ROLLOVER || 4x4 OFF ROAD RECOVERY - I didn't get everything right!Jun 09, 2021
On our recent family vacation this Land Cruiser rolled over which created a very stressful environment and meant we had to recover the vehicle from an embankment, so in this video I will walk you through the entire process of recovering the vehicle. my thoughts about what was going on in my head and I'm going to use this negative experience to help us all learn what we can when we go into these really dangerous and unpleasant environments, when we're going around now, obviously I could criticize myself and I come to you like you know I was just wrong about some little things, but I really want to learn from this situation and help us all move forward well, so I asked a friend of mine, Robert Pepper, who is also a peer and mentor to participate and basically watch this footage with me, critique it, and bring a fresh set of eyes to the whole situation so we can all learn from this really negative situation.
What I love to do here at madmap four drive is build the four wheels. drive community and I love helping people learn how to get out and drive well now if that's your thing hit the subscribe button and then if you hit the bell you'll get notifications when we post videos let me introduce you. for robert, so robert is not just a fellow, he is a youtuber and he is the author of four books in the four wheel space, so he really is an authority on this topic, so I really wanted to involve him in the critiques and reviews and reviewing this content with us, so welcome, Robert.
I really appreciate you being available for this video. Thanks Matt. I am very honored that you asked me. Thank you on behalf of the entire community of drivers around the world. It's not often you do that. Watch a careful walkthrough of a
recoverylike this, so I think it's something we can all learn from. It will be a valuable community resource to let everyone know that Robert reviewed this footage prior to this recording and it was very much that he was familiar with this and knew what he wanted to bring to the table. I'm a bit of a storyteller, so I'd love for you to grab a beer, a coffee, or whatever you want to drink because I want to tell it to you. a story, so how did it happen?
Well, we were camped at Black Snake Camp on One and Gatter Road, which is in the Victorian Highlands of Australia, which is as big a mountainous area as we have here in Australia, so we camped there. We left the camp, there were four vehicles in the convoy, I was guiding it in my 105 series land cruiser, my oldest son was in his 80's series that you will see in this video, my partner Rod was in his 79 series land cruiser, my son was bringing up the rear. of the convoy, we called him Charlie from Thailand and we were all going about 30 or 40 kilometers per hour on this
road, which was a very safe speed.
I thought we were coming and suddenly on the cb radio we heard mayday mayday I've gone off the
road, what are you doing with that? So I just picked up the radio and said what do you mean, it's like I went off the road. I'm fine. That was okay, we knew he was gone, you know he was okay, but I need you to come back and help me. The car is upside down. Oh what, then we turned around and started traveling back. Now we
didn't have to go far. maybe a maximum of a kilometer for me as the trip leader, so the first thing I would say is that it is a very smart thing for your son to do because every time he is in a situation where the trip leader or other people They realize there is a problem.
The first thing everyone wants to know is if you're okay,
right? And that's what you have to communicate, first and foremost, for him to say that it was a great presence of mind or to reassure everyone, because obviously the Ben 80 series can be arranged dubbed. people not so much and by the way I think I have already discovered what your problem was on this trip too many Toyotas lack of diversity and four wheel driving matt, you know you have to be a little more inclusive with all the makes and models than the land rover broke down before we'll leave that unbaited hook in the water and keep moving forward we arrive at the accident site and it's at the junction of Watergata Highway and Scrubby Creek track, it's kind of a closed left hand drive.
It's our turn now, my son just got his license and has had it for about six weeks at that point, so he doesn't have much experience with his driving skills, although you obviously try to teach them as much as you can on things he doesn't have yet. experience, so He went around this curve, entered the curve too fast and hit the brakes. The problem with that is that I suspect he kicked the rear of the vehicle out, so he corrected it and then, as I taught him, even though he applied it incorrectly. As I taught him, he started off but now his wheels are pointing in the wrong direction.
It has the power being an all-wheel drive vehicle. He jumped off an embankment, yes, down that dirt road. I think it's interesting to reflect on the differences between an older vehicle like the 80 and a modern vehicle, say a 200 series, so all modern vehicles have stability control and you can leave it enabled for driving on dirt roads because basically, if activated. too much you are driving like a fool or you are not being smooth enough and that may well have kept the vehicle on the road too if there are no abs in the 80, as soon as you lock the brakes you no longer have control of the steering, whereas With ABS you don't necessarily stop faster, but you can certainly retain some form of steering control, and in fact, there are pros and cons to the crash itself with a modern vehicle.
I think US standards require five times the weight of the vehicle on the roof before it warps or something quite often, so if it rolls it's pretty safe, but if it had been a modern vehicle with airbags it's probably that the airbags would have gone off and that would have caused a huge mess inside, whereas with the older model. In the vehicle, the airbags haven't deployed and so you don't have that kind of pain and mess to clean up there, so you know the pros and cons to consider in new and old vehicles. Now we have all made mistakes. in our lives and many of us have gotten away with it, my son
didn't get away with it.
Now I'm not going to tolerate anyone bagging inexperienced drivers or anyone on my channel, you do that. I'll be blocked, okay, it's pretty simple, pretty straightforward, let's have a conversation here where we all learn from this negative experience. Let me set the stage for how I went through this experience and my emotions and my headspace at the time. in vacation mode the last thing I want to do is something like this I have my son involved in a very serious accident which is obviously stressful for me I am embarrassed by the situation I don't really know why I should be embarrassed but that was an emotion I was feeling at the time .
I was also really disappointed for myself and my son because we had both invested many hours of energy and effort into this vehicle. We had restored this vehicle from an absolute disaster to a fully equipped Twin Reduction Gears, you know it had them, if you wanted it, this vehicle had it, so we turned it into something really beautiful and really cool. My son was extremely proud of it, so you know he bought the vehicle just like him. I paid money for it and for the construction, so he didn't get a gift from us because I don't believe in that, so I was really disappointed that all his hard work in one month went down the drain, so to speak. .
I also felt very angry, but that was an emotion I was trying to manage because I thought, why didn't you know? I also wanted to get angry at my son and I shouldn't direct my anger at him. But that's how I felt. I felt like you know you're a stupid idiot. Why did you do that? Why didn't I ever tell him any of that? Because but but it was there in me but I knew that wouldn't help. He was one of the first things he said and I admired him when he stood up, he said or I think actually the moment we got him out of the car he said dad, this was all my fault, it's all on me and I really respected that.
That's why the last thing he needed was his father, whom he has great respect and esteem for. The last thing he needed was for me to attack him so that the element of anger would be inside me too, so let's talk about respect before we do that. that and I think it's amazing what his son did there to say that it's all up to him, which isn't normally what I'd expect a young man to say, but I also think you're doing an amazing job making this video with warts and all. from explaining what's going on and talking to people, there are so many lessons you can learn from this and I'm not just talking about the winch setup, which we'll get to, but the emotions you seek and how to deal with them. that, just so you know, on behalf of the four wheeling community, this is a really cool video, Matt, thanks buddy, I really appreciate it, so let's talk about getting to the accident scene and how it all went, so being on vacation, I'm in a a pair of shorts a t-shirt and a pair of thongs for you Americans, those are flip flops, not that you know they're not those now, a pair of thongs ain't what you're up to to use to go down that type of embankment, so I took the It's time to put my boots on because I remember knowing that my son was safe, he wasn't hurt in any major way, he had told me that and I was talking to him too , so I grabbed my boots, which I always have on hand.
Exactly for this reason, now I start to go down the embankment, it is very slippery and steep and in fact, you will see in some of the pictures
righthere on my leg, I have blood coming out because while I was going down I slipped. and I rubbed my leg quite badly and got a gravel rash and it hurt, but hey, I was much more worried about my young man. I also knew that the vehicle could be quite unstable and could be ready to roll again, I don't know. At this point, as I approach the vehicle, I look at how it is locked into the landscape and notice how the rear end is hooked into the tree, which gave me a good degree of confidence that it was safe to go. to the underside of the vehicle, which was obviously the dangerous side of the accident scene, but I tell you that I was more interested in getting my young man out of the vehicle to do it, that my older son came and gave me a hand and the seat belt Safety was holding my young man in his seat quite firmly, so much so that we couldn't unbuckle the button and seat belt, so we had to lift him into the seat, reduce the pressure on the seat belt and then we could. to get him out as you can see he was fine and other than a few bumps and bruises and a very damaged pride he was fine now his mother is a nurse so we took him to the top of the hill and made sure he was okay.
Let's talk about the equipment I had on hand to perform the
recovery, so since this is a touring or landing style trip, not a weekend, I'm going to go and find the hardest type of fall I can, type trip I took. I didn't carry a lot of recovery gear with me but I did carry a basic kit because you never know what you're going to need so this is what I call my grab kit now I just have some basic gear I carried with me this is a quick fix for rope repair this is my hitch receiver to attach to the rear of the vehicle the factor 55 rope retention pulley two extreme duty factor 55 soft shackles and a tree trunk protector or a three extension meter which is very versatile But what I found is that with this starter kit I can perform a significant amount of basic recoveries and it has served me well for quite some time now, just as a side note, if you would like to support what I do here at madmap fall drive, there is a link below to a247 and you can buy any factor 55 gear there and i will get a small kickback which helps support the channel but if you use the code mad mat you will also get 20 off any order unfortunately that is only available for Aussies, if you're in the US check out Factor 55 on their website and I'm sure you can buy it from there.
Other than that, let's continue here now. I also had the blue series 105 land cruiser. I had an 11,000 pound winch run for the other two vehicles, my buddy Rodney who is here in the orange shirt has a 79 series land cruiser with double lock and then my oldest son has the lockable double, gray or silver , series 80, none of those vehicles have. However, he had winches, so unfortunately he only had one winch, which was a real disappointment. I would love to have been able to use the winch that is on the front of this vehicle, but since the engine couldn't run and all, I was not going to have enough battery life for this winch to be of any use to me for any recovery.
You have to make a plan now. My partner rides the orange shirt with the big beard he's been rocking the entire time. I have been givinglaps he and I are best friends and you know we would do literally anything for each other so having him there at the accident scene was amazing because he knows how I think I know how he thinks and I really appreciated his input. the situation that you will notice as the video progresses, he disappears, it is not because of anything negative, it is because he recognized that he had helped me have a plan, he would recognize that it was better to be left alone, so he I went to manage traffic and I went to Dargo to bring us some hamburgers for lunch, so we started thinking about how we are going to recover the vehicle and get it back on the road.
Two vehicles pass by on the road and they recognize who I am. They stop and come back and offer to help. Now I am very cautious on this point. I don't know them. I don't know his abilities. I don't know what they have to offer, so naturally I'm very cautious about involving them in what I know is a very complex and potentially dangerous recovery situation, so they came and started helping us, but the way in that Is that what I want to take up and applaud? They came with an attitude of service. Could. They recognized that I was stressed and had a lot going on in my head, so all they did was offer, as if I were making a suggestion. they offered to do it if I was trying to solve a problem with a humble servant's heart, they offered me an idea or a solution, so they were very helpful and that approach helped me, but it also helped me start to have confidence in their capacity and it was simply because they didn't come to me with oh, we know how to fix this stubborn approach and that's what I wanted to pick up on.
I thought it was praiseworthy, I take my hat off to you, you know, I shook your hand and I've thanked you a lot personally, but I say it here now publicly. Thank you very much for the way you addressed this situation. Yeah, I think that's a really good point because again we can talk about rigging and recovery and
everything. more, but it's very important to focus on the psychology of recovery because fundamentally that's what often breaks down the difference between a successful recovery or not and whether people are helpful or not and how they approach it.
I think you know that's exactly right. I think it might have helped too because they automatically knew that you knew how to do these things, they might have had a different attitude if it was just Joe Random, in which case you, I mean, you're probably in the same situation as me, you're thinking, okay? ? These people have an idea, if they do it, I'll help them if they don't, maybe I'd better be a little more assertive. I don't know if you've been sure you've been in that situation. At some point, yes I have and usually they drop the F bomb on you and you're fine, I can only do so much.
I'm not going to put myself in danger if I'm not welcome, you know what I mean, yeah. Exactly, now it's mid-morning, the sun is going down and it's very, very hot, my brain was running at 110, it was on full blast and it was really, really stressful and I was very aware of that, but I'm trying to really do it. good decisions all the time I also felt real pressure from being blocking a road which meant there was real stress I was trying to manage the whole time so I had another unexpected stress or challenge landing on my lap while we took off the guard against the wind, we connect it to start pulling the vehicle back on its wheels.
I start to winch up and nothing happens. What's going on here? And I notice that the winch rope is spinning on the winch drum. I'm like, oh man, how did I do it. On my previous trips, I made sure my winch was working before setting off and all that right in the middle of the recovery. Now I have to try to secure the winch rope to the winch drum. It took us two tries before we got there. went well and then we went back to recovery, you must be about to have your second or third beer or coffee by now, eh, anyway, let's start looking at the actual recovery and see what we can learn from this, not
everythingwent as planned.
This shows the terrain we are dealing with for recovery and the position of the vehicles. Now, for the first part of the recovery, we actually had the 105 series, where that mark is in the video that you'll see here. He stopped a little, that's Aaron just making sure he has tension on his belt and now he starts to turn to get the vehicle on its wheels. You have one line to get the vehicle back on its wheels, another line to hold it down. which is really good. You should talk to people about where you actually put a line to pull a car on its wheels, where you probably don't put it either, so in this situation I used a hitch receiver on the back of the vehicle thinking that would become my point of main recovery later in the recovery and that is what Aaron was tied to and my intention was never to disconnect from that point, so we did not have the winter rope go into the vehicle to pull it again. his wheel was attached to the chassis rail instead of extending up and maybe attaching it to the b pillar or something where it could damage the body even more and I didn't want to attach it to the slider in case you know I failed.
I mean, I think they're strong enough, but I know the chassis rail is strong enough now that the vehicle is on its wheels, but I'm not sure it's actually going to stay there on its own, so you can see, I get closer to see if. I'll calm myself down somehow, then I release the winch and the vehicle won't stabilize, so what we do is ask Aaron to pull the vehicle back a little bit to get it off the rock that the right front wheel is sitting on. This is the rock that I believe caused the vehicle to roll to the side if the vehicle had not hit this rock.
I don't think the vehicle would have been damaged that much now that it was back on its wheels. I repositioned the 105 series. so it's best to line it up to pull the vehicle back up the hill with the winch. Well, I love diagrams, so of course I had to make one of your particular incident here. Now I put a lot of effort into this, as you can see, it's excellent. diagramming there, I'd like to take a moment and admire the beauty of it, so this brown thing here is the road, there's your crashed 80d there and what I can see you've done is you put the 105 there now.
I realize that you are hanging the rear wheels over the ditch and I know why you have done that, because that will only increase the rolling resistance and prevent the vehicle from being dragged down the hill because otherwise on that type of road of low grip dirt, I would. certainly be dragged down the hill which is not good then you have a double line pull up to 80 and alternatively with winch extension straps which is great and you have a double line pull you have a ute in there with a safety line of winch extension straps and you have the other 80 in there again with winch extension straps so that's basically what you're looking at there.
I think now we start pulling the 80 series up the embankment and that goes well for a little bit, but then the 80 series starts to get stuck on some rocks and debris on the embankment, so Aaron gives me a pull and helps the winch and that It releases it once, but then it gets stuck again and we just couldn't get it out. to move, so we're trying to figure all this out at the moment, so here's an alternative way to fix it and again, it's not necessarily better, but it's always worth thinking about the options: there's your 80 accident, there's your 105. now you Notice that the 105 is much closer to the edge, and that's intentional.
We're doing a double line pull, but this time we're going to anchor it to the ute instead of going back to the 105. That will still give you your mechanical advantage and I have videos where I'll explain exactly how it works, but it means the anchor load on the 105 is halves and that means the 105 can get close to the starry 80 and then you're not tilting your winch goes up into the sky, you tilt it down a little bit and then that also reduces the air load and you can still have your 80 with the optional line there as your safety, so you know there are different ways to mount these things, almost an infinite number.
In many ways sometimes and that's just another option to consider when I look at that option. I really wish I had thought of that at the time because that would have given me a lot more resistance on the road surface and given me a firmer anchor. period because now I have eight tires on the road instead of just my four and it would have solved the problem of the break angle that the rope was making at the edge of the embankment, so I wish I came up with this idea. that's really useful and you can see I put the front wheels of the ute in the ditch so it has a lot of resistance there's just different ways of looking at it but that's actually very useful redirecting the mechanical advantage platform that's where we start to do the winch procedure and this really didn't want to roll, so I went down the hill and very carefully I might add, got into the vehicle, pulled it out of the parking lot and released the parking brake so the vehicle could roll and then I It occurred to me what if I could help drive with this, so I tried to start the engine.
It turns out that the motor was hydraulic. The engine oil had passed through the piston rings into the cylinders and therefore the engine was not turning, so I couldn't. I didn't start the engine if I could have started it, then I could have used the differential locks to help the winch, which would have made the recovery load much lighter, but I would have taken the time to figure out how to do the total. The situation was as safe as it could be now as we were pulling the vehicle up, this vehicle started to get stuck on some rocks and causing us pain so I repositioned the 105 closer to the 80 series and changed the angle at which we now pull my son's 80 elderly. series where they see him pulling and assisting the winch which really helped reduce the load on the winch.
Now you'll notice that we have this road embankment behind us all the time and that made this recovery really difficult because it just made everything so limited and that's why the 80 series is pulling at such an angle that it really wasn't ideal, but it was the best we could do in that situation now, at this point I was really happy because I got the vehicle up to here, the front was still on the embankment, so I decided to hook Aaron up and drag the front of the 80 series towards the road, okay, so it's hard to pull the front and turn there now that you and I discussed this, um first.
The time we looked for you you said that you had already been running at full speed for two hours. I totally understand that you're feeling that fatigue there and I think if you were a little fresh you would have looked at that and went oh yeah I could do a little work with the shovel, it made it a little easier as you can see that the wheels fronts sink there, or another tip I found in those situations, you can't. do it because your engine isn't running, it's actually having to turn the wheel if the wheel is turning, the car is really easy to tow, as opposed to if the car is just being towed like it's right now, I think.
The memory was also on, what I found in the past is that if you leave the steering lock off, the wheels will also find their path of least resistance, so the wheels of the vehicle would have turned in the direction we wanted. go too which would have helped so yeah I agree at this stage I was really fatigued and I think I was starting to feel like I was doing. Now I look back and I think I was starting to make some bad decisions, so it's probably just as well, this is the end of the recovery, yeah, well, that's what it's hard to keep going at full speed and, you know , all the stress of it all, you know again, this comes back to the kind of psychological recovery that should probably be discussed. that plus and how to keep humans operating at peak performance, never mind the winches and everything else, that's the end of the recovery, so we have a few more things that I want to share with you and help you understand this whole picture a little bit . more, but Robert is going to leave us now, Robert, I would like to thank you very much for your time once again and guys, if you could do me a big personal favor and that is go to Robert's YouTube channel and give him a subscription.
Press the bell to receive notifications from his channel. His channel is very different than mine, but his channel is a really deep dive into a lot of very technical content about getting back into four-wheel drive and operating your vehicles. It's just a wealth of knowledge that he brings to the table. to the table on YouTube, thanks Matt, I really appreciate it again. It's an honor to be asked and I think this is an incredible resource to go into detail about the thinking, thoughts and emotions of what was an incredibly amazing recovery.stressful and again I think thank you. you on behalf of the entire driving community around the world for just opening all this up, it's really great for me, my pleasure Robert, so let's find out what else happened after that, so what do we do after we upload the vehicle to the embankment?
Well, we had to get it. go and hopefully continue our journey, obviously all of these decisions were up in the air at the moment so the first thing I needed to address was the hydraulic motor, how did I do that? I took out all six spark plugs and started it and what did that do? It pumped oil everywhere, made a real mess all over the engine bay, but I didn't care one bit. I just wanted the thing to work. Fortunately, he had already overcome everything. my mate Rod had turned up with a burger so we had a burger, had a drink and relaxed a bit, which was quite necessary at the moment.
Now I ran into another problem and honestly to this day I am completely Baffled by this, I put the vehicle in drive towards the driver to drive it. I didn't drive. Absolutely zero. I'm thinking we damaged something in the accident. I checked the automatic transmission fluid. There is no automatic fluid in the gearbox I was driving when it went off the embankment there is no auto fluid anywhere at the accident site anywhere the vehicle nothing but there is no fluid in the car I don't know so I just We drive the vehicle towards Dargo where there is a small general store and some supplies and a campsite.
We decided to camp here for the day or night and Make a plan, reassess, rest all that, so there are some pictures after this, where I'm relaxing a little bit very relaxed while we try to get the vehicle running, fix it and right it a little and make a plan. enjoy those pictures, what happened with the automatic well, we put about five, four liters in it and got a drive that was excellent, it still wasn't registering on the dipstick, but the general store didn't have any more oil available, but we had enough to go ahead. So that was a start, these gearboxes when completely empty I think they consume around 15 liters of oil at the end of the day.
I managed to get oil here, there and everywhere we put 15 liters of oil in this transmission before it stabilized. Can you tell me how this thing got out of the embankment? I am completely confused. There are no oil leaks from this transmission after we stabilized it. We drove another fifteen hundred miles over another two weeks with this vehicle in these conditions. and I have nothing to say about it we enjoyed the rest of our vacation to the point whether we believe it or not we had other mechanical problems we put a fan in the radiator of this engine we wore out all the brake pads and some other drummers, if you want to see a video, it's linked above, we put it up a couple weeks ago anyway guys, enjoy this footage after I close it because you know it's just a little bit funny and it's not.
Well, you know whatever, but anyway, guys, I hope you learned a lot from this video. I have learned a lot. I've been reflecting a lot on the whole process since it happened and I would love for you to participate. Comment below what you think we could have done better and remember this isn't about having a bag and attacking people and being a keyboard warrior, if you want to behave like that I'll block you, okay guys look thanks. So much for watching it, I hope we learned a lot. There will certainly be another build video coming soon because we're going to do a body swap in this one again.
I'm mad, Matt, stay safe on the trails, Jimmy Bar. He's not here, although no, it's okay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who has experience with that rod, what's not to stop, dad, stop, stop, stop , I have a hammer, yeah, doesn't mean you have to use it, I still have a hammer, that's cool though. okay take it off yeah you've used it enough now i can't have my drink oh look this doesn't get all the credit the hammer gets involved in making it worse by preparing it i haven't prepared it it's kind like when you burn your toes and then you get a knife and then you scrape it full of black yeah ok ok those two front doors work lol they do the rest of the stuff.
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