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s special afternoon

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stream it feels like we do these a lot um yeah it's crazy right we're not even close to we're not even close to the you know end conclusion of the nba season and

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just keep jumping in there with news and then today uh first

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ed by adrian wojnarski um and then kind of confirmed by lots of different people along the way the

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are going to

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imei

udoka

as the team's new head coach uh which uh instantly was received with a lot of uh you know a lot of people really liked this

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it really felt like it was down to him maybe him and i know phillips was kind of kicking around there as a possibility though it looked more likely that chauncey was going to go to portland uh that being the case um this happened and it happened today the

celtics

are the first team to name their new head coach this offseason which i kind of like and even if honestly this is appearances only i like the fact that if billups was indeed their number one i like the fact that they um didn't look like they had their second pick and for all we know doka was the guy all along um and that's what they wanted we don't have anything from the team it's not official official yet but it is out there so um you know interested to hear like reaction from players uh from from the team itself uh and everything there and obviously we're gonna have i'm sure a press conference and other things in the coming days but...
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this is the guy so we have the coach uh the two major

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two major offseason dominoes have fallen already um and you know we're gonna fill up the chat here and we're curious your comments as well but uh we had for sure kemba walker was the thing that had to happen and a coach had to happen and boom bang bang both of those things checked off pretty quick so you guys uh initial reaction to the higher you know brad's two for two uh bobby said that earlier i'm gonna keep it going for sure i i think he got this one right and that's a good point by you john because i do think that that may have been sort of the language throughout that interview or maybe the last interview between brad and and and

udoka

about how hey look if if this works if we can make this work let's do it right away let's not waste any time let's send out the great message to our team to the players that look we made a decision because it's not about oh let's wait until one of these candidates makes makes a uh makes a decision between two teams we're going with you you know the brooklyn nets were bound out of the playoffs i'm not sure who it was but someone mentioned that actually i think it was bobby's someone tweeted that out that hey if the

celtics

are going to make a serious run at it maybe you should do it now instead of weighing your options a couple of weeks down the road and you know just pretty much showing your cards right that would be showing...
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your cards to to adoka that was like yeah you're one of our top guys but we really want to have one more conversation no so now that that's out the window no you are a guy we believe in you we believe in the relationship you had with with tatum and brown or at least the fact that you guys can build on that uh i do think we talked about this a couple of nights ago that this was something that was discussed with those two i think it had to have been uh i think brad is certainly in the position to do stuff like that especially when we're talking about the head coach so i love it i mean his defensive background is something to talk about as well it comes from the tutelage of greg popovich i mean who doesn't respect more who doesn't respect greg popovich more than more than brad stevens and we talk about this team uh having a backbone throughout the course the regular season and you know i don't think this is that kind of guy who's gonna get into people's faces but i think he's the kind of coach that knows how to uh you know sort of show his cards and say hey look this is the way it is i need you to do this that and the other you know i i just again everything about this

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i love you know from his background to his history with the players and of course his his coaching history you know coming from the school of popovich i really really like this hive yeah it feels like this one gained momentum in the last week or two after it became clear...
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that chauncey who i still think tend to think was their first choice was pretty much on his way to portland he's a finalist now up there with becky hammond and a few others wouldn't be stunning once the clippers bow out here to hear him name there so ultimately i do think once they started searching email more and really like in the last week or so myself learning more about him became more convinced with this too and the biggest factor for me is that world cup run which you know i love john like that was my favorite coming back to that but no i had no clue he was an assistant on that staff as closely as i followed that i loved that because they they failed right it's like you know i i think i would i wouldn't look that look at that as like okay well you know they won so they trust this guy like no this is something that they can work on that they believe in you know well yeah i don't really care about the result as much as that they came out of that run with a lot of good feelings good sentiment they got a great start season going after that kemba you know got off to a great stride there and of course it was more bonding time for tatum brown and smart together with him and they were able to experiment and if you know if things went another way miles turner could have been part of that core too but like them trusting him knowing him and having worked with him already in a system that he was setting up out there i think is encouraging i guess the only thing...
that i would take away from that is that tatum's production in china that summer was a little spotty i don't think you can adapt that to how he's going to do in the nba or how udoku is going to coach in the nba but all i know is that this guy has been overlooked as a head coach for a long time now you heard him coming out of philly two seasons ago was a hot candidate not only in other spots but also to take over in philly and they ultimately ended up going the other way because they got the chance to

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doc there so he had to sit that season in brooklyn and the third factor that i really like is that you get some insight on brooklyn that's who you're gunning for now you know this guy comes from inside there well i know it's not the biggest deal in the world but you're going to

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an assistant from your chief competitor there i think that's a that's about plus as well yeah that one that's not bad that one's a lot lower on my list i do think um of the things that you mentioned i like that here's the things i like because we don't know ultimately what kind of head coach he's going to be uh because he hasn't had it but i like a few things i think we didn't want to retread right that's that's definitely not what you wanted you didn't want a guy who's been recycled through the league who has some name recognition but has you know uh succeeded some but failed some other places okay didn't want...
that uh we definitely wanted a former player and he's a former player it was important and the

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clearly had said that they wanted a blackhead coach um so obviously that was something you saw the list of finalists there and that was something that they felt was really important um you want somebody that the players would feel good about and you have endorsements from tatum and brown and smart uh all uh for him and i like the idea of an up and comer i like the idea and again goes back to the retread i want to see what somebody has given a shot i feel much better about that than a person who you know what they've got you know what they're doing here you want to see if you can catch that kind of rising star um you know train the way you did with brad which was who knows what brad's got it turned into something within a year and you're like this guy's a damn good coach okay and so that's what you're hoping to catch here is like did we get the next superstar young coach who just hadn't been given a shot for whatever reason xyz um because a lot of teams were taking the easy route as you said a candidate in philly but it's like i don't know doc's kind of a nice shiny object there i'm gonna go get him instead you know somebody who maybe should have arrived on the scene a little bit sooner than this that you're catching at just the right time so i like all of those things i think checking all of those boxes is good i am...
super super super interested more than any as i said last show i don't care who the coach is as long as the players like him because i don't know who's going to be successful so all i want to see is those guys come out in support of this move and that's what i'm really interested in we might not get that until it's official maybe they've been told not to say anything yet but i really want to hear what jason thinks what jalen thinks what marcus thinks what anybody who we think is going to be part of this core going forward has to say about the new

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because you really want them to feel good about it um and if they do sign me up to access the axis trio yeah so yeah i mean that's what that's why i feel like they they have to be consulted you know well you hope so right yeah brad i think brad has spent enough time with these guys to to know that enough you know like i i think this past year he owes him that much at least right i'm thinking it from brad's perspective and i just think brad's that kind of guy i don't think none of this is ideal from the moment he had to you know transition into this new role but he's gonna do his absolute best to to right the ship and i i think that this certainly checks that box for sure yeah and i i like the middle ground here and josue alluded to this at the beginning that this is a guy with real coaching chops he's been coaching for a decade here and systems where coaching matters...
specifically san antonio there along with the fact that he seems to be a personality that can manage the room a little bit get a little aggressive when he needs to but at the same time not be too hard on guys it seems like this guy and you know what you mentioned with him not being a retread and just all the different things that come together around his personality i think he was the ideal candidate here you know you got the familiarity you got the coaching chops you got the personality those are the three things you're looking for there and uh you know i talked to sharad about him on dome theory last week when we run into the different candidates don't be surprised if he brings in a powerful assistant too a name we recognize like that name assistant yeah no like a lloyd pierce i think you know brad's enamored by him we've seen brad just gush about him in the past i don't think he's gonna get a head coaching job this time around and i think there is a connection there on the coach popovich coaching tree at some point along the way so that's a guy i think that can be another good personality that can connect with guys in the room and also bring some coaching shops he wasn't a guy who would

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his head coach but he's a guy i would like having in that room he has a lot of respect as well yeah um yeah we'll see where that goes uh and again bobby is there anything prohibiting them from officially announcing announcing there's no like...
you know wait until big announcements until the uh the no i think we'll hear very soon yeah yeah yeah we should get that pressure soon okay it's gonna be interesting how they come up with this coaching staff right yeah like it's gonna be so i would imagine it'd be so hard for brad to be like wait really this guy or hey did you call this one or what about you know what i mean like you must have so many different i always thought that was and options for it for him i i always thought that was the most complicated part of brad moving the gm because now ema's in here he has his guys does that include jay i know uh the other guy's gone there detroit now jerome allen does that include scott morrison these guys that were on brad's bench i tend to think not uh but they have to come to some sort of compromise there in terms of who's on the bench i think that's going to be an interesting discussion there well i was also just thinking about outside not just internal internal candidates or coaches you know i'm sure brad obviously is well connected and has you know plenty of ideas or at least a couple of guys in mind that would that would jump at the opportunity that he finds as a is an ideal fit maybe someone a guy or two or you know an assistant that he just wasn't in his position to to bring on to his staff because he already had you know he's been with that staff for quite some time i really like lloyd pierce i i'm bummed ema's...
not on that usa staff this summer with tatum there which i think would be a great opportunity for them to start to work together but lloyd pierce is so that's a guy i want to see them bring in just because he can start to build that bond have those conversations with tatum he's more of an offensive guy so they can start to have those conversations email a little more on the defensive side which i love too joe sway this this defense needs to get back in action here like this team needs to get back to being a different channel what is the calling card would you say as a coach here what do you think his coaching philosophy is what's what's he hanging his hat on here defense defense first that's why i love it the defense first guy and i know he got to do some schematic things in philly um that worked to mix results and that could have been personnel issues obviously two years ago with that kind of mishmash lineup but i know they had issues defending the pick and roll um and obviously did in the

celtics

series as well i don't know how much goes to brett how much uh

udoka

was kind of the defensive guru of that team so i am kind of curious what he's going to kind of bring in terms of this is this is how we play you know like we talked about you know and if jimmy were on here he'd be screaming i don't give a crap offense often no because it's true like we talked about work for the nets you need you need two things from this team two things...
desperately i'm sorry and i'll get your thought no i think you're about to say it but yeah go ahead just two things desperately from this team you need a coach who can get them to play with pace on offense and move the freaking basketball which means ultimately get it out of tatum's hands and don't let them you know slow dribble it up the court which is just it's a choice a coach has to say this isn't how we're running it we're not going to run it this way which also is going to require a point guard to help kind of facilitate that number two the return of defensive intensity and we've been all over this this offseason we talked about it during the year and bobby you would make the case a ton that like it is hard for when your best players also happen to be your best defensive players it is hard to sustain that level of effort necessary and you know we just heard the comments from kd and leonard has been in the same boat of the intensity it takes to be a great two-way player for 40 minutes a game over the course of a season or series it's hard so you really just need to commit to the philosophy playing help side defense you know clogging those passing lanes and doing the things that you need to do to have a good team defense which is as much about focus as it is locking down the dynamic scorer on the other team but you got to bring those two things that up that defensive intensity effort and focus and get them to play with pace do...
we think you can do that and joe sway you were you were about to jump in uh no i was just gonna get more to the you know uh the the culture of what the

celtics

were before you know being one of those top defensive teams and you know you talk about the pace of space that's an interesting point in your part because you know that's sort of going to be interesting to see how he's able to do that between jalen and tatum the point guard question is going to linger for a while because it's it's hard to you know sort of predict what this team's gonna look like offensively but i'm just i don't know i i'm i'm not that's out of the two i'm more concerned about the defense i just think this team has to return to being one of those top-notch teams i i think you know this the coach hiring obviously has a lot to do with that i think bringing back al has a lot to do with that maybe not just from his you know uh just from his physical attributes you know but more as a an enforcer or someone that's gonna that can lead that people will follow you know someone who will lead by example so you know i mean that's going to be really boring you know again i just think that's what motivates this team you know games where they played unbelievable defense you know wasn't a whole lot of them a handful of games throughout the course this season you saw how it resonates on the offensive end and how it motivates guys but they have to be able to...
be you know have that effort night in a night out in order to be successful and being above 500 team yeah when you think about what brad was looking for out of a coach here it was going to be a guy who met his mold in terms of stylistically how he wants to play which i think you check those boxes here in terms of the defensive emphasis along with that ball movement pace that you talk about that was so emblematic of the spurs and the jazz how you know brad raven about the jazz all the last year and just those you know popovich coaching trade teams that emphasize movement and defense and i think that's what you're gonna get with

udoka

here but that key difference from brad versus this guy is the communication the connection with players that sort of thing the politics inside the room and that's where this guy gets you know rave reviews here it wasn't a great season in philly and i think that would be the knock on him that one year in philly but again we just look at who was in that room between embiid horford and simmons and that was never going to work no matter who the coach was so that's the thing too and again that's kind of where you want to see and you wonder where brad comes into play here as a as a coach up in the front office here and how much he's still imparting some of his coaching philosophies on the team which is i want us i'm building a team to play this style so you know almost like the billy bean art house sort of situation like...
here's the guys i'm providing you because we're gonna play this way i don't know if brad's still going to affect or influence that what i need most of you is to implement these systems and get the most out of these guys because almost everything you hear about uh

udoka

in terms of the type of coach he is is really about how he connects with people you know uh as you said josue that balance between um a guy who can and uh you know goodman recently uh jeff goodman actually um just uh uh sportsbook on twitter he's talking to talking to rudy gay um just a couple of quotes here and this is almost this is exactly what you've heard from a lot of different sources a lot of different people and described him he's a hard worker he coached under a guy named greg pogbovich uh everyone on the team and staff respected email those guys all liked him and respected him he's an easy guy to connect with talking about the team usa hiring also said he listens to players and and adjusts which again is a big thing it's not his way or the highway he has an edge but he's not a hard ass he'll stand up to guys he's defensive minded he values toughness this stuff is all great personally i don't love guys i i this is going to sound shitty i don't love guys who spend too much time listening it's all good like i'll listen because i want you to be able to say what you want to say we're still going to do what i say you know like...
that's fine you don't want to not listen to but you are there's always that concern with a player coach and a guy who comes in too much is like not a pal but a guy you know the the it's really different to be an assistant as it is to be a head coach the assistant can be your buddy you might be able to talk to the assistant about stuff that's bugging you with the head coach and he'll he'll let an ear and he can be a support guy i'll talk to coach for you we can we'll talk i i hear you i hear where you're coming from buddy he said that you sure he said that yeah you can do that you can do that you can play the in between a little bit but when you're the final word you got to be a little bit more of a hard ass so that's another tough transition going from us it's much easier to be assistant you really can be a guy's buddy or more so and the coach has to ultimately sometimes give it to how much how much should the cash a matter you because that's obviously what he's missing is he played in the league but barely you know like that he he wasn't a chauncey you know he's not a guy who you come in and it's like oh it's billups and that's something that was mentioned around the importance of this job i don't tend to think that was as big of a deal because i do think this isn't the nets you know this isn't kyrie kd and hard and going out there rolling the ball and not really needing all that...
much coaching to figure it out you know so you can stick steve nash out there as a figurehead who's just gonna you know combine these different kinds of personalities here i do think you need it and he made this to some degree a guy who can scheme who can do different things to bridge that talent gap a little bit because this still isn't i know we think this team has more potential than they showed but it certainly isn't a roster that if they meet their mark is going to be head and shoulders above everybody they're going to find different ways to bridge the gap with the best teams yeah and the thing i wanted to kind of fill in on the whole player coach thing this goes back to what we're saying about tatum and brown kind of not not being on the clock so to speak but if tatum and brown influence this higher and this is a guy they have to really try hard to make it work which means they've got to forg they've got to give you know i these aren't guys who we think are stubborn by any means this isn't too petulant superstars these are young guys who play hard and want to get better i think as far as a head coach goes you're not going to do much better than walking into a room with jason tatum and jaylen brown as your superstars in terms of guys you gotta coach totally different story you walk in you gotta coach harden and durant not that they're miserable guys but they are star star star with a capital s mega stars who you know could get...
a coach fired if they if he looks at him funny you know like there's a there's a much bigger pressure there this is actually a really good opportunity for a younger coach with these guys because they're not they're not those guys yet they could be in a couple of years and not from an attitude perspective just in terms of a power broker perspective you know like you're like i wave my hand and and everybody's gone sort of thing like harden could do or something right they got to work they got to work they got to work to make him succeed as well which means i think they're going to be on not to say again i'm trying not to throw too many disclaimers behind it not to say they wouldn't behave well but it really really really benefits them to say okay we got a guy who we think we like we can connect to let's go play for this guy let's let's not do the thing we did last year which is pick and choose our moments where we're going to play you know get walked over by bad teams give up you know consistently come out and trailing by 15 points after the first quarter melt down late in the fourth you know sulk our shoulders and this and that it's up to those guys to be like we're gonna help you we're gonna we're gonna make it so you succeed i think it works i think it works the same way for him if you have like a 20-year coach who comes in a veteran who comes in there and says no this is the way i've been doing it for...
you know before you kids were a

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i'm going to do it this way i know the way to do it going to you know that's not going to work and and when you look at players like jason tatum and jalen brown i mean of course they still have plenty to prove they want to show everyone that they can make this thing work so you bring in a coach that you want to impress that you want to work hard for because you know that he's got a lot to prove as well and we they all want to show the city exactly why this is a good fit and yeah you know that that's another good reason that's another reason why i love this this uh this higher as my leg goes off i don't this is the first time it's ever done i don't think it likes being on when it's really light batteries baby no no i think it's the light being like listen man it's not dark outside it's not messing with me and then it goes off it's it's just it refuses to stay on right now yeah so i you know i think coaching's a little bit more important than you do john but there i do think the pressing roster questions are still far more important than how good udoku is going to be you know they got to figure out what smart status is going forward i think that's a ginormous question they got to figure out who's worth continuing to grow here on the bench and who should be filled out with veterans in those positions because you know we talk about how udoki is going to handle the stars here...
he obviously has a big task too in terms of developing rob developing romeo there's still kind of that half and half aspect of this roster where you know you got three guys ready to go here but you also have a whole bench last year that we saw it just isn't there yet and then they're gonna have to make decisions on a bunch of other roster spots as well here and you know couldn't you possibly add to this group who's the right guys to add to this group is is tristan part of the fold here i still tend to think no but that's an outstanding decision they have to make so all those things matter much more to this upcoming team and that falls on brad obviously he's done well so far as we've seen but there's still a lot of work to do here and all that stuff is going to matter a lot more than what email brings to the table as a coach you got to have some stuff to work with here i don't disagree with any of that i will say it is interesting um i um just following comments in twitter um at uh does anybody has have you seen negatives yet i haven't really seen anybody strongly against it's very rare when you make a decision um you know like a basketball decision like this and uh have such universal uh praise for it uh we we we've been talking about it for 20 something minutes we're going to welcome in insider i uh the following comments and twitter hey rod i think you got our uh does anybody i do you're playing us you're...
playing he was locked in i am so locked in you can do all the hoping you want but yeah i'll give you a second to pull yourself together but gerard's here we're going to get his take as well i've muted him give me a thumbs up when you figure out where that sounds coming from and whack it somebody just said nobody here was negative yeah i got like 17 tabs open right now then i see belgium is he good is he good yeah he looks like he's good can i let him back in the room yeah he's got the burn man handshake and we've kicked it around for 20 plus minutes right now it seems that the um uh the uh the vibe is overwhelmingly positive uh you tell us your take uh and any insights you have into uh

udoka

as a coach and what kind of coach you think he's going to be here well i think the biggest thing that he comes in with which is unusual for assistant coaches is that i'm just kidding see joseph i was going to step away from me alone first and last mention of me alone go ahead let's make it happen okay no but uh the fact that he comes from the pop of its tree i i think that cannot be un that can't be overstated enough that how important it is to have someone that's coming into the organization who doesn't just have a feel for winning but it's basically i mean he was at the foot of the grand poobah of the coaching tree the coaching forest when you think about popovich and what he's meant and to me and bobby i heard you mentioned...
earlier about you know he hasn't really had the kind of a luscious career that chauncey phillips has you know what when you look at where the

celtics

are at they're gonna need someone who understands how to get the most out of those guys those late first early second round free agent type guys guys that frankly he can relate to because he was one of them and the other thing too is that you know he has a he has a very good reputation throughout the league with players when you look at san antonio one of the biggest pickups that they have from a free agency standpoint was the marcus aldridge you go back and look at who was key to that

udoka

was when they were together in portland so he understands the game about how you've got to be able to be you've got to connect with the players but the point that john made earlier and i thought it was a good one we don't know how he's going to be able to handle moving six inches over now we don't know how that's going to play out but the key for him i think is putting together a staff that will complement whatever he understands our areas that he needs he needs supported have you met him sherrod yeah yeah we've talked a few times what do you got what do you think of him i i think he's a good guy i think he's he'll be a good coach i think the jury is still out on how good a coach he will be but there's no question from knowing the game standpoint he checks that box off having the experience...
of being in a winning environment a championship caliber environment checks off that box as well but for me at this point the key for him is get putting the right staff together that's going to complement him and then the other thing too and you guys talked about it earlier the fact that your two best players have already signed off on this being someone they want it makes a difference yep i i think that's a huge difference i think that's one of the things if you want to start breaking down you know some of the things that brad stevens has just absolutely aced in his short time as the gm as the president of basketball ops that has to be near the top of the list and that is making sure your major decisions involve your major players they don't have to make the decision but keep them in the loop as of what the hell you're going to do okay time for one of my analogies okay oh shoot here we go another break up it's i i'm gonna put you on the screen that's what i want to know no i'm putting you on the spot a little bit sharon okay now we asked you you were just asked what kind of coach he's going to be and you said the following things you said uh he's a good guy and then you said he knows the game of basketball that's the what do you think of my friend equivalent of she's nice okay that's what you just gave okay that's you did not keep a glowing over the top this guy's a super star up and calmer rising i don't...
think i'm just saying if i if if i was going only by what you just said i'd be like oh i was like that was kind of lukewarm praise so i'm i'm going to circle back to it yes it was it was a little lukewarm did you me the reason the reason it was lukewarm john is because i just think that there are a lot of unknowns about him that i'm not trying to put him on a pedestal the way we did his predecessor oh yeah he deserve that's good that's good he deserves a blank slate to come in here and establish who he is because we don't know how good a head coach he's going to be but we do know that he comes from a good pedigree we know that he's been in the league we know that the team's best players are all in on this guy yeah but we really don't to me like i said i i hate to sound like a broken record about this but who he puts together for his staff is going to be critical to his success because this isn't like hiring mike antoni who you know no matter who the staff the head coach is going to be that that guy or tom typical staff where you know he's going to be that guy

udoka

is going to need to have a village around him that's going to fill in whatever gaps that he's going to have as a first year head coach because there will be gaps it's inevitable but from what i know about him and just in the times that i've communicated with him i think he'll be fine but again he needs to surprise himself with the right...
types of assistant coaches in order to be successful yeah and you know and you and you didn't just mention the um the popovich tree which again in in like football circles obviously like the belichick tree some of those guys are successful some of them are not it is hard you know to get to go out there and to you know to do it and not only that some people who've gone out there and tried to emulate bill belichick like mcdaniels or charlie weiss or these you know ideas bill o'brien you can't be that there's only one but what i like the most about it is i don't believe he's in the greg popovich style of coach i think he had a different style than greg popovich in terms of his overall approach to dealing with players and i like the fact that greg popovich glowingly signs off on him because greg popovich doesn't say nice things about anybody well he does but you know what he's not a guy who's who's going to just toss around praise just because he feels like it he's i think if he says it he means it and you certainly want among all not just having coached under him but among all of the endorsements i like the best is the fact that popovich really really really believes in his guy and again you're gonna have a loyalty to your old assistants and you want to see them get ahead but you can also say nothing and i think he really believes in this guy as a head coach which i think is uh is uh is a good thing and as we said we have the...
uh player uh endorsements as well i am i really do want to see them come out publicly hopefully when this is official and say some nice things in here because that's going to make

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fans feel a little bit better um but i i assume that they will i assume that they're gonna like this move um i'll ask you this sherrod do you think he was their first choice or do you think they read the tea leaves on chauncey and thought um we're not gonna get this guy so let's just make this move now that's a great question john i i've been you know texting around trying to get a sense of that and haven't heard anything definitively on that um but i i get the feeling that this was their guy i mean if chauncey was the guy that they wanted they would have offered offered him to him and if they did offer to him and he said i don't know well then they immediately move on and i i i think the fact that this this falls in line with what brad has already started off doing and that is making decisive decisions and moving on to the next next thing to do you look at the trade for al that came about ridiculously quick you look at bringing in in

udoka

again another fairly quick move when you think about it um and it makes sense i mean i i guess i would feel a little bit differently if like for example everyone knows chauncey was a guy that i would have loved have been here but when you look at you look at

udoka

's body of work and you look at chauncey's you...
can make a legitimate case a very strong case that

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has a stronger body of work and is the more qualified candidate uh and i have no problems with that but again just like if chauncey were

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d and he was going to be who he surrounded himself with the same thing holds true for

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you know it's interesting too because danny moved the complete opposite right at least in my opinion right it seemed like everything was he took his time with almost everything whether it was free agents whether it was making the right trade we could wait till the offseason we're into casting those assets i'm sure a lot of stuff this fans have an opinion about that that he may have waited way too long in some cases whereas brad has been the complete opposite i don't know just something to think about something to uh something i've noticed so far because uh you know it's just the complete opposite compared to danny and for someone who's been working underneath danny for what seven years it's interesting to see how he's deciding how he's going to do things you look at a coach like imeidoka coming into a situation where he was under papa vagina for a long time went to brooklyn had a couple of other situations which is a good thing you know comparing contrast also i don't think he's the kind of coach that's thinking he has to be pop of i think the the advantage of being in that situation for so long and other situations is that you're able...
to take all that and create your own style and you know i i feel very confident or at least i should say uh comfortable with this hiring with with with guys like tatum and brown signing off on it but also the fact that these all three of these guys including marcus smart as well you put that put them in there as well um they all have a bit of a history with team usa what does that say because it is interesting that that came out through the

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s now that smart gives us the sale of approval too i didn't necessarily go into this offseason thinking that smart was and i felt this way at the deadline too part of their future and i know obviously you want to make it feel that way yeah you want to make them feel that way now and they can ultimately change you're smart you don't want to go you're like hey i like this guy too let's do it let's go you know i'm just interested how they view him ultimately because he sends that text yo i heard uh they might get

udoka

is that true they're like uh we knew about that a week ago bro this is this is such a critical time with him because whether they extend them where they decide to bring them in the next year on an expiring contract which i think could be really tricky or they decide to make a significant move here to move on from them all three of those paths are tough to cause i don't need to completely circle back to smart and like you know do this all over again but over the last 48 hours i am...
totally lost about what this what the organization thinks of him what the teammates think of him what his place is here whether or not he's a he's a so brad he's the net positive or negative i'm all over the map on it i i really don't know anymore don't really

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john don't listen to those

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s it's not the

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s who are looped a brad said i consulted jaylen and jason he didn't say marcus no no i talk about the marcus

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s that the the the negative marcus

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s about him you know i don't want you to think that that brad is smart or not that was brad and kemba rather but you know just the overall vibe in the locker room was often that like he's on the wrong side of the that's what i'm wondering what side of things he's on i feel like you think that's all yeah he's on the wrong side of it but it has to do with those

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s does it or you just yeah you know just listening to i just through our conversations it's a developing opinion as i like to say i just as time moves on i'm trying to figure out where i land on this because i've i you know i've always you know i don't bat stuff around usually i've got kind of a i'm really all over the place on marcus right now it's interesting i gotta tell you guys another thing you know through the course of the season the most popular name that we would see in the chat was was grant williams which was freaking hilarious you know...
who's you know who's number one name in our chat the last couple times we've been out here robert williams no cornell what's your favorite what's your favorite side dish on thanksgiving mashed potatoes yam yamada yam madar is freaking blowing up the chat he's everywhere he'll be on the team next year unreal people are convinced yam is the savior yeah shut up shout out for uh all yam needs to do is be better than sammy be better than people are answering real the answer is stuffing but uh obviously no it's mashed potatoes no stuffing is the king not only stuffing the the best side dishes on thanksgiving are your first stuffing then your second stuffing then the third stuffing and then everything else after that okay if you're entering thanksgiving with fewer than than three stuffings you're doing it wrong anyway um i was getting i was getting yam tweets a long time ago but yeah very excited about two different stuff that's true that's a good point yes you need two different stuffies if not three different if there's two yeah different versions of the same side that's the best side yeah uh but yam people are all over that it's cracking me up here this is like he's kind of got taken on that gershon yeah buselly you know bobby mentioned him and i think that's how the chat got all excited if i'm not mistaken i don't know no people are tweeting him me about him like before i would even pick up on him like a...
guy on draft night we were walking off and i was like oh they got yam too and john was like good night thanks for coming out all right we have the bobby was like yes you know he's like he's texting me we could go another hour on yam alone i was like i'm off that number no he's young thank god it wasn't long like 20 years old really young guy yeah he needs something he needs some development but again if you want to bring him in here on that two-way deal next year it's nice to have a guy closer here than playing out in the israeli league again they've they kept gershon out in china for too long and that was a problem there was a reason why he was out in china and it wasn't because if you're interested in uh in some spanish league basketball next year garshan vincent poglier they're teaming up on real madrid next year that's going to be a front porch to watch rather than left him out there too long the question is whether they ever should have brought him back brought him period the the the legend of gershon yabuselli would have

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d on uh forever they just never brought him back you know we're dancing here the french draymond's green that is funny because yeah some teams do do that they have those guys this guy sergio has been like a rocket stash guy for like a decade in madrid and like their fans are still like oh maybe he'll come one day yeah to be their head coach yeah those that i mean i always i always have an...
appreciation for people like that you know because there's always there's a couple of those guys i give them their props talking about a a kid a 16 year old kid named luca donches years ago so i'm not saying that's the case with these guys but i will applaud those people for keeping tabs but you know some of these guys i know but those guys these guys that's not it those guys go in the first round though yam was like what 47 dragon badger also goes yeah that's true though like that the guys who were no i had to bring up vinder you know it's like nicole whatever it was skeetish veli you know like you've got a lot of guys who come in you're like oh whoops you know like don't forget about darko yeah darko i guess i guess for a second round two so it is a bit of a mixed bag former did he was he here for 48 hours 24 hours it was like the shortest stint oh my god yeah um so anyway we're all good moving off of this stuff this is good um it's a good thing we're looking again hopefully to uh you know get some player reaction we want to hear from the team on this coach as well but what's the next what are we looking at next order of business here is again it's obviously you have you know i think most of any other moves are probably going to be done after the draft at this point i would think um i mean do you see another big move coming anybody see anything big happening here prior to uh i don't think they're dependent...
on the draft because they don't have a pick they're not but i mean the whole idea of you're going to make a move and you want to trade another first round pick you have to wait until after so you're gonna are you gonna keep making moves now are you gonna wait until the new league year and then you start doing stuff there um you know after after everything is uh complete i'm not entirely sure a lot a lot of their stuff's gonna be trade dependent but most of that stuff will obviously include a pick like throwing that tp although that tp does have to be filled before the year we uh the league year ends because it expires at that point so that's something we could see done before the draft um other than that you're looking at tristan what's going to happen with him and that big man front court as a whole and then a big smart decision at some point are they going to extend them are they going to extend rob those are the things no i mean you don't have to trade them you could extend them and then if you don't do any of those things like i think it's a weird setup next year like everyone's going to be like oh it's smart sticking around the smart part of this is not going to get traded there's just going to be so much chatter all year i don't think he's i don't think he's off limits but i just don't think he's a must trade guy no i don't either i think you make the right deal for him and if not...
you keep him around but it does get complicated in that room like you know there's a guy who want to get paid four years ago and now he's still not getting that respect that money that kind of treatment that he thinks he deserves like i think that's with all the stuff we've read about now too just in terms of him in the room it gets really complicated there when they're trying to mend those fences in a very you know frankly dysfunctional room from what it sounds like yeah this is i need charade to uncover the truth here so um i'm not your editor i can't assign you but i think that this is this one's got you written all over it here's a guy yeah no i mean little he'll get it he doesn't have it yet but he'll get it oh i thought you're saying it okay yeah he'll get it um because it is interesting you really want to see i i am really interested with where things go again it's it's interesting with me with the smart thing how many people have um not only have moved to the opinion of you got to get rid of him now like he doesn't he doesn't no that's not how i feel i'm like i'm getting a lot i'm getting that from a lot of places you're getting that too i'm surprised on that train too no and you know what me and me and john kind of flipped on this it's very interesting because john has been saying forever what about this guy this guy doesn't have value not going to get anything for...
him and then i mentioned i mentioned a kyle lowry trade and you're like you're going to trade smartphones why would you do that you said you were throwing a lot into that trade what i said was you're doing a lot that night because i want to make it happen you're putting a lot of eggs into the basket of a 35 year old player that was more the issue not that there's so this is where you and i and that's the problem yeah the fact that you're i mean you're you're trying to put in new money for an old you know machine i thought that's what they need again you need that if you're like on the cusp of right if you're there bobby you keep trying to make moves for like now like fournier was a great move for a team that was close and had everything except for wing depth the

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had you know a thousand problems and fournier wasn't fixing anything in any real sort of way i feel that way with lowry too i love lowry which is to say if if somebody left lowry out on the court out on the curb you know and said hey you know sent out an email to the neighborhood who wants a kyle lowry i'd rather be run out my door he'd be like oh my god this guy's perfect but if someone puts it on ebay perfect and a bidding war starts like i don't know that you want to get into a bidding war well there's a reason you wanted to be the toronto raptors doing the guy is solid okay look we see where you are your stage your career we're...
clearly hitting the reset button here let's put you in a situation where you can win and succeed and obviously we want some assets as well you know so forget rob first or maybe a young guy and you know obviously tristan thompson so throw rob out of it because i i understand why you guys don't want to move him if it's just smart thompson and a future protected ferris you wouldn't do that it's tempting i think about it i think that would be a slam dunk especially when you're moving on that deal too i'm going to assumption that the

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are have no interest of bringing marcus back well obviously but i'm saying like money wise like you're trying to make this thing work but i just don't like i just think larry's so much better than smart yeah he's also eight years older i mean seven years older that's you gotta factor it in you know like it all depends like money matters here you don't want to get it raised but you do you do have a chance here flowery really changes that room brings the passing that you need uh you know much better shooter a guy who can threaten to score off the dribbles all these things yeah you have you have a bit you know not like a brooklyn big three but you kind of have like a phoenix big three here and we see what the power of that would be the thing yeah those big threes that that you talk about it and when those teams come together you know why they come together because they want to play together...
they want to play together well larry we have to want to play i want to be here oh well that's not good why would he want to be here what's that's a win chance to win you think he's got a significantly greater chance to win here than all listen you know how i feel about miami he could go to miami i just i'm just not seeing it new york i'm thinking l.a new york i mean let's see this is the thing i'm thinking about new york l.a all these cities those are the cities that the

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when guys have options they kind of choose those options more times than that but i'm not going to sell them on top of that list i do think the lakers one would be interesting because they could flip schroeder for him and that probably appeals yeah lakers i think is he that would be the top of his list you know yeah i just can't i can't i can't even embrace the concept of him ever being a celtic i don't think he wants it i don't think they have anything of value to give up in a sign in trade i think he has choice in the matter here is that the

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like again the brats are doing them solid like look here whatever stuff whatever you want is fine you know like that kind of deal and obviously i wouldn't be a market smart but yeah sorry go ahead john no that's it i i just don't see it as plausible for all from all sides it's one of those like i want that player but there's no path to getting him and i think lowry kind of fits...
there is because he would be a great fit i mean absolutely great he'd be a great fit but chris paul would be a great fit yeah i mean lebron a lot of guys that would be a great voter yeah goodman jumping on me no i i'm not gonna close on a different way goodman co-signing this today was exciting to me because i know that's why he got yeah when when somebody agrees with bobby he does get really excited no i mean goodman goodman's been right about just about everything this off season like he's he's on a roll here i don't like his bo brown that's where we're that's where we're always gonna butt heads i would do that in a million years no that's his greatest hit you go to see the jeff goodman show you want him to play the hits so so yeah so that's definitely one of those things interesting that means that you you're buying that you're buying that car you know what i mean you're buying that album that's cd like i said i think we have a point guard thing so like if you're keeping smart and you're largely just rolling it forward here you gotta really be confident smart can play that point guard spot all year they need something this is a really important one like i said i'm willing to give up a lot to get the guy you absolutely know you like i'm not willing to so again the the the trade a whole bunch of stuff guy is lonzo if it's doable i'm not sure if it is the see if you can sign him and...
squeeze him in uh is din witty you know and then you start to go below those guys and see well here's here's where the bargain basement sort of picks you know but could you convince someone like dinwiddie to say come here you have no con there's no competition for you you're my starting guy you're the point guard you get to play with these guys i just think there's too much too many teams going to be interested in them to pay big money for him too maybe he's going to be thinking about it oh i'm going to be a third option you know maybe that means a lot to him maybe it doesn't it's hard to say i think you i think you remove some pressure when you go somewhere and you don't have to be the primary guy um but i don't know maybe i'm wrong maybe but if you're like if you're more of a seasoned vet though right i mean this guy this guy's got a cash out he's got yeah one heck of a demo reel if you will you know for for for potential you know max money suitors i don't know i i just think he's gonna be one of those guys just out of the

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range yeah oh there goes john john's gone see lonzo that's different robert marcus some picks i still don't get it done right rod would it i don't think so it's not what i don't think so look that's listen you're talking about you know trying to move into the suburbs lonzo is like top of the the you know the the that high-rise yeah you just...
don't have the capital to get that that high-rise real estate yeah i also for the money he's gonna make as you mentioned this rod i just i still don't know if he because that's your big three and that's why i'm against ben simmons too people tossing around that idea like that's not a flyer that's not all let's just see how it goes that's all right we're walking in on this guy is the third big three there's no guardian that's a nosedive yeah that's the it's tatum brown and simmons tatum brown and ball for the next four years so that's that's why that one's a little more tricky but at some point you do have to make a decision there who's going to be that third guy the interesting thing here and this is something to really watch this off season brad keeps talking about flexibility you know and that uh the math panned out that in this horford trade if you jump out of that contract next year the partially guaranteed one you do open up a max slot next off season and the only way that you can maintain that is keeping smart on that expiring deal not extending rub letting fournier go for nothing you need to bite some bullets this uh this offseason i make this a bit of a bridge year to maintain that cap space that's gonna be really interesting because i think it's tough to bite that bullet this year but if you really think someone would come next off season and you want to have that space open you do...
have to do all those things to maintain it that's going to be a really tough decision for them this summer well if i'm not mistaken robert's going to qualify an offer for 10 million next year right yeah they could bring him that one they're restricted so you don't have to you don't you're not under the pressure to having to resign him on top of trying to chase down a top tier free agent so right yeah i mean that's uh yeah again next summer is the year especially now that you all happened a while ago but you know they traded off kemba you're putting you're positioning yourself nicely you could go after beal you could if he wants to come no we don't have you john no it's still i still we still don't got you joe no john no john see beale the beatle my mind is jalen says f this i'm out get me out of here like i i just think that's the that's a good point i think that's the path to bradley and you and and you can fill us in a little bit on this like is there would there be enough interest there to warrant i don't want to say throwing out a year because they could still be competitive this year like they were last year to some degree before all the nonsense hit at the end but you're really not putting yourself in the best position to win this year if you're kicking the can down the next summer no i mean and that's really the dilemma that they are going to run into i mean what's the smartest path...
do we make moves now for the moment or do we start building it to create avenues for growth in the future this is where did this is where brad's going to earn his money this is where he's going to have the potential to have a franchise altering impact similar to what danny did back in 2007 when he went out and got ray allen and he got kevin garnett and then next thing you know they literally went from worst to first uh in in the nba the

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aren't nearly in as just you know destitute as that team was at 07 squad but it's not like they rolling with the big dogs either i mean they they're kind of in that middle they're like in that that middle class of the nba which is not where you want to be you're either going to be back of the line or the front of the line in the middle is not where you want to be and that's kind of where they are right now yeah and that is that age approach is how you win it all yeah you just save all that flexibility for the biggest talent you put all that talent together and you figure it out and that's what brooklyn did here that's what golden state did that's really the only way to win in this league like you can have one off runs like phoenix is doing here and who knows phoenix might even be better than we can imagine with those core two there um but for the most part you get you compile the biggest stars and you make that run so that's the argument for going all in on a bo free agency or whoever...
else it would be over the next year or two it's just you you really siphon a lot of players assets whatever you want to call it in the process there like fournier's gonna walk for nothing all of a sudden that hayward deal that you made is just poof gone um you know you're probably gonna lose smart in that process for nothing you're probably gonna lose rob eventually if you're going in that path so like it's a risk but what else are you gonna do here like you know like people blast ange for the kyrie thing now it's like oh could you have just kept roger and that young core i don't think it's certain that that young core grows into a championship team you gotta like go really go after the biggest free agents the biggest trade targets put the best team possible together and it just didn't work out it could have been a different world no i i'm never going to question that deal i mean i i think you do that deal 100 times out of 100. you got a chance to get a perennial all-star who has more than one year left on his deal and in exchange you're giving up a wing who you've already you've got somebody coming in to replace jake crowder you give up a point guard and you're getting a better point guard in the deal what what what am i missing here how is this bad i mean on paper i mean obviously it didn't work out but we're all working everyone is working with hindsight high school never fails never lose right right and...
that moment it made absolute perfect sense and you got in the connection his dad used to play boss i mean it i can't he's all about his work many made some decisions that i did not agree with this was not one of them no yeah i don't know how you can i'm with you i'm with you too if anything i give danny props for having the stones to do it you know uh to this day some people would say that some players that still doesn't sit right with them that he did that you know given what isaiah thomas went through that year but that's danny right i mean danny's gonna do whatever it takes i i used to say uh daniel will trade his mom if it means makes the

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better like he's just that kind of ruthless approach so you know what i'll even do you want better i mean some people who sometimes fans want to go back into time and and say you know what something should just be up on terry rozier and they should have never traded for kimball walker like how do you not do that deal if you're yeah i agree on that one to replace one all-star point guard with another another like no pm's going to going to go the other route no gm's going to say you know what i'm going to give the young guy some run here at that time who obviously wasn't even one of their top uh you know young younger players in comparison to jalen and tatum so the only reason i would disagree with that joe sway is if they looked at his medical and said this isn't...
great but we'll deal with it we'll we'll take the risk it's kemba maybe it'll work out because again the risk and let's face it he didn't have the greatest attitude throughout that year right i mean and rightfully so terry rozier took a lot you know he had to take a lot of a cut in his playing time and and his touches some games it seemed like he played six seven minutes and you could see in the locker room how frustrated he was some night so i don't know i just think you take all that together and you think about what kemba was throughout the course of his career before he came to boston uh perennial all-star the kind of player he was the reputation he had you compare it to what the

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went through with their point guard and kyrie irving it was just a no-brainer it was almost like the fixer was going to come in and sort of help things from the locker rooms perspective and on the floor man those first couple of months of his tenure in boston kevin walker was it just seemed like a perfect it was a match i i agree with that but organization now that we know what we know about the knee it was a i don't know like we'll never know sherrod like we don't have the medicals we don't know what age is looking at with no it's like maybe it's just bad luck it's like having that flawless honda right after you hit that you know hundred fifty thousand mile mark man this thing had nice but then he got off the dealership and the...
tires went flat you need a new one with the oil man this car is this car is never going to break down and then it breaks down and then it breaks down again and again and again like three miles from the line one thing after another it's something different it's just what happened with kambo yeah but the thing with kemba was that typically when guys have the kind of season he have in terms of injuries there's a clear pattern before you bring them into your your family your team kimball was mr iron man in charlotte i mean he played big minutes didn't miss games did all the things that made you feel as though when he gets to boston he's going to be good because he's been good everywhere but in the back of your mind you're thinking yup this this this honda accord it's got a lot of miles on it it looks good it looks like it runs pretty good but at some point you know in the back of your mind it's going to break down because there's a lot of models between 150 and 200 000 right let's face it 28 29 yeah for guards that's a little up there but he's still underneath 30 right at the time right and you're thinking okay well let's be realistic this is going to be a five-year window but i think the stuff that we're looking at is three years of consistent you know uh production offensive production someone that they could rely on at that point guard spot but then one one half season into it things started to you know go south...
yeah and and it never got better and i think that's the thing that's that's really frustrating was that they went to painstaking links to help kimba be physically ready for the games that matter which of the playoffs and it didn't work it just didn't work whether and the reasons we will never know fully what the reasons were whether you know kevin didn't take the you know his rehab as serious as he needed to or whether he just he did that but just the basketball gods had other plans for him we're never going to know but bottom line is kimber didn't get it done i mean at the end of the day he didn't get it done and that's why he's not here anymore because if he if if he were having those issues but when he was really healthy he was playing at an elite high level consistently he'd still be here what was happening he was having he'd come back and he played great then he'd have a couple games not so great then he played great it was all over the map you can't have one of your big three giving you that you know that up and down game that doesn't work you're not winning you're not born literally his season was i thought symbolic of their season they were a 500 team good bad about the same that's kind of how kimball was yeah but that stretch in april man talk about a tease what was that six games averaging 32 you know points and and and scoring at a high rate what was it 50 shooting over 50 percent it was...
knocking down threes you know like it was just this it seemed like the

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had planned it out perfectly for him to go into the postseason and ride that but they just just crashed the car crashed it was a wrap now question is fraud it's not total loss though is it like what's next for kemba i don't think i don't know these features in oklahoma city but if they end up flipping him what's the destination you think that uh he ends up going i think he'll wind up in new york i i think it it just makes so much sense for where he's at what that team needs and you know all you got to do to get somebody out of okc is dangle a first-round pick for real i mean that's that's literally all you need we'll get this right half eaten ham sandwich that's been on the floor for seven months and a first round pick we got a deal you got a deal it's like danny in 2014. man just flipping picks just anything for a pig yeah so i i i think kimmel will wind up in new york um i i and i think he'll do well there because the level of expectations for them is different than it is in boston in a lot of cities they gotta get to the playoffs again get to the playoffs get to the second round maybe season success he's gonna be repping bx you know how he is what if he if he does that that's gonna be that'll be great for him that'd be a great story yeah does have a happy ending because he is a good dude uh you want to see him do well but bottom...
line he just didn't get it done when he was in boston point blank i would just love to see him compete you know on a high level you know just a deep playoff run whichever situation is maybe it is new york you know something like that because i i just you know the the talent and what he's been through it's just a tough it's a tough break it's a tough break but it's one that had to happen between and the

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that oklahoma thinks that now obviously they lost the lottery last night probably rightfully so how they've handled it yes and pistons yeah detroit but you know they did it's almost like carmen in a lot of ways the way this stuff shakes out i know houston kept their pick they probably didn't deserve from a karma perspective but detroit did a lot of good things the last year so to redeem themselves go young find some nice projects to roll with going forward like jeremy grant and build a bit of a relevant identity don't forget about stuart yep story former syracuse commit didn't end up coming that's becoming like a story now around that i wasn't going to bring that up well you know what didn't happen dior johnson committed oregon the other day and i'm just like oh here we go again but anyway al horford is going to be introduced by the

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tomorrow word on that just came down so we'll have another presser tomorrow uh reintroduced the way this offseason is going it's feeling like we're gonna have...
two shows a week with how much news there is so keep it tuned here subscribe to the podcast version um real quick to ride before we go i didn't get you a weigh-in on this as far as

udoka

's staff goes what do you think we're going to see some of his guys or some of these

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guys saying i think you'll see a mix of the two i i don't and i think for some of the

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guys they may be moved from the bench to maybe scouting role uh i wouldn't be surprised if that happens but i i don't think i don't think

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is going to come in here and just absolutely you know gut everyone uh and i think that may have been something that him and brad had a conversation about before he took the job uh how does he plan to proceed in that regard i don't think there was any type of mandate where brad said you must keep this one and this one and this one but i would be very surprised if you didn't see at least one or two assistant coaches stick around yeah that's overall how i feel about this higher bit of a compromise it's brad's style it's a different player and to some degree you're going to still see brad's imprint on this team just in terms of how they play and how they approach things and goku is going to be a guy who hopefully can manage the personalities a little bit differently and bring some new perspective into that room so overall i'm a fan joe suey gave it the seal of approval gerard gonna see how it goes yeah...
i'm gonna see how it goes i mean i i just it's it's hard for me to get really really really pumped up about

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only because everything on paper makes me feel like these will be pretty good but there's something on me in the back that's just like he's got to have it's got to be the right situation right scenario right people around him in order for him i think be really great because there are very few coaches who as assistants establish a certain style about them that you know when they become a head coach that's going to be how they work we saw that with thibodeaux we knew he was going to be a defensive taskmaster when he got a chance to run his own team

udoka

he understands the game he's a former player i think he'll do a good job but he hasn't shown enough as an assistant to where you have a sense of what he's going to be like as a head coach so the jury to me is still out on him but i'm optimistic that he's going to do well um but by no means am i sold on him all right so we'll do a uh we'll do a

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green room at some point this week stay tuned for that for now email

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new coach of the

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for sure for john who just dipped out of here i don't know where he went but oh real quick can we talk about jay williams for like a minute i thought you're gonna say real quick can we talk about nia long for a minute that's what i thought that can't be a minute man that's going to take a...
while to run how does that happen come on boston can't win come on man let's let's keep it 100 man you know how that happens you know that happens because people forget okay when kyrie irving was saying all that you know talking about the the city of boston and racism all that he just conveniently loves to leave out the history of what red auerbach means to this league what bill russell meant to this league you know what the city of boston what or at least the organization meant to this to the game of basketball you know and then here comes jay williams oh look at this others they got diverse oh oh the first black head coach come on man that's free that's embarrassing we're not talking about like bill russell we're not talking about sash we're not going to talk about we're talking about top rivers dude you see that dude damn near every damn week when you've been on your job this is this is the issue though josue this is what it bugs me that people excuse me the people outside of this area have this this this fixation with conflating the boston

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in their history with the city of boston they are not the same thank you i knew you feel me on this one because obviously you know you grew up in this city and you you know the vibes you don't have people yeah long enough to know to differentiate you know obviously and to also feel passionate about it i have this conversation i have this conversation at least once a month with somebody...
having to put them in check that the organization the city are not the same they're not the same and if you take a nanosecond to actually get your ass out yo get your head out your ass and actually do some research you will see that the

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as an organization have been at the they've been trailblazers in almost every significant moment historically in terms of race relations in terms of diversity that's why you know the fact that they're hiring him it's a little surprising that they're not hiring like you know a becky hammond or something like that uh to continue that that that long history of being the first what for for him to come out of his mouth with with that it's ridiculous man come on jay google is your friend okay he's your friend hit up google next time you uh if you need a book jay i got you i can i'll put you on to the

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history we'll have a whole discussion about it i grew up here let's do it let's make a day out of it that just goes back to like some people where some people were feeling some type of way about the fact that it seemed to be set in stone if the

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were gonna

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a black coach this sentiment the fact that jay williams is gonna sit there and be like oh black guy's coaching the

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that's that's new like that's still what they're fighting against because to some degree obviously we say this is like insane how do you forget eight years ago doc's here at the...
same time how are you doing that man want to give you it wasn't like this was some coach that just happened to come through town and and if you look at his career perspective doc is the 10th winningest coach of all time wait talking about some dude that just got a couple w's and rolled through town get out of here you talk about bill russell who's one of the all-time greats who's going into the hall as a what's the other position besides player and this is the sentiment they're playing against this is why it is great to have another hopefully prominent successful black voice at the head of this organization see joe sweat i see i was i wasn't even going to go down here because i know it pisses me off thanks joe sway energy okay because i yo we needed this okay we need to get this off our chest man because honestly bro but you know what's good josue this is gonna wrap up i was like wait a minute hold on we gotta yeah this is a strength though like when kyrie said that stuff it was like who's who's gonna answer that in the

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organization it's like is brad gonna say something we we know what danny said it was like oh who's who's going to be the voice of the

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on this issue and there was really you know brown came out and said what he said but in terms of a management position there wasn't anybody in there so you know there's been people there before but now there wasn't and now there is again which is...
great and you know some people are feeling some type of way about the fact that it was like almost mandated that a black coach had to be at the head of this team but in the end you're still looking at someone who paid their dues was probably overdue which is the real conversation here and you know this is what you wrote about gerard a couple weeks ago the fact that this is an 80 black league and there's only seven head black coaches now eight unfortunately yeah but then right now we're down to the final four in the nba and three three out of four no i guess jalen got to update that tweet okay one last thing before i head out of here new years ago i just remembered this right now and i'm so glad he did this shout out to my co-host my guy my friend cedric maxwell man the city of boston for black history month was going to honor red our back and there was this huge outrage shout out to uh cedric maxwell for speaking out and saying listen okay what red auerbach did for the nba for blacks in the nba come on gerard if red auberg doesn't make bill russell the head coach you think there's going to be a head coach any time soon if he doesn't go out and put it and start five starting black players for the first time i mean like i just again the history behind the nba and what the

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the organization have meant to it compared to the city of boston and what it meant to america are two very different things i don't know and what would always get to me...
and and folks just don't understand this is that red what he did wasn't popular it wasn't embraced by his community he went against the grain right and and he and he didn't flinch he said white black at play i want him on this team i want to win one thing to take that stance when you are in an environment where that's where it's conducive to making those type of social you know societal changes but that just wasn't where boston was at that point in history and red still did not let that sway his decision to step out to do what no one else in the nba was doing to listen to other owners tell him red i don't know if you should do that red's like i don't give a f what you think i don't care i'm doing what i do i don't care whether he's red green yellow trail that's my guy that's right and all the other organizations they started to do the exact same thing but yeah and they realized damn they he really can't play well maybe we should get some players like that you think yeah you can see this jose you get me all riled up man i'm ready to beat somebody ass right now joe swift i've been been just having a nice peaceful laid back melissa how you got me all fired up yeah you're telling me sure i thought people were joking because bobby mentioned it in the group text and then before we go on i'll tell you he actually tweeted that fast i found someone yeah someone you know i saw these fans are someone...
screenshotted it i saw once i saw it with my own two eyes i said okay i gotta talk about this this is being addressed so well that didn't take that didn't take a double take to be like what like this guy just comes out and it's like i'm crazy the first black boston

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coach and it's like huh that doesn't even take it didn't take me long to find it first time you read that you're like huh all right jay williams you'll have to you'll have to talk about that on tv tomorrow in the worst way just the fact that you work at espn and you don't know that but anyway bobby manning josue pavone ace rod blakely we'll be back the way this off season is gone maybe sometime this week who knows but imei odoka is the new

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coach we'll talk to you soon we're out