Russia invades Ukraine: Fighting reported in Kyiv | DW NewsMar 11, 2022
It is the second day of a war that until yesterday was unimaginable for many and the scenarios that the hour that has elapsed since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began remind us of times that Europe hoped to have left behind long ago metro stations converted into bomb shelters for civilians. they are arming themselves to defend their country in heavy bombardments in
kyivand all over Ukraine. The facts on the ground and the measures taken to contain them are moving fast and tonight we will show you what we know and try to make sense of a series of events. that has stunned and shocked the Europeans.
I'm Nicole Furlich in Berlin. This is the day against foreigners for months. It has reached the pulse and President Putin. I ask President Putin to stop the madness of this war. Now you can stop this bloodshed. you alone. They are responsible for stopping this bloodshed. I am convinced that Ukraine's democracy and independence will prevail. Russia will have to talk to us sooner or later to talk about how to end the
fightingand stop this invasion the world will hold Russia accountable for the directions welcome to the show we start the day with a conflict long predicted by the west but which considered unthinkable by many as Vladimir Putin's war against Ukraine enters its third day Russian troops advance families flee and civilians begin to take up arms caves the mayor says the city has entered a defensive phase and Ukrainian military vehicles are not entering the capital to protect it from Russian troops Air-raid sirens have been wailing in the cave and other cities prompting people to take refuge in metro stations Ukraine's government says at least 137 of its soldiers and civilians have been killed worldwide country Russia's President Putin has stated that he is ready to negotiate after Ukraine's follow-up Demir Zielinski raised the possibility of discussing a neutral status for Ukraine thousands of civilians have fled
kyivthose who remain are taking up raising their arms and preparing for a violent confrontation another terrifying one At the beginning of the day in kyiv, more bombs of destruction rained down overnight in Kiev than forced residents to flee Security in bunkers Tube stations and vendors with residents struggling to come to terms with their new reality ok it's hard but I'm holding on a nearby house caught fire and there were many casualties and we were waiting until seven in the morning in our apartment in the bathroom hallway until the end of curfew so i can come here i work here i feel mostly tired and anxious it's so strange none of it feels real yeah i don't even know how to relate to that about them soldiers on the streets of central kyiv and reports of shooting near the government district and on the edge of the capital an avi enemy that the Ukrainian army claims shot down meanwhile the president of Ukraine sent a message to Russia Russia will have to talk to us sooner or later talk about how to end the
fightingand stop this invasion the sooner the talk starts the less losses there will be . it will be for Russia itself, but in Moscow the Kremlin's repeated unsubstantiated claims suggest that there is no end in sight to the invasion of Russia the goal of the operation was openly declared demilitarization and de-Nassification we want the Ukrainian people or, as the president put it Putin, all people living in modern countries Ukraine have the opportunity to freely determine their future fate, but for most Ukrainians, the only future they are contemplating now is to stay in their homeland or flee.
We're going to take it live now to our correspondent Nick Connelly, he was in kyiv and so on. many others have been forced to flee Nick it's good to see you and it's good to see you're safe. Can you tell us where you are right now and how you got there? So I'm in Vinitsa which is about 200 kilometers southwest of Kia but it's taken me about 10 hours to get here pretty chaotic scenes as you saw in that report in kyiv this morning most people like that we have than spending the night in a people bomb shelter not having that would mean a subway station and then leaving the shelter to find the city dessert this morning basically no pedestrians on the streets very few cars only one police guy which seems real trying to protect the government neighborhood and center of kyiv and even though the curfew doesn't apply during the day most people try to stay at home trying to keep a low profile if they are not going out and then when we try to leave just an endless sea of cars heading south and west away from the main Russian offensives coming from the north and northeast of people trying to head straight for Poland towards l a big
ukrainecity live in west problem there is fighting within about 10-15 kilometers of that main road is pretty scary expect people to get stuck in endless traffic jams with serious fights going on nearby or trying to head to the southwest as we did but the roads just filled up desperately huge queues for fuel people trying to get money out of banks afraid that yes the banking system might collapse and their savings would be lost or at least temporarily inaccessible people trying to stock up on food but not losing hope and not panicking people actually did it They didn't raise their voice, they didn't see people fighting or trying to push in line.
I think there's a sense that even though people expected this to be just bluffing by Vladimir Putin, this was this political theater where on some level they were prepared for it and had the kind of emotional toll on everyone to deal with it all. this one of these last two days has been like for you and your team obviously we are in a privileged position foreigners we can easily leave you know if i were ukrainian right now no ukrainian man between 18 and 60 can leave the country without a particular excuse special, in theory, everyone can be mobilized for the military, um and uh, obviously, you know. if things get dangerous in Ukraine I have a plan B I have somewhere to go most Ukrainians don't have that and I think we've seen how hard it is to be in a bomb shelter because you just don't know where those are Wow, those explosions are coming from, at least as a newbie to this, it's scary in terms of not really understanding if you hear anti-aircraft guns, if you hear explosions, if you hear missiles, I think. that comes with experience my experience at don bass is that locals who have been exposed to this sort of thing year after year can distinguish between bigger threats and smaller threats and can decide whether or not to stay in bed. go out and run for the seller, but I think the most lasting experience here for me has been that calm and that kind of stoic response and you've even seen people helping each other, there were people giving to others. people elevators i saw a lady with a cat in some kind of travel box who was waiting for an elevator on the outskirts of kyiv huh seeing someone stop and ask her where she was going willing to take her to come over i think that it's the kind of lasting memory kind of nice people to be human being helping other people under great external stress, yes a lot of solidarity in these difficult times, what about the people who are left behind, they only hope for the best, they don't have a place to go or the means to leave? or are they just staying there and getting ready to fight I think there is a very strong motivation to fight here I mean you know the Ukrainians are at home they didn't seek this conflict it was forced on them by Vladimir Putin who had basically been calling the world and indicating that he was open to further negotiations, he had spoken to a man on my call the weekend before and he hinted that there was going to be a big summit and more meetings than you know about, the actual border crossing happened while the security council The UN was, uh, in action, was meeting in New York, so there's kind of a sense of revulsion here about that kind of deception and that attempt to basically deceive Ukraine and the feeling that you know these people are fighting at home in a territory that they know surrounded by civilian population that is on their side and so even if maybe in terms of technology in terms of equipment, in some things they might be a little behind what the Russians have, they're in a totally different position than the Russian soldiers who for the most part apparently don't understand why those arguments we've heard from the Kremlin about trying to detoxify the Ukraine, um, those are here. they are arguments that the main one and has hardly tried to explain to a wider public had apparently learned from his own soldiers.
Nick Connelly from W thank you so much and please you and your team stay safe. European Union leaders agreed to impose new sanctions on Russia over its war against Ukraine, but once again abstained. k to remove Russia from the global Swift payment system after resistance from some countries, including Germany speaking from Brussels EU foreign policy chief Joseph Murray confirmed a freeze on Russian assets that will include Russian President Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister sergey lavrov so president putin and foreign minister lavrov are on the list of sanctioned persons along with the remaining members of the Duma who support this aggression and also with rival members of the Security Council Russian secret for more information on this, let's bring our correspondent in Brussels, Marina Strauss Marina, what else can you tell us? on these latest EU sanctions, the fact that President Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov are on this list of new EU sanctions is highly symbolic because it is the first time their leaders have targeted a leader
russian so this is symbolic but some say it's still symbolic because the idea is to freeze protein and lavrov assets in the EU but it's not clear what kind of assets they have though and if it will really hurt them in any way way.
German Foreign Minister Analina Bear Book was here in Brussels this afternoon at a Foreign Ministers meeting on Ukraine and Russia and she said that these sanctions are meant to ruin the Russian economy and she also said that Germany did not support cutting to Russia of the Swift payment system because it believes that targeting Russian banks was a much sharper sword. Let's keep talking about Swift because, sanctions-wise, it's considered the right nuclear option to cut off Russia. of this global internal banking system, but uh, Germany is not the only country, um, among the members of the EU does not want to go there yet, why is it that the thing is when the foreign ministers are in general when the EO leaders have to make a decision on foreign policy?
It always has to be unanimous so they agreed to this sanctions package and some say it's harsh but hey you said it Swift is not included because France for example Hunga. ry Germany Italy was still against it and Germany's reason is mainly economic because Germany is very dependent on Russian gas and if you can't pay money for Russian gas because Russia is isolated from this system then maybe Russia will say oh no, we no longer deliver gasoline and then Germany clearly has a problem so this is where we are now but also Burrell, the chief diplomat, the chief diplomat is, who we just heard speak, he said that Swift is not off the table. is not completely off the table and that a third sanctions package could be discussed in the coming days or weeks if Russia decides to escalate further DW Marina Stauss correspondent for us there in Brussels thank you very much when the bomb is full in kyiv they fall on Europe this is happening in Europe not only in Ukraine when missiles kill our people it is the death of Europeans I demand greater security for Europe greater protection for Ukraine as part of a democratic world pressure from Ukraine ident they are repeating please to the world and Europe in particular to come to the aid of Ukraine for more information on this, let's bring in redislav Sikorski, former foreign minister of Poland and now member of the European Parliament for the rights center Civic platform Mr.
Sikorski thank you very much for joining U.S. Let's go straight to the point. Europe has abandoned Ukraine. I will answer your question, but let me first correct the information from your previous speaker. Germany is no more dependent on Russian gas than any other country. About a third of its gas comes from Russia Poland 70 percent gets most of its gas from the North Sea and North Africa and from its own economy The minister has said Germany can survive without Russian gas It's not about hitting german homes it's about profits from some petrochemical companies um if we want to stop putin we have to make sanctions that work the sanctions that have been put in so far will work in a matter of months or years whereas swift works almost immediately and led to Iranians at the tableof negotiations on the nuclear program, so I think this is a sanction that President Putin would notice and we would be 70 percent dependent on Russian gas who is willing to inflict the pain of that. on ourselves, so social Germany, everyone will have to make sacrifices on this, the former president of the European Parliament, Donald Tusk, the president of his party, sent a message on Twitter today saying: "I'm going to read it to you in this war, everything is real".
Putin's madness and cruelty Ukrainian victims Bombs falling on kyiv Only his sanctions are faked EU governments that blocked difficult decisions Germany Hungary and Italy have disgraced themselves You retweeted this message Mr Sikorski which would have been an appropriate response from The West to this aggression in your opinion well, actually I'm in Washington and I haven't talked to my party leader recently, but I'm glad that we agree, uh, you know, that the sanctions have to be proportional to the provocation, you know, some countries have sent Ukraine their weapons to defend themselves, the United States, Great Britain, Poland, the Baltic states, um, Germany, just very reluctantly agreed to suspend Nordstrom as well and buying gas and oil from Russia means financing the war of Putin, let's be very clear on this, do you want to finance Putin's war and Putin and those around him are used to sanctions and it is said that even do they have them? factored into the calculations of this war, right?
Do you think tougher states like taking Russia away from Swift would do more than just annoy you? Well, this is the key distinction that they are used to sanctions against Russia because they will not pay the price for those. sanctions, their fortunes are hidden in tax havens in London and the Caribbean, where a swift would work immediately and, of course, the most urgent of all is to send Ukraine the weapons to defend itself. Germany makes very good weapons. It's, um, if you don't help Ukraine now, we're going to have to spend a lot more money for a general arms race with Russia and you can't guarantee anyone that Putin will stop at Ukraine if you read his Manifesto from July last year and listened to his unhinged speech to the
russian people full of lies, this is a man whose cuts with reality, this is a man on a megalomaniac megalomaniac journey for some kind of imperial glory and yes, excuse me.
I'm going to have to interrupt them there. Ukrainian President Volodimir Zielinski in the face of all of this has been very defiant since this attack began, but he has also been reaching out to Russia and offering to sit down and talk. Let's listen quickly to what he says to him. he said today and then I'll get back to you, Mr. Sikorsky. I would like to address the Russian president again. There are fights all over Ukraine. Let's sit down to talk about ending people's deaths. That's a sound bite from today, now, Mr. Sikorski. Russia has signaled its willingness to talk in Belarus about what the Kremlin calls the neutral status of Ukraine.
What do you think about that? Well Ukraine has a neutral status and has just been attacked. h to talk because putin simply has to get his troops home how can you do that because we are in the middle of a war and the west or parts of the west are not willing to go where you think it would really hurt? Putin, so what can be done? They need to change their minds and start helping victims of unprovoked assault. This is a war of conquest. Ukraine has done nothing wrong to Russia, it just wants to be left alone and Mr.
Putin should bring his troops home. What has to happen for those countries and those leaders to change their minds and get them to act? You have to raise the price of aggression by imposing sanctions that work, namely fast, making Europe less dependent on Russian energy, for example by creating a Gas Union and buying Russian gas collectively by actually going after your Club's assets from kleptocrats his own money stolen his family's money there are things that people like me have been discussing for years and you had this lying to you h cares about russia like hypersensitivity now is the time maybe the last time to get a true member of the European Parliament and former foreign minister of Poland with a very clear message thank you for your time pleasure now let us bring to the record she is an expert on European affairs and transatlantic foreign and security policy at the Brookings Institution and she is joining us from Washington now thank you very much for your time many analysts thought that russian president putin would not invade
ukrainewe are s now in 36 hours you were surprised um I'm afraid I wasn't um some friends have been calling or texting me to remind me that obviously with all these events I had completely forgotten that I had warned about this uh well before Christmas, um, I have to tell you that I've actually been worried about this. for a long time and when I read the kremlins to quote in quotes draft treaties that they submitted to the US and NATO for immediate signing without changes a few days before Chr istmas I thought that this is what there will be a war and not it will only be about Ukraine, so I was hoping that it could be avoided, but it didn't make sense in the last few weeks I had the feeling that the dialogue was getting somewhere.
Do you think the West has done it? grossly underestimated food well i think the west has been in a state of complacency and denial i would say for at least a decade and certainly in the last few days and weeks um i think you know sometimes people don't believe in what that it has the strength to bear and I think that's how denial works and now we're finding out that it was necessary important to take Putin at his word I think we still have to do that and we're still not listening close enough and it's a really hard Awakening, but people are really suffering, we are not the ones who should feel sorry for ourselves, we are shocked by this denial, the people we should feel sorry for are the people who are being killed in Ukraine sorry i am angry and not I can hide it, forgive me, understand yourself, speaking of listening to Putin, who started this invasion by saying that his country felt threatened by the west and by NATO, now more NATO troops are strengthening the eastern flank, is that right?
I approach with him. Think about it. Look again. My first concern is to prevent the human tragedy in Ukraine. Nothing else matters that much and I'm not sure Putin is desirable. Now we can feel that we would like to punish him and I think that the sanctions that are being imposed now will punish him and his inner circle, uh, the risk, I think is to impose more sanctions that would also punish the Russian people. I think that's a risk with the Swift debate because, frankly, I have very mixed feelings. about but I think the exclusion of major Russian banks from international markets will have a massive impact on the regime um again of course we owe it to our most vulnerable smaller NATO member states on the front lines to help them send security, deterrence and defense, but again we have a huge massive humanitarian crisis in the Ukraine on our hands in something that has not been seen in Europe at least since the US lab wars of the part of the 1990s that I covered as a journalist and that may exceed those just for comparison in those years Germany hosted 400,000 refugees from Yugoslavia um the projections right now are potentially four million refugees leaving the Ukraine overall. i have to leave it at that because we are running out of time she is an expert in european and transatlantic foreign and security policy at the brookings institution thank you very much for spending part of her day with dw today thank you very much for having me
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