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Napoleon (Outlawz) on Snatching Puffy's Mic, Confronting Suge & Ice Cube (Full Interview)

Feb 21, 2022
what park said come on i want to go knock out this guy sugar how come let's do it together like two kids you know the main part needed someone to say you're not the little brother you're the star of the company sit here let us drive the job ok speaking of thug life one of the r rated members is actually in prison right now uh living for murder yeah sadly you know what i mean sadly. they had put him away for I would say man at least um maybe 15 years or so maybe more I'm not sure you know what I mean but I talked to him last summer you know I mean he's holding his head being positive we tried to draw attention to his case because for what seemed like self defense one of his big homies who came from the prison in his neighborhood kept trying to push him and he came to his house and defended himself and the guy died you know what I mean i mean yeah its a big tragedy when you look at pocks inner circle yeah for example i just met edie on vlad tv recently and she pointed out that he is the last person alive to hit him including producer johnny j you are the last surviving person on it depressing song sometimes think about it cause even johnny j is gone yeah even the producer yeah and another record all about you cause even nate isn't here anymore yeah bro when i saw that that's why i called edie me I was like you know never look at it like that you know what i mean and johnny j you know a lot of people don't know i did a whole solo album with johnny j like i was close to johnny j like he called me one day it was like moving i want to do your album he produced my album but then when i'm a muslim i moved to saudi arabia and i like you to know what i don't want to put out the album and the next thing i know i get a call a couple of months later you know what they say he killed himself they say you know what i mean but god knows it was some shady things surrounding his death that made it not add up you know what i mean yeah just look at all the people who have gone, I mean you got from the outlaws. just uh gaddafi is dead um fatal fatal is dead uh great psychiatrist except he's dead um you know rated r is doing prison life the park is dead um yeah yeah it's sad man when you look back sometimes i look at a picture and me and most of the people in that photo is gone you know what i mean great view gaddafi fatal park you know its sad definitely very sad a lot of tragedy a lot of tragedy with people who should still be here right now because none of them are that old when they passed away or all of them were young, you know what I mean, all of us are young, you know? w um gaddafi i think when he passed away 18 19 years old great shrink you know 40s fatal you know 30s you know marijuana 25 most people you know are shocked when they hit that pop he passes away he was only 25 when he died you know what i mean and most of people were surprised you know i think park would have changed and matured and just be a different person you know god willing yeah i mean the body of work for a 25 year old guy is just amazing yeah he's a hard worker, bro okay so apparently you had a situation where you snatched

puffy

's mic yeah man that was um that was crazy you know what I mean tretch invited us to come to um the awards mtv were doing, um, they were honoring biggie and pock and at that particular time trench had a song dedicated to poc and biggie had and

puffy

had a song dedicated um to begin with i didn't want to do it you know i mean um of course in e se moment our manager steve lobel was trying to really get us away from you know our little circle him and he tried to get us to start rubbing shoulders on another level so he said i think this would be good for his career to show that all of you onstage with puffy and i was still in that mindset back then like i can't do it you know what i mean but the rest of the outlaws it's like we have to do it you know what i mean it's good for our careers , even big cycles, are like man do it and I was like man no so after a while.
napoleon outlawz on snatching puffy s mic confronting suge ice cube full interview
I came up with this plan you know and I kept it to myself you know I was drinking of course and intoxicated and I said I'll wait until we live on TV and just take the mic off puffy like why are we? live you know what i mean in rehearsal i'm already drinking and drunk so in rehearsal i'm saying lights and flashes and i can't tell the difference between rehearsal or live tv so while he had the mic i snatched it from him . he, you know what I mean, and um, he came and tried to get it back, we got into a little fight, security came, kicked him. we out there you know the outlaws were upset steve lobel tretch was upset because he put his name on the line um and he shot kim like i said he shot kim that's the family so he shot kim he came you know into our room it was like you know puffy wants to talk with you and you have to come and i went to this little side room he was in there with his kids they couldn't have caught me you know i mean i don't even know why i did it so i walked in the room and puffy was in there with his kids and he said why you do it you know I said you know why I did it man no let's not even go back and forth you know what I mean and um it was one of those things I was just a wild young man you know that my emotions couldn't, I couldn't stay calm and um yeah it happened ok so he just let you go right then and there yeah yeah you know it's not him. he could have done like you know what I mean like I still have my like you know everyone was with me around the corner he was probably just trying h I was trying to figure it out.
napoleon outlawz on snatching puffy s mic confronting suge ice cube full interview

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I remember him saying why you did it. You know what I mean and I think Big G Big G is easy man he was the only one there with me with Shot Kim and I feel awkward because I'm looking at shaq shakema's family so I know he won't get me in such a detrimental situation for me you know it detrimental so im looking at shakim like why you bring puffy and all his guys to safety and tell me to go? well you know g came with me but i'm like you know why you brought me back here and puffy was like why did you do that i was like you know why i did that you know what i mean we can't even leave no and i remember him saying something as a man i saw him about to move to europe i'm tired of this mess and then we moved away i never saw him again after that but i'm sure that's probably one of the reasons why which our careers failed.
napoleon outlawz on snatching puffy s mic confronting suge ice cube full interview
I didn't really go up because at that point you know people still hated us on the radio and we felt like black balls. ed at that particular time well you were there during the situation where Park ran into nas yeah I was there and apparently you brought all your jersey guys with you like 30 guys that had guns yeah we were deep we were tied up you know yeah i remember um we know i watched an

interview

uh that snoop did that we had on our channel that said you know snoop i guess he was there too and he said like pog had a hundred guys with guns and nas had a hundred guys with guns and it was a very tense situation yes what snoop was saying more or less so what he said was not accurate when he was like um like nas gay parker passed as snoop but zach's words were like you know i'm from the streets i'm a gang member so that i saw if nas wanted us i could have let you know that he rolled in the pot which was which was far from the truth because like i said i was there with jersey all my friends were there and we were tied up and then you had gaddafi and l the doom boys were there they were tied up ped and then you had the outlaws i mean so you had death row members there and security there dont get me wrong nas was deep i think if it had happened it probably would have been a bloodbath it would have been an unfortunate situation but i appreciate the way naz and park handled the situation you know what i mean i think that is something that should go down in hip hop history two generals were able to show the rest of the people how to deal with a manly situation talk about it shake his hand and move on you know what i mean so i think it was great the way the pocket knives handled it well before the vegas incident there was a situation where Snoop was in New York and he got on the radio and said he has no problem with uh biggie or puffy or whatever those are his friends but I remember in an

interview

you did recently you talked about About how before that snoop was in the studio with poc insulting biggie and puffy right you know what i mean is why pot see?
napoleon outlawz on snatching puffy s mic confronting suge ice cube full interview
People were making it seem like Pock was just an angry hater. You know what I mean he was trying to get other members of death row to come and participate in his fight with the bad guy, but that's not true. Pock and Snoop fell out. not just because he talked to angie martinez and he said that's my homie because if he was like that from the start park would have respected you know what i mean if he said show up from the start like look man I don't want to have nothing what to do with this beef, they're my friends, i can't get involved, park would have respected that, but when snoot was in los angeles, he was doing songs, this and biggie badmouthing biggie and puffy, you know what i mean, um then. go to new york remember when they were filming that video biggie got on the radio and some people came and shot him he came back and started making diss records against biggie so parker is the type of person if you go straight and say nah i'm not getting g involved in your problem you're going to say no problem so i wasn't mad at snoop about it i was just mad because i felt like when snoop was in los angeles i was riding with him against biggie and then when he got to New York. he said he wasn't there, you know what I mean, so Park was hurt.
Do you remember any of the verses that Snoop was doing against Biggie in them? He's got some verses, man, I don't remember offhand, but I remember listening to it verbatim. mentioning like you know Biggie sighs and you know what I mean and I remember him dead I remember him really coming to Biggie you know what I mean like I was coming to that big man it wasn't like it wasn't definitely no secret that's why pock was upset you know how he loves weed snoop and i'm sure snoop loves pop we're not going to take that from them they had a really good relationship but park wasn't just mad because he went up there and said those are his folks i was mad because i felt like i was playing both sides yeah a and i guess you feel kind of because snoop never really admitted to any of this or i said so you know when i kept listening to these interviews it seemed like snoot kept pulling poc under the bus and that's the only reason i talked about it because i was ignoring it you know when i watched a lot of interviews it seemed like snoop was just pushing the pop like throwing pock under the bus it was an interview ist i saw he did with jada pinkett and jada pinker he was picking on snoop for using a b word and somehow he just mentioned the name of the park again you know what i mean well the park is the one so that i felt like a friend you your pop friend you shouldn't always bring him up in negative conversations because he's not here to defend himself and you say you're his friend let us remember him in a positive way we already have too many people who are trying to highlight the negative things that dad did because of course he made a lot of mistakes he was a young guy so as a friend you should highlight the positive things you know what I mean and it seemed like he was always pointing out that Park was the one who made them it made me disrespect women again and stuff like that, which is why I talked about it, you know what I mean, well, the Las Vegas incident. where they kill tupac since our last interview i sat with kefi d who was the last surviving member in the car that shot tupac's car yes yes you saw the whole interview i didn't see the whole interview you know what i mean i think I checked for a few minutes and I just couldn't see it you know what I mean because it's hard for me to watch an interview of someone who admits they were in the car with the people who killed a person who was like a brother to me you know which i mean so i just couldn't do it you know what i mean you knew who kfd or orlando was before that situation not before the situation after the situation happened it was like a war in compton after that you know what i mean and then we started hearing like them from this neighborhood um kefi d um nephew was orlando anderson orlando anderson was a was known to be a writer you know what i mean was known to be a legit gangster was known to be a good gangster that's what he was, worries on the streets you know what I mean but I've never heard of him before.
Homies so I knew about you, you know where to go, what to deal withstay away but i never heard of them you know what i mean i knew for example that um when puffy and biggie were coming to LA they were hiring them for security thats how the first time i think i started hearing about the southsiders ok kefi d lays out the whole story what led up to this whole situation the night of the actual shooting and then the aftermath yeah of that particular event uh you know for anyone who thinks there's a spicy conspi that should have killed marijuana or the government had somehow killed him, just watch that interview from start to finish and you'll see the exact timeline that matches the timeline of everyone else who was actually there and what the rumors were that I had heard.
That the arm sticking out the window wasn't a skinny arm like Orlando's, it was more of a stocky, muscular arm, yeah, you heard the same thing, I heard the same thing, you know what I mean, I heard the same thing that, um , I'm kind of even. I heard Orlando wasn't the one that of course someone in that car did it but it wasn't him. in this life you know what i mean it will not go away from god they don't know what i mean you can run you know what i mean you can you can do your best you know what i mean because park unfortunately you know what what I mean, we know that these things happen in the streets vlad I know what I mean, I only wish for that park because he is a very intelligent person, we cannot change the past, I only wish that night he would have reacted differently, you know what i mean because he knows better than park he's the type of person who used to teach us not to do this kind of thing but unfortunately when it's your time it's your time you know what i mean what can you do?
Yes, I mean Edie and me. We talk a lot. We are friends. We live close. We hang out and he has always described it as a perfect storm of bad events. they shouldn't have seen orlando and mgm you know that car should never have hit tupac's car like all these things just go very very wrong yeah and it all fell into place when it's written for us to go see and die , you know what I mean, it's going to happen, you know what I mean, yeah, and I guess you know when you talk about a perfect storm of bad events, yeah, if you really think about it after a situation like that in the mgm just when everyone knows they just stomped on someone from the then uth side crips which is the enemy death row gang yeah that's right you know and bob pyro you would think well at this point we need to get in a car bulletproof we need to move stealthy you know we need tinted windows and on and on but from what i understand it was the day before

suge

knight bought that bmw wow i didnt even it was the bmw seven series front line so you know you don't there was x5 or x7 at the time so you're Talking about the best car from one of the best uh you know manufacturers so he should probably want to show that exactly he wanted to floss and he had his little buddy with him who was the biggest star in the world.
Yes, it is true that I wanted to. everyone to see it he wanted the windows until he did it because he just bought the car and because of that which I guess is what happened of course you know you got a new car of course you want to drive it yes you do. floss on him you know what I mean and also floss on him and also for you know why a gang mentality especially you know maybe sugge homies and I don't know I can't speak for them , but maybe they probably thought, okay, we're in Vegas, this isn't the, maybe they don't have that? a lot of guns with them, maybe they're not going to try this, not a lot of them, so they probably thought maybe when we get back to LA, we'll really have to be on point, but we're in Vegas, this is this. neutral grounds for everyone there's no one so I guess they felt they felt lacking you know what I mean I guess they felt it couldn't happen then and um and they knew what I mean well yeah I mean the kvd interview they talked about how after the mgm incident they were hanging out with this zip guy who was one of puffy's guys and they took his gun yeah and you know there was a rumor that puffy was supposed to pay like a million bucks or whatever for success and i recently interviewed tk kirkland do you know where i'm going with this? i want to hear but tk kirk is funny though man tk kirkland yes he was actually best friends with eric von zip wow they were roommates yes wow and tk kirkland confirmed zip was paid half a million dollars from puffy wow wow wow but but zip kept that money wow so he pretty much confirmed confirmed it on tape and z zip is dead now yeah he's out of cancer but zip took that money bought like a night club or something this is crazy and never and never gave it to a kefi d in orlando about them well the story that went around was after tupac was killed puffy supposedly gave the money i heard to zip yeah and it was supposed to zip he would give the money to kefi there yeah but he never gave the money to but thank god he never gave him the right money think about it if he gave him the money the cub will be in prison now money for hire a murder for hire so thank god if this is a true story i'm not saying do yes or no but if he had given him the money it would have been a murder for hire and puffy gets locked up but in a way that saved puffy because if he had given that money puffy could potentially have been in a murder for hire but since he just gave this guy some money and the guy pocketed it and now he's bloated to death he can't really be tied to anything man that's crazy bro that's crazy but I wouldn't be surprised, you know what I mean, I wouldn't be surprised because we hear these rumors as well. you know and when you were a scary guy vlad like from what i knew and i'm talking during those days during those times puffy was very intimidated of shug you know what i mean so when you're a scary guy you have money it's easy for you to pay someone to do your dirty work for you you know well you know you know we're just talking about a great psychiatrist yeah huh when you talk about the thug life one of the members is doing life for murder in this time yeah rater r you knew him yeah i knew him real well you know he was close with radar um he was a homie i talked to him in the summer you know what i mean i talked to him last summer um he was trying to help to call attention to his case because I have a friend of mine who just came home tried again 55 55 years in prison for having us well so angelos you know what I mean so he just came home after turn 15 and they invite him m uch to the white house and he knows he's trying to help Loon he's trying to help a Few other people get out of prison early so I put him in touch with R rated art so you know what to I mean by how it seemed that his situation was in self-defense.
One of his great friends came home from prison and tried to push on him and rate him everything you know what they say he fought back and the guy let you know the guy died you know well you had a situation I guess after the death of the park you faced the ice bucket yeah man it was um i was in a uh there was a producer guy called an eye and um he was fine with me he had a group that was trying to ride from jersey and he used to produce for him but also I was producing for a

cube

at the time and one day he called me into the studio and said maybe you'd get into this. track i did with

cube

and um back then my whole mindset was like look lori pot comes first i don't care about the track you know i forget songs but it seemed like cube used to take shots in pock you know what i forgot about the song exact, but I asked him in the studio.
I'm like a cute man and soon it seemed like I was looking down on the pop man. Could you insult poc? him as a guest in a studio and he came up to me like this and he, you know, he looks shocked on his face like no, I wasn't that into weed, he walked out of the room and, um, he never finished his song, you know what I mean. and I think it probably took 30 minutes 40 minutes so I left and the next day the guy one night called me he's l What did you say to the man?
I was upset. I was like nah, just ask him if he did it. You know he was insulting poc. He was like a man. You ruined the chance of you being in the song with ice cube and but you know what I mean my goal back then um vlad my mood was like my allegiance come with poc like I ain't gonna try you know I mean now what the park is dead you know people shoot 'em and just because i want you to know more about my career i'm just going to know i just couldn't do that you know what i mean that's why i couldn't be on stage with puffy at the mtv awards, i just couldn't do certain things maybe because of career.
It probably would have been better to do those things, but I couldn't do them back then, you know what I mean, right? And you and Little Sees talked on the phone at a time after he talked to the young nobleman, you know, Little C talked to the young man. nobleman and they talked to each other on the phone and they were about to fight like barking at each other and then just that the conversation took a positive tone and you know they started talking like a man after 20 odd years we were still mad at each other why and noble told me what happened he was like a man you know i said give him my number give me his number i want to highlight it so i talked to him and it was all love you know what i mean it was all love we never met We met, you know what I mean, he was just riding around Biggie, we were riding around the park 20 years later. our two generals are dead, why continue with these ignorant things? 'Cause you never know, man, that park was alive, I probably would have smashed meat with Biggie, you know what I mean, I agree, I definitely agree because these are 20-year-old men. just a kid they're kids you're right yeah well since our last interview Suge took a 28 year plea deal when you heard that news because at one point outlaws were assigned to death row and I remember that that was not all. what a great situation i remember me and edie we just talked and he was saying that

suge

had some kind of disagreement with the outlaws or interscope and ended up stopping the promotion of the outlaws album yeah so you know you were on that album too of course you yeah on that album I was, um, I was the one who went to see Suge Knight personally in prison, I looked him in the face and I said, I wanted to, we want to get out of that shot, you know what I mean because I didn't want to go to Their backs. while he was in prison they just wanted to send him a lawyer and i said no i think its ok for us to do it like men i want to go see him face to face and tell him to release us and he said he was prison right now there is no problem y'all don't want to be in you know i won't keep nobody who don't want to be down ok i'll let you go but he never released us two months three months six months so we had to sue him um it wasn't money out of all we had to sue to get out of death row so i gu I mean, at the time he was kind of upset, like he spent money on the out the outlaw album, you know, he played us when we first got back to LA, they kicked us out of almost every hotel you can imagine in LA and he kept paying like you know what I mean and then he put us in the house in the valley we wrecked this house and he kept paying so I guess when we got out of the corridor of death and said it as if he felt like we owned it, you know. what i mean is he felt we owe him and i told him another time he could face it when he got home and you know the man should calm down now but when he first came home from jail there was some fiction so ran it. to edie and he said yes they all owe me money and i remember edie called me and i said what did you say?
The 80's like I just ignored them and said no edie man you can't ignore a person like that you figured. to where he is and that's when i call bone you know what i mean and i call bone and i call like my cousins ​​and my brothers i am like the sugars in this studio let's go up there and tie up and we all tie up and go up there and we confronted them and i was like shaken lemme yell at you and we sat down you know what i mean and my homie queen reeves right all of us not roddy my brother bone was there and i said sugar i heard you say we owe you money because im the vlad type of guy i'm not a big gangster i'm nothing like that but i'm the type of person i know street politics you know what i mean i know and i know sug you know what i mean and i see how i should move if he says you have money and you don't confront him so you have money you're just going to have to pay him you know what I mean so I said no I'm going to try to cut this in the ass now so I went to the studio we sat down with Sugar and he said: yes, you owe me money and I don't feel like you don't I owed nothing, you know what I mean, I was honestwith him and I think that's why he always had a lot of respect for me because I ways was honest with him and straight up and he was fine I'm just going to get it from interscope from, you know, from the white man that's what he said you know what i mean and then after that our relationship just grew better and you better know what i mean cause we parked homies he pops homie whats the reason to keep crashing you know crashing you know what i mean alright when you heard about his 28 year plea deal what did you think i felt sorry for him i felt sorry for him because he had an empire you know what i mean he had an empire and it was sad you know it went from top to bottom and from that way that style you know what I mean um bone is a close friend of mine of course so you know what I mean he was upset about what happened with bones and sugars we became friends too we grew up to have mutual respect, it was a situation sad tion you know we don't wish that on anyone you know 28 years in prison f he's just a sad man like he suggests like pock he should have had people around him i think death row was worth half a billion dollars.
There's supposed to be people around him telling him no, you can't act like that, man. you can't behave like that when you cut when you have to know how to adjust you know what i mean and unfortunately he didn't want to adjust and the people he was running scaring would eventually get you you know i mean they were waiting for a reason and he brought it to them he brought it on himself unfortunately yeah i mean you cant intimidate everyone nah nah you just cant you can intimidate who you think you can intimidate but once you start dealing with people with money these people are gangsters in their own way in a way Completely different way, gangsters where they put you in a cell, you know what I mean and you can't do anything, so it's just the mentality of the man that when you really come from a neighborhood and you do it, you try, you try to change like you.
I don't want to go looking for trouble that's the last thing you want because you say look where I come from look at how far I've come why would I know what I mean jeopardize this to try and act like a gangster it's sad that that happened to him like that you know what i mean yeah yeah well you have good number one you live in saudi arabia and you have your own coffee shop yeah yeah mw cafe yeah yeah so congratulations on that and you have a book to publish i have a book to publish is written by a friend of mine suleiman jenkins he from brooklyn you know what i mean so thats great he is from brooklyn new york he has lived in saudi for 20 years he is an amazing writer he is an educator you know what to I mean, it's actually at an academic level, he was able to take my book that it doesn't matter if you're from the neighborhood you're Muslim you're Christian you're black you're white you're from the street you're not from the street the way he wrote the book the style everyone could relate i know with him you know what i mean and believe it or not vlad man i know probably every rapper says this but my life is crazy like you know what i want to say and when i read it i even re-read it, I thank God that I was able to survive this.
You know what I mean. he burst into tears you know what I mean and this and he wrote it in a way that you don't know that's not where most rappers when they write books just want to portray how tough they are and you know what I mean but he did it academically it's amazing I think God is willing to go you know it can be beneficial to people you know what I mean I'll send you a copy man tell me what you think oh yeah no I definitely want a coffee definitely and you know when you and I started sitting down and you told me your parents story huh I mean I started crying myself it's just yes definitely definitely something no kid should definitely experience man and that's just one in part you know what I mean that's just like e after my parents died it just wasn't easy you know my brother my brother was a big him he became the man on the block you know what i mean, my brother he became the one everyone had to buy. his job and so the same guys we grew up with who we thought were our relatives and friends ended up trying to kill my brother you know what I mean so similar to what happened to my mom , father, it almost happened to my brother while he was at home with his wife and this kid, so my whole life had been a drama and then I ran into Park and then he ran into the situation and then Gaddafi and then you know what I mean, I really didn't feel peace and and a normal life until I became a Muslim, you know, yeah, and here you are living in Saudi Arabia with your family, your kids, there's no violence, there's no crime, there's no drama, definitely You have a legit coffee business, yeah mate, congratulations on turning everything around. because statistically you sh I shouldn't be here right now yes true true thank god you know what I mean thank god definitely good muto man until next time thank you very much always a pleasure brother okay peace me peace

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