Omarosa Talks ‘Unhinged,’ Explains Why She Worked For Trump & Commits To Getting Him Out Of Office

I've got you here at Roland Martin with no filter, so let's get right to it. We will start, although not with your book, but with another book. Bob, we just dropped his book. People are talking about it and it was interesting that in his book he described it. many things that you have also described that really this place is in complete chaos and a president, frankly, who is treated like a child by leading as such, yes, one of the congressmen referred to the White House as a daycare for adults and I must say I wouldn't disagree, there were times when we walked into the Oval and we knew we weren't going to have a productive day because he was in a really bad mood or he saw something that triggered him, he was certainly upset. to understand any of the policies, the reports that we put in front of him, so we would just tear up the morning and try it in the afternoon, but that's what it was like trying to work with this president in the fact that you described in your book that it was hardly literate, doesn't want to read documents, has the reading comprehension, so to speak, of an 8th or 9th grader, yes, he can read, but reading and comprehension are two different things and what we quickly realize is that if we simplify all the policies until we create a pager. bullets made him seem attractive so it would hold his attention long enough for him to get the basics and just as surely as an adult you're sitting there saying "okay", this is the President of the United States, this is the most powerful person in the world. world and you have to handle this person like a high school student, yes, but what you think about are the consequences of not allowing them to make those decisions;

There are decisions in the White House that only one person in the entire country can make and that is the president and we quickly realized that if he did not make those decisions things could not move forward. I realized it now when Woodward

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about how Porter would steal. Porter would delete documents, he would delete documents, why some of the documents had to open automatically. Things may open automatically, but there were things that needed your signature that we would simply wait, postpone and delay, which would delay funding, with things going on the hill and delayed moving forward on our agenda, so check out your thoughts on the anonymous. publication or commas in the New York Times people say that person if he believes that way should just resign others say they are not doing Trump any favors he has called it treason how would you evaluate that particular person who wrote that article?

I would do it. I say it's very important to have adults in the room, it's important to have people who have had previous service and the government around them, we could all resign in protest of who would be left to run the government and a lot of that was what I processed while I was there and you can see a lot of administration officials struggling with whether we stay and try to right the ship or jump off the side of the ship and just let it hit an iceberg, that's really what we're up against. and I think the person who has decided to stick around to stay and try to right the ship knows that people are going to turn them into villains.

I would say it takes courage to stay in that white house, it is one of the most toxic environments I have ever known. It

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so the question is why did you follow the campaign and work for it in the book? You say that during the campaign you say that she is not racist, he is proportion and you base it on how he treated you, yes, yes, but you listen. in the comments we heard, the excess of Hollywood tapes, we see how the intimidation tactics at rallies, we saw all that. I've been using the hashtag, we try to tell you the meaning that black people should try to tell everyone.

Appointment at 9:00 but you at 94 black women 8 a black man I don't vote for this man we try to tell you and then why did you as someone who supported Hillary Clinton even go to work for him and you formed a campaign and defended him to become president? Oh my gosh, you're I'm going to get into a lot of trouble saying this, but I think you'll appreciate it. I

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in the Clinton White House and I hate using this term, but I'm going to use it because it's authentic. I have become. I am insensitive to a president behaving badly because I was in the White House during the impeachment process because that does not justify it.

I'm just being transparent when I get to know the experience I described with the Clintons, since you know the ones I worked for. ready for Clinton ready for Hillary trying to raise money for her and when she did what she did with Quentin and all the black employees who have been loyal, she didn't hire them and took an employee at that time I became disillusioned with the Clintons and when Donald he called and said he needed my help, I thought what harm would there be in helping my friend and I described it clearly in the book as friend, friend, did you also think that he was not going to win?

I like what they say, I think so. It's true, I thought there was no way Donald would beat George Bush, Ted Cruz Rubio, all these people with a tremendous relationship and no experience, donors, money messages, momentum, relationship with the media, I thought I would support my friend , we'll have a good time, Donald will go. launch his Trump TV, which is what he was going to do if he didn't win, and during that you had black people calling you a traitor, attacking you, and saying how can you work for this man who started his career being under investigation and being charged by HUD for not wanting to rent to black people, how did you justify that when you left all this insults aside?

No, no, he justifies, we are still campaigning in his name, going to rallies. saying why he should be elected why black people should expect him to be president because I'm from the school of politics that believes we should have representation on all sides we should have someone in the Republican Party we should have some in the independent party Party Green, the Democratic Party, I don't think African Americans should give 100 percent support to the Democratic Party or they will be taken for granted and exploited and used, so let me ask you, do you believe it when you say that?

Do you believe it or was he some kind of Republican? I always said he was similar to Trump, which means he wanted my friend to win, that's the bottom line. I want Donald Trump to win now when you start to back off in evaluating the things that happen with his family when his family was adequate like you said for housing when people started talking about the middle part 5 I had a chance to ask him face to face face about those things listen to his justification you say the first thing I said about the housing he said I sued my family's company and they sued several companies at that time.

It wasn't just a singular written demand and he explained what happened. He said he was not trying to block African Americans. He had to accept it, but Central Park. five when he explained that to me if you understood which I didn't understand that they had confessed and that's when Donald asked for the death penalty I'm justifying it I'm just explaining what he told me he said once to confess That's when he persecuted them, but during the campaign , when the first ones were exonerated from the settlement paid, they asked him and he said I still agree with what the White House is doing with the DNA and I said: are you crazy?

There's DNA evidence that shows they didn't do this and he still said, I think they were guilty, and that's when I realized it wasn't just him misprocessing information, there was something serious and wrong with Donald Trump, do you think? that he flatly? He says things and part of his attitude is: I will never apologize. I will never back down, but he loves to demand apologies from other people. Donald Trump never apologizes. That's his modus operandi. It is something that he has committed to in life and that he believes is a sign. of weakness, so he will never ever apologize, so I think he makes him look weaker, it doesn't make him look strong, so you believe that by exurbanizing Bob Weir's book where he says that was the worst speech he ever made. had. give when he had to attack criticized white supremacist and neo-Nazis my own eyes when I went in there I don't know if you remember we tried to set up a meeting with Tim Scott Tim Scott came and they thought that was enough for racial reconciliation after Charlottesville and I lost him, I came across the only black America, I came across one side and he didn't really feel like he needed to do more, he felt that Obama let the country down, which I thought was ridiculous and didn't heal all the racial problems in the country during the eight years since the announcement, so I had to take on the task, of course, I wanted to resign in protest.

I got angry and then I realized that if I left there would be no one sitting here to maintain this. man under control of those impulses that are so dangerous to our country and I am looking to find one of the black Republicans who are begging those who serve who would be willing to take that position but they say you block them Kate James has told you flatly -out the blocked the other one from Michael Steele they say you were the biggest impediment but I didn't have any power so you can't have it both ways Rowland they can't say I was ineffective I didn't do my job and I don't have any influence and then at the same time, I say that I have to have the ability to prevent hundreds of black Republicans from reaching the White House.

He was not the presidential chief of staff. I wasn't the head of human resources, but they want to. Claim that because the truth is that the Republican Party has had a bad relationship with black Republicans since I can still remember them having the Black Exodus, all black Republicans resigned. Reince Priebus ran against Michael, still this time from stealing, you say he says in his book that when you guys ever had this Black History Month meeting, write down your names, he came by and said he gave me trouble. Oh, all the sailors gave me trouble. Michael still gave me trouble when I said, well, point out that we're still, I mean elroy a position, he's every sailor, sailor, sailor, people aren't Congressman JC's chief of staff, why yes, she said that L Ray would never pass the background, he has criminal material.

I mean, this is what came out of rank two before your mouth, not my mouth and I still had problems with Michael and some of the other black Republicans, but they want to blame it on me, the truth is they had problems, they had a black exodus, all black republicans resigned because they had faith in the party, that has nothing to do with it. with me I want to talk about language and you say that when he gave a speech you said that I begged him not to say what we have to lose and so do you and you said that he never seemed to understand that he did not understand that you people and to say that black people me love, that's the problem, yes he and other white men, the administration had problems with the language and the way they communicated with black people, it wasn't because they didn't tell them because I corrected him over and over again, but he says good.

Not that I don't mean any harm, that's how I've been saying it for 50 years when he made his comment about countries. Hade was one of those countries where you went to Haiti for the inauguration of a new president and you wrote to him saying why did you choose that shitty country? It's your first trip abroad. You waited until the confirmations were done and you went to Scotland and played golf at Turnberry, of course, where his house is, and yet you say you did it, you had to remind him, mate, that you campaigned in Miami. We went to relationships over and over again.

We made all these compromises, but not only that. I went down. I made commitments. I went to the country. I made engagements with the President of Haiti, so when he started speaking negatively about them, of course, those comments came out publicly. It was also my word along the lines of saying that we were going to do better with the Haitians than what the Clintons did, but we did not disappoint them, we turned our backs on him and he stopped the TPS protections for Haiti, which was one of the main things that he was fighting for while I was in administration, so that was just to show him that it was just him talking to a group.

I'll help you if he wanted, once he joined, the Republicans around him shut him down and imposed his agenda on him and Donald Trump started aligning with them. Remember he didn't do it, but they changed, even though he didn't do it, even though he supposedly now has more control. It's not that he rescinded the decision on Haiti. It is still valid. is still in force and the same is true with El Salvador and several other countries, the problem is that since we have decided and when I say that the black leaders are deciding that we are not going to deal with them for four years, we will just see what happens.

The problem is that they can make decisions about TPS and not get any pushback because no one is going to go there and demand that they extend TPS because the conditions in Haiti have not improved so that people returning 40,000 Haitians to Haiti would completely free up that economy that the president , if Haiti is trying to rebuild itself, you call Stephen and Stephen Miller alleged racists, but then discuss Jeff's sessions on their racial history. Do you think Jeff Sessions is a racist who doesn't like people of color? Yes, absolutely and why, first of all.His entire record, I mean, not only has he used words that are inappropriate toward African Americans, but the aggressive ways in which he has dismantled civil rights protections in this Department of Justice is just mind-blowing.

It's that this man has worked to make sure that not only where we talk about justice and civil rights and how to keep our urban centers safe and provide funding to improve police and community relations, he responded to them so that, instead of

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better, they also have deteriorated and I would use Chicago. as an excellent example and with that it is very interesting because this president often loves to talk about Chicago if he has not gone he refuses to go he refuses to go if you ask him where his plan is there is no plan because he has a problem with Rahm Emanuel actually it's as simple as that that's why Puerto Rico also suffers because he had an argument with the mayor of San Juan, damn the people, these petty arguments prevent people from

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the help they need, so you say the reason is that you say that he did a great job in Puerto Rico, now we know up to three thousand people died just the numbers, there are incredibly more people who died there than those who died on September 11.

He still says we did a great job, yeah, because he thinks if he says it and it's true, he just made a statement. Don't believe what you see, he only believes what you hear from me and that's because he has this cult that follows a cult of personality that will actually believe the things that await men from him. He talked about the work you did and how you were black. Folks, you were trying to help, one of the big problems was obviously HBCUs and they got a lot of flak for that, the presidents went there, the photo they took in the Oval Office and do you believe that based on what you've written here? that that was the only area where you could at least do something while you were there.

I did a lot with HBCUs. An example is receiving Pell grants throughout the year. The Obama administration decided to cut Pell grants for the summer, you know, HBCUs. I suffered during the summer without having adequate financing. I went to MIT Melvin II and pushed and fought for it, and that was one of the things I was most proud of, but also bringing the 100 HBCU students to Washington and allowing them to see the government. up close and personal first hand, keep in mind I did this without any staff role and remember Valerie Jarrett had 14 people working in her

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, she had a fiefdom, I only had one help, so I was able to accomplish these things, no with the greatest success he desired. because I just didn't have the resources, but to the best of my ability I also moved the HPC initiative from the Department location to the White House and I want to take care of the Education part because you clearly don't love the Betsy DeVos you're accompanying. her when she went to Bethune Cookman Howard University and you write that they dropped you off where you were supposed to go somewhere and they left early she told you to call uber, she did it, she did it, we had just faced protesters and the people she was very angry and very aggressive and she wanted to get violent with us and yet the next morning she left early and said we were going to the building and I took over and took him straight to the airport and flew back to the White House and then you said you were going. to the White House and you tell Trump who you mean as a DJ you said he shook his head in disgust says she's dumb DeVos because that's what he calls her yeah he calls her tits he eats well he has nicknames for everyone derogatory nicknames and He said he was getting rid of her because he had basically made a deal for her to serve because of the amount of money she and her family had raised to support his efforts in his campaign as well as his inauguration, but about her, you say that the depth and breadth of her ignorance is a travesty to children.

I can tell you, after years of sitting in those meetings and watching her, that she is woefully inadequate and unequipped for her job and then you said she doesn't care about your children. Be afraid. It's a very, very crazy vision that he just made towards Howard University. Put it in a category that will put a $108 million burden on an institution that was already struggling. Put it in a classification that is equivalent to a beauty school. I think that was something that she was malicious because she wanted to send a message and because she doesn't understand the historical contributions that HBCUs made to this country.

I said before that you wouldn't do it during the campaign. You said she hasn't raised her race. She is racial. Now you would change your opinion, what caused that change for you to say there is no dog, Donald Trump is racist? Well, first of all, listen to the tape of him using the n-word which is the number one deeper, so you actually listened to the tape of him using yes and I'm going to tell you that I feel like I exposed myself to hundreds of interviews, the You saw saying: this is my friend, he says so much that he doesn't run again and again and again only to find out that he doesn't give at all. shit about African Americans or the community and actually

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that way and insults us and thinks they're beneath him, for me, putting myself out there over and over again is probably one of my greatest accomplishments, so working on this Campaigning and getting to the White House, you saw a side of him that you hadn't seen in the previous fourteen years during the first week and during the first week when they passed the travel ban, they called it a travel ban, but you and I we know.

It was a Muslim ban and I went to them to explain what Stephen Miller and Steve's ban is and it said this is forbidden for people of color and they say what I'm saying: ninety percent of Muslims are people of color. . banning people of color from coming to the country and they say you can't look at it that way, they come from dangerous countries and I said this is absolutely ridiculous and that was the first sign that this administration was going to try it. harming people of color through his policies, decisions and actions, we talk about it on my show, the number of people who have been removed from his administration who made racist comments, whether on the radio, others, um, print , why do you think people or races feel or feel very comfortable? in this administration they feel very comfortable because there is a dog whistle that goes off to let them know that it is now safe to say whatever they want to say things that used to be said in private and behind the scenes are now said openly and then when they get arrested they say oh, We didn't know that was harmful, like saying don't fuck this up in Florida, yeah, he said, oh, I didn't know that was a racial statement that's not true at all.

Donald Trump has said that an environment is conducive for these people to show their true colors and their true colors are that they don't care about people of color and they are not trying to promote any agenda that will build unity in this country. You are a person of faith, what do you do? You say buy white conservative evangelical evangelicals who don't say anything who when he makes his comments they don't do anything here? I have challenged Paula White and I was one person a channel that was challenged. I try to challenge her in the comment.

I sent an email. she said her comment was when she gave up, i was talking to one of the tv shows and i criticized her, she said the comments were taken out of context, she says you know she and i will talk when she comes back, i sent her an email email and told him. Okay, let's do it and then as we exchange, I text her and exchange emails and my Diller is her. I mean she wanted to come sit with me because, for someone who, frankly, has gained popularity by preaching to black people. people who lead a diverse Church in the African American church there in Florida.

I think she owns black people. She puts out an explanation as someone who leads the board of her and therefore is the main deciding factor about faith in our administration and, you know, I talk in the book and I wonder. Why did she put her in the position where she could make these decisions? She literally came to our

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and the public liaison office and she told Ginny Corn and other employees that this is what we are going to do with faith, but she let me carve. I brought up the black faith just for myself while she was making decisions for evangelicals to advance her agenda, so when you see them not saying anything, they don't even discredit it when she makes the Charlottesville comment, they are essentially co-signing and saying good?

As long as they give us right-wing conservative judges, do whatever they want, they reached that agreement, in fact, at the ministers' meeting they criticized us for having done so. I don't remember ever missing the fact that Parsons could answer any of my questions. questions about what was discussed at the meeting the assembled ministers basically made a pact that they would hand over their pulpits so that Donald Trump could advance his political agenda as long as he gave them what they wanted, every element of his evangelical agenda be delivered in this administration you write in the book about not protecting or you need to protect yourself now we know that you record meetings or a series of different things we let you start with that well there is something that where you say it you know what I don't trust what is happening here I need recording these people was it from the beginning or something that really happened but you said I have to do I have to do this well, let's take for example the black Republicans who keep saying I never wanted to meet with them and everyone to help them if I didn't have those recordings of calls of them trying to get them to submit candidates so we could recruit them for positions in administration agencies.

I think if I didn't record General Kelly locking me in the Situation Room threatening me and telling me that things were going to get bad for me and that my reputation could be damaged, no one would believe it, but that's a very important role. Something has to precipitate that, so when I was in Fort Worth and I learned that in Texas it was one-party consent and if they called me into my editor's office I could tell by the tone I said, you know what I got. my recorder, let's see how this goes, so was there something that precipitated what you said that everyone wasn't going to do?

I have to record every meeting. Was there a conversation? Was there something that happened? Will you say I better watch my back and my path? I'm going to do this with the recording device. If you've ever read the book I Smoked This at the Door, you understand that as the only black person in the room, sometimes you will hear things that are shocking, but even if you repeat it to people they won't believe it there were moments where I knew that If I didn't have my back, no one would believe it. More important, I couldn't explain how the decisions were made, how Donald Trump came to the decision to separate parents from their children at the border or if the genesis of that began.

I can't go into much more detail, since you know, Donald Trump has decided to send his legal team to SiC with me. I am in the middle of an arbitration proceeding with him, but I will say that I do not regret making those recordings and protecting myself and we will use it when we go to court to demonstrate the corruption that I witnessed in the campaign and in the White House if we were in a dinner. She was good with black people and people said they named the black people who couldn't stand Clarence Thomas, probably first and your name will come out.

How does it make you feel when black people tell you, "no, you can't?" I heard - a cookout we don't want to see her we don't want to talk to her she's a traitor the more the phrases they used to describe you are vile how Does it make you feel when black people say that about everything? I recognize that not all black people are a model, right, when you say that black people are not just a collective group and we don't all participate in groups, I think there is a large segment of African Americans who support me when I was in that they sent encouragement that was not They reduce to insulting and saying things about cookouts and that kind of thing because I was the woman in the arena there's this poem about being the person in the arena who knows victory or defeat but what's worse is the person who He does not expose himself and has never fought.

I'm a soldier and so when people insult me ​​and threaten me, the truth of the matter is that if you're not at the table, you're at them. you are on the menu and I have been in politics for 20 years, if you want to put yourself out there you have to be prepared to endure obstacles and that is what I did, if people want to call me names and judge me that's fine but I had to make sure that the community I was supposed to represent and was supposed to represent was represented when decisions were made about budget, taxes, housing and policing, and if that means I'm I'll be insulted or people won't invite me to cook, so I'm at the point where I will host my own cookout because I have earned it through my experience, my education, and the ability to put myself out there. and make a difference and when you make a difference you're not going to make everyone agree with you you're not going to be popular so what I set out to do is follow the path that God has to live for me and I stand firm and what I did and what I regret is that more African Americans don't get involved in a political process and you know why they don't because they see what happened to me, thereason why they are discouraged from running for political office because they see the names they call me, how people treat me, how they reject me and get discouraged, so I don't encourage people, they We need you, we need you in the race, we get you involved, we need you. them in the fall during the midterm elections and don't be discouraged by people's names or naysayers, the critics will always be there, but what we need are people who are brave enough to step up to make change. agents for our community we need more than anything April Ryan to give interviews and come out with a book about what she says the Trump administration is trying to destroy her career you two used to be friendly but seeing a bridesmaid or something you were supposed to I was going to be at their wedding.

I received something on one of those lines and it's like everything is absolutely up in the water, yeah, do you believe this administration? is trying to destroy her career, she from the beginning sees, you see, there was a file on her about me, Amol Bryant passage, immediately, but that relationship, I guess, is non-existent, let me tell you that I have enormous respect for her. Maybe you don't know. I met April when I first worked in the White House in 1998-99, when she was starting out and I was starting out, so he came up in politics and I'm glad she wrote a book so I could tell her story, but I think it's important to understand that she had an incredible job to do in the White House that is not friendly to the press in general, they just don't like the press in general and have been aggressive towards her, sir. and I wish you nothing but luck.

No hard feelings. Not really. I've moved on and you know the truth of the matter is you know she shared a story about me being drugged and all of that I obviously mean by I revealed the tape from the time I walked into the Situation Room to the time I came back to my condo. None of that was true, but it's because she was tricked and people used her. I think the White House leaked it to him for his use. and I'm sorry they did that to her because she has an incredible reputation and I wish her nothing but the best.

I don't really have anything personal because she was just doing her job. Whats Next? What follows is that I am going to be on the front lines to First of all, lead a resistance so that we can remove this man from office. One of the things I did was help him get in and I hope to spend the rest of my time getting Donald Trump out of office. What does that mean? that means you will if he doesn't get impeached or if he doesn't turn peachy or resign that means you will be out there whoever runs against him if a republican runs against him if i was a democrat that you will be campaigning against him three three levels one gardener registration is important to educate voters so they can get out, but I mean, I think you know, what I talked about in the book that I participated and continued to cooperate with the Malheur investigation so that I can expose the corruption and I will continue to do it and I will continue to expose the corruption that is happening, that is important and that is a big part of the reason why I travel the country and share this message of engaging, getting involved and making sure that you are at the forefront of the change that we have to see, okay, the book is

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, an inside account of the Trump White House and a row, Savannah Dalton appreciates it, thank you very much.