Seth Joyner RIPS Eagles Coaches In-Game Decision Making in Week 1 | Pond Lehocky PostgameSep 11, 2023
The Eagles after the
gameappear on live hockey from Ocean Casino. I'm Mike Missanelli with Derek Gunn Seth Joyner and we're joining us for this segment. Mark Farzetta is back, so let's retrace the steps of this
gamebecause it started with an Eagle. Drive, okay, they're moving the football game well, carrying the ball well, they got little passes in the middle of the field, it was pouring rain, a quarterback tie gives him a first down, it's a layup line nine yards, but then the third and the goalies, Jude, intact. he gets the sack there, forcing the Eagles to score a field goal after a 14-play drive.
Bill Belichick is the master of the trick and he and Judah went in unscathed and I don't think they expected that hopefully the Eagles would be able to chew. They spent a lot of time on the clock, they got three points, but you can see that this team has spoiled us. We wish this team had spoiled us and we understand it's the first game, but we expected the offense to roll out, just roll out. and in the first series they were shooting the field the same but they didn't finish it like we're used to seeing it, those things that they'll see in this movie and they'll make adjustments and luckily for them, I'll be back on that horse in a short
weekand hopefully see a much more fluid offense for this team.
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seth joyner rips eagles coaches in game decision making in week 1 pond lehocky postgame...
I always think it's a mistake to postpone what the Patriots did to get the ball in the second half and get the Eels. the first advance of the game that invariably knocks teams down, I mean, all of last year, the same thing happens what's the strength of that Patriots team, the defense, yeah I want my depth when I know I have definite strength, I want that strength on the field and understood that his defense had a better chance of facing the Eagles' offense in his office. Yes, you're playing right into their hands, but you limited them to three, although yes, get all three.
coachesdo that because You're trying to steal extra possession, you know that, if you can get the ball right before the end of the first half and score and then come back and have the first possession in the second half. Now you've got skill, you steal possession and really, back to back so that's what they did today so New England New England had 13 possessions the Eagles only had 11 possessions today so they got the field goal by 32 yards, all three swim and then the big play happens, the slave picks six later. drifts out of kendrick bourne's hands falls right into uh slay's hands runs 70 yards uh at that plate did i notice mac jones made a halfhearted effort to try and tackle him?
Are we in the area where a quarterback can't make a tackle? to save a touchdown because they are very valuable, no, they can, you just know they have been frowned upon. The mentality is that if you get hurt trying to make a tackle because you threw an interception, you double the injury. the team, yeah, so let him have the second, all seven, let's go back and try to get him back at the next position, okay, it's a risk and reward situation, okay, and then they get another turnover, it's Jordan Davis with a great play. out uh Zeke Elliott Earl's friend Zeke gives up and uh the Eagles rally at the New England 26 leading to a five yard touchdown pass that hurts Devonte and all of a sudden, You know they're up at the 16-yard line to nothing after missing a p-a-t.
Well, I know you were blaming Elliot for that, but it was a slippery bar of soap that came off Sipos's hands in the grip, left him lopsided, why are you pointing at me? Man, no, I said, I said, oh, he can kick a 57-yard run. field goal but he can't kick it, yes, the head of the seat couldn't hold it, it slipped out of his hands, he got a little nervous, he told me, I don't listen anymore, it's okay, what's up, what's up in the, in he. the game room stays in the game room the other guy who wanted cameras on the green uh telling family secrets there right now in this little second room in front of the cameras the
eaglesoften slowed down the patriots defense a bit i thought that it adjusted pretty well Seth what What were they doing there?
I think it was a combination of things. I think when they got to the second half, I think the Eagles felt like they couldn't run the ball, so they really moved away from trying to run the ball and keep the ball. the offense, keeping the defense honest and, you know, they had a good mix of coverages where you know they play their guys, you know, five down, you know, a straight line, sometimes five, sometimes , six, sometimes seven, depending on what the down was and the distance. and they play Man from there, they play zone from there, you know, they drop a guy and take the first Crosser.
I mean, just, you know, and a single stop, you know, Bill did a really good job, you know, when you do that. Defense is a little bit hazy, so for a quarterback, you know you see five linemen down, you know they're probably going to attack five, you know, and then you see Five Guys on the back line, so it's like you had five linemen down and five linebackers so stop talking and then you have a safety and there's nothing defined because they're dressing up all the time, they've got a line on their back and they're dressing up all the time, then the ball breaks and a guy falls and the other falls.
Back in, that one goes to the ground, this one goes to the hook and the quarterback says, "Okay, where the hell did I go with the ball?" and then the whole game I was watching The Reef play and I thought our wide receivers weren't getting anything. no separation, none at all and in many situations and that is really unusual for this offense. I mean, think about it, when was the last time we saw a wounded Jalen being pulled out of a pocket the kind of frequency he did today? He palmed the ball, he couldn't run it because someone was there waiting for him.
How many times did he throw the ball out of bounds out of frustration, more than we're used to seeing? So give credit to creditors. There was a play. It's a little overlooked now, but I wrote it because I like an aggressive attack better. They had a third-and-10 deep in New England territory and gave up the position with a run up the middle for two yards on that play. I hope they shoot Farsi on a third down. I mean, trusting their quarterback, who was almost MVP last year, that first play where he had third-and-long where Jalen hurts, he had the first down rush and that was a great play, but on that play In particular I expected a little more.
He was giving up possession if he expected to see any of that aggression we had seen in previous years with Shane Steichen and Nick. sirioni didn't necessarily see that nowadays, when it comes to Brian Johnson and Nick siriani, you have the weapons here on offense to try to achieve something bigger and not just take a shot but actually make a play happen for this offense. chance to get momentum back in your favor and instead they pretty much punted on that play they made and punted four times in a row so at 233 and New England takes over at the 37 they use midfield huh Vic, they were victimizing. linebacker box in safety box and then finally a great shot by Mac Jones gets Kendrick born 10 straight completions to Mac at that point Seth 16-14 sneak back you know it was a confluence of things because you know it from the principle From what you saw, I don't know how you saw Sean decide to put some pressure on and it's different than Blitzen pressure, he brought in Christian Ellis, he brought in Kobe Dean a couple of times, so even when they're on his front of four men, he would bring. an extra guy and that was the essence of his pressure, but they did a poor job of hiding it before the snap.
Matt Jones picked it up and he just either tossed the ball or took it out of his hand real quick, so as the game progressed he became less and less aggressive than he was in the first half, you know, so they're in a Kind of, you know, tell the story, you know, when the pressure on the quarterbacks doesn't come the way you expected and it did. "And then you start putting pressure on it and you can't disguise it well enough or you know you're putting it on and they still have a way of picking it up, so that pushes you back to being a little more conservative." I'm pretty sure Nick Sariani said, Hey, you know that's two first downs.
Okay, you went, you chased him twice and you didn't make it. Let's get back to this unless Bender doesn't break it. This is where I see the straight Bill O'Brien. effect on Mac Jones Mac Jones did a very good job, but once he felt the outside pressure instead of going in and hitting the turf, he did a very good job of sliding up, sliding left, sliding right to avoid the players. boys came towards him, which bought him. It's time to get the ball up the field, especially once the offense got going as he began completing 10 consecutive passes.
You didn't see Mac Jones last year as confused by the coordinators who had taken care of him last year, but Bill O'Brien is very good at identifying the strengths of a young quarterback and taking advantage of them. Mac Jones doesn't have the strongest arm, but what he is is a very smart quarterback. Going back to his rookie season, I mean, he set a rookie record for quarterbacks. with 300-something consecutive attempts without throwing a pick the kid was rising up all of a sudden you bring in Matt Patricia as your offensive coordinator and all of a sudden it flips now you bring back a quarterback Guru that will help this Patriots team overall in the long run you can see those traits where he's going back to where he was as a rookie.
Yeah, you definitely saw the difference in training him and how much more absolutely comfortable he looked in that pocket and manipulating the pocket today, but the interesting thing to me. it was how he dealt with the blitz because I felt like we saw a lot more Sean Desai versus Jonathan Gannon blitz today than a year ago and that's what you were pointing to by disguising a blitz. I wanted to explain this because we did talk. about that and it happened in The Green Room it was the Reed Blankenship Blitz he had in the second quarter and he was late and that's putting it nicely but he was coming out of safety at full speed to try and get into the backfield and they were still able to complete the pass downfield.
I looked at you at that moment. I said it was a blitz and you gave me this look like that was supposed to be how that play played out because it seemed like it was one that played out late because you know there are these late attacks where you bring in safety you give them the look and with a snap of the ball what you expect quarterbacks to read is right to left and you get there while he's trying to read it but the problem is you know Mac Jones was taking the ball out of his hands yeah so if he had been shot from a cannon from where he was standing he never would have gotten there i mean there were times where there was a time where they sent both linebackers on a delayed blitz and they didn't even get close to him you know ?
But you have to choose your poison, you know? and the Eagles were never really in a situation where they got him. in third third and long, that's where you execute that kind of blitz and, to Sean's credit, he made a couple of running attacks. I mean, you saw Nikobe Dean take a hole. Sometimes you know there's nothing wrong with that. You know I like that because it gives that in the movie it gives other offensive coordinators and other head
coachessomething, excuse me, something to think about and something to wonder about as the game goes on and in their game plan so they know that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, you can't play.
I can't play it negative all the time, but I think if Sean decides to flag some things that I think he needs to do, they better succeed because if they don't succeed, you know Nick Siriano is more inclined not to. He's aggressive and probably has no problem telling you to dial again. It's one thing that the Eagles' defense did much better in the fourth quarter than it had in the previous three quarters. They got a better push in the middle which didn't allow Mac Jones to step up and shoot the ball and once they were held inside he had nowhere to go that changed the way he was looking at the situation at the field dig under one thing the one thing they're going to change this year as far as their passwords they're constantly getting a push in the middle with Jalen yeah and I also think Jalen will inspire Fletcher Cox from time to time when.
You know, Milton Williams played well today. I felt like so I think with the rotation they got me even Jordan Davis, I had half a second, yeah, you know, so I think with the sheer number of defensive tackles they've got, all they're going to do is go to be able to push. the pocket, the guys on the edge are going to have to be a little more disciplined in the way they rush. I watched Josh sweat it out run past the quarterback and I let Mac Jones step up today where you know if you don't hit us with that guy on a sprint right now inside two yards then you gotta speed up and once you get it, the field's shoulder evens out with the quarterback, you have to stop and work down because thequarterback can feel you there and once he senses that you are above him he will automatically take a step forward, so if you just stop there and back away you will fall right into sex, but they have to be a little more disciplined in the way they do it.
Running around the edges because all year long they're going to get pushed, yeah, now we're in the third quarter and the Patriots have the right possession and the last one. What you want to do is give up points there because they had scored going into halftime. and they give him the punt and the Eagles start to move him a little bit and a couple of things derail them, but my lot has control over that situation. I didn't think he played that well today and then so they drove the rails and got Elliott out for a 56, you want Tenth, the clock is ticking to the point where they have to call time, now how does that happen? play calling, I mean, listen, when you're coordinating plays, you almost have to be two or three players ahead in your play calling progression and sometimes you know there's an argument between them, you know you have a play coordinator. running game, you have a pass. coordinated play and also you have to have a proper offensive coordinator so that everyone is confirmed with each other on what we should do and how we should do it and sometimes you know you find yourself in those situations where the car stops or you they too I've got a guy on the field late, someone didn't get on the field and sometimes the quarterback comes in and makes a check, you know, late in the game clock and that's going to get the club talking about the field goal. , uh, try where he calls a timeout before they take the staff to the kitchen, so you never know, you never know what the circumstances are, you know, maybe Sue will pay you, you know, I was bringing water in there and I didn't know that the field they would run. the field goal, he was the guy who was late.
I'm just saying yeah, you know he was late or it could have been, you know, the normal guy that's supposed to be there, it could have been his backup, you know? and while he's over there, you know, chatting and having a conversation, you know, on the sideline, you know, they're like who's who is backing up so and so here I mean, it happens, man, it happens, uh, okay, so the Patriots after From that they got a decent boost because they get a couple holding penalties, one on Hunter Henry. I thought it was a really bad
decisionthat one really wasn't a hold it was a gift yeah the Eagles got a gift at that point so now we go into the fourth quarter and the Eagles on a third and seven incomplete to God or That was the goal we are talking about, they were incomplete on that field goal attempt, it is 48 yards and he makes it to make the score 22-24 and this is where the tackles are harvested.
Kobe Dean is now out of the game and this sets up the last part of this game where you know, listen, they get a 51 yard out to make the score 25-14. I came here to talk about what we're going to do. I talk about this post game show and all of a sudden what happened. I get out of the elevator and look at the screen. I see the Patriots have the ball and I'm wondering if they're repeating some scenario from the previous game and guys on their feet. behind me goes, you know, Jalen ran and fumbled, he got hit pretty good in front of the ball.
I'm like what and I'm thinking if they come in and score here, we get a ball, okay, you know, that happens. yeah, it was a wet surface, it happens you know both teams have turnovers, you know that, I understand mistakes happen, you happen to run the ball, it's there in any universe, any stratosphere where that should have been the play called for Jalen , it hurts to run a draw on that. play no and that goes back to a questionable play calling the office to your new offensive coordinator growing and evolving and today we saw some questionable
decisions in this game, you know it's easy to be an armchair, an armchair quarterback, yes, but that is one of the things that's pretty obvious and then I mean, look, I know Jalen hurts, he's always going to fight for every play and he's going to have that kind of Never Say Die attitude and that's cool, it's one of the things that you love them, but he's usually a more heads-up player than that.
He had yards, he got yards, yeah, duck, yeah, just quit while you're ahead at that point, he absolutely tries to go for the extra yard, up to that point it didn't make any sense, so the question is what. It was the move because I was on my way down the stairs right here and I'm like I'm going down the stairs. I wonder what the heck, how did they get the ball back so fast? So a lot of everything. It depends on the dish that was called because what you also have to realize is that when they call an RPO or they call a read option, okay, it hurts Jalen to read the situation, it was a quarterback draw.
I don't know because I didn't see it or it was a true RPO and the intention was how hard it hurts Jalen to run from what it looked like and you're right, this could be something totally different, but than what it looked like when we saw Jalen. hurts the run the quarterback ties like we did in the first quarter tonight it looked like this okay it looked like this by the way before they made the score 25-14 on the 51 yard field goal the Patriots go go for it on fourth-and-eight, which I thought was a questionable call. 53-yard field goal.
They could have used those points. At that point they get the first down because Hunter Henry makes a one-handed hurdle for the first down and then they get to the 17-yard line with 9:32 left. and instead of kicking the field goal, they go for it on Fourth-and-three. I'm missing some analysis, we talked about it early if they kick the field goal there, yeah, then when Jalen turns around and fumbles the ball, they're in position for another three that gives them the lead by one 26-25. Yeah, I'm sure these coaches, that you know, when they're in the locker room with their hands on their heads, like Bill Belichick probably was after this game, he probably thought to himself if he could have done it, he should have done it, already.
You know, I see that here is my problem. Bill Belichick is maybe the best, you know, yeah, and I'm doing well at the time, don't you see the value of three points? Wouldn't that differ a bit? analytics guy you gotta try, yeah that's what i don't get. Andy Reid did the same thing on Thursday night, man, he did the same thing they had, they had fourth and 25. with yes, with more than three minutes. he stayed on the clock, yes, he was confused and three and three timeouts were fine, but they tried it on Third and 25. punt the ball, put the ball up and trust your defense and take advantage of your three timeouts so you can get the ball back .
Come back for your quarterback, but you're asking Patrick Mahomes to do the virtually impossible when your wide receivers, you know, are getting better all night and couldn't catch a cold, you know, naked in the igloo, playing with oven mitts on all. Well, let's take a break because we have game balls coming up soon. Kayla will be back with us to give up the game balls and of course the thing about game balls is whether our producer Joe can always get the game balls on set on time. so this is a new year last year can we bring the game ball oh we don't have we don't have the game we don't have anything I'm about to say I don't even see you are, we're giving air, what are we doing here, we're Giving air balls, she's there now, there's no way to get the balls the 7th time, we know, flat out, let's take a break, it's the Palmer hockey
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