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NEW EVIDENCE In Mike Postle Investigation

Feb 27, 2020
again smile smile when the camera comes on ok you're ready i'm ready let's do it what's up guys doug polk here and welcome back to the channel today we're doing something very special now if you've been following anything in poker for the last 72 hours have you? why do i hear me stop you ok we started off good here we go anyway if you've been following poker for the last 72 hours you'll know. the talk of the town right now is of course poker stars being bought by betfair no it's the microphone the potential cheating accusations joey that's what people are here for that's what they want I supposedly said accusations but anyway before I get into that I want to bring everyone up to speed a bit so essentially what happened just a brief overview the situation is there is a player at Stone's Casino who has an absolutely phenomenal record of winning in virtually every session he plays by throwing a wide variety. of unorthodox plays that turn out to be very, very strong against the hands your opponents have. reads like folding kings in one spot correctly, but also getting all-in correctly with 5'4 unsuited.
new evidence in mike postle investigation
I mean we have a huge variety of hands to choose from and speak to, and there's a lot of supplementary information as well. like for example, um, you know he has some connections to the Stones people, in particular one guy, uh, whenever he's there, he seems to be playing the street more often and there's a bunch of other surrounding information as well as some updates today uh like uh hat stuffing which is downright weird joey who supposedly has a lot of stuff to talk about here a lot of the breakdown but i just wanted to bring everyone up to speed wit h all of that so what are we going to do today?
new evidence in mike postle investigation

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We're going to do a long form video where we're going to talk about all of these story updates. We're going to dig a little deeper into some of the things that we've talked about before can be seen in some hands and of course we're going to get the information from another expert researcher actually sherlock poppy is joining us here today listen , uh, I've only streamed, I've only Streamed for 16 hours the last three days, everything going through the mic, possible sessions, the god of poker, hands down one of the best players I've ever seen in the whole world, but Doug I don't know if you know, but we did it last night. another live stream and we found out we found a session where the god was not in full god mode it was very rare to see the guy he actually lost some all-ins the first session i saw him lose all ins he made very weak plays, true colors came out to the gods so now we have some discrepancies in our research so now i have personally watched 40+ hours every hand this guy has played 40 hours locked up expanded on bet sizes frequency range constructions what are they doing these guys i'm i'm becoming one with this guy doug i feel like i'm the guy in a way i just like it our minds have merged and i know what he's going to do i can see him and i have a good idea what he's going to do next situations this locked i'm now with the gods style of play so we saw it yesterday a session no i don't have it doug you know i felt bad because and i have to apologize cont I go actually because on night two I made a statement after seeing the god absolutely dominate to the tune of over twenty thousand dollars making the right call on every street.
new evidence in mike postle investigation
I said something doug and I regret it after watching session three the first time because I said doug and mentioned your name I said I think you and your main were heads up nolan holden when you were arguably the number in the player in the whole world who exists in texas hold'em i said you and your main verse a

postle

and your main wouldn't be able to take him down and now i have to retract and i have to re-execute that statement. because i watched him yesterday and we saw a god become a mortal man and he played like the kind of player you would expect him to play so now we have some discrepancies why was that session any different?
new evidence in mike postle investigation
What happened? Was there an

investigation

at the casino? Was there anyone else there? Someone who wasn't there, I don't know, but this is where the soldiers on the ground need to dig into this and figure out what's going on here because we can only do so much by ourselves, Doug, we're here in our studios where we like to shoot stuff. trying to figure out what's going on, we can't do it all, Doug, so the soldiers on the ground are out there right now, they're chasing us and, uh, listen, but like I've said many times, nothing's been proven. however doug ok these are all allegations nothing has been proven it's just the guys 162 out of 69 sessions up to 250 a few thousand dollars supposedly according to our best research and uh it seems a little weird that's all , we're just okay the questions seem like too much to unpack there um but for starters you know I think when we talk about this big picture let's get into some of the updates that you're talking about because I think that would be the most logical progression here like so that after seeing some of these hands joey and having seen that you know his ability to play so perfectly on the river um what you know as a professional player obviously you've played poker for a long time maybe there's no limit to keep them but you know potlum and omaha and a little bit of nolan home from time to time what strikes you about these hands maybe for someone who is a little newer to poker who doesn't understand exactly what I get why this looks so bad what kind of jumps out at you like some red flags that you know this isn't legit I think any time you see a player that seems to make the right play depending on what his opponent has, so this guy is an absolute god in whatever variation of a pot he may be. it could be a single four way, three way, five way, all different multi way pot race and we're going to play a hand from last night's stream and I think maybe we should go into that session and show you exactly what God is about he's capable yeah so this guy in these single raise multi way pots three bet pots three bet pots three bed heads up pots he just has an amazing success rate to stab with very little or no equity type of bluffs and the times you seem to do this, your opponents have absolutely nothing.
The times he loses big pots on the river and gets called. His opponent has third pair or four pair or worse, so they make some very terrible calls. These are the only times we see. this guy loses these big hands so these things are right here skip how a man makes a successful decision all the time on the river how can this be how can a man cold call three bets four bets with eight five and nine five and this guy being the world's top betting winner That's right, these things are a bit peculiar. I think about something that happened to me, um, it must be like eight years ago, when I was playing an online session and, um, I was playing against a player and they always seemed to know exactly. the correct play and one of the one of the telltale signs that you are being cheated in poker is what they do on the river because on the river there are no more cards that are going to come out whoever wins wins, so that's why, if you are cheating you know there is not much point in calling, or you will fold a raise and the reason is that you are beaten and don't want any money or you are ahead and if you are ahead why call?
Just put more money in right hand you can make more money if you put in more money so one of the surest signs of who is cheating in poker is on the river they don't call, raise or fold because they know where they are now, maybe from time to time. you know if they are good at cheating or quite often if they are good at cheating they will call so it doesn't look suspicious right? They will lose one on purpose, but the bottom line is that the call rate from players drops dramatically. they just get into these weird raise wars, which is exactly what we saw in a lot of these possible hands on the river.
You ask me the probability, I'd say it's probably like a thousand to one that he did and he didn't so we can't say 100 for sure he didn't cheat but the point is these weird parenting wars break out when you meet. You are ahead because why call well or you know your opponent is lying? Why call? You can get them out of the pop um, so that's one of the biggest cues to doing science for me, uh, and I think you also know what's interesting and something dynamic that people don't think about. is that if you're cheating, you don't have to play preflop like um, you don't have to just play the best hand, you can play worse hands because the idea is that you know what cards do or don't hit your opponent you're going to get the best bluff points , you'll know exactly where they are and you'll be able to put them to the test and if we look at all the big boats that possibly got lost on this stream, you'll know that it's pretty much everyone that put someone in an incredibly difficult spot on the river that really should have to fold and they just dig deep and find a call and those are actually some of my favorite hands I've ever seen of all when somebody puts their feet up like they're in a terrible situation they have balls high they have third pair there what? ever and

mike

just went all in over the top right and they're like they know what it is and they just call him and he's lyin' good and like you know people say oh he loses a few hands in the river yeah the ones where he's running incredibly accurate and good bluffs against weak hands where he's looking up so I think that's what at least strikes me as the most likely

evidence

that something is right you know what strikes me attention doug and uh there are some people who say just turn the mic up a bit so maybe you could turn it up a bit yeah my mic or your mind your mic yeah ok yeah there we go we're good , I guess what catches my eye, doug. is that I can watch a man play through a six hour stream and not watch the man make any losing decision and win every hand and win twenty thousand dollars on one stream playing in a way that you would think was impossible that this guy should win twenty thousand dollars in a session in a game five five ten or a game five five or whatever they think is in the straddle that session doug means you have to watch this session together on saturday me and you have to sit down and we have to go over these hands for the people you have to watch i'm doug this is the best poker you'll ever see i am and i know you're not watching a lot of poker but i promise if you watch this session with me i might.
Don't believe what I was seeing. I have never seen a larger display of athletic performance. You have Michael Jordan winning six championships. You have Tiger Woods winning countless things. You've got Bill Russell taking down those ten rings. you had so many of these great athletic displays in our lifetime and i guarantee if you watch this stream i watched on night two the first part you will believe in a power greater than god because there has never been dominance shown in a poker stream quite like this guy he did not make a wrong decision all the time and he absolutely dominated let's get back to michael jordan in a bit here i want to mention a hand you linked to me um doug listen i need you can help me here can i help you how i don't have to explain this hand is fine so let me just leave i haven't actually seen this hand i haven't actually seen this hand you're on a present you're on i'm fine i'm sorry doug didn't see your hand i sent it ok so Let's start with this pre-flop, I think that's it and we're looking at the footage of you talking about it. man i'm serious y'all are home right now i'm not this is an exaggeration ok this is not click bait this is ok so we have we have to let me walk us through hand in hand so we have under the gun plus one raising the 75 and then you see people too yeah it's on it's on it's on YouTube everyone can see they can also I see the hand um so it looks like we have a three-way pot here where it opens up and we have, I think, five people calling, I think maybe there's a three bet, there's no three, but it's a race, right? okay that makes sense so we have a five way flop uh we have some hands that certainly should have a treble bet but here we are so we have four two eight four ten five queen jet ace queen ace king so that we have we have a lot of weak hands that we have we have a jackass jay in the lead with poc with a pair of fives oh sorry uh a

postle

s with top pair of course ok so six way 450 in the pot six for four already in the pot come on look where we are yeah this is a bit of a risky situation you certainly can be behind a lot of hands like your opponent might have better eights they might have top pair obviously there is always some chance of a set in reality will not be. too many two pair on this board though,and the action goes to the ace, the king tries to take a stab, we get a call from the open end and now the apostle is thinking about it and decides to call, ok that's a very reasonable call, I think that's what most of the people would do here. maybe all players on a six way flop i don't think there's too much of a case to raise so i like your decision here what are we going to get next? -way turn poker live is certainly happening here turn nine ok so why would the temperature drop? fucking flush draw jackass j has a medium flush draw yeah if you apostle you're fried now you're done with this hand you're done or done with this I mean it's a five way turn people can just have flush um you have no equity or no redraw against none done flash and you don't have redraw against um a straight two pair higher something like that so you're done here this is obviously just a check and a fold I don't think there are any no I think there is no top poker best player in the world though any is always a strong word to use I would advocate anything other than a check fold here it's not even a good bluffing hand because you don't have any kind of elimination against flushes you don't have any equity uh you know maybe if you had a hand like you have you're really taking it seriously i like this too canned sticks yeah we're doing deep we're h doing an in-depth review here, right?
I like it okay, so we have a 750 bet here from the player with ace and queen. I actually like this player's bluff, by the way, it makes a lot of sense. a lot of hands just fold and you'll get, i mean probably all these hands fold, i think ok in theory or are you ok? Now, the apostle has, he has, they're playing three thousand strong, that is, there's just no way you can continue here. no, you've pointed out to the audience that he's a self-proclaimed psychological master and live reading expert who's been playing 16 years okay, okay, so call the turn and I guess if you're going to call the turn, you get a brick. river is pretty i'm on the edge of my seat joey so the guy the guy pushes quick for 2k cash here oh yeah oh he goes to aaron rodgers putting his hands on his head like he's waiting for

mike

mccarthy's cue oh my god now We go to the Hollywood act with our hands over our faces.
He loves the truth. He loves to laugh at you right before he is about to go with you and take some money from you. This guy loves to laugh at you. he can call here there's just no way he can call here t there's no way you can call in here yeah quick laugh boy is he so sick to me he does. you kinda like it too i mean i'm eight four you know i got here five ways i gotta yeah we have to call the river let's find out what it's saying here everyone knows this tab is muted ok i guess so whatever it sounds like it's not going to work well so ultimately he makes the call here I mean he does make the call yeah okay so I would say as a player who has played professionally for many years let's say one decade at the highest stakes, I would say this is nothing.
I would say if I saw this isolated hand where the production reproduces the memes, then they have one where he's dressed as Jesus Christ and then they have a book that they did on him. The power of thought possible. I have shown that they are crushing. souls and running pure yeah that's also a kind of disgusting that they're in on the joke right after the production drop let's pause before they have him dressed as Jesus Christ yeah that's right it's just that it's so amazing that they're not just cheating. people are getting fooled and then they post memes about how great apostle is right it's like disgusting yeah it's like they're like um they're like stealing in broad daylight that's basically what they're doing here they're like yeah we're gonna let's know we're gonna make mike play absolutely perfect and then post memes about how well he runs trim how perfect he is and then never question exactly what's going on just say it's like he just does it he just thinks different from us how we like we think gto he thinks that pto possible optimal theory is just on a different level than everyone else ok by the way its just another display of hot guys if you're interested in some reviews of hands in fact , I have some possible poker hands coming up on the channel in the near future so definitely keep an eye on those if you're interested in that and also if you want a really in depth review that Joey has done.
I think it's 73 hours of footage at this point joey yeah I got five hours the first night six hours the last night six hours the night before so yeah I've gone through and this is a hand it's like 30+ hands like this one and then 50 to 100 other places where things get a little weird, do you think this is uncommon? this by the way don't tell me what this is what this is I'm excited okay I want to show the audience how serious so for those who don't know Stones Live Poker announced that they are actually going to relaunch their extensive

investigation

they said they did one before there was no cheat uh a and now they have said they will re-release it and i want to let everyone know stones is taking this very seriously you might be wondering how seriously let me show you head there if you head to their twitter you can see they have a very serious business background banner now they're live stones with bars in jail a youtube play button and a police hat here uh you know i definitely won't take like the one on these accusations they're serious here and so they updated this accordingly to show their seriousness about what's going on with the show um so you know I for one see this trolling as just another meme they're making memes essentially i feel so much better about the direction this this case is heading when i see this it really tells me they're going to do the right thing here joey i gotta i just gotta ask you man is this the real life like this is all real life because it's starting to get to a point where I don't even know I just don't even know anymore you know it's just too much it's just too much it's just everything is a little too much I mean listen I don't know what's going on man yo they tell us out there so if there's something going on here people say you have to investigate, investigate everyone involved, the people in production, the people behind the scenes, anyone who works there, like that I don't know what's going to happen. right now but as we said they did the latest research themselves they fit in they found no

evidence

it was completely made up and obviously that's not true i did 20 minutes of a live stream i found a bunch of evidence that needed to be investigated or we could have made a good case to be investigated and then the pope community saw that content made a video about it and they all decided yes there is probably something going on here so I don't know who the first ones investigate. it's that either they're involved or they're the worst investigators ever and there's only two ways to do it: the worst investigators or they're involved in whatever's going on, so the guy is just the better player. in the world and they couldn't find anything because he's the best player in the world, he never makes the wrong decision, you know what I would love, I would love to have you as the lead investigator, face the stones, get the footage right. some eyewitness accounts get some people to go in there and make the documentary we all need to shed some light on the issue one now they say you're louder than me and two you give me 10 hours on camera there i'll break this case 10 hours with the butt.
I mean, obviously, that kind of thing can't happen, but yeah, man, I don't know, I really don't know what's going to happen here, man, I guess we're still early, right? Just this stuff came out a couple of days ago this is like what makes three days four days old or something so these things take time too let's talk a little bit about the number of winning sessions in a row I think that's an interesting point and eventually we'll get to the updates, I know. i know the internet sleeps has a lot of updates that we can check out as well but i think it's something that a lot of people if you're new to poker or not familiar with how poker works they might think it's ok so the guy won a lot like which it's the big problem the big problem is that when you play poker your advantages are small and it's not like many others like you know sports or a game like chess where there are no variants uh their edges are very small so if i played against him most casual viewer today and his strategy was to go all-in every hand, I can only beat you like 60 or 65 times, it depends how deep we are. so the point is you know you just don't go to races like this you know he could have a five session winning streak and then a few times in his life he could get a 10. but it compounds like let's say he's a 55 favorite to win to win 10 or 0. it's 55 times 55 and then when you look at his record over the last year or so, I look, I think you looked at the numbers and posted some stuff and then you realize and start thinking in the fact that guys won like you know 35 of their last 37 sessions or something that's a really remarkable streak even without any other evidence that's almost damning enough because the chance of that happening legitimately is very low .
Results this year, there are a couple of losing sessions, two or three of them, they may have miscounted the stacks as well, so we don't know for sure if those were true losing sessions. But like I said, there's an atypical session. I've seen from what I went through last night where it wasn't going in your favor, right? The hat was backwards. The behavior at the table was different. I wasn't staring at the dick every time I had a decision in the middle of a boat like you know there wasn't any there was none of the dick look there was very quick action there wasn't that much tanking there wasn't that much of a lively demeanor this lively behavior during these hands that was shown as you could go it's day and night you go from this one to the others it's day and night and coincidentally we see the guy go in multiple times and lose which he doesn't we've seen it done in these other places. this happens more than he cuts once and then loses another three pots and all his very weird stabs stabs in the weird places don't work in some places the places where he was stabbing that worked successfully he wasn't taking those pots in this one too all his tendencies they were different it was just it was it was like watching a completely different player play i'm flabbergasted this is what you're telling me this is the same guy who had 62 of 69 winning sessions and has raised 253k in these games it's hard to believe and it's very suspicious very suspicious yeah sure and i think there were a few people who mentioned that over time now there are less substantiated rumors going around but you also know with some evidence that there is a player named justin uh cara whats his name?
They call it jfk I think. his poker name is uh i'm going to go ahead and put him here on this screen i think this guy is kind of alright he's certainly related to stones he's the chair director in the stone game um and he's also been potentially uh involved with uh mike got in at least somehow you know we know mike was starting his own show no no no no no i no he hasn't but he's been involved so there's a tweet from mike that i found where So Mike started this s something called dream poker it's like the dream poker tour dream poker show what the dream poker show was once and it was like a variation on a game of cash and a tournament that they ran this time on stones there is information on the Internet from Mike himself that they tested him and Justin were the people in charge of this test, they conducted the test in private, although we do not know where it was, but were the scores out of there?
Where was? We do not know. i know exactly where this private test was done this was back in 2017. i have that screenshot of this tweet and confirmation from mike is possible on his twitter page so now we have that direct connection right there and of course like says justin, they are friends for a long time that there is a lot of information about those two dating. It seems that Justin is one of Mike's biggest fans and now this is just speculation, this is what a lot of people are going to do if he says always work on someone , but there is absolutely no proof that anything is happening once again. it's the possibility that this guy just didn't know it, he's the worst investigator ever and he has absolutely no ability to really look at the clues so it's still early days right we don't know but there's that. direct connection to the back-end of working with productionworking with the broadcast side of things from mike's right hand side and we can see here going through some of his tweets um it's unfortunate that these allegations were made public with absolutely no unreal evidence huh whats whats whats just good old fashioned comedy here uh i really dont like how you can see what happened and your conclusion is absolutely none my team reputation and a fun exciting player well this sentence for those of you who are new to poker is what they call losing players. session, so he's an exciting and fun player who shouldn't say he still draws, but wins money from him.
Every session is now being publicly harassed. We've taken every measure to ensure the integrity of the game, including consulting with regards to streamers and businesses, so you definitely know that. some strong shots here and i think the only shoot you have that you're talking about uh joey looking like a mere mortal was the one where uh justin may or may not have been out of town i think some accounts have justin being out of town city ​​over the course of those dates so there's speculation that these two might be in this together which certainly could be the case I mean look here's the thing so you know for hello To be able to do this , there's a simple answer and the simple answer is when you create a poker show you record it live that's fine and when it's live the people in the back have access to the cards they make that's the way you have for you to put your cards in, they get scanned, the signal goes to the back so it can be recorded and so those people in the back have access to that live information, then it goes off with a delay so if a player he had his phone and looking at the stream they would see it later so there is no chance a player at the table could somehow see the cards for mike to do this it seems almost mandatory that someone in the back would be in collusion with him almost Mandatory I mean maybe there's a way I figured out how to read the rfid on the table correctly but I want you to know that I don't think it's possible I don't want to say something is impossible because I'm not.
It's what I've done, I've done the research, I've investigated the various differences in different ways that these things can happen. There are scenarios where this could be. This could be a rogue one-man operation. There are also scenarios. He could be the god. might get a little confused for those of you unfamiliar joey is making fun of how good the guy's decisions are by calling him god the guy plays like a god i'm going to watch him play you guys can see the people 152 grand in game one, three, and five, doug, you're telling me that's not a god, no, no, no, that's what the guy is doing, man, that's amazing without everyone. like they just bought oh my gosh apostle doug would retire but apostle knows what to do he knows what blows up blows up he got libraries psychology they like to bow down to him they justify all of his plays. heard and does s It's true if a guy wins every time you probably think this guy is doing something which is just I mean they make jokes he can see the cards make jokes he just knows what to do knows what's coming he does jokes making jokes on stream this guy just knows something no one else knows while playing what do you think you know when i when i was ok my hunch if i said if you said doug break down what exactly happened ok this is my hunch my hunch is that he was cheating and someone in the back was passing the cards somehow to his phone or some device or something that would let him know what people had or if it was good or whatever it is and maybe whether or not there were one or two other people who were involved in the operation.
Personally, I find the reaction of some of the commenters to the things that are happening a bit worrying. it's like the gu and that i posted or tweeted uh let me get this out as well because i think this this guy his reaction to what happened in a situation that i felt was a little weird um but basically he was going through what he was going through some of the weird hands are correct and it gets to a point where an apostle is going to call his chips preflop with 5'4 suited correctly which I've never seen in my entire poker career, never seen that happen even though i don't want nobody but the rings and he has a good time but yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway i've never seen that once in my whole life but he did it right he didn't just do it , he did it correctly and when the commenters start to realize he's about to do this this guy all of a sudden has to scratch his eyeballs and this guy peeks to the side while trying to cover his face like me , you know, and this is certainly not enough. to substantiate any degree of culpability certainly isn't enough, but th That's the way these guys responded to this, you know, like I've seen a lot of poker if I somehow saw someone doing this it would be like what's going on, what is mike thinking of doing as you expect why is it still in hand what is going on and then when he calls he would say what is this he is just spending money they not only didn't seem surprised they looked very sketchy while it was happening and then when he puts up the money they almost try. to justify it in a way like this is the look this guy gives to the side it's almost like oh we're going to have to do this and then he's like yeah you know they can have an ace and they both could have an ace and like yeah i was just fighting for what could be what could be right huh but not in a bad way well justified we've seen the commenters come out we've seen veronica and we've also seen casey mills they both came out and said they suspected something so i I imagine that may either be they suspected something but didn't know what to say or didn't want to get fired like we don't know what life situation these people are in, maybe they're making a lot of money off the rocks and they don't.
I don't want to bite the hand that feeds them, maybe they voice their concerns like Veronica did, who was the whistleblower in this situation, and then management says to her, like Justin, what are you thinking? No, you're an idiot, you don't know it. what you're talking about you never know about poker is completely made up there's no evidence here so maybe there were concerns expressed but we don't know much about those concerns and at some point you think there's no other way to explain this like you're just as baffled as everyone the others i feel so completely true this is where oh this is where i'm at joey um i think i was cheating ok i think someone in the back was relaying the cards i think it was most likely justin but we don't know I know the timelines add up to when Justin was out of town doing stuff, he would play the stream a lot less and one of those sessions was the one where he looked like a mere mortal.
I think potentially a small number of analyst commentators were involved. but the thing is I think it has to be a very small number of those kind of people because for this to work there can't be any leaks and if you have just one leak the whole sink is sent out so you know maybe there was maybe not there were other people I think it's an interesting angle that hasn't been discussed at all yet which is a bit surprising considering how much discussion there has been was he the only person because if a guy is cheating what's the possibility that they do? that with someone else you're right and for me the answer is pretty high i think i really think what the stones are meant to do is get an exact record of everyone's win and loss in the program over the last i don't know how long the stones have been going let's just call it a couple of years and then see who the other big winners were, how they played and then we need to see the pictures of all those people.
I think it's safe to assume that people who lose money didn't cheat on you. I never know for sure, but if you know the letters, I think that's just a little, I just want to say that I've given a lot of information and I've gotten information about other people involved in the production. that may have been out of town in this same time frame as well not just justin i also got some information from other potential players who are also involved in the game to maybe take a look at them so yeah i think that's very, very real. right possibility and you have to assume all you have to assume that if that has happened, then why wouldn't something else be happening too?
It seems logical that if something is going on, there's probably more, right, yeah, until it's in as little as possible me. I mean it should be part of the investigation here as well, right, uh, yeah, yeah, some people brought up the line of Justin's time, he was in Vegas over the summer and when I was reviewing and looking at the apostles results and putting together my video, uh, I realized that. He hasn't played much since July, June and July, yeah, so basically very little. I broke the game patterns last night, so he has dates for all these questions. there is the sheet of all the dates that the apostles played this year, all those big gaps in the biggest gap happen during this period of time and there are many other big gaps that are uncommon for the rest of the year that happen during this period, so if you just look at that stuff now it just brings another piece to the puzzle and you say ok well now we've got these gaps what happened to the gaps and stuff like that too love this by the way vpip win rate um for th Those of you who aren't familiar with this, basically this shows, from the last few days of betting, all players by vpip on the y axis, so this is the number of hands they choose to play and the bottom it is the amount of money they essentially earn. and what you can see is that as players start to play too loose, they start to lose more money, it shifts towards the pot side ripper.
I was the super user in ultimate back then and played almost every hand and won at an ungodly rate. people saw this and said this this picture alone was proof enough to say this guy is a cheater this is possible he plays a little tighter but wins a lot more so you know go ahead and take out the conclusions you can draw. that joey you tweet too much where oh is this i tweet too much is that one of the biggest stories in poker i'm tweeting too much i'm just tweeting enough this is literally one of the biggest stories i've ever had i've never seen in the world so this sprea dsheet you tweeted is the date uh and the win entries correct yeah roughly roughly the researchers went through this and these are the numbers they found with the notes also roughly two of our best guesses on the current moment in time um um so in the um interest of accurate journalism were you able to find buybacks because when i went through this i i i scanned ok this is other people that have been doing this there have been various people that have been accumulating this data on this time as well to see that they've been tracking the buybacks of course these might not be 100% accurate in terms of knowing when or the repurchases were made but this is the best they can guess because right now this seems to be approximate and sometimes they estimate it down as well sometimes they estimate it up so we're looking at this is just 2019 just 2019 2018 results are on the bottom of a whole number oh I see, okay, I've got everything set So, we're looking at a quarter million dollar one in the show with an average big blind up. fifteen dollars, probably ten, maybe ten dollars, but yeah, but there are a lot of these hands with straddles like that, I mean not a lot, most of the hands are with a 10 straddle, some with five, some with three , but it looks like there's a bunch of ten too, okay, so we're looking at uh, 277 hours of play, six, okay, he won 62 of 69 sessions, but he didn't lose twice in June, which is definitely interesting, but he won 62 out of 69 sessions huh and i made 250k in 277 hours i want to pull out a calculator real quick so we can quickly figure out what that looks like so uh joey i'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and throw in something else to straddle i think what would you say the big average bli and here it was Sure enough, 14 is fine um because I really like to go I like to give them a little bit of the benefit of the doubt in any kind of situation so we're looking at 253,000 divided by 14.
So who won 18.1,000 big blinds. over 277 hours, so if we divide this by 220, sorry, 277, so he won 65 big blinds per hour. Now what a good win rate that is for those of you who are new to poker or live poker, perhaps many of you probably know this well. uh, the goal to strive for when playingplus two they've been doing a good job to be honest it's so many posts it's actually kind of hard oh yeah it's really hard to do oh these guys just cry it's a fabrication they completely made it up bro yeah completely made up i recorded a short clip of justin justin k after the apostle walks away with a 10k jackpot hear his laugh from an onlooker commenting he's like a lamb to the slaughter and then he kind of says yeah but that stuff they're just not enough really ok so let's see what mike possible has to say about this obviously he's getting a lot of pressure he's been deleting tweets you can hear him in the background wow that's crazy i mean you need make a joke.
To say that he definitely tweeted a lot of things. September 30th was a busy day, okay this is too much to pass up. You also saw the interview she caught up with Justin earlier this year, where she broke down a few. picked hands you've also seen doug you've seen him explain explain his thought process and insight i haven't seen that but i've heard it's not exactly what you do exactly at one point he almost says it's not like i can see the court cards and then He stops before saying of course I'm like fine could you stop?
Why would you? Why would you? mike tweets that there's so much i want to say and now so much that i'm forced to say it involves gloating oh my gosh unreal about my 16 year poker career, one that involves me being so successful everywhere i that i have played jesus, including online that i have been accused of having an unfair advantage by a handful of local people who convinced someone that it was true and finally publicly attacked me in the process with nothing more than speculation about a small fraction of hands that are questionable at best, well hands are questionable at best, I've played a unique high variance style in my entire book career and there are hundreds of players I've played with over the course of those 16 years who can verify that I have played the same style both online and live that time.
Over time, the difference between me and others is that I spend an enormous amount of time not only studying the game, but also human behavior, catching betting patterns and being blessed with very good instincts. I have had no income other than poker now i trust my family baby norwich just a guy who was blessed with the desire to be the best he could be but not forgetting where he is no he didn't delete some there is no no that's not all he talked about challenge people heads that that's definitely not all must have deleted some of them garrett hall playing garrett not he deleted some he said he yes everyone is jealous that he would play it heads up there has to be more go go there has to be more there more there's more there's more he just didn't he deleted it oh man yeah he had more where he defied people head up yeah here we go fight for my daughter and being a single dad can definitely change your wishes and your perception of life k really sucks when people mention their kids in these places man and he really deleted number six number six is ​​when he called people and said he'd play a little challenging i think it's so deleted the worst tweets i definitely agree yeah I think it's such a disgusting move when people do something wrong and then try to do it like them and try to do it like you don't know what's going on with me or especially do it like their kids that's just a very low move, You know, don't even bring the fact that you have a daughter into this, that's totally irrelevant, I don't know, that bothers me too, it's so unfair to her, I'll close with a huge thank you to those who know me and have shown me their support .
They have helped me dry some tears from the anguish of this. I have no words. Positive stress scares me, so you can imagine how I feel about the worst stress that could be. imagine I'm shy of positive attention, he says as the hero of Stream Stones Poker Joey, he just didn't want the attention, man yeah he's too good, he was trying to, he was trying to blend in by playing on the stream every week, TRUE? tweets on a screenshot here can i read it to you doug Yeah do it, he says, I just think I just want to thank those who really know me and for not being one of the handful of selfish, competition driven, jealous have haters I apologize for being better than you in poker for that local handful.
I would love to talk to you man to man to get your thoughts instead of hiding behind a screen or whispering behind my back and we can talk about it. or we can play a series of head to head matches off stream if you need to make it clear that my skills go way beyond any live stream his skills yes his skills and he's playing some of his greatest hits without cheat here by the way yes there' He has a rate, he makes you reluctant to fold with four pair and a pot of three bets or the guy goes crazy with seven news. the thing is, he's got somebody talking to him here too, oh that's actually a good point, his whole demeanor, his entire demeanor, justification, doing a wrong fold, look what's going on here, doug, he's not in the same position, goes, where are the keys, where. it's the keys where the keys aren't laying around he's got his phone on the table so this is his example of a time he folded the best hand guys what's different what's different in this exact situation he's leaning to the side will you he's talking to this guy on the rail right now exactly he doesn't know the information that's why he probably retires here of course he does a correct fold he's not blocked he doesn't have it he doesn't have it running it's funny these examples of him not c the warm up are actually almost examples of them cheating i know let's see what this is let's see let's dig in here why is it going so slow twitter is happening i guess here just uh hit a different point hit a different point and returns to it. he posts a whole sequence here oh yeah no he's at the three three something mark he says later in the comments it's a hand where he calls it three over eight six and then he ends up flipping the river when the guy gets goes with seven two, okay? whatever isn't loading so I'm not messing around this is a hand you probably led with 1010 because it might have looked suspicious if you just ended up check-check-folding the 10-10 here wait so get out. of the way nuts on the flop here is your example of his correctness not cheating correct yeah so he likes to do this where he likes to lead an edge in places where other people have the nuts that he like to lead little so they lift them up making us bend easily so we ac Usually do that on rivers too yeah you're like losing as little as you can right?
And he also likes to do this thing where you check the calls and then he penetrates you when you don't have anything. What do you think is the chance that the stones are? I'm going to delete all this footage, well it's all archived right now. I'm going back up. I'm sure someone else will post them. It was that there are three hands from yesterday from the first transmission and I approached yesterday it stacks up three times in the one that plays regularly and the one that plays in June played in June this is when people were not there that those are some that are there regularly, supposedly ok yeah so when is there any other session? stacks on top of that session.
They told me there may have been another session where he left early, but that's about it. I mean, that's all I've been told. i think someone was joking with that calvin and hobbes yeah i found out it was nothing ok ok so this is what mike possibly had to say is there anyone else? I think we should mention Veronica for a while. you know veronica got a lot of pressure when she first posted about this huh by the way this tweet this tweet is off topic but absolutely amazing um anyway i think veronica was the first person to actually file this put together a video that was like uh all this suspicious hands in a row and um I know she works in rocks until very recently I understand she hasn't worked there anymore and uh initially you know she took a lot of heat pe People didn't believe him and I think it's like anything where when you're the first person to say something that something's going on, I think people lash out at you and now you know it's getting more and more. as if she had claimed that she was right all along, right?
Uh, also hey, there's a hand from last night at my last candidate session. It is where the apostle four aces bet. it's a five of diamonds brings it back to our flush draw the guy wins possible calls the river is a diamond the guy makes a flush makes bets worth half the pot and possibly folds the aces last night this is the last one hand i passed on my stream last night oh i see ok ok yeah very very very very strange controlled it's a brilliant crease yes it's a brilliant glitch ok let's stop screen sharing for wait a minute here ok let's bring this back to other things so um the first thing i say is i'm just going to share my screen but let me read this i think we should share a little less screen we're doing a lot like this that the stones initially said i should just share my screen again it's just you can broadcast it works too dude can you listen ok there we go this works fine so i'll just show you and it's ok so the stones originally said at first tweets this year an accusation was made that a player was cheating in our game, we conducted a full investigation and found no evidence of any cheating taking place, stone life platform is still a safe streaming platform of poker, the recent accusations are clearly fabricated and then the stones tweeted yesterday or whatever. was the stone game and suspend all broadcasts of poker games, including live streaming, while we expand our multi-faceted investigation with outside experts this investigation will be thorough in detail, we will report the results when available, almost hinting that the above was not thorough so the questions that I think come up with this is first of all who is doing the research yeah because I think that's going to be really important a really important part of this I think they certainly need to have an impartial third party doing this research huh can i can i read some questions i actually posted on stones for them real quick i sure do i gave them some questions they can ask they can do some research ok and here you go doug i said please dont let this be the same team that investigated the latest allegations could be the worst investigative team in the history of l The investigations for finding no evidence I found more than zero percent possible evidence in 20 minutes with a bottle of water on my laptop I said here are some questions to ask who is who is investigating how are they doing it Are they checking the records of the old researchers Do they understand poker?
Are they reviewing the records of those involved with access? Are they checking the security cameras? the patterns linking people are checking who worked when they are checking Mike's entire pattern of behavior on every stream they are checking the phones in hindsight they conclude there is no possible way for something to happen and they make an announcement about it before to do all of this are they are reviewing all of mike's behavior in the casino they are re-checking the latest investigators they are linking casino customer employees to mike in as many ways as they can they are asking everyone involved in the operation what they saw what happened they are reviewing all the equipment involved that I think I came up with that in about five and three minutes.
I came up with those questions that maybe to take a look at those are certainly good points I mean and there's probably more now it's going to get a little weird though I think there's most likely going to be legal ramifications here and that means almost I question if the stones can really investigate this themselves, because if they found traps, aren't they responsible to some degree? You're not responsible, are you, if it's people who work for the casino or can they go after those people individually? I know you can change them along the way anyway, but that's also a big question.
Conor Hughes joins five bucks, Doug said. I called the California gambling board and they transferred me to a DOJ agent and you know what. he did Joey said this was better he said it wouldn't have been um not very uh appropriate for the timing um they said they were investigating and he told them about their transmissions so hopefully they're going to be investigating their transmissions oh my god they're going to be fair they gonna go crazy yeah and we all know poker players love itbetween people that this was happening, so that doesn't seem like that seems normal to you or that makes that It doesn't make much sense, doesn't it seem normal to me that he's finding out right now?
I mean it seems strange, I'm not Mike, I can't say when he figured it out or not, but it certainly looks suspicious, I find it. which I find hard to believe yeah I just do something else on the I mean this was I heard this is being actively talked about people bringing this up people are hinting at this so I can't imagine this is something that it would end up being a secret in some way, so Joey, what are your plans here in terms of coverage going forward? By the way, I want to keep all the good people on YouTube.
I appreciate you tuning in today. thumbs up button appreciate you stopping by where can i work that like button where can you guys think if you think it's possible he's one of the biggest earners of all time one two five five for a period of one year, squash that? I like the button right now, whatever, it's fine, so what are you doing from here? What are you doing from here? Sessions listen to the hidden possible Sessions are available and I go through every hand mike possible has played on live stones from front to back. I spend my time watching every possible handheld stream that mike has been a part of and uh, you know what man?
You can't do that by sitting on the sidelines. You have to get into the mix. You have to get in the ring. You have to box a little bit, so I know I'm going to do that. And you are going to do the session on Saturday where we see the creation. I'm scared, I guarantee that these will be the best hours you'll ever spend. I promise you Doug. I am not exaggerating. ghost during this shoot doug was lit i don't want to see the holy ghost you just have to watch it just believe me i want to disappoint you on this one i promise you have to watch this shoot you have to watch it we'll talk about it but they're going to do more streams so if you want a breakdown detailed heads up joey will continue his 79 hour session you can tune in to see all 163 mic hours which is how joey it all ends sunday um also if you want to see what joey is talking about on twitter joe ingram uh jongram one yeah uh you can follow it there tons of cool stuff you can follow the latest happenings there's going to be more twists and turns of course right here on this channel i recorded a couple episodes of poker hands but maybe you should consider calling them hands possible because it's about Mike Possible and some of the decisions that he made so if you want to see some more really amazing decision making like w Well to break it down you can des see it right there, huh, and then of course you can follow me to our doug poker. wanted to close this video on a somber but important note which is poker has a lot of people trying to take your money you have to deal with casinos increasing rake you have to deal with players trying to win you have to deal with shady games.
You have to deal with all kinds of things. You know everyone is always trying to make money. companies trying to make money off of you that you not only have to be a great player but you have to be a smart player with the situations you put yourself in and if you look at the way the numbers add up uh if there is even a one percent chance you won't make it you're cheating in a game and you're being cheated you just can't play you can't play because the edges are so small that if you're being cheated you can't take that risk when you're cheated automatically you lose and you lose a lot and the average just weighs you down so much that you just can't play those games, so my advice would be even in situations where things seem legit, always be skeptical, always be aware of who is around you and who can do it . you trust don't let people have access to your money or information that is important and be careful guys like poker is gambling there is still a wild west element to a lot of this and there will always be instances where people they're cheating even if in a one in a million chance it's possible it's innocent here well is there world tourist poker card marking right or is there online poker super use right or this thing happened to me where the guy hacked into my computer and i could see my screen or the There are so many other cases where this happened for sure and it also almost certainly happened here so the point is you have to be careful and watch your back and its better to be skeptical and protect you from something that didn't happen. it's trusting and not protecting yourself from something that happened anyway that's the last note here guys you know where to follow us joey i want to thank you for joining us today for the extensive update and research thank you sir i appreciate it have me on y'all want to see more of the hands it's on my youtube channel we go down listen one and two are wild it's crazy i lose my mind number three a different side of possible later the first session and i think i'm probably want to talk to too veronica also with the whistleblower i want to talk to her too and uh shameless plug i have john robert's video podcast they belong next thursday maybe we'll ask him about this maybe it's been maybe i've seen some modeling stuff and games and then the investigation of phil ivey in the baccarat scandal that will take place next week as well.
That's one of my best videos of all time, so I'm excited, really excited about it. What does that mean? What does that mean? What was awesome? What's that? I am making the transition. Ok great to have you guys today thanks once again leave a comment below and I'll see you soon.

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