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Nigel Farage: I despise what the Conservatives have done to Britain

Sep 02, 2022
I think they're headed for a '97-style annihilation right now. I really do, and frankly they deserve it. Hello and welcome to the script. My name is Stephen Edgington. see the challenges facing the country

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joins me to discuss the biggest issues of the day, from mass migration to the energy crisis, are we seeing the end of the conservative party? that we don't like the job you know the classic where first past the post politics has now led us in this country we don't vote for who we like we vote oh well they dislike us but we dislike others even more it's very strange the way our la politics has now become in the last election corbyn was a huge negative factor in the 15 election there was oh my god the snp we can't stand the thought of them being a coalition just vote conservative a and you start to understand that as conservative voter you are just lied to every election i know in some kind of telegraph towers saying these things almost sounds like heresy but its true they never had any intention of controlling inflation no intention of cutting the numbers they are the eco fanatics on the most staggering scale they raised taxes to the highest level since clement atlee was in power since 2010 they

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stripped the royal air force the navy and The military law and order in many parts of our big cities is now gone and I mean gone to the point that without a kind of rudy giuliani New York style hard man attitude may never I am back.
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they have become the weakness of their so-called leaders their total lack out of connection to the real world i thought cameron and osborne weren't in touch with real people this group is even more disconnected and now i actually have to the point i hope they lose i hope they lose a lot because that's the only way we're going to get a recalibration of what the good conservative party really is the history of the conservative party is one of adaptation and has been one of the most flexible political organizations in world history.
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It is the most successful political party that has ever existed and is capable of adapting and reinventing itself in several different general elections. reinvented itself in 2019 as a party that believed in brexit and implicit in that believed in border checks look what's happening they can't play that game again but they have a new leader coming see you soon probably liz trust she can change things well, you know, can i stay, who voted three times for the sellout of mrs may? first question i would ask i dont know the answer to that nor do you have the character the temperament the depth of personality to take on these huge challenges these huge reforms that need to be

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when she is going to have the civil service the bbc much of the press against her , I don't know, I mean someone who knows how well she told me when

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the only good thing is that she's angry enough to maybe try to do anything maybe that's the good thing but the evidence is that you know the the The evidence is that Oscar Wilde didn't once say that the second marriage is about the triumph of optimism over experience and this is now the fourth Tory leader in six years and every time we say it's going to be great, Theresa May is going to be wonderful. even though she wasn't she was a disaster boris johnson is going to be great we elected him as a conservative he ruled as a liberal and now we're thinking liz trust is going to be great where is the evidence to back up na da of that i seek i will say this for the good of the country i hope i am wrong and i really mean it but i doubt i am and i and i dont believe the london based politician class i dare say on telegraph towers the media understands how disliked up to 50 per cent of 2019 conservative voters are recent polls are fascinating exit voters are dropping the conservative party in fringes and as you say liz trust is a remnant however she has become the brexiteer type of rep from this leadership campaign very briefly let's talk about your rival rishi sunak why hasn't he connected with conservative voters? you want to know um and completely fraudulent it made me laugh though his little video that he did on the cross channel migrant crisis had me in it and then he was wearing a wax jacket it was brand new never had one before and the next day it's on a pub meeting the lads in the pub and pulling the pins I mean don't make me laugh it's completely fraudulent on every level so when you look at the senior leaders of the Conservative and Labor parties compare that to the type of history precedent from the politicians we've had we're in a political glut right now there are no competent people there are no historical figures ready to turn things around i mean look if we go back in time we have been plagued with incompetence i know i mean that Gilbert and Sullivan made a pretty good living out of this, you know, in the late 1800s, but there are great figures that come along over time. 80 years later or not is another question but I mean wow imagine you won an election and set up this apparatus of a national health service and all this amazing stuff churchill obviously well that speaks for itself um thatcher clearly a giant figure blair huge huge i don't agree with the fact that our population has increased by 8 million since 2002 he started it but hey it was the tories that continued so we've seen big numbers all along of the years we've seen headline figures over the years I look at the current leadership of the labor party and what I think we'll have next week with a conservative party and they all look like career politicians to me sorry maybe I'm getting old maybe I'm getting too cynical but that's how it seems to me they are not great people and great people it doesn't mean you have to agree with them but they can still be great people because they represent something, they represent something, what these people really represent. one of the people you mentioned was margaret thatcher and she has become very relevant in this leadership campaign she has become the historical benchmark for both candidates both candidates are trying to emulate some of her great bravery and courage in the face of the socialism she faced in the 1970s and of course Soviet communism at the time as well, do you think the Liz Trust can somehow replicate that Thatcher ethos?
nigel farage i despise what the conservatives have done to britain
Well, she could wear the same clothes and she could try to sound the same. half the person i can be wrong i doubt she is half the person look this party has lost half its vote since 2019 just think about it for a minute all you boris lovers out there oh my god it's terrible remorse for The vendors just reflect on the fact that this man has lost half his vote in two years that's why he's gone he's not going to get those people back it's going to take a huge effort to get the people back involved Working Britain and the British working class tain, it's going to be something very, very special now, if I were a Tory member I would vote for her, not rishi, on the element that her gamble pays off in the sense of which maybe she surprises but i just think the brand is dead i don't know what it stands for i'll be honest with you i think they are headed for a 97 style elimination right now i really do and frankly they deserve it , let's talk a little more about Marga ret Thatcher this is a fascinating politician someone you have admired throughout your political life and there is a lot of debate within the Conservative party these days about whether we should go for a straw economics eh yes we have been through 20 at this point years of what they call statism or you know, like you mentioned earlier, taxes are the highest they've been in 70 years, so the regulations are huge, the massive welfare state, so this is an argument and the The solution to that is Thatcherism, it is neoliberalism, it is cutting welfare, it is cutting taxes.
nigel farage i despise what the conservatives have done to britain
The direct comparison with Thatcherism is ridiculous. Now we are talking about 43 years ago. It is foolish to compare one with the other. We have gotten into a mentality where big government is presented as the answer to all problems and hey, who has been the big government party for the last 12 years? Conservatives have never rolled back the size of the state and you. Can I talk about the pandemic, I mean have you driven on the m4 lately? You drive from Reading to Heathrow, it's like big in China, there are cameras everywhere, speed, you're absolutely terrified that a land is happening in our country and all of this in the last 12 years has happened under a Conservative government that seems to be leaning before big things because big is good.
They have ignored all the little people. Now I think the idea of ​​downsizing i a state brexit was the perfect opportunity to do that, hugely onerous rule book, you know our five and a half million small traders and self-employed people had to live by this was the opportunity to take the burden of wealth off them the opportunity with financial services is still our biggest industry not only in canary war for the city but in cardiff in birmingham in manchester everywhere insurance companies etc. to review all EU legislation in the first year of your programme, I mean what you have been doing.
There is an alternative view of the last 20-30 years of economic policy in Britain and this comes from the Tories who are more on the McMillan end of the argument. and they would say that tony blair was the heir to margaret thatcher we have had economic liberalism since the 1980s we have seen massive deregulation we have seen banks massively deregulated well c Compared to the 1970s the deregulation of Margaret Thatcher was has remained in terms of absolute myth. It is one of the biggest myths you can find. That the applause of 2008 was due to the fact that we deregulated the banking center.
No, we have not removed it from the Bank of England. they've been doing it since 1694 and they gave it to a bunch of bureaucrats tick tock tick tock failed merchants 2000 of them in canary wharf working for what is now known as the fca it was the bureaucratization of everything that led to it came out wrong and I remember very, very well talking to a very old financial markets journalist who worked at the express, had worked here for a while and I told him that after Northern Rock went bad, I told him what if the bank of england has still been running you know the banking and building society industry is so easy he said the boss adam applegath they would have summoned him to london they would have met at the usual corner table at the savoy grill and more coffee he they would have said cuckold or you will act and instead all that experience, all that knowledge was replaced by a bureaucratic regulatory model which is what blair did to

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, you know, he gave massive power to unleash i mean i complained about brussels all those years but hey we have enough problems here with appointed unelected regulators interpreting the law as they see fit and terrorizing i mean talk to anyone either from compliance or HR in companies, I mean people who live in fear of these people and this culture. and in 12 years of Conservative rule none of that has changed, in fact liz truss seems like you know she wants to introduce a new law to stop builder wolves from hissing at women as they walk down the street and you ask me if the trust It's going to change things well, I'm just curious, but the Thatcher reforms may have gone too fast and, for example, those communities, the mining communities, the communities that existed, that were based on this, right?
I mean, I understand our conservative mining communities vote well, you could argue that they had some kind of massive economic destitution that resulted in enormous levels of depravity that are still pervading to this day and there are some

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who argue that the Thatcherites and the neoliberals also focus a lot on this efficient economic argument about free trade and globalization and there is not enough focus on living standards look these are outdated arguments you know this is an essay on what we were talking about 40 years ago 30 years ago now we are where we are are like this we want the state to be smaller yes we believe free markets provide solutions to all problems including just-in-time supply chains no we don't believe there is such a thing as national interest we believe there is such a thing called security we believe in self sufficiency I mean you know the Conservative government closed the facility raw storage facility on the east coast our gas storage facility why not thewe needed because big global companies have told us just in time supply chains are enough no there is a case here there is a case here for strategic economic nationalism does that go against easing the burden of regulation on little people? no it's not a different economic imperative and I bet if Thatcher was alive today she'd be saying what the hell we're going to sell, you know, chip companies, steel companies to the Chinese, there's no way Margaret Thatcher, the great fribonita, you have done those things because some things are more important and then you have a conservative party with the worst of all worlds, it does not seem to believe in capitalism in the sense that the small businessman gets on it, it never seems to act in the national interest , I mean what the hell is it, now let's talk about inflation, this is one of those massive problems, a disease of money, as I know you once called it, I do, I still do every day. could be looking at 2 0 real conditions wow pay cuts this year well actually i i i yes here we are so the liz trust will take over in a couple of days and you have the NHS crisis the cost of living crisis the potential energy crisis crisis after crisis a crisis no one has talked about the possible sterling crisis no one has even thought it's all too hard the money is in town we shouldn't bother our little heads with it well i'll tell you what you know the sterling dollar has fallen from 130 to 116 over the course of the last few weeks, unless you've been on vacation or trading abroad, you wouldn't have realized what matters because because we're not energy self-sufficient because boris insisted we wouldn't be self-sufficient. build a ridiculous number of wind farms and import vast amounts of diesel and indeed some coal that we still need for steel we buy gas and oil in dollars the world trades commodities in dollars the weaker the pound the more pounds we have to pay to buy oil in dollars even higher consumer prices go with people's gas bills company gas bills and everything else and if you look at it it's very interesting it's not just the pound this week this it's not 1976 in the imf bailout the euros broke parity with the dollar why a six word answer energy we have problems in the sense that we can't exist without i mean did you know we import electricity from norway just amazing just amazing what these globalist idiots in both parties have done us on a bad day we import over 10 of our electricity now norway now we have said ok given where e We are there may be no more electricity and the French of course when it comes down to it will do the exact same thing so we found out we are in a real genuine situation all this america is energy self sufficient trump guaranteed me i'm afraid there are now some ambrose evans pritchard has written very eloquently in the last few days about how the germans have been building up reserves r i really realize their mistake and take that view, however i suspect there might be more surprises to come from who is in Ukraine, hey, he has us where he wants, sanctions, oh, we are sanctioning food, sanctions are hurting us much more. that host putin has found new markets in india and china and elsewhere so i fear sterling will run towards parity with us dollar inciting panic means interest rates will rise much faster than anyone thinks and, of course. inflation if if the pound falls as a country that imports too much it could hit 25 this winter it's going to be very difficult for millions of Brits especially as as you mentioned energy prices skyrocket many people could be without power they could running out of heat this is a complete and utter disaster how does one approach this situation as a free marketer someone who believes in shrinking a state as someone who believes printing more money and causing inflation which i do fully believe So do we have any more brochures?
Do we have a license? How do we help people this winter or allow them to be well? I mean, first things first. us and in fact the man who put me on it was christopher booker sunday telegraph in 2000 who explained to me that the wind project, the lack of investment in nuclear power would mean that at some point we would run out of power so everyone Credit to the Saudis. telegraph that's what first put me on this 20 years ago we need to become energy self sufficient we need to start producing more food you don't know any more about this reconstructed beaver crap that johnson or boris talked about they say it's funny isn't it ? end of coal said a policeman 26. it's the end of coal the indians and chinese this year will burn four billion more tons than ever in human history i mean do you realize natori could have lost it become some kind of metropolitan liberal club happy in its notting hill echo chamber and unrelated to the real world i have to say i am short term there will be no way around it other than massive state leaflets and i say despite all my points of view and all my beliefs there is going to have to be massive state aid not to say risks, I'm afraid that in a country that has been spoon-fed by the state, you know if it's a suspension or whatever, you have increased the people's expectations of what the state will do. if you don't, you risk unpaid wholesale bills and perhaps civil disorder that would dwarf the poll tax. over a decade and more, um, that's what's going to have to happen, our debt will start heading towards two and a half trillion, maybe two and three-quarter trillion, funny isn't it, when Cameron became prime minister , it was 650 billion and yet when I stood up? in the leaders debate in the ion 2015 general elections and pointed out what had happened to the national debt.
David Cameron met me and said now we have reduced the deficit and no one questioned him. We are run by morons. going over both sides we have not had honest discussions with the british public this particular situation in the short term is going to need there are disability reasons i have talked about a lot of state money i hate to say that but i have said but we need a complete reversal of the strategy i don't want nationalize I don't want to nationalize the state you know convert gas into electricity in all companies like in France with edf I don't want to do that but I wouldn't mind the government investing or working as co-partners in the development of the La Concha gas reserve bowling all right and then we could enjoy lower prices don't believe for a minute the treasure trash the white hole trash it doesn't matter if we produce the gas or someone else does because everything is available at world prices look what American consumers are paying far less than we are, so a proactive government involved in the industry, investing co together with the industry but never nationalizing it now talk about honest public debate one of those areas where the Tories have not been honest is immigration now that he has been campaigning on this issue since 2004 he has become the almost synonymous politician with that particular issue and it's the issue that really helped him come to power in 2014 that helped deliver the brexit vote in 2016 and obviously after 2016 voters felt they had been heard in a way that they felt leaving the union european we can finally take back control of our borders the tories felt safe in 2019 with the borrowers in this absolutely the tories today they argue that brexit was about control and not numbers what do you say you know this is Your classic public school type, you know, Mr.
H? Another kind of argument, but I don't know, immigration, right? I now come to council properties in the midlands and north or anywhere in the country. come to the country talk to the people whose children cannot go to the local primary school because it is full because we have an explosion of births like we have never seen in this country in our history and a large number of them are being born to foreign born mothers doesn't make them all bad i'm talking i'm talking about numbers here talk to anyone you can't get a doctor's appointment talk to anyone you can't drive on a freeway the population has increased by 8 million since 2002 and 84 of that is directly due to the immigration labor that started it the tories have continued it and the reason they started voting for ukip in large numbers the reason it started the whole rebellion but led to brexit a huge tory majority as the people enou gh and what happened in 2019 now we see last year 1.1 million visas were granted legal visas we are witnesses i get emails every day from people that they just say my neighborhood is now unrecognizable and you know when you live on a street where people speak the same language have similar cultural interests similar shared histories of course there will be some bad apples but there is a degree of self-regulation that continues as the community itself has an identity i don't believe in this crap there is no such thing as thatcher society was completely wrong or misquoted that it really exists when you replace a street like that with a street where no one knows the names of their neighbours, they have never been spoken to where many on that street they don't know they have shared histories they don't have shared cultures they don't have shared interests socially sporty wise whatever where many on that street don't even speak the same language whose kids don't play together r on the street or after school then you have a community that cares less about others and more about itself and is more prepared I plow to turn a blind eye to the trash, the foul language, the graffiti, the crime, whatever it is, and I know I'll be damned for it.
Saying this, but I'm going to say it, you break our communities, you break the civilized order that we've been used to, you have a recipe for anarchy, a recipe for an unhappy society and when you have immigration legally and illegally at the levels that it has, there is no perspective there is no hope that community cohesion from integration really continues and since 2019 we have seen the legal numbers just skyrocket i mean forget about your kids buying a house that is never going to happen all this aspirations are never going to happen and health-wise, but if you can't afford private insurance, you're in big trouble, big trouble. we have ever been due to the ck of dental services that have been carried out during the pandemic and from just a small example but for tens of thousands of people you know this is very very real and then we witnessed the humiliation of what is happening on the english channel and the displacement of those people in hotels all over the country, i went to sunderland, people were furious about what was happening and now, in the last few weeks, the final humiliation. gangs, how many more moped muggings, how many more stabbings, how many more levels of gun crime do you need to understand that the Tories have completely failed Britain to say any of what you just said is extremely difficult and I think, In a way, courageous because the immigration debate has been one that has been toxic toxic for the last 20 years.
He's been on the receiving end of it. He's personally experienced what I feel like talking about this topic to be vilified for. being vilified and for a long time it seemed that immigration was not talked about after Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech. gave a similar speech in Walsall a few weeks ago, a few weeks earlier, it hadn't been noticed that he was trying too hard and in fact made the subject difficult to talk about for years and years and today I feel perhaps that feeling of not being able to Talk of immigration has crept back in recent years since the Brexit vote, as the issue was supposedly cancelled.
That was if immigration was done now again. You can't really talk about it. Do you agree with that? I'm sorry, no, no. it's back it's back the public wasn't talking about it because they thought it had been dealt with you're absolutely right you said a few minutes ago now it's back now it's front and center it's particularly the red wall the second most important problem behind of o Obviously, the cost of living crisis alone this problem will cost them the next election. I want to talk about the political implications of immigration. an insurgency, you referred to this in your recent telegraph, I did, yes, I mean, it's quite funny, really, I mean, for all the vilification I received, actually, almost single-handedly, I killed the British national party and his rise in a sort of six seven eight nine in the bnp were underway in many many northern cities winning council seats whatever even getting two MPs elected under PRfor the european parliament i saw nick griffin because i said bmp but i looked down at the pmp voters and he said look if you're looking into bmp because you're not happy but you don't want to vote for an openly racist party come and vote for me , that was my proposal, that was my appeal and you know what worked. it worked i got two thirds of the bnp voters to vote ukip the third we absolutely believed what they believed in and you know we can condemn that but that's the world we live in we stick with them but that was the end and there is a political vacuum that has opened up again in british politics on the on to the right and i suspect someone will fill it ugly and this is the extraordinary thing the insurgency the ukip insurgency was based on patriotism it was based on national democracy it was based in the national interest in border controls and the right levels of immigration within our communities and our society all happened in relatively benign economic circumstances, yes we had the great financial crisis of 2008, but it didn't really affect people.
The government simply increased the debt. He built the banks and they all carried on. Almost no one lost their job. inflation didn't shake it interest rates did you know and all that stuff and having such a fundamental constitutional change in times of economic peace was a pretty remarkable thing and now we're going into recession who knows maybe depression isn't completely impossible let's see if if the d word happens we will see very radical and possibly violent political change within europe and the uk now i don't think any outside party in the uk can win power against the system is rigged any new people coming in can't raising money without donors being big donors subject to inheritance tax there is a crooked postal voting system so a political insurgency may not win many seats in parliament but it will once again fundamentally reshape conservatism, we've done a few interviews now, nigel, over the years, and i must say i don't think i've ever seen him so angry at the pair Conservative party betra yal nothing in life bothers you, whether it be on a personal level, on a political level, on a national level than betrayal and, you know, in 2019, earlier that year, I managed to get the Brexit party registered as a party politician just in case. it was my ukip insurance policy he had left with tommy robinson and neil hamilton and god knows uncle tom cobley and god knows who and when it became clear that march 29th was not going to be the day we were leaving the european union i began to think You know, get ready, get ready, I launched it in six weeks and it took off like a rocket in six weeks in the European elections, five and a quarter million votes, the biggest party in Europe and how ironic that Mrs May resigned before the results.
Bush, he was very proud that the press said that the ruthless boris johnson got rid of him. No, he didn't. He voted for a third time. the electoral focus ed i remember talking to chris hope here on one of the podca choppers podcasts and i had a great election in that election i go through crap country the deal calls boris a liar say vote for the brexit party knowing that in this election it's been different before 15 it was different 15 i heard workers voted much more with uk but knowing in this election it would hurt the conservative vote and we would at least get a way to brexit or risk the libre democrats winning out of the east of Walton to the silly isles you know a lot of seats in parliament maybe a second referendum so after a bit of backstage bargaining that took place between me and number 10 via intermediaries, I decided to basically launch Mattel and say, I'm not going to criticize this. i try more i will say it could be better but it is the best we have so i feel to some degree i helped boris johnson become prime minister i helped him get the majority he got so i did. by a level of trust i don't mean complete and utter trust, but a level of trust and that on all levels i feel let down by this government i think the country has been let down i think brexit has been let down now i can see the establishment queuing up to blame every woe of our nation on brexit and i worry that they will do everything they can to undo the legacy i fought for over a quarter of a century, do you know why i'm angry?
So what are you going to do about it? okay i can do what i'm doing through the media working with you guys on the telegraph doing what i do at gb news to feed the 3.3 million people i have on social media. I joined getter this week, which might be a first. way to maybe not being shadow blocked all the time by twitter um you know i will do my best to sway the arguments i will do my best to get ahead of the arguments i will do my best to educate to inform so that people push to your members of parliament whether they are labor or tory ative and i still do all those things um i will continue to do them with the same level of passion and energy i always have your next question of course i'm not that stupid and the next question is : You know? im getting back into politics i mean you know i did for a long time if there was a level playing field then i probably would but there isn't it just isn't um i mean number one my name is nigel

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i'm never ever gonna get a break from the press, but that he can live with the funding rules is just ridiculous. i mean talk about the platform system first beyond the postal system completely corrupt postal voting list um you know 2014 uk won a national election the european elections the first victory since 1986 by a non-labor party or conservative 2019 we crushed them into oblivion with the brexit party but 2050 4 million vote is in a seat and you're asking me to make that all hard again just very briefly to end the interview i want to talk about an alternative scenario if liz trusts that she wins the conservative leadership election she changes things the economy the international economy huh improves huh going to 2024 against kia stutter a weak snp dependent labor politician who will probably have to rely on the snp to form any sort of government and wins the 2024 elections now again, this is a bit of a hypothetical. you are a fancier in the united states we have a certain donald trump we just ran again for the election campaign in 2024 he won ok so we have president trump we have prime minister confidence what trump would think of confidence well if she would stick to the lines The bold words she's given us on stage in the last few weeks he would think so she's a spirited girl or New York words to that effect but I suspect she'll cave in and I suspect she won't measure up and what do you think at the in that regard i really want to say she has been a cabinet minister for eight years and in terms of cricketing with the public she has not bothered the scorer who even knew who she was three months ago but she had not been in the cabinet for eight years and she can talk about trade deals and , however, he had not registered with the public during that time and that, look, I repeat the end of this interview, I hope I'm completely wrong, I hope it's u One in 10 million is a person with an incredible spirit who has genuinely been through this Damascene conversion and has the guts, courage and conviction to really stand up to the established civil service and do great things, but the lesson of a longer life that yours is to never trust the Tories too much, they always let you down and I suspect they are headed for a big disaster in the next election, which will then be an opportunity for a complete rethink and you know what stutters, it's not Corbin, it's not scary. me and very, very briefly, I'm sorry, but with Trump, have you talked to Trump about trust?
Has he asked for your political advice? No, no, he waits until things happen. I know hey he couldn't believe how liberal boris had been he couldn't believe the wind farm he couldn't believe he was very very disappointed at the moment when Trump is very very GOP focused the midterms maybe they trust a lot. soon thank you very much nigel for joining us

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