Omarosa Talks ‘Unhinged,’ Explains Why She Worked For Trump & Commits To Getting Him Out Of OfficeMay 04, 2020
I've got you here on Roland Martin unfiltered so let's get straight to the point though not with your book but with another book Bob we just dropped off your book people are talking about it and it was interesting that in your book you are describing many things that you have also described that really this place that is in total chaos and a president who is frankly treated like a child by leading like one yes one of the congressmen referred to the White House as a day care center for adults and I have to say I wouldn't disagree there were times we walked into the Oval and we knew we weren't going to have a productive day because he was in a really bad mood or saw something that triggered it, he was certainly upset. to understand any of the policies, the reports that we put in front of him, so we just scratch the morning and try in the afternoon, but that's how he was trying to work with this president in the fact that you described in your book that he was barely literate no I don't want to read papers having the reading comprehension if you will of an 8th or 9th grader yes you can read but reading and comprehension are two different things and what we quickly realize is if we simplify all the policies to bullets created on one page. made him look attractive then it would hold his attention long enough for him to get the basics down and so surely as an adult you're sitting there and it's going well this is the president of the United States this is the most powerful person in the world world. and you have to handle this person like a high school student yes but what you think are the consequences of not letting him make those decisions there are decisions in the White House that only one person in the entire country can make and that is the president, so we quickly realized that if he didn't make those decisions, things couldn't move forward.
It hit me now when Woodward
talksabout how Porter would steal. Porter would remove the documents. documents why some of the documents had to be autopen some things can be autopen but there were things that needed your signature that we would just wait and pose and delay which would delay the funding than with the deli things going up the hill and delayed moving our agenda, so seeing your thoughts on the anonymous post or the commas in the New York Times, people say that person does believe that way that he should resign, others say that they are doing Trump a disservice, he calls it treason , as I would do it? rate that particular person who wrote that article.
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I would say that it is very important to have adults in the room. It's important to have people who have had prior service and the government around them. We could all resign in protest. government and a lot of that was what I processed while I was there you can see a lot of the administration officials wrestle with whether we stay and try to right the ship or jump over the side of t ship and let it crash into an iceberg that's really what we're up against and I think the person who decided to stay to try and right the ship you know people are going to turn them into villains I would say it takes courage to stay in that white house is one of the environments most toxic I've ever
workedon so the question is why did she follow the campaign and work for it in the book that says during the campaign she says she's not a racist it's proportional and you base that on how she treated you yeah , yes, but you listen to the comments, we listen to the excess of Hollywood tape, we see how the intimidation tactics at rallies, we saw all of that.
I have been using the hashtag we tried to count. you the meaning that black people should try to tell everyone 9:00 quote but you 94 to black women 8 a black man I don't vote for this man we tried to tell you and so why you as someone who supported Hillary Clinton even went? working for him and campaigning and defending him for president, oh my gosh, you're going to get yourself in a lot of trouble saying this, but I think you'll appreciate it. I
workedin the Clinton White House and I hate to use this term, but I'm only going to use it because it's authentic.
I have become numb to a president misbehaving because I was in the White House during the impeachment process because that doesn't justify it. I'm just being transparent for when I get to know about the experience I described. with the Clintons as you know I worked for ready for Clinton ready for Hillary trying to raise money for her and when she did what she did with Quentin and all the black employees that have been loyal not hiring them taking an employee at the time I was disenchanted with the Clintons and when Donald called and said he needed my help I thought what harm it would do to help my friend and I described him clearly in the book as a friend a friend did you also think he was not going to win like what they say I think It's true I thought there was no way Donald would beat George Bush Ted Cruz Rubio all these people with tremendous donors inexperienced money messages media relationship boost I thought I'll support my friend we'll have a good time Donald go launch your Trump TV, which is what he was going to do if he didn't win, and during that you have blacks who call you a sellout, who call you a traitor, who criticize you and say how can you work for this man. who started his career being under investigation and being charged by HUD for not wanting to rent to black people how did you justify that when you had all this you put the name calling aside no you didn't justify we are still campaigning on his behalf going to rallies saying why should he get elected why black people should expect him to be president because i'm from the school of politics that thinks we should have representation everywhere we should have someone in the republican re party we should have some in the independent party Green Party Democratic Party I don't think African Americans should 100 percent support the Democratic Party or it will be taken for granted that they will exploit and use it so lemme lemme ask you believe it when you say you believe it or was it something like I got a Republican every time i said i was a
trumpguy which means i wanted my friend to win thats the bottom line i want him to win D onald
trumpnow when you start to go backwards in assessing the things that happen with his family when his family adjusted as you said to housing when people started talking about the middle part 5 i had a chance to ask him face to face about those things listen to his justification you say the first thing I that the housing issue said they sued my family's company and they sued multiple companies at the time it was not just a singular written lawsuit and explained what happened he said he was not trying to block African Americans. ad to take him to that, but Central Park five when he explained to me that if you understood which one I didn't understand that they had confessed and that's when Donald asked for the death penalty, I'm justifying, I'm just explaining what he told me he said that once they confessed was when he went after them, but during the campaign, even though when first of the others had been exonerated, the settlement was paid, he was asked, he said, I still support, him, what the White House is doing with DNA and I said, are you crazy ?
There's DNA evidence that shows they didn't do this and he still said I think they were guilty and that's when I realized he wasn't just misprocessing the information there was something seriously wrong with Donald Trump do you think he says You say things flatly, and part of your attitude is: I'll never apologize, I'll never take it back, but you love to apologize to other people? Donald Trump never apologizes, that's his modus operandi, that's something that he has committed to in life that he believes is a sign of weakness, for which he will never apologize, for which I think it makes him seem weaker, no It makes him seem strong, so he thinks that's because he exuberates Bob Weir's book where he says it was the worst speech he ever had to give when he had to attack white supremacists and neo-Nazis my own eyes when I walked in there I don't know if You remember we tried to set up a meeting with Tim Scott.
Tim Scott came over and they thought that was enough for racial reconciliation after Charlottesville and I lost him. We meet the only black America. We met with one side and he didn't really feel like he needed to do more. which i thought was ridiculous and didn't fix all the racial problems in the country in the eight years of the announcement so i had to take on the task of course i wanted to resign in protest. He annoyed me and then I realized if I'm leaving. there will be no one sitting here to keep this man in line with those impulses that are so dangerous to our country and i am looking to find one of the black republicans who are begging begging to serve who would be willing to take that position but they say kate blocks them James has said you blocked her outright the other Michael Steele they say you were the biggest impediment but I had no power so you can't have it both ways Rowland they can't say I was ineffective I didn't do my job . and I didn't have any influence and then at the same time I say I have to have the ability to stop hundreds of black Republicans from
gettinginto the White House.
He was not the presidential chief of staff. He wasn't the head of HR but they want to claim that because the truth is the GOP has had a bad relationship with black republicans ever since they still remember they had the black exodus all black republicans quit Reince Priebus ran against Michael still this Instead of stealing you say you say on your reservation that when your boy have I ever had this Black History Month gathering. Write their names. He passed by and said that he gave me trouble. Oh, all the sailors gave me trouble. Michael still gave me trouble when I said, well, the point, we're still, I mean, elroy to a position. he's quite a sailor sailor sailor friends not congressman JC chief of staff why yes she said L Ray would never pass the record he has criminal material i mean this is what came out of rank two previous his mouth not my mouth and still had issues with michael and some of the other black republicans but they want to blame me the truth is they had issues they had a black exodus all the black republicans quit because they had faith in the party which has nothing to do with it.
I want to talk about language and you say when he gave a speech you said I begged him not to say that we have to lose and also your people and you said that he never seemed to understand that he did not understand that your people and saying the black k love me , that's the problem, yes, he and other white men, the administration had problems with the language and the way they communicated with black people, it was not because they did not tell them because I corrected it over and over again, but he says , well, it's not me.
I don't want to say anything that's how I've been saying it for 50 years when he made his comment about countries that had been one of those countries that you went to Haiti for the inauguration of a new president and you write to him saying why you elected him . That shitty country is your first trip abroad. You waited until the confirmations were done and you went to Scotland and played golf at Turnberry, of course, where their homes are, and yet you say you did it. You had to remind him friend, you campaigned in Miami. over and over again we made all these commitments, but not only that, I went down, made commitments, went to the country, made commitments to the president of Haiti, so when he started speaking negatively about them, of course, those comments. s came out publicly, it was also my word along the lines of saying we were going to do better with Haitians than what the Clintons did, but we didn't, we've let them down, we turned our backs on him and he stopped TPS protections for Haiti . that was one of the main things I fought for while I was in administration, so it was just to show him that it was just him talking to a group.
I'll help you if he wants once he joins the Republicans around him. they shut it down and imposed their agenda on it and Donald Trump began to align with them remember he wasn't but they changed even though he hasn't even though he supposedly has more control now it's not like he rescinded the Haiti decision it's still in effect it's still in force and the same with El Salvador several other countries the problem is that because we have decided and when I say that the black leadership is deciding we are not going to deal with them for four years we are going to see what happens the problem is they can make decisions about TPS and not get any pushback because no one is going to go there and demand that they extend TPS because conditions in Haiti have not improved for people to bring 40,000 Haitians back to Haiti and it would completely ruin that economy that the president if Haiti is trying to rebuild you call Stephen and Stephen Miller suspected racists but then you go into Jeff Sessions in his racial history Do you think Jeff Sessions is a racist who doesn't like n people of color?
Yes, absolutely and why well, first of all, his history. I mean, not only has he used words that are inappropriate for African-Americans, but the aggressive ways in which he dismantles civil rights protections in this Department of Justice is just mind blowing, is that this man has worked to make sure that not only when we talk about justice andcivil rights and keeping our inner cities safe and funding them to improve police-community relations, he answered them so that instead of them
gettingbetter, they have also deteriorated and he would use Chicago as a great example and with that it is very interesting because this president often loves to talk about Chicago yes he has not left he refuses to go he refuses to go if they ask him what his plan is there is no plan because he has problems with Rahm Emanuel is so simple as that that is why also Puerto Rico suffers because he had an argument with the mayor of San Juan so damn people these petty arguments prevent people from getting the help they need so he says the reason why the one who says he did a great job in Puerto Rico now we know up to three thousand people died just the numbers there are simply more people who died there than died on 9/11 he still says that we did a great job yes because he thinks if he says so and it's true he just made a statement no Don't believe what you see just believe what you hear from me and that's because he has this cult following a cult of personality that really he will believe the things that are coming upon his men.
He talked about the work you did and what you were black. k folks, they were trying to help, one of the big problems was obviously HBCU and they got a lot of fire for it, the presidents went there, the picture they took in the Oval Office and do you believe that based on what they've written? here that that was the only area where you were at least able to do something while you were there. I did a lot with HBCUs. That example is getting Pell grants all year long. The Obama administration decided to cut Pell Grants for the summer, as you know.
HBCUs suffered over the summer without adequate funding. I went to MIT Melvin II and lobbied and fought for it and that was one of the things I was most proud of, but also to bring the 100 HBCU students to Washington and allow them see the government up close and personal first hand notice i did it without any staff role and remember valerie jarrett had 14 people working in her
officeshe feuded i only had one assist so i was able to accomplish these things not to the great It's a success I want it because I just didn't have the resources but to the best of my ability I also moved the HPC initiative from the Department location to the white house and I want to take care of the Education part because you clearly have no love for Betsy DeVos you go with her when she went to Bethune Cookman Howard University and you write that they dropped you off where they were supposed to be traveling somewhere and they left early she told you to call an uber she did it we had faced protesters and people were very angry and very aggressive and wanted to get violent with us and yet the next morning she left early and said we were just going to the building and I took over, okay or, I took him directly to the airport and flew back to the White House. and then you said you went to the white house and told trump who you meant as djt you said he shook his head in disgust says she's dumb devos because that's what he calls her yeah he calls her titties he devours well , he has no nicknames for everyone derogatory nicknames and he said he was going to get rid of her because he had basically made a deal for her to serve because of the amount of money she and her family had raised to support his campaign efforts , as well as your investiture, but about her you say that the depth and breadth of your ignorance is a parody for children.
I can tell you from years of sitting in those meetings and watching her that she is woefully inadequate and that she is not equipped for her job and then she said no. worry about your kids be scared i know very very crazy vision he just did towards Howard University put him in a category that will put a burden of $108 million on an already struggling institution put him in a classification that is equivalent to a beauty school, I think that was something that she did maliciously because she wanted to send a message and because she doesn't understand the historical contributions that the HBCU made to this country.
I You said before that you would not do it during the campaign. You said that she hasn't raised the breeds of her. He is racial. Now you would change your mind. What caused that change? using the n word which is number one more deeply so have you actually listened to the tape of him using the yes and I'm going to tell you I feel like I put myself in there hundreds of interviews you saw them saying this is my friend he says so much no it's races over and over and over again only to find out that he absolutely doesn't give a damn about African Americans or the community and in fact
talksthat way, insults us and thinks we're beneath him.
For me, putting myself out there over and over and over again is probably one of my greatest achievements, so working on this campaign and going to the White House, you saw a side of him that you hadn't seen in the previous fourteen years. the first week and within the first week when they passed the travel ban they called a travel ban but you and I know it was a Muslim ban and I went to them to explain that it is the Stephen Miller and Steve ban and he said this it's a ban on people of color and they're like what I'm saying, ninety percent of Muslims are people of color, you're banning people of color from coming to the country and they say they can't see it that way, they come from dangerous countries and i said this is absolutely ridiculous and that was the first sign that this administration was going to try to harm people of color through its political decisions and actions.
We talked about it on my show. The number of people who have been ousted from your administration who made racist comments. either on the radio other um print why do you think people or races have felt or very comfortable in this administration? they are very comfortable because there is a dog whistle that goes off to let them know it is now safe to say what you want to say thin gs that used to be said in private and behind the scenes now they come out in the open and then when they get arrested they say oh we didn't know that that was hurtful like saying don't fool around with this in florida yeah he said oh i don't i don't know that was a racial statement that's not entirely true.
Donald Trump has said that an enabling environment for these people to show their true colors and their true colors is that they don't care about people of color and they're not trying to move forward. agenda that will build unity in this country you are a person of faith what do you do what do you say to buy white conservative evangelical evangelicals who don't say anything when you make your comments they don't do anything here I have challenged Paula White and I was challenged by a person a channel I tried to challenge her on the comment I emailed her she said her comment was when she gave up she was talking to one of the TV shows and I criticized her she said the comments were taken out of context she says you know she and I will talk when I am back.
I emailed her and said okay let's do it and then while we're exchanging I text her and I'm exchanging emails and my Diller she is I mean she wanted to come sit with me because for someone who has frankly gained popularity preaching to black people leading a diverse Church in the African American church there in Florida, I think he owns black publications, an explanation as someone who is leading his council and so is the main deciding factor about faith in our administration and, You know, I speak in the book and wonder why you put her in the position where she could make these decisions, she would literally come into our
officeand the public liaison office and tell Ginny corn and other staff, this is what we gonna do with the faith but she let me carve out the black faith just for myself while she made decisions for evangelicals to advance their agenda so when when you see them don't say anything you don't see them even criticize him when he does the charlottesville takeover comment if in essence they co-sign and say it's fine as long as they give us right wing conservative judges do what they want they have made that agreement in fact in the meeting of ministers that we criticized me for having passed I don't remember I have passed the priests were able to answer any of my questions about what was discussed at the meeting the meeting of ministers basically made a pact that they would hand over their pulpits so that Donald Trump could go ahead his political agenda as long as he gave them what they wanted each of the elements of his evangelical agenda will be delivered in this administration you write in the book about not protecting or you have to protect yourself now we know you record it meetings or a number of different things, he Let's start with that, well, there's something when you say it, you know what I don't trust what's going on here.
I need to record these people on tape. from the beginning or something that actually happened but you said i have to do i have to do this right let's take black republicans for example who keep saying i never wanted to meet with them and y'all help them if i don't have those call recordings of them trying to get them to send candidates so that we could recruit them for positions in government agencies people would think that if I didn't record General Kelly locking me in the Situation Room threatening me and telling me the things were going to get ugly for me and my reputation it could get damaged no one would believe it but that's such an important role but something has to precipitate that so I mean when I was in Fort Worth and I knew in Texas it was consent of one of the parties and if they called me into the office from my editor, I could tell based on the tone.
I was like, you know what? I have my recorder. Let's see how this goes. Was there something that precipitated what you said all over? Well, I'm not going to. I have to record every meeting. There was a conversation. Something happened. You're going to say that I better protect my back and the way I'm going to do that is with the recording device? If you have ever read the book. I smoked this at the door, you understand as the only black person in the room sometimes you're going to hear things that are so shocking but even if you repeat it back to people they won't believe it.
There were moments where I knew if I didn't. cover my back no one would think it more important I would not be able to explain how the decisions were made how Donald Trump came to the decision to separate parents from their children at the border or if the genesis of that began I can't go into much more detail As you know, Donald Trump has decided to send his SiC legal team to me. I am in the middle of arbitration proceedings with him, but I will say that I do not regret making those recordings and protecting myself and we will use that. when we went into the court of law to demonstrate the corruption that I witnessed on the campaign trail, as well as in the White House if we were at a dinner and were nice to black people and people say they named the black people who couldn't stand Clarence Thomas probably first and his name will come up, how do you feel when blacks say no you can't?
I heard: a cookout, we don't want to see her, we don't want to talk to her, she's a traitor the further that the phrases they used to describe you are disgusting, how do you feel when black people say that? First of all, let's recognize that all blacks are not a model, just when you say blacks, that's not just a collective group and us. not everyone participates in the groups I think there is a large segment of African Americans who support me who supported me when I was inside who sent encouragement that went beyond swearing and saying things about cookouts and that kind of thing because I was the woman n in the arena there is this this poem about being the person in the arena who knows victory or defeat but what's worse is the person who doesn't put himself out there who has never fought i'm a soldier and so when people call me names and they throw threats at me the truth is if you're not at the table you're on them you're on the menu and i've been in politics for 20 years if you want to expose yourself i have to be prepared to take the bumps and the bumps and that's what I did, so if people want to insult and judge me, that's fine, but I had to make sure that the community I was meant to represent was there to represent, was represented when budget decisions were made. and taxes and housing and surveillance and if it means I'll be insulted or people won't invite me into their kitchen, so be it, I'm at the point where I'm going to host my own cookout because I've earned it through my experience, my education and ability to t I put myself out there and make a difference and when you're making a difference, you're not going to have everyone agree with you.
You're not going to be popular. lives for me and i stand my ground and what i did and what i regret is that more black americans don't get involved in a political process and they know why they don't because they see what happened to me the reason why they are discouraged from running for office are running for political office because they see the names they call me how people treat me how they avoid you and get discouraged so I don't encourage people we need you we need you in the race that gets them involved the we need in the fall during midterms and don't be discouraged by theThe names of the people or the detractors, the critics, are always going to be there, but what we need are people who are brave enough to put themselves out there to be change agents for our community and we need April Ryan more than anything to give interviews and a book comes out about what she says the trump administration is trying to destroy her career you two used to be friendly but you were supposed to see a bridesmaid or something at your wedding i got something in one of those lines and it's like everything is in the water, yeah do you believe this administration? he's trying to destroy her career she sees from the beginning that there was a file on her in my ticket Amol Bryant you immediately but that relationship I guess it doesn't exist let me tell you I have great respect for her you may not know this.
I met April when I first worked in the White House in 1998-99, when she was just starting out and I was just starting out, so he came up through politics and I'm glad she wrote a book so I can tell her story. , but I think it's important to understand that he had an amazing job to do in the White House that is not friendly to the press in general, they just don't like the press in general and have been aggressive towards it, sir. And I wish you nothing but luck. No hard feelings. Not really. I've moved on and you know the truth of the matter is that she shared a story about me being drugged and all of that, obviously, I mean I released the tape of the moment I walked in. the Situation Room until the time I got back to my condo, none of it was true, but it's because she was tricked and people used her.
I think the White House leaked that to her for her use and I'm sorry they did it for her sake. she has an amazing reputation and i wish her nothing but the best. I don't really have anything personal because she was just doing her job. getting this man out of office one of the things i did was help him get in and i hope to spend the rest of my time getting donald trump out of office what does that mean does that mean he will if he doesn't get indicted or if he doesn't go into peach or resign that means you'll be out there who runs against him if a republican runs against him if i was a democrat that you'll campaign against him three three levels a fielding record is important to educate voters so they can get out , but I mean, I think you know I've spoken in the book that I was involved with and I've continued to try to cooperate with the Malheur investigation so that we can expose the corruption and I'll continue to do that and I'll continue to expose the corruption that's going on. that's important and it's a big part of why i travel the country and share this message to get engaged, get involved and make sure you're at the forefront of change that we have to see right the book is
unhingedan insider account. from the Trump White House and a row Savannah Dalton I appreciate it, thank you very much
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