Michael Franzese on How He Felt when Mob Boss Carmine the Snake Died, Who Put a Hit on Him (Part 13)

The case I'm talking about was Thomas Jolie's role in the murder of William Cottolo, also known as Wild Bill, yes, did you know Bill very well? Yes, we were around the same time, it was during my time, yes, okay, and this guy was known for committing a bunch of murders supposedly again and I didn't have much to do with him, so I don't know, okay, wild bill or billy fingers, was he considered one of the crazy ones in the group or just a normal guy, yeah? I know I didn't see him that way no, he wasn't considered that way, I mean, at least during my time, I mean, I knew him well, we were in each other's presence quite a bit, um, I didn't see him that way , I liked. him you know he was a good guy well on march 7 2019

carmine

persico finally

died

in prison yeah this is a guy that hit you

when

you found out he had

died

it was like a sigh of relief or sadness or or nothing or what happened you know vlad let me let me let me put it this way I knew I liked junior I really liked him I knew

when

I walked away that I was going to be in trouble because I took an oath and I violated my oath just by walking away and talking about life, not necessarily putting people in trouble, but talking about life even though there was nothing else to learn because we were so caught up between surveillance and informants and wiretaps, everything you needed to know, look.

I'm going to respond to this, so bear with me when the John Gotti case came up. We had the same lawyer he had, Bruce Cutler. I had John Jacobs. Angelo Ruggierio was in the lawyer's office listening to the 2,000 hours of tapes that were left as a result. about the mistake in Roger's house and the a

part

ment where John used to sit on the raven, there was so much information in those tapes about the life, the structure, the names of the people that are mentioned, there is nothing more, the government knows everything. they know everything, so you know life was falling a

part

, so when I left, I knew that Junior was going to be very angry with me, no doubt, and I knew that the right thing to do with someone who was leaving was to put a contract.

Life according to our life, the oath we took, so it wasn't a surprise to me, it wasn't how dare Junior do that, I knew he was going to face that with the consequences, but he also had a plan. how to get over that i'm moving to california you're not going to call me into a room and blow my brains out that's not going to happen you're going to have to come and chase me and find me and i'll be aware of this i'm alert, i know it, so i knew it was going to face that, so no, I can't say that I was angry at Junior in the same way that I wasn't.

It hurt me that my father agreed, it was you. I know in a way that was devastating, but I also understood and forgave him. I know he sounds crazy. My wife thinks I'm crazy when I say that, but I was such a product of life that I understood it. I got it right, Persico died, uh, I

felt

bad when he died, honestly, I mean, he spent 30-something years, he spent most of his life in prison. Let's be real, yeah, but you know, yeah, I

felt

bad, honestly, well, Persico died, uh, the acting

boss

, Alphonse Persico. He's serving a life sentence, yeah, and the last known street

boss

, uh, Andy Russo, is over 80, right, so they don't really know who runs Columbo these days, no, no, I don't think they really do, I don't know. look Andrew is a very smart guy, I can tell you he is very smart, very capable and like I said I loved Andrew and to this day and obviously we don't talk but I love them I mean I left on good terms with Andrew yeah , I mean, uh.

It seems like you know, I mean, there was recently, even you know, last year, in October of last year, uh capo Joseph Amato along with Daniel Capaldo and Thomas Uh Scorcia were charged with extortion and loan sharking, so sometimes I still you see the colombo guys on the news. and get trapped, so they're still around, but it seems like they've gotten a lot quieter than they used to be, listen, if they didn't, then no one would be around, they would have taken everyone out, but uh, I. I don't know, look, you know, if the government continues to put as much pressure on that life as they did in the mid-80s, there will really be problems, it will go away, I don't think that's the case because now, what happens? the government you know terrorism and cybercrime and things like that, but they haven't completely moved away from that, you know, investigating that life, but it's just different, it's different, it's not the same, let me tell you the golden age My previous life was from the 50s to the mid 80s, that was when we had it going, no doubt, and even Sami the bullet tells you that was when we had it going and then in the mid 80s , started to fall apart, I don't believe it.

I will ever come back