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Maajid Nawaz dismantles caller who says he is 'not British' | LBC

Maajid Nawaz dismantles caller who says he is 'not British' | LBC
was quite interesting you say that fish only accounts for one percent of uh gdp but it's obviously very evocative because it's you know it's all everyone's talking about the moment no one's talking about the city of london or kind of food um trucks going in and out although you do hear some kind of um you back and forth about that kind of thing i think the the whole thing about fish is because it's because it's relating to the waters surrounding this island and you
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know what what is

british

waters and and what people have access to is not really about the fish i suspect oswald it's about the territorial waters it's about control and i mean most of the time i think what people are really interested in interested in if you kind of zoom out the whole brexit debate thing is what what will the government do when they take an action or they make a decision or they make um make a choice when they're negotiating will it either diminish the chance of
ethnic brits becoming a minority by 2066 will it make that date further away are they interested in it do they know about it do they care about sorry i didn't understand also what you say what will what diminish the chance of ethnic brits sorry i don't get what you mean could you just rephrase that so yeah so so ethnic brits are currently on course to become a minority by 2066 roughly thereabouts what's an ethnic brit oswald what do you mean by that uh english welsh scots and irish
so am i english no you're a pakistani man well i was born in england and england's a country so am i english so what's your ethnicity well that's not what i'm asking you though because anglo-saxon but english is not english is not in my head an ethnicity english is a country let me tell you what i think anglo-saxon is an ethnicity and england is a country so i'm wondering what so because by the way there's no such ethnicity as pakistani either oswald pakistan was a
country created in 1947 out of about five ethnicities well i'm sorry i'm not a learned historian about your the past well you don't have to apologize for well it's not my country britain's my country i was born well i'll i'll put the question directly to you well you're more than welcome to but before this conversation carries on can you accept that britain is my country i i don't think you belong here to be honest magic i think you're a subversive
globalist uh well that's interesting but whether or not you think i'm a subversive globalist and aside from whether it's true because i'm not even gonna bother to get into that conversation uh just check out my views on corporatism global corporatism and yes you've stated you're a globalist yes that's correct uh that was actually that was a joke about four years ago but that's a different point also the point is whether or not i hold that view or not how does that
negate being

british

i mean there are white people that are globalist that you'd still consider

british

so i'm wondering why a falsely attributed view to me even if you were correct means i'm not

british

are you happy with ethnic brits becoming a minority in this in their own no no that's not what the first answer my question and i don't know if you answer that question i'm afraid you don't get to dictate the terms of this conversation that's what people want to
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hear they won't hear people like you who have a voice in media whatever you think people want to hear could you first do me the courtesy of responding to why you think that if a white person held globalist views you'd still consider them

british

but if a brown person incorrectly attributed holds globally why is it well i don't know i'm asking you why you don't think i've got the right to call myself

british

your your ethnic roots come from the middle east somewhere
that's not what i asked you asked why do you think i don't have the right to call myself

british

because you're not

british

so what is it you think i am you're a pakistani man you're from the middle east but i don't have a pakistani passport oh so a piece of paper dictates your ethnic origin no but no but we've already agreed pakistani is not an ethnicity so why are you telling me i'm of the pakistani who can tell you about the middle east and the roots of people
from the middle east that's right so can you agree that england is a country like scotland is a country and the ethnicity what you're really trying to say and then we can actually have a conversation i'm happy to have a conversation with you about it but i think what you're really trying to say is that you're worried that white anglo-saxons are being stigmatized or discriminated against or could end up being a minority now that is a legitimate conversation i can have with you
but you can't tell me that i'm not

british

and then want to have that conversation with me because you've already de-legitimized my view as far as i'm concerned so there's no point in having that chat with you do you see look i mean this is the view of every every single nation in the world has a has its own ethnic people and yeah i'm not disputing that i'm questioning your definition of english as an ethnicity because england is a country if england were to break
away from scotland right that's a country yeah now people can be english because they're members of that country but what i suspect you mean is you're worried about the plight of white anglo-saxons in england is that what you mean well yeah basically yeah so can we agree on terms for this debate because i can't talk to somebody who doesn't think i have a legitimate view and a stake in my country listen you can have a legitimate view but that doesn't change your ethnicity
you're losing the point if we're both equals in this country as english and

british

if we both think i'm equal to you in this country as both a

british

person and an english person though not anglo-saxon right you would respect any view i offer you as to the future of white anglo-saxon people in this country as a equal view to yours because i have an equal stake in this country as a

british

or english person but if you don't accept that i have an equal stake in this country as a
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britain or an english person in the country of england there's no point having a conversation with you because you're not going to accept what i say anyway even if i'm right because you think i don't belong here so the question is really oswald if you mean white anglo-saxon people and you can accept that i am a briton and an englishman in the country of england week i'm happy to carry on even though the switchboard is bursting with people trying to get through i'm happy
to carry on this conversation with you but you would have to agree that i have an equal premise and a stake in this country first you may have imagined you may have a stake in this country don't try and pull them all over our eyes equal please equal am i equal to you in this country as an englishman listen no you just changed the question you've asked two different questions because they're all the same am i an equal brit an equal englishman with an equal stake magic magic you're
not

british

you're not i'm sorry i know you i know you believe that oswald i'm trying to i'm trying to i'm sorry i'm sorry to tell you this so you don't have to apologize no because i feel sorry for you because you're i'm trying to work out i know you feel sorry for me and i'm not angry at you i'm trying to work out why you're confusing the ethnicity of being white anglo-saxon with the membership of a country called england so say that again so i i
could i i don't think you actually genuinely understand what i'm trying to say to you is but i'm not angry with you i because i've spoken to people with your views many times right i'm trying to understand why you cannot distinguish between ethnicity in the sense of a white anglo-saxon group and i'm perfectly half that happy to have that conversation with you because i do think working-class white anglo-saxons in this country have been terribly hard done by in fact if you
stay tuned stop stop stop wait no no no no no no i would i'm sorry but you don't get to set the rules in this conversation if you stay tuned for the next hour you will hear me defending the millwall fans right so i in fact i'm incredibly critical including by the way in in environments i regularly mix in of white liberals failing to understand the white working classes and you will hear me talk about that in the next hour but that is a separate conversation white anglo-saxons and
their plight in this country is a separate conversation to insisting that i'm not english or i'm not

british

and i'm hoping oz would that you can pass the labels you're attaching to that from the idea where we may actually end up agreeing with a bit more than you think i would if you could just stop calling me names like you're not

british

you're not english is that fair oswald but i'm not calling you names don't get distracted man forget that why i said names
don't get distracted stay focused stay focused i'm not offended at all but i've told you three times i'm not offended no sir i said forget the names bit stay focused yeah okay all right labels call use the word labels if you like the question is can i be a member of the country of england well you can you can live here and you can have a passport here but that doesn't go can i be an equal no it doesn't can i be an equal member of the country of england an equal member
what does that even mean to you as a citizen well if you're talking about the fact you you probably own property here and have a passport ah oswald listen you know what you've just done you know what you've done you've damaged your cause incredibly because you had an opportunity right now to speak to somebody who's not angry to speak to somebody who was going to be rational with you to speak to somebody that was giving you a chance more so than anyone else because you've
had the entire segment of 15 minutes we've got to go to the news i was giving you a chance to articulate articulate yourself in a way that doesn't uh deny my identity and i would have sympathized with you as i've already said the next hour is on me sympathizing with mirwill fans that boo taking the knee you just missed a huge opportunity to bring people together and instead wanted to focus on the label that i'm not an englishman or i'm not

british

which is fine you've got
every right to hold that view but unfortunately you've done your own cause of disservice and i suspect your cause is very important the importance of your cause is to stick up for the white working classes i'm with you on that but you've done your whole cause of disservice because now all anyone's gonna hear and i'm not calling you this by the way because i don't call people names but all anyone is gonna hear is racist and that's unfortunate because i genuinely want
to be able to have a conversation with people like you and bypass the uh silly labeling because it's just not needed who's english who's not english and just actually talk about the substance but i wish you called in the next hour because maybe we'd had a different chat anyway i was would i hope you have a good day i hope you have a a a nice whatever christmas mulled wine and chill and relax and i wish you all the best