Paleontologist Trevor Valle Debunks "Dinosaurs Never Existed" Conspiracy

Hello monster, I would love to play you the

dinosaurs

aren't real video, just do it. God, we probably can't play it on YouTube, where we'll get kicked out, but we could play the audio properly. I'll put the video on the screen and play the audio for you and you could just do it, your head could turn beet red, smoke could come out of your ears because the thing is about these videos and this is the problem I have not only with videos but also with people's blogs. You're writing things down and you're not being controlled as you go, so it's just you conveying an idea, it's not a conversation and so you can give the illusion of experience without being controlled.

Says

dinosaurs

never

existed

and jeez, Eric Dubay, this is the floor, yeah, the guy who does 200 tests, the earth is flat, everyone's debunked, no, no, she kills, yeah, the shows are, listen This guy, don't you dare. mention Owens' name of the brass holes in 1842 or, in other words, the existence of dinosaurs was first formulated speculatively by the director of the United Museum, coincidentally in the mid-19th century, during the heyday of evolutionism, before a single wrong dinosaur fossil was found, they pause every time they pause. dinosaurs, we discovered marine reptiles and the first dinosaurs about a century before that, so right there, Eric, you're wrong.

Oops, it's like you didn't bring your flat Earth to my profession. Now I'm angry, well, keep going, yeah, keep going, keep going. The press around the world went to work promoting stories of these supposedly long-lost animals and then, lo and behold, 12 years later in 1854, Ferdinand van Devere Haydn during his exploration of the upper Missouri River. Proof of Owens theory. Some unidentified teeth he mailed to two prominent

paleontologist

s. Joseph Lee D mm-hmm, who several years later stated that they came from an ancient extinct dinosaur Adhan, which is more than ironic, because we can do things like look at modern analogues and see how the teeth form, we know if it is a predator or if it's their prey, we know if it's a herbivore or a carnivore, we know how to build it even back then, even when they're making naturalistic drawings like this, it's like the Megalodon tooth on my arm, it's a predator, it's obviously a toothed Megalodon or Megalodon, how do you say it?

It depends, it may be from a different sulabha, it is both, it is not like nuclear and nucular, no, no, because it does not have to be used, but it is written, it is written the same, but it is like Dimetrodon or Dimetrodon. The same Magali Donn or Megalodon, yes, keep doing it, what are they? 20 minutes. First of all, it goes without saying that it is impossible to reconstruct a complete hypothetical ancient animal based on a few teeth, but even more importantly, it is doubtful that a myriad of Baguio transitional forms of birds and reptile mammals, necessary to the burgeoning theory of evolution, would be hypothesized and then conveniently discovered by teams of evolutionary archaeologists deliberately searching for such fossils, and Glenna Brundtland is even more doubtful that such fossils supposedly

existed

for millions of years. years, but they were

never

found or known by any civilization in the history of humanity, okay, evolution, okay, yeah, the reason we didn't know about things beforehand because we weren't doing full intellectual studies of science when people built pyramids and stuff. so that's why we have different ages in all the anthropological records we have the broad age and the iron and all that because we have to do things like discover the land around us and when we start finding really old bones like, hey, this looks really big chicken bone what or this looks like a huge human with one eye what we start looking at things like that saying just wholesale like that, damn, but that's what a YouTube video, a

conspiracy

theory video from YouTube oh it's not a single person to say it's pointless and unmarked yeah why was this for you?

Response videos can be blocked by the original person. You can select all comments. They can only allow certain ones. They can moderate everything. The same with a blog. The same with everything. control your own criticism mm-hmm there's a guy right now that a lot of the paleo communities are going after his name is David Peters he's an idiot who does stupid things like all reptiles are mammals and all these clades should be in this and only in everyone. This rubbish, he wholesale copied an article from a colleague of mine and published it, which is a violation of copyright because he is trying to replace that work by importing his own ideas.

You will reject any critical comments that are posted on your WordPress site hmm, that's really although it is common, yes it is very common with people the war of ideas in the comments section, that's where you fight, yes, it's because it's an echo chamber, yeah, it's like people don't look, why do people think the world is flat or why do people think? dinosaurs don't exist, they are a boolean google search, dinosaurs don't exist or creationism is true, evolution is false, the earth is flat, chemtrails exist, they are creating their own echo chamber and preaching to their own choir, yeah and then they have a message board and then go to that message board mass confirmation bias no one no one who doesn't toe that line will get kicked out let's play more of this because this will get better soon isms Masonic revival mid 19th century David Wozniak ins in all the years before when they roamed the American continents because they weren't making dinosaurs in the Native American religion or tradition because they were all dead.

That matters, why were there no discoveries before the 19th century anywhere in the world? I don't know what it was, that's the world book and it's the same with mammoths. Cyclops, we didn't know what it was, we didn't know it was some kind of huge elephant, you know, we thought it was a giant person, yeah, when the The first animals were discovered in the Tar Pits liberated before 1913. They thought it was cattle the who got trapped there and died, then they realized that holy cows don't have 9 inch long incisors which, as you know, are perfectly evolved, they open the throats of things and Then you started asking, so the Native Americans and all the people possibly found scattered bones and didn't know what it was, did the first northern people start licking bones and rocks?

No, we discovered that you know the science. You realize, hey, this is porous material, if I lick porous material, it will stick to my tongue, Holy, that's a fossil, this guy, the problem with you, Eric, is that you're starting from the wrong position. You're starting with confirmation bias. you're stating from the beginning that dinosaurs don't exist and you were using the parody of Leah and apophenia, the ability of humans to find patterns to fit you and then just select what belongs, that's what he does with Flat Earth and The The problem with this is as I said before because now the stupid minority has a voice.

I don't know how many millions of people subscribe to your channel. Each Flat Earth will have sixty-one thousand people. Well, look at that use of 300,000 and Here's the thing, look at the comments that the comments that select the icons are almost identical. They look 3486 on 3494. Are you kidding me, but remember that they forced you to have the same dinosaur toys as everyone? Matt, yes, that's because it's called consumerism. Flatter if there is no dinosaur, what's the point? by doing this, okay, go good, good for you, get in there, extremely excellent research, love is amazing. Thanks Max Haskins, don't procreate, don't ruin the dinosaurs with facts, you were my favorite animal, here's another problem, his voice is annoying, it's oh my god. let's play more oh, thank you, I mean, open selling appeared before the 19th century.

Nobody knew dinosaurs existed. During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, large deposits of dinosaur remains were discovered. Why did your man suddenly make all these discoveries. There are no tribes, cultures or countries in the world. A dinosaur bone was once discovered before the mid 19th century and then they were suddenly found all over the world in North America South America Europe Asia Africa Argentina Belgium Mongolia Tanzania West Germany and many other places apparently had larger deposits of fossils of dinosaurs never seen before, that's because we found the first one and then we thought there must be more of these out there and then the bone war between Ogden and Marsh started.

You had the mantle collection with the first Iguanodon that was found and they put it up and made these really stupid ones. statues and put it in Crystal Palace in London and Mary Anning one of the first women the first

paleontologist

and one of the first people to actually find fossils discovered the ichthyosaur Mary Anning was the girl in the rhyme who sells seashells on the seashore because that's what she did when she was a girl and while she was looking for shells she found the skeleton of an ichthyosaur buried in a cliff oh yes, like a girl I think she was 12 13 I think paleontology Twitter is going to destroy me for not knowing the thing but come on , I'm excited now drunk he's excited I'm not, buddy, that's a beer, okay, I already had you before you came, none excited, I've got nine more in there, I'll need them, yeah, it's So Mary Anning found out through Soares and once you discover something like that you want to go around the world and say hey, where else are these things?

Let's go somewhere no one has been. Hmm, meaning North America, South America, Tanzania, Belize, all the things. that idiot captain just recited Captain let's bomb cap cap nut wooded face Gibbon I don't know something oh yeah I stole that I stole given by a trauma thing but it gives one we like a monkey like a Gibbon ma a I think they're technically apes. I think Gibbons' violations have a tail. No, okay please, all apes, monkeys, but not all monkeys or apes, there are no apes and monkeys are nosy, but a monkey is not a technical term.

It is not a scientific term. An article that was written there explains that all apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys or apes, see if you can find it, well, we'll get to that later, you know, probably because one of those beers, okay, let's move on. this. I don't want to, I want to see how deep we can go with this right now, why hasn't anyone found a dinosaur fossil before? According to Dinosaur Project paleontology journalist Wayne Grady's book, the period after this from around 1870 to 1880 became a period in North America where some of the most covert shenanigans in the history of science took place. , that's because paleontologists turned on each other saying, "I can find the coolest thing, no, I can find the coolest thing, I'm going to find it." more than you, it was called Bone Wars Ogden vs.

Marsh, he already talked about this, right, yes, what it was was deceptive, they would sabotage each other's digs, they would try and yes, steal fossils, they were, but because of the competition it's It's like a fight when you have a guy who you know two guys have been training their whole lives and try to do everything. The more excited one gets, the more excited the others get, it will be a fair confrontation, this is what happened. on an intellectual and fieldwork scale, there were two guys trying to make a name for themselves in a new, burgeoning field who just wanted to get in and roll and they were in direct competition with each other, so it's going to be, you know, I'm going to find these bones first and It got nasty, man.

Wow, yeah, it's like I think of it as Edison versus Tesla paleontology, right, except a Tesla wasn't very aggressive, it's like leaving all that out, yeah, true, true, very true, play, people are still with this Owen. like the great dinosaur rush was born the bone wars edward drinker of the marsh academy of sciences rafael marsh of the peabody museum of natural history began a lifelong rivalry and passion for dinosaurs uh yeah i said it or i did it oh Goodness, but they became bitter enemies during a legendary feud involving betrayal, slander, bribery, theft, espionage, and bone-breaking on both sides.

Marsh is said to have discovered over 500 different ancient species, including 80 dinosaurs, while Cop discovered 56 of the one hundred and thirty-six species of dinosaurs supposedly discovered by the two men, however, for the sanction pose 32, currently considered valid since the rest have proven to be forgeries and fabrications. But it's not a fake or a fabrication, it turns out that many of those dinosaurs were the same species that were previously discovered, so, look at this sauropod femur. It looks a lot like a sauropod femur, but I found this in a slightly different place, so I'm going to name it a new species and it turns out they're both brontosauruses, apatosaurs, triceratops or stegosaurs, something like that, that's just a simple you just said, When things are discovered and they turn out to be the same, taxonomically it becomes what is called a junior synonym, sowhich, for example, Tyrannosaurus Rex had another name for a long time, is totally synthetic, mega mega, many know what, no matter what the The first name was technically the first name discovered, but since Teran asaurus rex it became more popular, the more documented, the more things became minor synonyms or what or and obscured that one actually became what we call, no mother obscures it there.

The obscure name was no longer talked about, but that's what happened, it wasn't a pure invention, it was two guys who found bones of the same species or type of animal, but they didn't give it the same name. So that's an absolute lie by Eric Dubay. The lifts once claimed to have found a complete skeleton, so all their work involved reconstructions, in fact, to this day no complete skeleton has ever been found, bullsháá, so all dinosaurs are reconstructed, so in the Field Museum. It's not okay, it's not one hundred percent complete, ninety-eight percent complete, including elements previously unknown from any other Taranis or I think a commercial paleontology group just found a 99% or almost 100 percent complete dinosaur, we've found complete or almost complete animals. so you are right by a small technical detail of one or two percent exactly exactly, but what you are implying is completely misleading, yes you are implying that they are finding a pimple and drawing a dinosaur exactly, but it's not like we found that we could find 70 percent. of the Tyrannosaurus Rex we know what they look like, so yes, we will use 3D printing or casting of all of those and yes, I happily admit it because everyone knows, or at least everyone should know, that many dinosaurs in museums are what we call them. a triceratops the skull will be real maybe the front half of the animal some ribs maybe some vertebra of the tail or pelvis it will be from an animal we will have to use molds of other Triceratops that we have in paleontology in other museums many of the fossils to see in display are molds now cast does not mean created on site means technically this is a mold it is a replica of a real existing bone that was wrapped, made into a mold and then filled with resin painted to the correct color it is the exact match of a bone that it exists it's not something we're just making up that's it and I hate that when they come and go oh wow look that's like plastic yeah it's the plants they think everything's fine yeah you know why fossils are fragile It takes us weeks to get a single one out bone and then they cover it with glue, wrap it in tissue paper, sometimes in aluminum foil, wrap it with a ton of plaster and reinforcement and then you have to slide it very carefully down the mountain in a car. hood at one time or transported by air at another and placed on the back of trucks and then taken to your museum and opened and then prepared, everything has to be left out very carefully and we are adding more glue as we go, because if you sneeze badly on some mineralized specimens it goes away, it just goes boom, so you have to work very carefully in a cockpit like an Arab Raider, so you're just shooting extremely fine particles.

Just to remove the top millimeter of material, this is hard, detailed work on things that are over 65 million years old and if we're not careful, they will fall apart, we're not going to wrap something like that in steel and put it on a mount, especially somewhere I don't know, like Los Angeles, where things like earthquakes happen, it's statements like that that might just be irritating, keep it, keep David Wozniak from arees and the excavations don't seem to be done by disinterested people, like farmers , ranchers. hikers or recreational building builders, you're lutely Eric, I'm a paleo monitor, I'm actually hired to go to construction sites and make sure fossils are protected and dug up properly, in fact, you know what idiot, I found a whale in downtown Los Angeles. you, Eric Dubay, found a whale, I found a whale in downtown Los Angeles, oh, you talked about this last podcast, you were talking about how they closed a construction, you know exactly why, because the construction of the building finds dinosaurs and encountered whales and prehistoric animals, idiot.

Oh farmers, Sue was found on some guy's farm. Numerous dinosaurs and numerous prehistoric animals have been found on one guy's farm. By the way, there's a whole private area in Bakersfield called Shark's Tooth Hill where they find Megg McGowan's teeth in their tea all the time. and this angers the fields in Bakersfield, it's on private land, farmers, builders, recreational people, yeah hey, guess what, a couple of people hiking through Red Rock Canyon near Palmdale found a trail of an ancient remains of camels, us recreational people, yeah this happens all the time, the reason it's happening more and more lately is because people know what they're looking for now they get it Wow, there could be out here hey, if we're digging a road, if we're widening Highway 99 in Fresno, holy shit, we hit a mammoth or, holy shit, us.

I found a whale in downtown Los Angeles, a few blocks from the 110 freeway and Good Samaritan Hospital. I won't tell you where I can't, but yeah, I just want to say creepy, yeah, it's just part of the contracts part, that's the deal. because if you find something there you can find more mm-hmm we found more than 400 specimens of whales with shark teeth or rib cage of a fossil whale snail Coral all this because the city of Los Angeles was underwater seven million years ago and yeah, that's oh my god, that's Oh, keep being blind trench diggers.

Lucky you and mining industry staff are found all the time by people with vested interests, such as paleontologists, scientists, university professors and museum organization staff who need trained dinosaur bones or who have previously studied dinosaurs. They are often made during special dinosaur bone hunting trips and expeditions of these people to distant regions already inhabited and explored. This seems very implausible, more credible is the case of the discovery of the first original Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947, which were unintentionally discovered by a child and were all published in 1955 oh ok, so it's perfectly fine to accidentally find ancient scrolls or denarii of silver I from the Roman period or a pyramid never before known in South America oh no, that's cool, you know why, because humans made them, but it's completely out of place.

The norm is for a nine-year-old to walk through Montana and find a mummified hadrosaur because I don't know why I made that distinction. It's a strange comparison. Yes, it is more plausible to find the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran. that what it's like to find a field of bull shakers with Megalodon teeth yeah, no, no, it doesn't make any sense, he's, he's anthropomorphic, measuring this and he's using an absolutely invalid lot, invalid arguments and logical fallacies trying, he's trying his absolute false equivocation, is trying. Well, you know you can't find these things because they're super old, but you can find them because they're younger and they're human, and you know there are people who live there, so we would expect there to be things there.

Guess what is 65 million years ago? of difference between humans who decide to write and say hey, there is a day and a night, that means something rules the day in the night, the gods and religion and industry and all that and the dinosaurs that were eaten 65 million ago of years, you were shrews and moles, we were not. we weren't building, we weren't writing things, such a false argument, God, this guy is an idiot, some cases of a discovery of dinosaur bones by a disinterested person, it was suggested to him by some professional in the field, no loss , error in a certain area that was also not very interesting to notice or special areas reserved and designated as dinosaur parks because we discovered that a group of bearers must first obtain a dinosaur hunting license, whatever the destination of these establishments, the best origin it's hard.

Daily Intelligence said it seemed like I found an incredible amount of fossils and small areas at one of the largest dinosaur excavation sites called the Ruth Mason Quarry. More than 2,000 fossils were supposedly discovered. Stop the sinks, the alleged militant son of a construction from these bones is currently exhibited in more than 60 museums around the world, yes, because it is a fantastic site no head of paleontology at the Museo de La Plata is surprisingly responsible for 6,000 fossil species supposedly discovered throughout his career, all in Argentina oh oh, really, really, guess what, Eric. I ran a laboratory where we had three and a half million ice specimens.

Age going back ninety thousand years, so the La Brea Tar Pits is the largest collection of Ice Age mammals on the planet and these things are not mineralized, they are actually subsumed with asphalt, keeping all the calcium and everything intact, these are real bones when we find a saber-toothed cat tooth it is the physical tooth of the animal ooh, which is a little strange to think about it, but to say it's like, we found many in places in the river of the death in Alberta when they are digging the pipeline. I don't know Mammoth Hot Springs, there are things called death traps and predator traps and sinkholes and natural Cades traps and I don't know entire sand dunes falling on things while they fight dueling dinosaurs.

It's a Protoceratops versus a velociraptor that was found in Mongolia because a sand dune fell on them while they were fighting because the V Raptor wanted to eat the thing, that's a cool specimen, by the way, the interesting thing about this guy is that he knows a lot is that His thing is knowledge of the history of paleontology and research into dinosaur bones. He knows a lot. I invoke it. What I'm thinking is that he's reading the script he cobbled together on Wikipedia. I challenge you to come face to face. with someone in the business that I don't know like me and go, okay, start throwing quotes, start throwing specimens.

I'll own this video, what I'm saying, I mean, he's obviously, he knows all these people that he knows about the bone wars and that he knows well. Who is in charge of all these different simple Google searches for the largest dinosaur found? Well, I'm going to write these three things in this Manila. I understand that I am not saying that it is impressive and that it is conclusive evidence. I'm saying it's impressive that this guy has done so much research but still has this ridiculous idea and used this, yeah, he's using all this data that's actually objective about how many different people they found, how many different things, and he's decided that this it's a test. and everything he does when he's supposedly in front of him, yes, it's like he's not sorry, more than 6,000 specimens were found in his dealings with him.

Hunter Earl Douglas sent 350 tons of excavated dinosaur bones to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History over the course of his career, all from Dinosaur National. Monument in Utah Why do you think it is now called Dinosaur National Monument? Louis Chafee and Dr. Lowell, his kiawe, actually ruled thousands of dinosaur eggs in a site of only a few hundred square meters, it was called the exhibition of the smallest Giants and has such finds of enormous quantities of fossils in one area for only a few few highly interested individuals, it goes against the laws of natural probability what is the highest probability of fakes or wrong concentrated planting efforts if you find a fire planting yes, well, they planted what were the things they planted oh, there are dinosaur bones that they planted, that's not what they made the dinosaur bones out of that like resins, so it's actually an argument with these morons, okay, so big paleo, the big paleontologist, people like me, Paleo Haley, a big pharma, yeah, like big pharma and big VAE, and you know the whole podcast.

Jamie death, ergo, we are. great podcast for an industry, so they say no on the black man, you know, black helicopter day, but they, like the naysayers, claim that paleontologists like me will create a fossil, whether as a cast or just We'll invent one and on these expeditions we go out and we actually bury it and we discover it and we're in the news and all that, well, if that were true Erik, why is it that when we find something, let's say in I don't know 2008, it's usually not written about until Let's say 2012 and that's just a symbol, a single note in the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology that I guarantee you've never read or it's made up like a poster in the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology that I absolutely guarantee you've never been to and then the fossils that are still in preparation at that time we haven't done all the research on it, it's still an undiscovered fossil if we're going to go out and invest all this money to make these fakes and bury them and pay all these people to shut them up and in excavationshuge ones like that, we would like to get that money back as quickly as possible and immediately throw it in the news and get paid for the spokesboats and all that, but we don't, we suffer.

Natural History Museums are some of the lowest in donations. For institutions on the planet, art museums are generally number one, there are people who get fired all the time by museums, museums close if we were making all this money by making all this fame, why are there paleontologists without job? Why do I know a dozen monitors who don't have a job right now, why are there museums that have trouble getting a budget to start an excavation, that they have to use private donors, that they have to use their board of directors, that they have to go from a County Museum to a non-profit non-profit foundation this is such a line that pisses me off because their simple statements are circulating to thousands and tens of thousands of employees and museums and all that around the world, this would be one of the biggest conspiracies. never again that I don't know lunar hoaxes on a flat earth flat earth and like the other one that yes, yes, that's a good one, keep going.

Oh, dinosaur bones sell for a lot of money at auctions, it's a profitable business, there's pressure. for academics to publish articles museums are dedicated to producing exhibits that are popular and attractive what non-profit companies need to produce material to sell to stay in business the mainstream media loves to hype up supposed dinosaur finds they must be obtained by turning a dull non-dinosaur discovery from a bone of modern origin into an impressive dinosaur find and letting the interpretations and imagination of the artists take the center of attentionWell, Eric, the basic, boring, real find, if that It's true, so why do dinosaurs become obsolete?

Why does someone like me, who's been on I don't know 13 or 14 different TV shows, talk about paleontology, geology, and everything I've ever presented about dinosaurs as live excavation stuff? to the BBC and all that. I'm consulting on a couple of projects right now, unfortunately I can't name them, but dinosaurs go by very, very quickly because people say, "Oh, a cool new dinosaur was found, yeah, big deal," or, well, the brontosaurus is back, yes. whatever, but the mainstream media, like he said, it's like they love dinosaur history, but that's absolute when the last dinosaur paper was published, yeah, there was, um, what was it called autopsy? of the t-rex with my friend Tori and that's fine, that was a The speculative science show says what happens if we find a T-Rex, we cut it open and do an autopsy which was a success and then paleontology television died again .

Two years ago I had an a on our National Geographic documentary about digging up woolly mammoths that aired one night, there was a bit of press, the production company that did it with Nat Geo is out of business, now it's just over, it's like If we were really pressed and to get this money, then why not? doing more why Eric I'm a bartender as well as a paleontologist as well as someone who's on TV if I'm doing all this Big pharma I'm sorry a lot of paleo money if I'm so complicit okay yeah that's why I'm a month behind on the paying my car right now that's why I'm trying to get the rent together you get aggressive oh I'm too aggressive hire these guys prestige fame and attention there's the bandwagon effect and the crowd behavior and then there's the people and then Wait, but wait, wait, wait, wait, live, wait, the bandwagon effect and the behavior of the critics and the crowd like the flat Earth, okay, we are only seven minutes and 53 seconds into a twenty-nine minute video, Oh, we don't have to continue.

I don't want to get you too angry I think you already made your point, yeah you just tune out whenever you want but now it's like one of those Twitter arguments man I'm getting into it now check me out all the time because we follow each other. "Other we do each other and suddenly in my thing it's like I have you on the note because we're both verified, it comes up and it's like Joe Rogan is tweeting about 'Flatter' and then you just do it, it's like it's you. I mean because you know the podcast and you like the fly commentary and the UFC stuff and you like the trigger that comes and all that, that's one thing when you irritate the crazy man, you're like you're on the same level, actually?

How many followers do you have like 2 million? It's not like on Twitter TDT, take Darwin like 10, maybe 15,000 They both irritate me on the same level, so we have to take it out and have it on the show this to this guy, it would be red wouldn't it, Eric Dubay if he ever appears on the show I want to be outside waiting with a baseball bat oh no seriously don't be violent with him you almost almost don't want to talk to him what you want darling I think you could win a lot if you sat down with a guy like this and you'd just break him up because you'd realize where he went wrong and instead of him being able to just talk on a YouTube video, he'd be Reviewed every step of the way every time he said the wrong thing, yeah, but the problem is the only reason you would do that.

He will never change his mind. Well, he's probably crazy. Well, he's absolutely crazy, but think about it right now. You have 4 million. subscribers who now know that this video exists, that no Eric has a base called who know that paleontologists can get irritated with this guy, will now go see if any of your listeners are on the fence about dinosaurs, why would you be, but you? I might have a few, those are the people I would have to try to convince. I will never convince him. I'll make fun of him until he wants to put himself in a shredder, but I'll never convince him that's him and that's him.

So all of you, Sicom people, we are not doing it to try to convince the big spokespeople of these movements. We're trying to go after people who aren't quite sure if we're embarrassing these people. Wow, those guys are idiots, why did I even consider that the world is flatter? Dinosaurs did not exist or creationism exists or chemtrails or the rogue planets of Nibiru and so on.