOODRUFF: That's his point about not reaching... reaching... (CROSS-DISPLAY) DAVID BROOKS: Right. And I do think this race really only changes if Biden really looks brittle in a debate, he really gets squashed in a debate. I think that's the… if he's going to change, it's going to be because of, oh, he's too old for that. JUDY WOODRUFF: We'll see. Once again, Michigan next week. Bernie won quite a bit last time, 2016. We'll see. MARK SHIELDS: Bernie is doing worse in every state this year than he did four years ago.
JUDY WOODRUFF: That he was four years ago. So we'll see on Tuesday. And then there's the week after that and the weeks after that. Finally, and very quickly, the coronavirus is spreading throughout the world. It is spreading across the country. Every few hours, we hear about another city or another state, David, where he is attacked. How is this president, this administration leading in terms of instilling confidence in the American people? DAVID BROOKS: Well, we saw. we had the report on the story from The Atlantic that had very few people getting tested. That sounds scary to me.
The most important thing is to give honest information that doesn't seem political. And this happens to be an area of ​​government where we have very qualified people. Debbie Birx, who has been with an Obama appointee, Anthony Fauci. Francis Collins, the head of the NIH, was another Obama, just put those people in front. Take Mike Pence and especially Donald Trump off the air, because he seems hyperpolitical. JUDY WOODRUFF: And... MARK SHIELDS: It's a time, Judy, where you want the president, the leaders, to be measured, considerate, reassuring, factual, and informative. And whatever Donald Trump's strengths are, they are not based on fact.
It is not based on thoughtful and measured. If you saw it in the initial tilt of him, it's a hoax, it's the fault of the press, it's the Democrats, politicizing it, and in some ways it's a threat to the Dow Jones, which is a threat to re-election. I mean, we never got into public health. And I think it would be better if he retired and let others speak for the country. JUDY WOODRUFF: I mean, you've raised questions, David, about what the mortality rate really is today, about how many kits are available. He was criticizing Governor Inslee.
DAVID BROOKS: He attacked Inslee. Yeah, I mean, it's just... he's out of control. He is like a sick person. But, and this is the moment when you really need the confidence that the people have the health of the country, and not their own political health. JUDY WOODRUFF: But they're not… they're not going away, Mark. I mean, they are... the president and the vice president will continue to appear on television every day. MARK SHIELDS: No. But, Judy, you're on TV, but you're on TV, you're on TV discussing this, I mean, or do you differ? I mean, the problem with Donald Trump is that he can't differ from, I mean, a Francis Collins or a Tony Fauci or people you really know, because they don't deliver his message.
I mean, I really think he hurts himself by doing it. And it's almost the Kellyanne Conway, counterintuitive, counterfactual, or what was that phrase? JUDY WOODRUFF: Alternative facts. MARK SHIELDS: Alternative facts. I mean, that's what we're dealing with right now. JUDY WOODRUFF: Mark Shields, David Brooks, thank you. DAVID BROOKS: Thank you. MARK SHIELDS: Thank you.

If you have any copyright issue, please Contact