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I want to talk about what happened in the last 24 hours. Presidential historian David Doug Brinkley said he describes the
president's confused middle state. his way through things before, but you take that and John Dickerson, he was really very shocking with Dickerson, he was muttering, he's rambling incoherently, that'll show, um, and then he just stopped talking and walked away that we've got him, do we have the Dickerson? blind eye, so while we get Jon Meacham, of course we can ask him the easy question about Andrew Jackson, obviously he was wrong about Andrew Jackson in the Civil War by about 15 years.
I want to ask you the most difficult. Question, do you follow Douglas Brinkley in his assessment that the President of the United States certainly for the last 48 hours seems to be in an even more confused state of mind than before? But yeah, I think you're right. Reading the transcripts is always fascinating because you get into the brain and start to see how much swagger there is in the image that came to mind. It was less about the confusion and more about it feeling more like a pinball machine or an arcade, you know it's just, it's just the steel ball hitting something, the bells go off and then it bounces and hits something else, and that's not the most reassuring image you want in a nuclear age at the highest levels, what was it? the Civil War line why nobody but nobody asked this question but I didn't ask any why nobody figured that out yeah baby and he started but nobody ever asked this question before but why did we even have a civil war I my mother had dementia for ten years that sounds like the kind of thing my mother would say today as people she would say people don't ask that question why we had a civil war that's beyond the scope that's something and i'm not trying to be anything here but very direct that's something a five year old might ask but that's not something any adult i've ever been around in my life would let slip from their lips because that has been the central question. about how America started with slavery as our original sin, you know, and how we got over that original sin partly through the Civil War.
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Mike, this is it, and I have a John Dickerson clip below that is just as disturbing. Question The question is one of the most frequently asked questions in the life of this country in the history of the United States. Jon Meacham just referred to reading the transcripts, which is an incredible experience to read as fascinating. I would also add haunting, they are very disturbing to read. the use of language for a
presidentis one of the most vital aspects of the presidency and if you are of a certain age with a certain attention span and I would measure it perhaps in people over 45 years of age. or they are not walking around looking at their phones are you used to a president using language to move things correctly to point things out one point emphasized the importance of things strategically and it is very annoying and depressing to read the transcripts of this particular president while he rambles in anecdotal improvisations about things that are critical to the future of this guy and he doesn't know and myka this is not this this is not about
trumpbeing ignorant this is not about
trumpnot reading books this is not about donald trump without know the issues we knew in the past and Alex just lined up for us if you want Donald Trump on The Today Show in the nineteen years ladies we'll show you Donald Trump now Donald Trump spoke in the 80's and how he spoke when we've known him for the better part of the ten years we've known him, but my impression was when we came back and saw a deluge of all these stories in the transcripts. options. d about this yesterday and I think it's worth mentioning on the show it's disturbing and it's not just what you're talking about in the potential you're bringing up but I tweeted stop talking when I'm what I'm really worried about is that there is no one absolutely no one in the White House that can make him stop talking there is no one everyone will say Oh certain people can get to him and there the secret weapon there is no secret weapon he is babbling left and right and I can just imagine your staff sitting there with their head in their hands said no one could stop you said it would be an honor yesterday to meet with a dictator who is one of the most heinous tyrants on the face of the earth they had to change their minds that he is not listening to no one well he just doesn't seem to remember what he said just five minutes ago he doesn't know his own position on a health care bill he's passing he seems confused this was this was the pres ident of the United States yesterday with John Dickerson it's just baffling CLEP I don't understand if President Obama gave you any advice that was helpful that you think he was really nice to me but after that we had some difficulties so no it doesn't matter you know words are less important to me than deeds and you saw what happened to surveillance and everyone saw what happened to surveillance across the city i thought ok you saw what happened to surveillance and i think that was inappropriate what does that mean? you mean sir you can figure that out he says as the reason i asked him since he said he called him sick and bad looking you can figure it out yourself he was very kind to me with his words but and when I was with him, but after that.
There hasn't been any relationship, but you stand by that statement that I'm for anything, just you can take it however you want. very b IG surveillance of our citizens I think it's a very broad topic and it's a topic that should be number one and we should find out what the hell is going on. I just wanted to find out, even though you are the other president of the United States. he was sick and bad because he stayed young anyway, you can take it however you want, but i'm asking because you don't want to make fake news.
I want to hear that the president is wrong. You don't have to ask why not. because I have my own opinions you can have your own opinions but I want to know your opinions you are the president of the united states that is enough thank you thank you very much Mark Helprin I think that North Korea is the most serious thing because by saying that I would like to be honored expressing respect and honor and saying that he would meet with him personally, what did he say? he tried to take it back but in the context of all these other things that he's talked about that he said is as disturbing for Japan as it is for South Korea and Mike said he would preside The opening words matter and talk for the talk over the course of a variety of
interviewsfor about a week with so much vagueness about the story and about his position on health care and then floating around the notion of having the honor of meeting the head of North Korea. where the inaccuracy and misbehavior of your behavior has an impact in the real world and Eddie said not long ago that we could be heading into a big major war with North Korea, I mean, and now I'm honored again, it's like we don't I would.
I don't remember what he said five minutes ago, you didn't know, it's very interesting, on the one hand, we've seen this regarding his hug, he put a quote from Putin, the call to Ottawa and Turkey, now the gesture to North Korea and also Philippines with New York T, there's a sense that there's Chintu strongmen so there's that element and then there's a sense of the clip about kind of a smug kid's reaction at that point instead of taking responsibility for what h I did well there's kind of a displacement and then the go reaction I'm just done and I'm going to sit down it's at a desk where I don't do anything I don't support anything and then there's your date I don't and for whatever thing and on the third point, though, is that it seems to make not knowing a good, I mean, there's a sense in which he says if the comments on Andrew Jackson don't know that just ignorance is a good, yes , and it seems to justify the people who are basic, not wanting to be well inf ormated and I find that deeply problematic for democracy ok so let's go to the Andrew Jackson clip we have North Korea which I want to replay in we played outside but it's worth watching but first , this is Donald Trump rewriting history at least take a look I mean if Andrew Jackson had been a bit later he wouldn't have had the Civil War he was a very tough person but he had a big heart and he was really angry because he saw what was happening g regarding the ease of the Civil War and there is no reason for this, people don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? well what he's done and all we're talking about is he's taking two unrelated things and putting them together as a couple of building blocks, one is this new interest in Andrew Jackson, which is largely coming from Steve Bannon.
I spent about an hour and a half with him in May '16 talking about presidents he admired and Jackson never brought it up Steve Bannon brought this into the conversation after the win saying this was a Jacksonian moment I think the president the president was here in Nash Oh, later, to cap the grave, it was associated with a population that once had a student, ever had a person at a book event, and seriously, ever had an adult tell you that the people don't ask the question about why we had a civil war. I know it's like why did we have to have that Civil War thing.
It wasn't slavery, which is completely wrong, there isn't, there's a whole level of scholarship, Myka, get ready, I was about to say land this plane right now, but there are a number of interesting questions about whether the war could have delayed. Lincoln was ready. allowing slavery to exist but not spread but that's not what president trump was talking about he wasn't concerned about the crittenden compromise of the winter of 1860 61 what's happening i think these different dots are often connected in ways wrong in your head and why wait just a curiosity eye pics back to y'all what why would we expect any different i mean you built your career built your temporary success not just making stuff up you know what you've done well we w would expect different because this is the president of the united states and he has surrounded himself with one of the strongest foreign policy teams we have seen in decades over the weekend.
President Trump called the North Korean dictator a smart cookie to talk to you or what. use of words mike i mean i hope more you have i hope you have the today show clips from the 80s find them if you want and you'll see we're not talking about you know if we trade is a huckster or not you know we're talking about how mentally there is a marked change in this man even in the last five years nowhere are you setting us up we have a feeling some of this is going and Professor Meacham would be a valuable addition in terms of continuing this conversation is this all of us who are parents of children and our parents before us would you put your child on a school bus at the age of six or seven going to school would you have an expectation when history is taught american history in schools and we don't teach american history as much anymore well as we should, but the combination of myth and memory surrounding the office of the president will be taught to children George Washington Abraham Lincoln that e It is being slowly chewed by the language used by this particular president and the way he uses that way I do not raise the cousin worried that he does not understand but it does not seem that he does not understand the office itself the primer that is invited but we could ask if Morris just for everyone who's asking why this discussion why now because it's gotten worse because it's gotten considerably worse even in the past I think Douglas Brinkley said the last 24 48 hours have been some of the most confusing confusing seems to be Among the strangest recent 24 hours in American presidential history, it was all a surreal mess in a confused state of mind of the president and I asked him twice what was going on with his mind.
Before reading this from Doug Brantley's career, we have followed Donald Trump, the last 24 hours have been very different, even from what we saw last year. I have all the examples that we've talked about, I think it's legitimate to talk about them, but I'm really focused primarily on North Korea, right, I know, but I'm just talking about whether we understand it. I think that's the most serious thing I ask him in general. However, does the president agree with Douglas Brinkley that maybe the past 24? Hours have been perhaps Donald Trump at his most confused, well I should go as far as diagnosing him as Brinkley seems to do from afar, but there is no doubt this is more than 24 hours with associated center.
What about the complex? What about the yes, okay, the last week is weird? Then we will attach strange. Has this been the strangest week? dealing with north korea n nuclear situation with health care tens of millions of americans that example we haven't really talked about not understanding on the question of what's in the house bill that level of confusion i explained howI didn't know what else it was. I mean there's some debate. The Wall Street Journal editorial page tries to bail it out a bit, but there's no question that people with pre-existing conditions will be worse off in some parts of the country, at least if the bill The House bill ever becomes law and he's saying it won't affect people with pre-existing conditions who will continue to be protected.
I'm all for talking about the broad spectrum of the last week, but what I'm saying is for North Korea, for people concerned about their health care, this lack of clarity, careless talk has real implications, but it's almost As if you were identifying those two issues, let's look at what he said on those and let's get concerned on a policy level and have a conversation. I'm going to say what maybe no one said, we'll do it again. I'm not sure she's okay, well, I mean, he looked at her. I think there is a cut. to realize but it's not getting worse it's getting worse and it's a much bigger problem worse than it's ever been and you talked about the AP interview and these other
interviewsthe president of the United States saying wow this it is much more difficult. mm-hmm so my last job was that there isn't a human being on the face of the earth who wouldn't understand that you were walking into the most difficult job of your life just look at pictures of presidents walking in and out of the White House and then he said wow, this is very difficult every day is very difficult I thought it was going to be easier I thought it was going to be easier than this and I think the cumulative effect of the last hundred days we are starting to see I think it's important I want to repeat no Mark' My point is I think that going from the consequences of this instability that it portends for the nation for the world I think it is important to emphasize that with regard to Andrew Jackson we can talk about Frederick Douglass's comment we could talk about him it's you know susan b's comment anthony regarding you know in terms of facing women he hasn't hasn't shown a whole in history over the course of the hundred days we could talk about policy change with regarding NAFTA, we can drop the healthcare line, you know, the 200 line is fine, wait, NAFTA is another great example where he says he basically tells everyone that I'm going to get rid of NAFTA in the
morningand then his advisers show him a map they would say ok these are the states that would be hurt if you get rid of nafta ok i'm not gonna get rid of nafta the same day this is a pinball effect it's beyond weird and myka, i want to finish. here where you started it there is no one and in the White House who is capable of preventing me from doing serious damage on a day-to-day basis to American alliances and to American treaties and to America's standing around the world and yes, this man has been Erratic from day one, but it's gotten worse.
Douglas Brinkley said a confusing in-between state that has gotten worse and we'll show you when we get back exactly how much worse it's gotten over the years but that's a problem every day another sea change that shows things aren't right inside the White House and not there is no one who can step up and stop this thanks for visiting MSNBC on YouTube and be sure to subscribe to stay up to date on the biggest stories of the day and you can click on any of the videos around us to see more 4 Morning Joe and MSNBC thank you very much for watching
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