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Phil’s Reasons Women Are Crucial to the Church and Why a Holy Kiss Doesn’t Work Today | Ep 332

Nov 22, 2021
they took off then they went from town to town when they were the complete opposite it started small it got big but i am saying a lot of these

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es that are big and can be lazy need to get back to being small they don't all move but in their own individual groups, that's why we're a big proponent of small groups, well, some capacity and think about it, wow. back to the old testament model again how many times it is said in the prophets and in the psalms i don't want your tithes i don't want your sacrifices i want your hearts to turn to me jase that's a recluse sir tarantula yes well the forces of evil them forces of evil have risen against us once again on the shameless podcast, you never know what you'll have to pause for and we're not going to cut that out because that's just part of what we do. a big spider crawls up you have to take care love that was a big one glad you had a shoe you were able to take it off quickly that thing came off you and it came out of them breaking through the wall i saw it come out and it held but it's

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ing itself out , I raised, I said, that's where you went wrong, I'm not going.
phil s reasons women are crucial to the church and why a holy kiss doesn t work today ep 332
I don't want to be intimidated by it, I mean the spider will hurt you, evil forces come at you in various ways, so what I'm doing is God has put us in charge of the animal kingdom, this spider here should have stayed outside, yeah he's going to come in here where we live and

work

and well good job sorry ok so in a lot of ways to prove your point i mean when you get to the point all we're doing right now is a group little there's just three of us we do this we do this about uh four times a week yeah just to be able to share with other people here was the problem so the historical side of this and we're going to dive into a little bit in roman 16. you had the

church

by nature had to start the way it did it was it was a lot of people you know there were five thousand three thousand a lot of people were added but they had to meet sort of clandestinely once the persecution was over think about it alice 2000 years from the time we this was written but say go north korea china huh where else around iran are there small groups of christians thats him and look he is a mighty throne in china there are millions but they are under the radar ha It's up to

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because they have to be, so are they moving? and they go to this house and to that house and there, but the Chinese fixed it where they are very difficult to locate, so by nature, the very things that we are talking about with the community in people's lives are going to happen naturally, you arrive around 300 AD.
phil s reasons women are crucial to the church and why a holy kiss doesn t work today ep 332

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C. and Constantine was the emperor of Rome and he converted to Christianity, yeah, and all of a sudden we went from something underground to something national where it was okay for everyone to come out and be a Christian, the problem was the first thing he did because he loved God and his faith is that he started building these big structures because now it's like somebody knows somebody you know so if at first it probably seemed unbelievable for the church because we actually he took his whole army and basically he said if you're going to be a roman army in the roman army you have to be baptized which is not the best way to lead people to Christ but he just forced the whole army to be baptized but here's the thing, but that started a process that we are still struggling with

today

where it became the structure instead of the people and that is a big change 300 years before when jesus was on earth a big change happened for For that to happen it shows you the power of the gospel you see what I'm saying any successful team and unit I mean they like football you see the team they all come and play with them but they all have individual talents and guys like when they're practicing and the wide receivers all together in this little group, they all pull it together, yeah, they pull it together and they all work on their own stuff and then they're trying to bring everyone together and well the ignition that's what they do, that they succeed, yeah, yeah, and when you see them in warmups before the game, that's what they're doing, they're all doing their little drills, yeah, yeah, and then all of a sudden they broke up. in the two units and they are executing some plays and these guys here preparing the military defense do the same, they divide them into small groups up to whatever name it is, that's a good analogy because but it's the big game is that we're facing these , you know second of all, we're in front of a hundred thousand people to perform, but you realize the only way they're going to get it right is everything else that happened that week and everything before that time to put them in the good position.
phil s reasons women are crucial to the church and why a holy kiss doesn t work today ep 332
I think it also illustrates that we all have different talents and ways of acting and methods, I guess, of sharing Jesus and entering people's lives so that each group assumes its own identity. in jesus and me I think that has to happen in churches yes it has to be the same mindset that for overall success you have to have people on an individual level doing exactly what they are called to do which is pretty good exactly like that in uh so roman 16 just to go ahead and get there so paul is closing the book and we already said at the end of chapter 15 that he had this kind of personal appeal to them on what he had been doing and what what are you doing.
phil s reasons women are crucial to the church and why a holy kiss doesn t work today ep 332
I was about to be doing and I think it was a double thing because I was going to Jerusalem to leave a contribution that I had taken from all the gentile churches to give one last time because the Jerusalem church was very poor because they were under this roman tyranny in jerusalem, so they had a hard time we know from the first chapters of the facts he is going to give her some money and because he said it is important that the other churches bless the jerusalem church because that is where the gospel started so it's the last time he's going there so i think that was special for him and now he's getting ready to go to rome and meet these guys for the first time and that brings him to this chapter 16 uh which is it's for the house churches that meet there, that a lot of people wouldn't read Romans 16.
I mean, i i dare say there's been very few classes in churches on Romans 6 or a podcast, very few were there like oh, he just sends finally, yes, only l he's saying to everyone, hey hey, why would you take the time knowing that this is inspired writing, that's right? Write the names of several important things. You know what really struck me. From the 17th to the 19th. Yeah, and then from the 25th to the 27th and those are amazing for the churches because he's basically in the 17th to 19th section and he says to be careful with these people that are among you who are trying to lead you astray so that that always happens. and many people don't like going to churches or being part of a church because they think there are people who are hypocritical or not real, yes paul acknowledges they are there what does it have to do with you? ok nothing so it's an excuse and then that last statement really just i think sums up the whole letter in paragraph form but it's really kind of deep yeah it's going to go back and sum it all up let's take a break to james before start, but before that, what struck me when I first read Romans 16 is that we have a model pretty much in America, churches pass by, you have the only man in charge and his poor wife, you know she's the wife of the pastor and that's what she's known for and everyone watches her every move she makes just because there's pressure here you know most wives just sit there quietly yeah and this pastor hopes he

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't offend he has to do all the work because that's what you get paid for. do when ephesian ns paul also wrote that all these people that are the leaders there to prepare god's people for works of service so we but the model we just that's what it is here we put it all in a single man and no man can really handle that ok no ok the model shouldn't paul gives indirectly here there's none of that i mean the first person he mentioned says he's our sister phoebe the church servant and yet you say that place you want to try siglo centria i really receive her in the lord in a way worthy of the saints and give her any help she may need from you because she has been a great help to many people including me what the hell would she have had to do where is she upstairs? paul's list in this ministry that you think his life is a very servant woman and a leader and a leader and intentionally james because that word a servant is in the niv version we are reading in the most updated version they use the word deacon you also see deaconess uh down in the margin and then that word later because she has helped a lot of people the word beneficent is uh is what that means you know greek so i thought it was interesting that paul mentioned it first and this also reminds you of one of The critics we were talking about when we talked about Jesus were the Pharisees and they said look, he even has so many

women

in his inner circle.
Remember when that was one of the charges against Jesus so much for keeping

women

silent in the churches, well, and that, and I think it's so we got off and looked for the last place i was oh someone asked me about it you know he was busy you know we were doing meet and greet he he says yeah i heard you i heard you on the podcast trying to change the role of women so i looked behind me because he was looking and i was like oh you talk to me i mean i love it when i meet someone and they misrepresent what they thought i said and that's their greeting you know kind of that kind of bothered me not the best way to create no it's not at all i said well you have a situation in corinth now we are in romans now and i think it's interesting that paul chose a woman from the beginning and he said hello she has helped me and everyone else around here i mean that woman i congratulate her i like the idea that she is a benefactor as well as a servant by the way there was many of those lydia that we read about in act 16 she was a business woman and it was just her and a few women that helped start the whole

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ippine church so i want to say they played a very important role in the first part of church.
You're right, the apostles of Jesus and those women who followed, who followed the path to the cross eh and then the next chapter when we get to the acts this is a bit of a dark verse but I want to read it because I think it's important but in the acts 1 where it says those who were present above and you remember he said it says all the bel Anyone oh that's in 15 where you see instead of among the believers now look that's a big debate because 120 seemed so small you would think that there would be at least 5,000 who ate the fish and bread gathered there, you know? and all of America there are 120 that is all, but before it says that they had returned to Jerusalem because you remember that he said that you will receive power when the

holy

spirit comes and we know that this is leading to the outpouring of the spirit so that they gather in jerusalem and when they arrive verse 13 they went up to the room and where those present were staying were pedro juan james andrew

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ip thomas bartholomew matthew james and simon and and judas not the one who betrayed him the other all of them constantly joined in prayer in this next little sentence along with the women and Mary, Jesus' mother and with his brother, so this was the picture that had now experienced Jesus' death, burial, resurrection. and disappearing and he was there but that along with the women in that culture at the time is the same reference you said when they're like he has women as key people around his chosen people i mean he actually has women because let's face it how demeaning and they are allowed to say things that demean women in many cultures is horrible even to this day i mean it's like sit down shut up and cover we don't want to see anything but your eyes come straight and if you don't comply we we're going to wrap your back think about it they couldn't even vote in these United States for 150 years or whatever I mean that's really embarrassing that's half the workforce of a country from one church or whatever be and it's interesting because you're right look at the stunts we did just about that yeah but these legalistic people in church today you know I think they took the situation that was going on in corinth that look you t you have a culture that is really struggling with gender identity yeah i mean first corinthians uh where is that where it goes through the sins that were in first corinthians thats what some of you were yeah , first corinthians six of course he said that's what some of you were but you were all gender related i mean you had the homosexual references in there and the male prostitutes and you couldn't tell the men from the women , you had the long hair problem that people now in our culture confuse with wearing a hat, yeah you know I don't think that was his point there you know I think but if you're looking if you look like a woman if you're a man and you look a woman and you are a woman and you look like a man and you meet him, he mentioned that, he, where is that first corinthian whoread?, is there, but he is 11 years old. laying on of the hands of the apostles true so just think how that plays out now you have the ability to do miraculous events so when they got together in their assembly there were evidently some women in 1 Corinthians 14 they were just trying to use these gifts without being submissive. to the general function of the meeting, right?, they were being disruptive, so he rebuked them, but it was more about the use of spiritual gifts than what it was. my niece got up and spoke at our church willie's daughter and shared what she was doing around the world for jesus well there were some people who were like hey you know women are supposed to sit down and shut up you know not they should be talking she was coming i told her i asked her dad i told him how many people has she impacted out there he said um half a million five hundred thousand yes just in one year i talked to five hundred thousand girls young women like herself they said thats right so they are like making her lose I don't want to shut her up so the elders who are married to women who are single units before the lord now that is what jesus said what god has joined together let the man not be separated they thought it would be a good idea if she got up you thought it would be inspiring for her to share about sharon in jesus so there isn't an authority issue right? the elders made the decision this is what we are doing she is humbly saying yes i will share and what is funny not funny ironic is if she had done this 100 yards away in the parking lot no one said a word well, that's there or in the civic center, okay, let's take another break.
So you can go talk to the civic center or outside in the parking lot or any other day besides Sunday yes and you're fine but come in here turn around at the request of the elders and someone says you know I don't know if we should do this because first Corinthians 14 says he's having dinner I pose to sit down and shut up ok maybe you're not looking at first corinthians 14 in a proper way you ever thought about that that's why we talk about the context of scripture all the time and why it was said the things when they were said right back to the romans back to the romans 16 why would it start right woman but i want to say this point now i'm not saying if the same girl they said gets up and does this if she was sitting the back row and you were up there preaching and all of a sudden she just decides you know what time it is the lord told me and she steps back and starts yelling well guess what then i would go to first corinthians 14. i say I think it's good that you do, you know you have to go ask your husband about this at home, don't be alone or go talk to the elders and we'll give you a little time if they consider it necessary, but the fact that you're doing this on your own in the back row probably means they're not going to put a thumbs up on you're going up there so that's what I'm saying not that we're against it but I think people are drawing conclusions about what this means like structure in a ritual way and go a million miles from the finish line. that it's reaching people right and the persecution against women goes back years yeah well I think for years personally I mean I'm getting into my soap box here but trying to make it ritualistic and where I think we had a problem that needed to be addressed.
I think we just got on it you know that and that's fine but to make some sort of ritual rule you're basically gagging half your ambassadors for Jesus and it's been done in many churches and that's the unfortunate part yeah and and it hurts trying to get to the culture well oddly enough jace the next for the next person he talks about he goes back to our old friends from act 18 which is a power couple so we have a killer we assume. a single woman and then he goes to a power couple priscilla quill we've talked about them because they keep coming up in the bible which other times you know it's just people mentioned but you know they had something i would like to think about me wife and i because we came together in jesus i mean that was really the only thing we have in common in many ways she hates it when i say this but to this day that is all we have in common besides our kids and i wonder what did he mean when he said they risked their lives for me i don't know they stood out but to me when you risk your life you prevented him from being killed somehow well when you are this couple you remember when you first read about him , that's when they really persecuted him in Ephesus and oh yeah I'm sure they did something heroic to save him oh yeah you know and then of course they ended up being a big part of this church which was fantastic , but they you were part of the team remember the only reason you met him was because they were temptation makers so he probably led them to the Lord, they were sitting making tents and he probably shared the good news with them. initially met him so they were probably helping the church financially as well because he said all the churches of the gentiles are thankful to them and salute the church that meets in their house as well so they were also running a church in the House. you know he speaks highly of who they are which is great ok then they greet someone else which i assume how do you say his name? good old apollos got a little confused about john the baptist baptism and the baptism in jesus you know and he said that he only knew the baptism of john he started to speak boldly in the synagogue when priscilla and aquila heard him they were like oh oh they invited him to his house and they explained to him the way of god more adequately, which, biblically speaking, lined him up exactly on the difference of the baptism of john, he did not understand it where the

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spirit was not given and the baptism and that guy was also a promising oh yes, a lot was going on, a lot of disciples were following him, that's exactly right, well then look again, but she was involved in the lining.
I'm not saying you know Quillet was the one who did it she was there too oh yeah they were both in front of him so then verse six here we go another woman yeah single woman I guess the Greek Maria , who worked hard for you, and then he, you know. the next two he said they were in prison with him they are outstanding among the apostles and they were in christ jesus before me and you start reading this and you see them how many times he mentions house churches and these homes and like verse 11 say hello to those of the sehold house and then how hard they're working like verse 12 and then like the second one had to be twins those women who work there I mean and then he mentions another woman and but Paul gets his reputation in a religious world like oh he is against women because he wrote first corinthians and reads romans 16 yes yes i mean there are more women singled out and approached here than men yes and they all meet in homes some of them have Been in prison with them, they're being persecuted by them, they're here in little groups and groups and in their homes and by the way they're trying to take over the world a lot of them instead of being in uh positions of big name positions. e uh these people were ordinary people normal people normal people yeah some of them had some these people had no names and you know how to ascend you know the ultimate you know the spiritual ladder until finally you are a pastor and all it h I'm saying these are very important people.
There was one here though who was the head of public works. I think he is a little later. that one of them was a guy who worked as a local government yeah he made sure to mention that he was just like me this guy is in charge of public works like you know he can help us you know by doing that let's take our last rest , dude. so i am all for these megachurches but what i want you to know is if you have a megachurch that is not a ritual gathering and you are on fire for jesus you will have this aspect within the community yes and within what we call parish, you can call county, this is the model for big churches, right, different people working hard, men and women, men and women, married couples, single girls, you know, yeah, cousin in love, whatever, got 'em to everyone addressed here who is out there. working daily s for jesus they have small groups of people that is what the church is made for and that is how it should work miss k had one of her women who is with that group when i came here for us to do this she is in the patio and then a of the sisters passed by and picked her up they were headed they had their bibles with them they were headed to do whatever women do when in the bible like these girls here you know what all you know is not something you you would want to run like a man and say oh hey, how's it going here?
I'll join all of you no it's women being women you know but you do a great job you do it well take the younger girls and they are mentoring you well that's right and I like it at 16 he it gives them this culturally in eastern culture and they still do it to this day to greet each other with a sacred

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the most unfulfilled verse in its entirety that's exactly fine if we want this all to be command oriented then let's start

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ing Like a germaphobia on the brink. I've always been uncomfortable with that verse, but it became my friend when I started studying with legalists who like what we said about the role of this woman trying to change all of Christianity from her. in what goes on for an hour in a church building what they call a corporate setting that's what they want to discuss and discuss and I say well they are not greeting each other with a holy kiss they say well that was a thing of the culture greet each other with a holy kiss period yeah that's what it says six feet that six foot distancing throws a wrench in those gears well you know I was sitting there wondering okay now I have to keep six feet away. but you want me to be baptized in our culture it's a holy handshake or a holy side to side hug that's what we would call i like i like that you put the context there that a holy kiss because a kiss could mean a lot of different things a lot of different contexts on this one but look i experienced it i've told the story before when i went to eastern europe and there were all these new christians they were alabama on both sides they kiss on both sides and i mean it at first i admitted it's kind of weird you know you're not used to getting that beard from a man on your cheek it just

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't feel right yeah but for the three weeks i was there so uncomfortable like but that's just they go in that's how They greet you so I wasn't in their culture, I wasn't going to say that we don't kiss here, so I just kept going and at the end of the three weeks it felt natural.
I think it would have been like when I got home, although I didn't start it. I think I would put my fist up as a blocker. the area is ok yes maybe yes but my point was to mention to my niece when she woke up the same people who said she can do this 200 yards away not on a sunday morning. the church and they get together and so it is not a problem of authority in corinth first corinthians 14 where were the elders yes where they were good it was a young church your own church and these are the kind of problems you get into and they have these miracles 'Cause you remember everybody's new yeah it's not like I got any season you know we come along two thousand a lot of hard background oh exactly right my point is people screaming about that verse saying no women , you know it says here women should be silent but they go ahead to say well then that hour and a half they can't what does that mean they can't utter a word so I'm saying I use this verse as an example. not greeting each other her with a holy kiss, well, so they say that was a cultural thing and I was like, well, why couldn't the other have some cultural and circumstantial implications? we commend ourselves to the conscience of every man and lay out the truth clearly, no one is thinking that it is only talking about men there, of course, I want to say that women are ambassadors, but okay, so they say yes, but it's just that in this ritualistic environment they can't speak you know there are some churches unfortunately here where they can't open their mouths once they get into this but I would always say as a guy who preached for a long time be very careful with someone who is presenting the word . from god to you and take a verse or a part of a verse and then build a whole doctrine or theology or whatever from that which I'll tell you right there you really need to look into that because if you don't understand why it was said when it was said he said it's so you can take anything we could take anything out of here and do whatever we want with it if we're not going to be fair to god's word which I would also say would be very cautious would be very aware of that too I would be very cautious when you are trying to gag someone who is sharing ajesus yeah on god's word watch out for that back up have a get together what are we doing that's right what just think about it now there is if it was gagging filth or four little words or pornography or is it okay when you try to gag someone so i don't share jesus wait a minute be wary set up a meeting make sure she's okay tonight it's a woman she's talking to you like which i think that's what led to verse 17. that's because that's what i was going to get said I ask you brothers to be careful with those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your path that are contrary to the teaching you have learned keep away because such people are not serving our Lord Jesus, but their own appetites with fire that speaks gently they trick the minds of naive people everyone has heard of your obedience so i am overjoyed for you but i want you to be wise about what is good and i mean great statement be wise about what is good and innocent about what is bad yea his point was you beat up women for no reason well or any problem you can always find naive or young christian young men and manipulate them with the scriptures, I mean. you can and that's what's happening in our culture unfortunately in some churches and that's why we're so divided into so many groups and look it goes crazy with these fringe groups I mean there are people gathering in the mountains today , in reality they are a threat because since it is not based on jesus and the grace of god many times it leads to immorality and bad behavior and we have all seen it well and he said dad basically what you always say I want to be wise about what that it is good look for the good and when it comes to evil no no you are not even innocent of that I don't even want to know more that is correct you know going back to the first thing only I don't even want to go into more about evil I want I want to pursue that with you you're right and he made a key statement there about serving our lord jesus i mean jesus is our lord and he gave us the model he loved everyone equally he tried you know help people and he was here because of his father's business and his attitude was always disinterested.
I mean that's the model that he was trying to get him to see, then he closed it. I want to read this because it's a power pack for the end. paragraph says now to the one who is able to confirm this is 25 for my gospel and the proclamation of jesus that you remember when he said I am not ashamed of the gospel in romans 1 16. but it says according to the revelation of the hidden mystery for past centuries but now revealed and made known to the prophetic writings by command of the everlasting god and i think here is the point why he is writing so that all nations can believe and obey the only wise god be glory forever through jesus amen so that we'll use that as our skip next time to finish the book of romans so see you next time thanks for listening to the podcast no shame help us out by storming us on itunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click Hit the bell to get notified about new episodes and for even more content you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to blazetv at blazetv.com with no shame

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