My #1 Chair Pick - Secret Lab Neue (versus Used Herman Miller Aeron + Atlas Headrest)Jun 06, 2021
What's up, everyone? My name is Dan and welcome, sincerely, today we are reviewing the
chair, the noya
chairand this chair. something i've been dreaming of something i've longed for but it's like a secret love story baby cause it seems like for some reason the secret lab doesn't want you to know about this chair because well how many of you have? I've heard of the Secret Lab Noy chair, they don't seem to advertise it as loudly as their gaming line and two because even when you go to the website it's pretty hard to find this chair like it's buried deep in the menus and I don't I don't know why because I'm officially crowning this chair my favorite chair at that mid-range price point of five hundred to six hundred dollars if you're looking for something new, if you're looking for something
used, I still recommend it. setup here this is the ren Ewed Aeron this is a
usedAeron with an
headrestand this setup will cost you around 600 us so i will be doing comparisons between the two chairs as we go along because the price points are similar but again keep in mind this setup will be about 10 15 years old or older whereas this will be brand new for about the same price let's be honest if you want to
pickup the noya chair use my affiliate link below i don't mind it costs nothing but it really helps this channel and by all means if you like this review please subscribe and all that jazz the newer chair was definitely designed for smaller people my theory is if you are six foot or taller and weigh 240 pounds or more I'll put all of that in metrics under this chair will it be uncomfortable for you just for reference I'm five foot six pounds and I think the size of this chair is perfect for me but m e encounter slight seat discomfort in certain positions now for more data points my wife who is f I'm seven foot yes honey I admit on camera that you're taller than me so she's five seven and she's much lighter than me, she's about 110-120 pounds.
She finds this chair is perfect for her and then for a third data point my friend who is 5ft 10200lbs when she sat in this chair said oh this is awesome especially since she is comparing it to chairs like the
aeronand the embodies so he was really surprised at how good he felt when he ran into a little bit of discomfort back in the seat because he's on the upper echelon of that weight limit so keep that in mind if You're looking to
pickup this chair, so what would make me crown the new chair best chair in that five six? hundred dollar price range well it's for three main reasons one is because of the mesh design it has mesh on the
headrest, back and seat and while the mesh isn't as soft as you find on the
aeron, it's exponentially softer than what's found in my favorite chair m the budget chair so that's really good and the mesh is really good for breathability.
More Interesting Facts About,
my 1 chair pick secret lab neue versus used herman miller aeron atlas headrest...
I found it to be really good because it doesn't pick up the gist as well as you would and I mean it though it sounds really funny like you are passing gas quite often in your chair and you have a fabric chair that fabric is going to pick up that and it's going to stain it forever with mesh because it's a little more sacred you're able to get some of that through and it doesn't stain as much or because it's a little more plastic in nature you can clean it much easier than mesh where you just it gets in there and you can never get it right, so that's it. um the second main reason I love it is because you remember how I was talking when I did the secret live review that I wanted a chair that could measure how to marry the ergonomics of an office chair like something like an aeron with the gaming ability with that lean back feature of a gaming chair and the
neuedoes it extremely well very very well so even though I can't go as far back as a gaming chair you can go back quite a bit and then just with touch a finger you can lock it in any position please and if you've never read anything on your laptop or seen anything on your computer lay back like this there's nothing like it i wish you could go back a bit more but this is pretty well and it is infinite lock which means you can literally lock it in any position you want you want to lock it perfectly 90 do it if you want to lock it a little lower do it right there are no lock positions eo designated you can literally lock it anywhere you want and you can do that and again it's a great marriage between the ergonomic office chair and the abilities of a gaming chair and it does it really really well and the third reason and you probably just saw it now you're probably like how did he just do it? lock the chair with without even moving your torso because a lot of these chairs to adjust a lot of the functions you really have to like to lean or reach or turn your torso and I find it funny because ergonomically if you want to have a chair where uh if you want to sit ergonomically you have to line up your eyes with the top of your monitor the problem with all these chairs is that to adjust the height you have to lean down so you lean down and you like to lower the height and you have to come over every time it's guessing you're like oh i did i hit it you're like oh no oh i hit it ah too far you have to go all the way up you know its that game you play with this chair i feel like the secret life really put a lot of thought into how someone adjusts their chair and i can adjust my chair at chair height without moving my torso at all just that's all literally at my fingertips same thing with the skinny bag i can do it leaning back I do at my fingertips and I'll explain all of that in a little bit more detail, but that's the other thing I love about this chair.
They really thought about how someone adjusts their chair and because it's more accessible I'm going to use it and compare it to something like the Secret Life gaming chair where if you want to tighten the back tension you literally have to get up out of the chair because the tension of the backrest seat, the back tension is under the seat and you can't adjust it unless you have long strong long or is it long long strong? Go ahead and explore the entire chair from the bottom up and I'll talk about the pros and cons along the way, as always we'll start at the bottom and work our way up starting with the wheels, the wheels aren't the quietest. i don't know if you guys can i hear they aren't the quietest but what i appreciate is that they seem to be hard floor and carpet casters like you compare that to you see this is on a hard floor compared to my aeron which has wheels only for carpets, as if to push it. it will keep going forever, which means you can't use this on hard floors because you'll strain your back and legs trying to keep the chair stable, so I appreciate that it's a whole floor caster instead of just one. casters for the floor so the legs look like I don't know polished chrome I don't think they are actually chrome they are probably stainless steel but I appreciate that they are flat because for me when I sit in my chair I like to tuck the legs under and rest my legs on top of the chair and unlike the aeron which has a very sloped top this one has a very flat top which means I can rest my feet there and for those of you who wear shoes in the house or plan to wear shoes while sitting on this chair and your chairs Feet won't slip off the sides so that's the legs in a nutshell now they're under the chair again one of the things you won't find Here what you will find in all these gaming chairs is the impossible to reach under the chair. adjustment knob that no one will ever use because it's impossible to reach but under the saddle there's only one adjuster and it's this one on the bottom right I don't know if you guys can see it here I'll put it on the b-roll but it's the slack adjuster back tilt and this is what I meant earlier when I said they really thought about how to make the controls on this chair as accessible as possible because unlike other chairs that have a knob that requires you to put your whole hand in and then turn with the wrist that can hurt the wrist and I've heard from people that I hurt my hand so I can't I hurt my wrist so I can't turn that knob these guys have a what do you call this like a handlebar that you can turn now requires a little wrist? t power, but it requires a lot more arm power and the other thing they thought about is that you sit in this position really inward that's hard to reach, but to make it easier for people to reach, you can pull it out, which which makes it a lot easier to access and then from here you can rotate it back and forth very easily very nice in your search lab for implementing something like this I really appreciate it so that's basically all you there's under the chair now we come to the seat and there's a lot to talk about here both from a features perspective, a pros perspective and unfortunately a cons perspective so this is the part where that you probably want to hone in a bit more ok so let's just look at the features that the seat allows you to if you look to the side here and there are so many features you almost lose track so there's a button here on e l left side that if you push it and stick your hips out the seat pan will change not unlike the body which has the design where it's like an inverted tab where I like that the inverted tab is better characterized because if you sit on it and you just pull it out, it gives you more thigh support, but if the seat physically moves sometimes, what?
What happens is people end up slouching as if they were moving their buttocks forward a little bit and creating this space in the back seat where the back isn't there, the lower back is no longer touching the seat and it creates some tension in the lower back. back back pain so unfortunately this has the design where you roll around but not only if you try to sit all the way back and your seat is all the way forward and you lean back a little bit just a little bit in your chair it feels this weird bump on your butt and it's not a good feeling like you're sitting on hard plastic when you do that so if you're someone who likes your seat to move as far as you can and you're going to at the same time leaning back isn't going to be comfortable for you and you're going to end up pushing your butt forward just to do it if you're not someone like that and don't mind them pushing the seat sorry it's also not the easiest fit in the world if you don't and want to lean back then no problem it's just for those people who like to have the seat pan quite a bit forward so that's the seat pan adjuster slider now there are a couple more stuff and i'm getting it confused with all the other chairs i'm testing so give me a second here wait nevermind that's the only feature so the seat pan can slide back and forth and that's the only feature now. this is where you really want to pay attention because this is where some of the cons of this chair come in first things first the mesh on the m favor is not as tight as something like on the aeron and something like the m favor and its good and bad is good because if you're looking for a very comfortable feel the
neuewill feel a little more comfortable than the air because on the aeron the mesh is so tight it feels like you're sitting on it like a bouncy rubber right?
It's as tight as it is nice it's pretty tight right in this you're going to sink in a little bit more and honestly it's not bad it feels really good when you sit on it it feels really really good though the downside is that there is a very aggressive foam pad. the front here that if you're on the heavier end of that 240 pound limit you're going to feel it a little more aggressive in your thighs than if you were on the lighter end again 174 pounds and I'm starting to feel it after a long time too now there's a couple of ways you can get around this which run into a few more downsides this gets a bit trickier the first thing you can do is go ahead and take the seat pan out like i showed you before and you'll be fine as bec because then the pad it'll be a little bit won't sit as aggressively on that thigh area the other thing you can do is you and this is what you generally want to do anyway you probably want to put a footrest on the bottom so that because a ideal ergonomic position is your leg should never be hanging off the leading edge anyway it should be raised a little bit actually it should be a little more than 90 degrees so pretend i I'm you know I have a footrest this might be a little high but if I'm here then that pad isn't digging into my thighs as much so that's something you might also want to consider and the third thing you can do to avoid the pain here if you start to feel it or if the discomfort is you may be an ergonomics maverick now this chair is big enough to accommodate an ergonomics maverickergonomics and because it has padding on all edges it won't be uncomfortable on your toes.
You're people who don't have shoes on don't wear shoes in the house don't wear shoes when you sit in your chair so if you're like me and you just put on socks in really cool dragon socks I don't know if you can see that, um, this is something you can do to circumvent that it's not the perfect solution but again I think mesh is very difficult to implement and for 600 you may find it's like you wish they had done it better but keep in mind that the aeron it's a thousand bucks more and I think they've done it perfectly the only thing is you don't get a lot of flexibility because you can't cross your legs in a chair like this moving on now to the lumbar support the lumbar support in the the noise starts at the bottom of the mid back and then you can get it up a bit higher than mid back and then you can make it more aggressive than it already is right now for me personally I find I like my lumbar to start lower if I can so this is the revamped aeron with the posture adjust lumbar support and this is the neua and you can see that the lumbar support on the neues starts sense higher compared to the lumbar support on the aeron so it's not my lumbar support favorite but that's me personally this is a personal thing now to adjust the lumbar support in this one it's going to focus everything that I just told you before because it's not easy to do so the first thing you can do is raise the lumbar support and the way they do it is like this little plastic thing like a little curve that they can feel there and they can grab it and just lift it up and you'll feel the pad extend up so that's the first thing you can do and the second thing is really hard to do there are two buttons here on the side of the neue and what you do is push them with your thumbs and then with your middle fingers you push the top plastic pad forward and if you do the seat it basically bulges forward and the lumbar gets a little bit more aggressive now this to me is a little bit too aggressive and again the way you reset it is just push the buttons and it will just go back so the lumbar standard is better for me and I like the lumbar rays so I have more vertical coverage of my spine so that's the lumbar in in a nutshell moving now to the arms they can be adjusted vertically just by pulling them up up there is no button to push them just turn them and you can hear the clicks and if you want to move it down you have to lift it all the way up and then it will just go down on its own so the arm fit is not ideal.
I wish there was a way to be a little more precise because you'll never know if the arms are perfect even unless you're counting the ticks which can be hard to do so that's the vertical adjustment huh I mean the vertical aspect and then they can also be civilian and unlike 90 of the chairs minus the
millerthe civilian arm is really decent like you really get a good amount of room when you turn them out halfway in the only adjustment i wish these arms would have is i wish they could adjust outward a bit more because it does feel a little claustrophobic in here right?
I wish there was a little more space. I also want that. the arms would lean with you when you go down because the lean is so good unfortunately these arms don't lean with you here they stay static at that level compared to more expensive chairs and generally a feature of more expensive chairs but beware with these arms you're going to help the arms move with you so because 90 degrees when you sit up straight for your arms is not 90 degrees when you lean back so these arms move with you some other chairs that they check out they move with you too unfortunately the neue doesn't so that's the arm adjustments now the star of the show here's what he calls the secret lab i forgot what they called it something shift i forgot i'll put it down here but it's what that I showed you before the right one controls the height of the chair and if you sit and push it up then you just push it down and then the second one will be the rear camber adjustment you push it once you push it once and it will unlock the back and you can go unlimited and again if you want to increase the tension it's that little rope bar on the right hand side and again it's infinite lock which means anywhere you want to be you're like oh I really like this position you lock it and you're locked in and it's great because again it's so accessible that you'll actually use it on some of these gaming chairs because they're so big you have to recline and you have to kind of reach very away and you have to turn like a knob down here which makes it really hard to do and it's kind of annoying here this means I'll adjust endlessly until I'm super comfortable because it's so accessible I really, really appreciate these little gestures of tabs I wish there were more you could I would do with these things I wish they would produce more features but that's the arms in a nutshell now they move to the headrest it's ok in, so a head rests. also because you pay for it separately, some people may say: oh you have to pay for a headrest, that's ridiculous.
These other chairs come with one. all these headrests on these other chairs because, well, let me explain why other headrests are bad in the first place, and I explain this last. when you're sitting at 90 than to wear them you create that correct triple chin effect and it's like a really awkward position and because they don't adjust forward unlike
atlaswhere you can put it look at that range is ridiculous where you can move it as far as you want a lot of these headrests can't the atlas is the only one where you can adjust the horizontal limit where you can actually pull it towards you and it will actually move to you're right so it goes forward and the part that sucks is that the vertical adjustment is really hard to do so it's one of these oh god that's loud and it scares me because on the headrest m favor like when i was trying to adjust it because it was so hard to do it slammed into my spine my neck bone here and left the bruise for weeks so here it's a little bit easier to do but still very scary because you can't control it because you need so much strength so again a reason n why these headrests aren't great, but the fact that they can go down, the fact that you can adjust it back and forth a little bit, it doesn't actually move back and forth, you're moving it down a little bit . like if this is the headrest you are kind of transforming it down vs up like that and it can rotate too the atlas headrest is so cool because it can adjust in and out up and down and then it can rotate too the front only these three axes are really clear and so the reason the atlas headrest is good but not perfect is because the angle like the angle of the headrest doesn't sit well in the curve of my neck here compared to something like the atlas headrest which again made me realize how much ingenuity and how I thought a lot went into the atlas headrest for the aeron series and soon to be on the body series guys thumbs up for that but yeah this is not bad, it's better like i said it's better than 80 of the other chairs that come with headrests including the mavics including the city i've tried including the final favor which includes all these other chairs better than most, not as good as atlas for air in the series though ok guys that pretty much sums up this chair so again at five six hundred bucks is it worth it?
I would say yes if you're looking for a new chair and you're looking for a chair that can do it all, that can give you real lumbar support compared to some of the gaming chair counterparts that can give you that kind of lean like oh wow! that lean back thing like it's really well made and the build quality is pretty decent like there's nothing I'm worried about breaking and you're going to compare that again later to some of these more expensive chairs I'm worried about but it feels like a really solid chair. Unfortunately, they don't design it in a larger size.
I wish they would do it for my older friends but yeah I would recommend this chair because it's can do it all I think you can do it all and you have to raise the headrest because of the ability to be able to lean back and lock the chair now like I said at the beginning although when i pick it over this setup here this again is like a used aeron this is a refurbished used aeron with the atlas headrest it will set you back about 600 its better than this i am going to say it can compete for its money in terms of sheer ergonomics i don't think this chair is going to give you a better ergonomic sitting experience for most people some people hate the aeron and i understand no aaron isn't made for everyone but i think this will give you a better overall experience in terms of of ergonomics, but what you can't do is change from an ergonomic chair to a comfortable lounge chair like the neue can do and that means a lot to certain people and signif It's a lot for me and so I don't know how to say this but I'm glad I have both chairs my wife loves this chair so if I want to see something I'll give her my body for a minute and steal this chair so yeah with all that being said guys i hope you like this video use my affiliate links below if you want to pick up the noya chair or any chair from secr et lab until next time guys love you all stay safe and as always be honest wow
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