Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Origins Podcast with Lawrence Krauss - FULL VIDEOFeb 02, 2022
You know it's not better to wait for science and you jumped up and said, but Lord sit down, it was never about science, it was always geopolitical and you talked about the moon landing as a geopolitical enterprise. so we were in a violent agreement with each other, yes I was just noticing that your comment hinted, yes, that he once did, yes, now I don't know, but the interesting question I have now is that we are a tweet in which we're almost there. The cost of that now in terms of we saw Mr. Pins talk about the United States trying to return to the Moon in five years, it seems practically unlikely to me that that could happen, but hey, there's a reason for it because we're looking at India . and China, their return to the moon has once again become a brand of national prestige and eminence and I wanted to know their reflection on the climate, so I am worried that a lot of the money will be diverted to that company that could be I spent on other aspects of space exploration that I find more fascinating and I wanted to know your opinion that it's not about prestige or eminence, you can understand, but it's never been about that, it's about power, so power is okay now, prestigious design, yes, power and without power a prestige anemone can come, yes, yang, but what drives it is power, what kind of power, military, military, military power cable or soft power, it works too in the interest of your military ambition, the mission statement, so soft power is, you come to Rome and look, they built the Colosseum mm-hmm and you say oh my God, who are these people who made this power so soft being the technology the demonstration of the demonstration of what you can do exactly that was the demonstration that way? with us, yeah, okay, it's in the subtext of what the demonstrated power is, so let's put the current, okay, let's put what's currently happening into perspective and where would you like to see it go, where do you think? will leave and yes, both, yes, so the motivation meant relationships and the motivation to do it is still India, but it is also China, yes, yes, of course, yes, mainly China, yes, I think so.
China says they're going to do something, they do it, yeah, you know. yeah, it's amazing, just do it, yeah, because they have power over industry and money, well, they have allocations, they have a dictatorship, yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's something a democracy can only do once everyone is on board. agree and if we live in a state of fundamentally disagree, I'm not sure everyone can win the PIA anyway, what do I mean? Well, democracy gets things done not when everyone agrees, but when you convince enough people that there are tipping points, yeah, where enough people agree, where they might as well be everyone in Korea, okay? all the votes go in that direction, yes, and that's it, yes, this is how we could enter World War II as thoroughly as we did, yes, this is how we can found NASA as quickly as we did on your birthday , TRUE? the day before David here a day before me, but I heard someone tell me I don't know, I didn't know, okay, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I said that right.
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NASA was founded the same week as me. Sputnik was born it was a year in a day before NASA was founded the same week, you, the same week, right, and you have been involved in NASA and on advisory panels, yes, when you celebrate it, so you have a relationship experiential with NASA like Well, NASA is also good in public and that matters here, yes, yes, NASA is not an isolated era, yes, more than any other, it is a kind of recreational game for the public, right , really plays much more efficiently with the public than with the Nacional.
Science Foundation or why people think NASA's budget is much bigger than it really is because he wanted to start a movement where all agencies were paid. What people think is that yes, yes, no, I was once the Department of Energy, I once put together a group that I was. about how we can be as effective as NASA in terms of trying to promote what we knowWe are trying to do what the sound asks for, it is done effectively, but now we are going to spend a lot of money and there are a lot of interesting projects and you know I have a great love for Michelle, for the non-humans who explore the universe.
Not only from a scientific point of view, you will actually find it more romantic. Rovers on Mars are more romantic than a human. Where is Mars personally? But why didn't they do it? If we hadn't sent people to the Moon, would I have been so enchanted by science? I was younger so what I'm saying is there was a rover on the moon at the time yeah yeah no one knew because we were sending people to the moon yeah you can say all you want about how good robots the ones are you put a person. Anywhere a robot is found, the robot has a bad liver relative to the interest and energy that would be invested in following and tracking the human beings that are the Rovers and why do you think we are human?
Well, maybe I'm a B, no, we're fine, but on this base, well, some of us, but I would also say this because humans can die when a robot when the rover dies just isn't that interesting. I know I sound very cynical about this, but I think we find astronauts exciting because they are there they face death they are brave they are there they go bravely going where no one has gone before but there is a reason why no one will No I have no argument with that, but let me improve it, okay, for whatever genetic coding of the human species has endured over millennia, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years, one thing is for sure if someone leaves the tribe and cross the horizon mm-hmm and come back, you want to know what they saw, what's in it that you want.
They know everything, all the stories they can tell and that has been the stuff of Legends since we have been able to communicate with each other and these are the journeys of Odysseus, these are journeys and then you return. and you tell your story, yes, statues are built for those people. I have yet to see a statue built for a robot, so you must not deny humans the value of the story that another human brings to us, yes, yes, and then can tell you. I know I think she's a beauty. I am taking a cue from the history of this exercise in our species.
Yes, I suspect that in the future robots will be able to tell stories and people will discover that they can actually be better at it, but that's a wonderful way to end this discussion because one of the reasons I wanted to hear your stories is who have crossed the horizon in communication and understanding and discussion and I wanted them to come back and tell me their stories and as always in spite of the shouting I find it quickly I think you can agree because you have been in this you have been on tour with you you made a movie this kind of thing amazes me every morning I wake up and see how many people follow me on Twitter hmm I feel like reminding them at least once a week you realize that you are following an astrophysicist yes, it's still time to go out it amazes me being able to show up at a movie theater and have it on a Thursday night, date night, yeah, and I have a
fullhouse and people come just to hear about science.
I would like to think that as delusional as this is, given all the challenges that scientists and scientific ideas face in modern culture, mmm-hmm, there is a surge of people, if they don't have scientific knowledge, they want to have it, yeah, There are and they appreciate all the efforts that scientists have made to write books, make YouTube
videos to testify in court, which I have never done, you have been there, yes. and I tell you that every time I see you you are one of our Bulldogs, you go into that fight in the trenches and every time science confronts religion in na in the school classroom, for example, that these are important boundaries , so, but I would like to think that we are transitioning from American culture and a society that didn't care about science or didn't know how and why science was important to a culture that will certainly be the next generation of 30 years or less, yes, who is ready to say it.
An understanding of science is the difference between a future in which I am alive and a future in which my descendants are dead. I certainly hope so. I think maybe I'm more optimistic. I think people have always been fascinated with science. The producers did not do it. I understand that people are fascinated by science and I am very happy that there are people like you who, by whatever accident of history or talent, have been able to convince the public and, to some extent, the producers that there is a need of that desire. and that the final product can be so good, so thank you Neil.
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