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I want to talk about what happened in the last 24 hours. Presidential historian David Doug Brinkley said he describes the

president

's confusing middle state. Yes, I saw the transcripts of the ramblings talking about Andrew Jackson in the Civil War, we've seen him try to bluff. his way through things before, but take that and John Dickerson, it was really shocking, with Dickerson was mumbling, he's rambling incoherently, that will show, um and then he just stopped talking and walked away, which we got him, we have the Dickerson. Blind, so while we understand Jon Meacham, we can of course ask you the easy question about Andrew Jackson, obviously he got Andrew Jackson wrong in the Civil War in a matter of about 15 years.

I want to ask you the most difficult one. question, do you follow Douglas Brinkley in his assessment that the

president

of the United States certainly over the last 48 hours appears to be in a more confused state of mind than before? Yes, I think he's right, reading the transcripts is always fascinating because you get into the brain and you start to see how much bluff is applied. The image that came to mind had less to do with confusion and more to do with it. It felt more like a pinball machine or an arcade. You know, he's just the ball of steel that hits something, the bells ring and then it bounces off and hits something else and that's not the most reassuring image you want in a nuclear age at the highest levels what was the Civil War line? why no one but no one asked this question but I didn't, why no one figured that out yeah honey and he started but no one had asked this question before but why did we have a civil war?

My mother had dementia for ten years, that sounds like the kind of What my mother would say today like people, she would say people don't ask that question, why did we have a civil war? That's beyond the scope, that's something and I'm not trying to be anything here, but very direct, that's something that a five year old might ask, but that's not something that any adult I've been in contact with my whole life I would let it slip from his lips because that has been the central question of how America began with slavery as our Original sin, you know, and how we overcame that original sin in part through the Civil War.

Mike, this is it, and I have a clip below from John Dickerson that is equally disturbing, look what the question is, the question is one of the most unique. raised questions about the life of this country in American history Jon Meacham just referred to reading the transcripts, which is an incredible experience, it's fascinating to read them. I would also add disturbing, it is very disturbing to read them, a president's use of language is one of the most vital aspects of the presidency and if you are of a certain age with a certain attention span and I would measure it perhaps among people over 45 who don't walk around looking at their phones, you're used to The president uses language to move things around correctly to point out things that emphasize the importance of things strategically and it's very disturbing, a little depressing, to read the transcripts of this particular president as he rambles. in anecdotally improvisations about things that are critical to this guy's future and he doesn't know it and myka this isn't about Donald Trump being ignorant this isn't about Donald Trump not reading books this isn't about Donald Trump not knowing the problems we've known in the past and Alex just lines up Go ahead, if you want, Donald Trump on The Today Show back in the nineteen ladies, we'll show you Donald Trump now.

Donald Trump spoke in the '80s and how he spoke when we knew him for most of the ten years we've been around. I knew him, but mica, your impression when we came back and saw an avalanche of all these stories in the transcripts, what was yours? Well, I think we talked about this yesterday and I think it's worth mentioning on the show. it's disturbing and it's not just what you're talking about in the potential that you're raising, but I tweeted, stop talking when what really worries me is that there is absolutely no one in the White House who can get it. stop talking there's no one, everyone says Oh, certain people can get to him and there's the secret weapon, there's no secret weapon, he's talking left and right and I can only imagine his staff is sitting there with their heads between his hands, he said.

Nobody can stop it. He said yesterday it would be an honor to meet with a dictator who is one of the most egregious tyrants on the face of the earth. They had to change their mind and say that he doesn't listen to anyone well. Simply him. doesn't seem to remember what he said just five minutes ago doesn't know his own positions on a health care bill he's passing seems confused this was this was the president of the United States yesterday with John Dickerson it's just baffling CLEP I don't get it, Did President Obama give you any advice that was helpful?

You think well, he really was very nice to me, but after that we've had some difficulties, so it doesn't matter. You know that words are less important. I that the facts and you saw what happened with the surveillance and everyone saw what happened with the surveillance throughout the city I thought that, well, you saw what happened with the surveillance and I think that was inappropriate, what does that mean, sir? , can you understand it, you say like The reason I asked, like you said, he called him sick and bad looking, you can figure it out yourself, he was very kind to me with words, but when I was with him, but after that there has been no relationship, but you stand by that statement.

I'm okay with anything, you can just take it however you want. I think our sides have been shown very strongly and everyone is talking about it and frankly it should be discussed. I think it is a very great vigilance of our citizens. I think it's a very important topic and it's a topic that should be number one and we should find out what the hell is going on. I just wanted to know. Although you are the other president of the United States, you said that he was sick and unwell because he stayed young anyway. You can take it however you want, but I'm asking because you don't want to make fake news.

I want to hear that the president is wrong. You don't have to ask why not, because I have my own opinions. You can have them. your own opinions but I want to know your opinions you are the president of the United States that is enough thank you very much Mark Helprin I think that the North Korea thing is the most serious because by saying it I would like to be honest by expressing respect and honor and say that I would meet with him one by one, what he said, he tried to backtrack, but in the context of all these other things he's talked about, he said that's very disturbing for Japan and the South.

Korea and Mike said that presidential words matter and spoke over a

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for about a week with such vagueness about history and about his position on health care and then raised the idea of ​​having the honor of meeting with the head of Establish North Korea, this is where the inaccuracy and your behavior has a real world impact and Eddie said not long ago that we could be heading into a major war with North Korea, right? I mean, and now it's my honor again. as if he didn't remember what he said five minutes ago. You didn't know it's really interesting, on the one hand, we've seen this regarding the hug from him, the Putin quote, the call to Ottawa and Turkey, now the gesture. to North Korea and also to the Philippines with New York T, there is a sense in which there is a strong chintu man, so there is that element and then there is a sense in the clip about the kind of reaction of a petulant child at that moment Instead of taking responsibility for what you did well there is a kind of displacement and then the reaction of going, I'm done and sitting down, it's at a desk where I don't do anything, I don't support anything and then there's your quote: I don't do it and for nothing and the third point is that it seems to make not knowing good, I mean there is a sense in which his comments about Andrew Jackson not knowing just ignorance are good, yes, and it seems to justify people who are vile and that they don't really want to be well informed and that seems deeply problematic for democracy to me, okay, so let's go to the Andrew Jackson clip, we have North Korea, which I want to play again, we played in the open, but okay sad to see, but first, this is Donald Trump rewriting history, at least take a look.

I mean, if Andrew Jackson had come a little later, he wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart and he was really angry because he saw what was happening regarding the Civil War calm down and there is no reason for these people not to ask that question, but why was there a Civil war? one hasn't been resolved, people don't ask that question, Jon Meacham, wow because well, what you've done and this is the only thing we're talking about is you're taking two largely unrelated things and They crush like a couple of One of the obstacles is this new interest in Andrew Jackson, which largely comes from Steve Bannon.

I spent about an hour and a half with him on May 16 talking about presidents he admired, and Jackson never brought it up. Steve Bannon put this into the conversation after the victory. In saying this was a Jacksonian moment, I think the president, the president, was here in Nash Oh, later to make a wreath on the grave, he associated with a population that once had a student, once had a person at a reading event and me. Seriously, has an adult ever told you not to ask people why we had a civil war? I know it's like why did we have to have that Civil War thing.

No, it just comes up and you meet these people. - it comes up in neo-Confederate circles, proper people arguing that oh, it was states' rights, it wasn't slavery, which is completely wrong, there's no, there's a whole level of scholarship. Myka, get ready. I was about to say land this plane now exactly, but there's an interesting set of questions about whether the war could have been delayed. Lincoln was willing to allow slavery to exist but not expand, but that's not what President Trump was talking about. He wasn't worried about the Crittenden Compromise of the winter of 1860. 61. He, what's happening, I think, is that these different dots are often connected incorrectly in his head and why wait just a curiosity?

Eye pics for all of you, why would we expect anything different? I mean, he built his career, he built his temporary success properly, not just. making things up we know what has been done well, we would expect something different because these are the president of the United States and he has surrounded himself with one of the strongest foreign policy teams we have seen in decades during the weekend that President Trump called dictator of North Korea. a smart cookie to talk to you or what use of words, Mike. I mean, I expect more. Have? I hope you have the Today Show clips from the 80s.

Find them if you want and you'll see we're not talking. you know if we exchange is a traveling salesman or not, you know we are talking about how mentally there is a marked change in this man, even in the last five years, nowhere is he preparing us, we feel that part of this is happening and the professor Meacham. It would be a valuable addition in terms of continuing this conversation: all of us who are parents of children and our parents before us, you would put your child on a school bus at the age of six or seven, going to school. an expectation when American history is taught in schools and we no longer teach American history as well as we should, but the combination of myth and memory that surrounds the office of the president will be taught to children George Washington Abraham Lincoln that is slowly being taught . being chewed by the language used by this particular president and the way he uses it I don't lift the card worried that he doesn't understand but it doesn't seem like he doesn't understand the office itself the card that's invited, but we could ask if Morris is just for everyone who is asking why this discussion why now because it is serious because it has gotten considerably worse even in the past, I think Douglas Brinkley said that in the last 24 48 hours there have been some of the most confusing and confusing, it seems to be among the Strangest recent 24 hours in American presidential history, it was all just a surreal mess in a confused state of mind on the president's part and I asked him twice what was going on with his mind before I read this.

Since Doug Brantley's run, we've followed Donald Trump, the last 24 hours have been very different even from what we saw last year. I received all the examples we have talked about. I think it's legitimate to talk about them, but I'm actually mostly focused. about North Korea, right, I know, but I'm just talking about whether we understand. I think that's the most serious thing. I ask you in general. Does the president agree with Douglas Brinkley that maybe the last 24 hours have been maybe? Donald Trump at his most confused, well, I'll go as far as to diagnose him as Brinkley seems to do from afar, butThere is no doubt that this is more than 24 hours with the partner center.

What about the resort? What's the matter with him? yes, okay, last week was strange, so we will attach strange if this has been the strangest week, yes, and it is and it is in a period where blood is not only the symbolic end of the hundred days, but It is also about the North. The Korean nuclear situation with the health care of tens of millions of Americans, that example we haven't really talked about, we didn't understand the question of what's in the House bill, that level of confusion, I explained to him how he didn't know What was something else, I mean, is there something? debate The Wall Street Journal editorial page tries to rescue it a bit, but there's no doubt that people with pre-existing conditions will be worse off in some parts of the country, at least if the House bill ever becomes law and is saying that it does not affect people with pre-existing conditions, they will continue to be protected.

I'm all for talking about the broad scope of last week, but what I'm saying is for North Korea, for people concerned about their health care, this lack of clarity, sloppy talk has real implications, but it's almost like you were pointing out those two issues like, let's look at what he said about them and let's worry about it at a policy level and let's talk about what we're going to say. what maybe no one said we'll do it again I'm not sure it's okay well I mean looked I think there's a cut I'm not sure it's okay you have that feeling with people right it's not okay where it starts to dawn on you , but they are not getting worse, but it is getting worse and it is a much bigger problem, worse than it has been, and you talked about the AP interview and these other

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, the president of the United States said, wow, this is a lot more difficult mm- Hmm, so my last job was there is not a human being on the face of the earth who does not understand that you are taking on the most difficult job of your life, just look at pictures of presidents entering and leaving the White House and Then he said, wow, this is very difficult, every day is very difficult.

I thought it was going to be easier. I thought it was going to be easier than this and I think the cumulative effect of the last hundred days we are starting to see. I think it's important, I don't want to echo Mark's point, but I think we need to move on from the consequences of this instability, what does it portend for the nation for the world? I think it is important to emphasize that with respect to Andrew Jackson we can talk about Frederick. Douglass comments that we could talk about. He's, you know, Susan B. Anthony's comment regarding, you know, in terms in front of women. talking about the radical change in policies regarding NAFTA, we can lower the health care line, you know, line 200, okay, wait, NAFTA is another great example where he says he basically tells everyone that I I'm going to get rid of NAFTA. in the

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and then his advisors showed him a map and told him: well, these are the states that would be harmed if he got rid of NAFTA.

He says it's okay. I will not get rid of NAFTA on the same day. This is a pinball effect. beyond bizarre and myka I want to end this where you started, there is no one in the White House who is capable of stopping me from doing serious damage every day to American alliances and American treaties and America's standing around the world. and yes, this man has been erratic since day one, but he's gotten worse, as Douglas Brinkley said, a half-confused state that's gotten worse and when we come back we'll show you exactly how much worse he's gotten over the years, but that's a problem.

Every day another radical change that shows that things are not right inside the White House and that there is no one who can step forward and stop this. Thank you for visiting MSNBC on YouTube and be sure to subscribe to stay up to date on the most important news of the day. stories and you can click on any of the videos around us to see more 4 Morning Joe and MSNBC thank you so much for watching