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I'm so sorry that the British media of which I am a part has let down Nick and let down Chris an Alistar a Mike and Adam and grant and Paul and Jason and Stevie and James and everybody else that we're going to talk to between now and one o'clock who have been sitting in what is supposed to be a functioning democracy with a free and transparent media and they have been sitting there watching their livelihoods watching the clock ticking on their companies and on their family's
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financial security while utter robbers like Liam Fox March around the country claiming to know what they're talking about while fraudsters and charlatans spins and shysters like Jacob Riis Morgan David Davis and Boris Johnson and the Dean Tories and all the rest of them pretty blue tail and Steve Baker and whoever it may be a sitting in studios insisting that everything's going to be fine and no deal is better than a bad deal and people like and yes I am angry and people like Nick though
I think gets under my skin a little bit because his accent makes me homesick people like that are watching this happen and they think it's our job it's the job of the politicians it's the job of the the press it's the job of the media it's not their job to do this his job is to get industrial heating equipment over from Germany and installed on British construction sites by teatime our job is supposed to be to look after the people to tell the people what is going on to keep
the message clear and inarguable and what have we done what have we done we've put the hecklers on stage we've let the clowns take over we've given the liars the prominence and it's still happening because the nastiest offenders of all are the ones with the most power in the media the owners and the editors of the Daily Mail and the Sun and the Express and the Telegraph's still blithely bloviating about No Deal when it is going to screw people over on a scale this country has
never seen in peacetime and do you know the one I still can't quite get my head around it's optional it's a choice it's voluntary yeah nice sweet clear no yeah I'm just I'm just concerned that you're talking about a global elite but you seem to be far off oh really oh that's nice thank you you and Tony Blair a PI are the same coin you start off with each side so you know let's get your looks to trump Rodney Rodney tell me what my links are the puzan go on
please wait yeah you are you are you are on LBC you've got the chance to expose me to the nation in terms of you go sir I don't have the wherewithal to find a link so so how dare you how dare you how dare you come on the radio and accuse me of that if you've got no evidence to back it up how dare you they will come out eventually you will be who do you think you are to go around making accusations like that that are based on nothing at all I'm sorry that really that really is
utterly ludicrous isn't it and let me tell you something unlike Tony Blair I spent 20 years working in the private sector I had a proper job before getting into politics there are no comparisons Rodney but in me and Blair at all I don't what people call me but to call me part of the global elite is frankly ludicrous how much did you spend on your lunch today how much did you spend on your lunch today Rodney did you eat it Rodney I'm not having lunch today I had exit bacon for
breakfast and I won't be eating for another 12 hours because I'm busy doing stuff Rodney you know I'm not in New York I've been Lhasa Rodney you're a waste of time you come on you make accusations that you simply can't back up I think frankly it's pretty insulting stuff always

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in life when you attack people to have some evidence to substantiate if you personally been affected by austerity well I think the whole country has I'm asking about you well it's
not about me it's about my questions how have you been affected have you been adversely affected well what I would say is that we have had a paper a lot of people have a terrible time with hysterics Eddie I'm not laughing I'm just questioning your question because well you leave the questions up to me what's the answer to mine my answer is that all of us have been affected decisions that had to be made but what we've done is we've limited those difficult decisions
we've made sure we target money on those on the lowest income it would be okay wouldn't it to say you haven't been affected why do I just think I don't think it's a good question I do well know what it means well I won't comment on your answer let me ask you a different question this money you've talked about for the police today 100 million pounds it's only for one year isn't it and it falls far short of what the police themselves have asked for what
we're doing is we're targeting in the specific areas where what do you think the police would do hi knife crime they say it's not enough well what we've done is we targeted in the areas where there is particular issues with knife I'm not asking where it's being spent I'm talking about the amount well I think a hundred million is a significant investment in year and we also put more money into the police budgets this autumn in the budget but we recognize there is a
specific issue with knife crimes there are terrible things happening on our streets just and we need to do more which is why the 300 million the police want we will be looking at police budgets along with all other budgets at the spending review for the next three years and that's a proper time to look at it but because this is an exceptional issue we do recognize how concerned the public are how difficult it has been for the many families that we should find that extra investment we've
found extra money from the reserve to pay for that this year do you see any link between the austerity which you personally haven't suffered from and the knife crime you're now trying to stop I think there are all sorts of factors that have led to increases in knife crisis territory one of things we grip is austerity one of the factors that's led to the increase in my certainty thing we do need more police on our streets which is why we are investing that extra money but Eddie you
know you're answering a question let me give you a full answer which is that we have to respond to what's happening in our country now that you've made sure we're addressing the issues know the people that caused knife crime area the people with knives let's be clear about that there is a responsibility from from the people who have been dative engaged in those criminal activities there's no link in your view that's the question I've asked you which you
haven't yet answered I'll ask you again is there a link between the government's austerity program and the rise we've seen in knife crime I do not I do not have a clear view on what are the causes of the rise in knife crime it's something that we're looking at across government to examine what are the causes what can we do to help how can we address these issues but I think it's wrong to always say that it's about the money precisely you spend on a service
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results and some of the money that we're putting in today is going to be used for intelligence-led policing to make sure we are addressing this problem in the right way but Eddie the answer to all Britain's problems is not simply to spend put more public money many of these problems are deep-rooted and we need to think about different ways to address them so for example the Home Secretary has launched a program on
early intervention we're looking at what more can be done in schools we're looking at what can be done through the health service why did we have to tighten our belts the reason we had to tighten our belts well let's not go back hugely overspent well if you're interested in talking about if you're interested in talking about 2008 let's look at what the Chancellor talked about today growth the forecast for growth the independent forecasts for growth that the government
relies on is as good as it's been as it's good as it was in 2009 so you complain about the record of the last government and your growth this year will be 2009 levels I mean we are facing various issues we're facing a global slowdown and we say that so Germany Germany for example has lower growth forecasts in the UK we also have an issue with the limbo around brexit and one of the things I'm very keen to do is get more support for the Prime Minister's deal so we can move on
with that and we can release business investment but I completely recognize Eddie we need to get growth off in this country and it's one of the things we're focusing on in the spending review how can we make sure that the money we're investing in projects like infrastructure is actually going to generate economic graces these groups so bad as I say there's and in fact the obr referred to this there is a global slowdown going on I don't think the global issues with trade have
helped I think there's more we can do in this country to release economic growth I think we need to build more houses there was a number of announcements at the spring statement about that so the the slowdown was more than a slowdown in 2008 that was Labour's fault but this slowdown is global I didn't say the slowdown was Labour's fault I said the excess spending of public money which led to such a high deficit was Labour's fault I I acknowledge the financial crash was a
global phenomenon that affected the u.s. it affected Europe and it affected the UK the problem was that the Labour government spent in good times and bad times and left us with a huge deficit what do you think having another EU referendum a very very very bad idea but people can change their minds can't they but they were told in the referendum in 2016 that their vote would be implemented and the reality is the vote need to be implemented what about the people change their minds between then
and now I don't think people have changed their minds everyone I speak to I have that's true right in the other way though Eddie oh I see but certainly they speak the people I speak to you many of whom vated remain say please Liz just get on with this they don't want another year or more of limbo asking the same question again they just want off to deliver it so people can change their minds but only if they go from remaining to leave but the point is that I've changed my mind in
favor of what people voted for what we're talking about is a whole bunch of people who haven't changed their minds most of the people out campaigning here on college greens are not people have changed their minds they're people who don't like what other people think and they've decided to campaign against it not a massive revolt of the people who voted for brexit this is people who supported remain and aren't happy with the result well people who like you have changed
their minds and they just simply want to express their minds everybody out there I bet hasn't changed their mind really well you can go ask them well you're closer have you spoken to any of them I was in a rush to get to this interview Eddie but not enough of one let me ask you about what Boris just a little but I'm not whining about it blame Kathy Newman at channel 4 who kept me holed up in Parliament I will remonstrate with her when I see her next I want to ask you because we
talked about knife crime and police resources Boris Johnson was an lbc this morning he was asked about police resources here's how he chose to respond to the question an awful lot of money an awful lot of police time now goes into these historic offenses and all this malarkey and you know it's of 60 million pounds I saw was being spat up the wall on you know some investigation into historic child abuse any thoughts I do think it's very important that we investigate historic child
abuse and it's interesting that the level of reporting of child abuse has gone up and more children are coming forward because they're hearing about these cases I think it's vitally important that's not to say I don't think there are areas where resources can be prioritised and i think i wouldn't suggest historic child sexual abuse is one of them but I do think dealing with the knife crime issue that we've got at the moment should be an absolute police priority what
effect do you think it would have on someone who has suffered child abuse but hasn't reported it and you can well understand the reasons why they might not to here a former foreign secretary and let's be honest conservative leadership hopeful talking about historic offenses all this malarkey and money being backed up the wall and let's not go I mean I think people know what the word means spaff tup the wall in this context what do you have to say to Boris Johnson about how he
expressed himself well I'm a believer that people should be able to express themselves in the way they see fit Boris is a backbencher he's entitled to give his opinion as I've said I don't agree with it but I'm not going around saying that people shouldn't say things because I think one of the problems we've got in Britain is that a lot of things politicians say or the public say we end up with a huge culture of talking about what they said rather than talking about
the real issues and a real issue for me is those children or grown-ups who have suffered that appalling abuse from making sure we deal with it not talking about Boris Johnson Richards are made in it Richard what would you like to say hi James I just want to say I agree with you to a point I think any reasonable person knows that most Muslims have absolutely no part in this and that you know it is a real fundamental and a very very minority group of who we're doing this but I think an apology
is mean you said before this pejorative person was in this should should all Jordi's if you an apology and that was kind of a little bit ridiculous but why why is it any different why should I be the last caller apologize for what these murderers in Paris did well because I think the alternative is that there is there is no apology have you apologized you apologized for the murders in France on Wednesday why would I need to apologize well why does a bus he was in vulture one no because
they're doing in the name of their family it what we've done not his Islam there might been doing in the name of Richards wouldn't mean it was about you I know I know but the so why haven't you apologized you can do it now if you want that know there has to be there has to be some these these people are are committing acts of terror in the name of Islam no in the name of his Islam I know and I do want to famine so if I if I went and blew somebody up now and said I'm doing in
the name of Richards everywhere you would feel you how to apologize if that wasn't the shoe bomber called Richard Reid have you apologized for him yet you're making no you are I'm really not okay well tell me why you haven't apologized for the shoe bomber whose name was Richard because Abbas has to apologize for a terrorist who said he was a Muslim take all the time you want mate okay so these guys are from the Islamic community yes and the shoe bomber was from the community of
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people called Richard we need to feel some sense that that there's some action in the Islamic community I don't trust people called Richard anymore so when are you going to apologize argue against you when you're you're being like I'm just trying to make a point that these people are from the Islamic community community mean you don't understand what Ana is what the Atlanta community I know that Sonny and Cher kill each other every single day in this country on a scale
that is nowhere close to what happened in France so what do you mean by the community you think they're on the same side do you those people killing each other is Syria at the moment no so what's the Islamic community he Atlantic in the country it's just everybody who has the word Islam on their religious affiliations even if they actually hold murderous intent towards each other which is bringing us back - Richard everyone who's got Richard on their Passport as part of the
Richard community you're allowed to admit you made a mistake my friend no I'm not committed I've made a mistake they need to be offensive that we are the Contras get out I'm gonna interrupt you there Richard which I think some might consider an act of mercy there was a brexit vote now would you vote brexit because you voted remain in the referendum have you changed your mind well I I don't answer hypothetical questions but what I what I I might be able to answer that I know I
would vote in exactly the same way well I voted remain I voted remained for good reasons at the at the time but circumstances move on and I think the important thing now is that I think we should all be focused on delivering brexit absolutely delivered the

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deal like me to say how would I vote in a vote now against a different background is an international background different economic background I'm Jeremy hump when I interviewed him at the conference he said he voted remain in the
referendum he the chief advocate have remained he said now he would vote for brexit because he says George Osborne's economic predictions did not come true and he said that he was fed up with the religion attitude of the European Commission of he says he could change his mind I don't quite understand why you can't things you are Prime Minister leading us into brexit yes and I'm Prime Minister ensuring that I'm going to deliver brexit for the British people that can't stop
me that you would now vote leave in a referendum I because I think in when you come I could sit here and I could say oh I'd still vote remain or or I vote leave just to give you an answer to that question I'm being an open or honest with you what I did last time round was I looked at everything and came to a judgement and I'd do exactly the same this time around but we're not having another referendum and that's absolutely crucial we're not having another referendum we
are going to deliver on the vote of the British people and we're going to deliver brexit and true 29th of March 2019 we come out of the European Union you living Kensington Donna yes I do in my service charge bill and this is a long one this year is fifteen thousand five hundred and I would feel really resentful if someone got the same thing for free I feel sorry for those people but my husband and I work very hard to be able to afford this and for someone to get in it free I would mean you
would move would because our our council tax bill is very very high no no charge bill is very very high so why should someone get it for free I know it sounds harsh believe me I feel sorry for those people but I work very very hard so this is my husband Donna it does sound harsh you sound hard-hearted I'm not hard-hearted but when I'm paying that kind of money and someone else is getting it for free if you stand in my shoes you can say that because you're not know it's a hugely
expensive I know it's a hugely expensive service charge which presumably you can afford ultimately but if it's no direct personal cost to you they're not asking you to pay the service charge for these people they're just I'm just suggesting they're not suggesting any of the I'm just suggesting that wouldn't it be nice to allow these people who to be one of the lucky few Donna who get to do something direct for these people you want them to be seen but not heard
and the council wants to pay the service charge bill that's fine they can use it but I'm saying it should not be given for free because then my council tax bill will go even higher and it's high why would your council tax bill rise because of an act of generosity on the part of you and the council why because charges it's a lot of money and anything that the council gives for free certain people has to pay for it I heard people ranting and raving that we got a hundred pounds back
but nothing to what we've paid over the years yes but these on these aren't extra things these are things which exist it's just about allowing other people to use things which exist look he you that you've got that money and you haven't been burnt out of your home now I understand I understand I just I disagree with you Donna I disagree with your approach you know lots of people work hard people work hard without earning enough money to live in Kensington as well and I just
thinking when something extraordinary happens it doesn't have to be always when something extraordinary happens but this has been an extraordinarily terrible event and it just seems to me that it would be a great opportunity to show a bit of generosity and not even generosity of money in your case just generosity of spirit I recently went self-employed a couple of years ago so it was a big thing those embraced it because I was building my business with client base etc and but I think
it's all gonna be short term what business are you in if you don't mind me asking I'm a self-employed electrician and although with drippers we're getting bigger and bigger and as the week's go by but you know what's going to be short-term financial loss they did to be fair before the vote they did tell you there wouldn't be any well I think I was I was never naive to the fact that there would be I mean I believe there would be and I was willing to take that sacrifice
just for the for the independence and they're just you know so we control their own laws I mean don't you know you know what I do now don't you I asked you which law it is you're really looking forward to not having to obey any more any that's right any any yeah so give me what shape you bananas it's not funny is it well the pounds at the lowest it's been since 1985 and and you just said any law and I'm just asking you to name one we both know that bananas was a
lie made up by Boris Johnson remind me which side he was on during the leave campaign so what why is the law actually because you didn't vote I knew you were going to take short-term economic damage you knew that all your customers would do as a newly formed electrician company every single customer in the country potentially is going to be worse off than they were before the vote so I'm just wondering what those laws are that you won't have to obey anymore that made you vote for
this short-term economic hit the name which is the main reason is that just the main reason you gave me wasn't it min ago yes can you name one yet so you voted so that you wouldn't have to obey these EU laws that you can't name no it's more than that it's a Norman I mean you wash your brush you what you go to Brussels you watch the guys talking it's all very it's very political and it's a I mean there's there are those toys out the crown because we know the
British people chose to leave and you know it's it's like baking a cake taken into work and someone says they don't want a slice and you get all uppity about it I mean it it Watanabe we're trying to examine why you voted the way you voted because you now accept that it's going to cost you money use you hope in the short term I hate to break it to you but we're not even going to be close to signing deals for years so that uncertainty that's affecting your balance book
your your order book is going to continue indefinitely and then I ask you why you did it then why you accepted that hit to your own pocket and you say well cuz of all those laws that you can't name and then when I ask you what the real reason is you say because you use really political this mirror that I'm holding up and that you're looking at at what point are you going to recognize what you're seeing in the reflection you're seeing a man who hasn't got an argument well
there's multiple arguments on immigration they controlled immigration again it's not about it's not about you know I'm not gonna phobic I you know I'm not totally multicultural got a family in America in in Bermuda in Spain and all immigrants we yeah well in the greens are fine you know it there's nothing wrong you know they're the same as me and you looking for the

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future for their family but it's not about that it's about the control it's about our
prime minister not having to come to the EU saying that he or she can't do and he said I mean it's the fact that we you know and that's fine I got my beef with you if immigrations all you've got then you're the cliche you're the walking cliche but what's interesting Ashley I know you won't take this the wrong way what's interesting is that you spend five minutes pretending that you've got proper political argument or economic understanding and then as all
of those claims fall away you're just left with foreigners how has immigration damaged your life would you say in its current form well well obviously being a trade immigration is has full price you know not only not not for electricians there's scant evidence that for completely unskilled labor it might have subjected some wage compression in the care home industry and maybe unskilled labor on working sites but there's actually a shortage of qualified electricians in this come
country which is probably why you've gone self-employed so it's not that is it I'm asking all skilled labor is actually a shortage at the moment that's one of the reasons we can't build as many houses as we need to so just in terms of actually in Pinner and the damage that the uncontrolled mass immigration has done to your life just give me the headlines walking walking through the city centre and seeing and seeing mobs of immigrants not willing to integrate walking through
the centre of Pinner and seeing mobs of immigrants not willing to emigrate not willing to integrate the most and I call them tell us okay yeah I mean how do you think leaving the European Union is going to disperse those mobs actually I think we can will have more control over how but they're already here mate yes the wheelhouse will add more control to their here so those mobs that upset you so much as you walk through town and see these mobs of immigrants refusing to integrate now that
we're going to leave the European Union what's going to happen to the mobs and I believe that we can we can integrate them clear week and we you know we we have the choice and we have the authority to do what we like without so when past it so you've cast your vote because you don't want these people here in the numbers that they're here in but you think that by doing that you're going to make them more amenable to integration and friendliness so you deliver a message to
someone saying we don't like you and you think that makes them more likely to be your friend you don't like the mobs in the middle of town do you know and that goes that goes with mobsters of Englishmen as well right okay so it's not nothing to do with immigration then it's just mobs you don't like and bananas and all those laws that you can't name is just finished with a quick question when you said it's going to be a short term economic hit how long is short term I
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and you're happy with that let's not fall out and I hope the business goes I really do I hope it booms even though you voted to have fewer customers and less money in the pockets of the ones you've already got I note in the six key themes that you're exploring one of them is putting the public at the heart of the NHS Natalie
Bennett what does that mean what that means is we say that the profit motive has no place in the NHS we shouldn't have profit-making companies involved in the NHS we want to have a publicly owned and publicly roni NHS and what we also want to do is remove the market mechanism which is imposing massive costs you know both of these things private financial initiative schemes the involvement of private companies is costing us huge amounts of money and the marketization lost money well if you
look at some of the PFI schemes you they basically bankrupting a trust it's about how much money are their costumers know well that's a figure it depends how long you allow so what we need what we need to do is restructure the NHS to make sure all the money is going into health so you don't actually know you talk about well the fact is what we're talking about here is if you can look at individual hospitals like st. Barts and the whole of the London in HS trust they're
looking at massive debts which are building up come by years at which point 100 million is it 500 million is it fifty billion we're talking billions if you feel a balloon well and if we allow costs if we don't think you know Miss Bennet you well it's a question a question of what what point you're counting this figure where of you're lying well and what we have to look at is the principle which is the principle here which is that you know if we look for example the NHS is
currently letting out a great many a contracted is the current budget of the NHS it's about 110 billion so that two billion a week isn't it mmm-hmm but you don't know how much of this might be saved by this PFI initiatives being taken away well we're not just talking about PFI initiatives we're also talking about the fact that we're letting 56 percent of the contracts that have been left recently have been left to private companies they're taking profits out of the
NHS if you let me finish the sentence in talking about many contracts being set is it for aged care now these contracts include end-of-life care and I think if people think about the principle that private healthcare companies are making profits out of end-of-life care the obscenity of that principle I think is very clear mmm-hmm and the third key theme is the Greens will ensure everyone has a secure affordable place to live how would that be brought about well a couple of things that we would
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want to focus on here in terms of council housing we want to build 500,000 use social rent homes that means council well you get the money from for that well what we want to do is fund that particularly from removing the tax relief on mortgage interest for private landlords we have a situation with private land those private landlords at the moment you basically running away with a situation of hugely rising rents they're collecting large amounts of Housing Benefit how much would that be
worth the mortgage relief for private landlords well that's part of the whole costing of all you but how much will that bring I mean that were the cost of 500,000 homes let's start with that how much is that going to be right well that's that's you've got a total cost that we will be spelt out in our manifesto so you don't know no you don't right so we don't have much those homes again of course but you wait it's going to be funded is mortgage released from
private handles how much is that worth right what we're looking at in turn in terms of the figures here um what we need to do is actually we're looking at a total spin of 2.7 billion 500,000 homes 2.7 what are they made of plywood basically what we're talking about is 500,000 new homes and basically each 1 pound spent on this brings back to pounds forty number what is the total cost of 500,000 homes it's about the cost of 60,000 per home 60,000 pillows because what we're
talking about is is the opportunity for that I can't include the land well what we're talking about is what we want to see is the possibility of homes being done so that's not much more than a large conservatory 60,000 pounds so where's the how are you going to pay for the land right what we're looking at doing is is is basically as you can probably hear I've got a a huge cold terribly sorry to hear that yeah so so what we need to do is basically social rental homes right
still don't see how you're gonna get this some at sixty you don't actually know how much this is gonna cost to you yeah we have we have a fully costed program which will be releasing which we really shouldn't you'd be aware of what that cost would be now right yes so what we're talking about is six billion a year so it's the current budget is 1.5 billion a year that will be attained by taking mortgage relief from private landlords that's six billion pounds worth
is it and we're also looking at investing yeah what we've got the fully costed figures here you said that on a couple of occasions how much does mortgage relief from private animals bring in then basically we're talking about an overall saving of 4.5 million pounds mortgage relief is worth four point five billion a year and this is other other things as well private landlords as well we're looking at Housing Benefit reforms and what we also want to do is bring in caps on private
tenants yeah do you think you might have perhaps agenda up on this a bit more Natalie Bennett I think that we're talking about a whole range but you personally might you have joined up a little emerge of red men into the sir perhaps a little more in hindsight what we're talking about is a whole range of issues of mourning raining from the economy from the NHS anytime unfortunate which we had more time well very welcome but unexpected guests in the studio this morning I don't know if
you were listening to Nigel Farage's phone in with Nick Ferrari last week if you were you'll have heard this yeah I mean this is the political class clubbing together using their mates in the media and doing anything they can to stop the u-clip charge and because we've got a few idiots in our party as well the wait is every other party you know somebody in some part of the England says something stupid or offensive on Twitter at midnight and this is held up as being representative of
the view of the party Nigel Farage's with me now shall we let's start with today - yes shall we and then and then move on to what you mean by the political class and their friends in the media we got John Linden Sullivan I think overnight it's humorously tweeted I rather he's a cancer of yours and Gloucestershire I rather often wonder if we shot one whether the next ninety-nine would decide on balance that they weren't after all we might then conclude that it's not a
matter of genetics but rather more a matter of Education admittedly a fairly small fry in the UK machine not a description you could apply to your small business spokesman who it turned out this morning has employed seven illegal immigrants there last year well they're two different things up there I'm in fest I don't know they've firstly people say silly things yeah of course we've had more of it than we would like but hey hang on a second what's gay one of the other
parties I mean we just got lost then when they're here Nigel but I'm talking about your point nobody ever does ask them and that's the point I'm making is I'm perfectly P for us to have a debate about our idiots and our people who are offensive so what happens to John Lindh and Sullivan then for that tweet he's a lot of counselor is he he's council candidate I think he's already in the council is he I don't know I haven't heard of his name he's got I
haven't heard it well there's a big difference between being on the ballot paper and being elected counselor you know this one comes after the other he isn't a we if he is an elected council is he fine I didn't know that we have had Peter what happens to him now he will face a disciplinary charge of whether he's brought the party into this right was on the 17th of February was it I don't know okay when about the small business spokesman who employs seven illegal
immigrants well I think be a little bit careful on that story you know he founded a business which he's no longer a director of his son's run it they have they've got a big route going on he resigned to be clear as a director of the company three days after the immigration raid I know that yeah he's resigned as a director after the immigration he's not run it yeah but he wasn't responsible for the day-to-day running of it however I've spoken during this morning he
says they made checks and they are in dispute with the immigration authorities and had gone to appeal so we'll have to see how that plays out but that doesn't make him an idiot you know what doesn't make him well well we don't know you know let's find out what happens here maybe somebody in his business has made a mistake I do not believe for a moment he would have done that so no in seven mistakes I do not believe for a moment he would have done that knowing that he was
running as a candidate for US in the European elections my argument James is this wherever we have found people who have had extreme racist unpleasant views we've unceremoniously got rid of them furthermore I've tried to protect the party by making absolutely clear that anybody that have previously been a member of the BMP or organizations like that cannot even join as a member and to hold up the views of a handful of people as being representative you Kipp frankly isn't the truth
well okay what about your associations with the BMP if we go back to 1997 when you you had lunch with a chap called Devon who as you know is responsible for writing an astonishing I mean his expose of Jews in the media was called Mindbenders you were photographed with him it was reported at the time that you're a man who often used words such as nog and the n-word that Jeremy Clarkson recently got into trouble for in the pub after committee meetings in a month after that lunch he even wrote
an article for the far-right journal spearhead suggesting that the BMP and you could get into bed together how does something like that happen because mr. Devine was brought into the center of you kept by the chap at the time he was the leader and turned out to be something very different and I've never seen him since that day well knows but lunch you had with him was after he was ex yeah I wanted to find out why no why what why somebody like him who had been held up to me as a great
academic he was gonna make a very big difference who you'd seen what he dreams a book his grand plan the origins of normal immigrants I wanted to find out what on earth had made somebody change their point of view nothing more than that I haven't spoke to him since as for the allegations you know that's what I said in a pub after committee meetings you will not find a single other member of that committee who makes that allegation Helen skirt house well you just said I wouldn't
find anyone else the founder of your party is Mabel the same Ally he was the person that made the allegation nobody else has made the allegation mr. Devon didn't make the allegation doctor sket made the allegation so you know in politics you know all sorts of disappointments happen to people and they throw mud yeah of course what about the mud that's been thrown about the far-right parties with which you sit in Europe the Danish People's Party the true Finn's party the Dutch sgp
and perhaps most interestingly the the the lega nord i think you co-chair do you that group with yes I mean Tesco super only he described Anders Breivik as someone whose ideas are in defense of Western civilization he didn't actually he didn't one of his members did and we kicked him out of the group no no you're thinking of Maria Borghese who went further and said in a radio interview that Breivik had some excellent ideas if you must Baroni himself who is your co-chair of this group
said that brave exciters are in defense of Western civilization if you will come and meet Italy or Poland or Slovakia and listen to the political discourse you would realize how incredibly different it is to what we were considered to be acceptable in this country what I have done in the European Parliament is to try and draw a line and to say we will not sit with people that we believe to be on the extremes we will sit with people who we believe to have a reasonable balanced point of view now
let's be honest we have had a problem in this group with one or two members of the northern why don't you just leave it what we could leave it and and in fact we made sure mr. Berg Azio left our group but equally I mean you know the Conservative Party had the bloke who celebrated the SS invasion of the Baltic States now we have said and I'm sure you know good why don't you leave it we have said we have said that we will not sit you know with the front Nationale and pine and
parties like the Austria Freedom High we've made that perfectly clear you know we are not a party that wants to be linked to the far-right but I promise you if you look at the associations everybody has to form in the European Parliament a degree of compromise is needed well this is what moves us on to the question about the political class that you refer to in your description of my our fears about some of the positions that you clip seems to represent because all of your defense thus far
has been well we're no different from any other political party and yet your whole unique selling point for many of your fans and supporters is that you are different so yeah I think the phrase you use is that the members of the political class and their friends in the media so let's run through that you currently write collars for the Express and the independent every week yeah you've been on question time I think in recent months more often than anyone except David Dimbleby the
prior has reported that some of your medical bills are paid by one of the owner yeah well I'm not having this why not I'm not having libel threat at me aren't you no live on the radio bills have not been paid by anybody all right other than other than partly by myself more than I could afford and the rest by an insurer okay let me be taking legal action against private I may do I'm at the moment it might surprise you no I'm busy running an election campaign so I think about
that afterwards okay too busy to know who's standing on the counseling Gloucestershire under your own banner I lead a political party okay so I run I don't run the day-to-day management of it but I make sure that we stick to our principles and we've done that the political class you know I was in business I came into politics motivated above all by one desire and that is not for the UK to be part of a political union rumble the bureaucrats in Brussels now whether you agree or
disagree with that I have actually given up and sacrificed a huge amount to do that have you because the last business you were involved in was I think you resigned his company secretary six weeks before it was wound up by the Inland Revenue no that was that was kind of the last company I was a director of okay the last company I ran was my own company which I ran for nine years and which closed down in good standing okay so you weren't company secretary of Farrell I was company secretary
but and he resigned six weeks it was a non income related job or wasn't paid I wasn't paid a penny for being company secretary what presume because if they owed 120 grand to the Inland Revenue there wasn't any money around I'd tell you anything I did the job doing somebody in my family a favor it was unpaid represent yourself as Nigel very effectively as an alternative to cronyism and city spit very and you were company secretary of a company that was wound up by the Inland
Revenue owing over a hundred and twenty thousand pounds to the revenue wrong wrong wrong case Oh what company would you like to correct the company has not been wound up the company at home second the company which is not my company at somebody else's company sacred I don't own any shares in the company I was doing a favor for somebody hmm on an unpaid basis the company far from winding up actually said we have a responsibility to make sure our tax bill is paid and it is being paid being
actually it's being paid out of earned income so the Inland Revenue is getting twice the money out of it that it would have done to begin with after the winding up order was issued and yet the company is not just a big fair I don't have a certainty that the company has not been wound up all right the company still exists it's active and it's in the business of paying back the money that he owes after the winding up order was issued by the Inland Revenue have you ever worked in
private business you know people have successes and people have I'm an ordinary 8 million people out there running small business I bet a lot of them listening to this now and many of them will have had ups and downs many of them will have had cashflow problems some of them would have had firms that didn't work but a subsequent one that did I've myself in the private sector ran my own firm for nine years without any difficulty or problems at all and the point is I came to do this
because I want to engage on the big political debates and issues of the day and the frustration is this that I'm not you know putting this to you because if there's a matter where I go all anyone wants to talk about are the idiots in UK there's never a conversation about the idiots in my labour party the five councillors have just resigned on racism charges in males to be honest I never hear you say anything else and your question about your own and the problem is we're not
having a debate about the European people aren't worried that we Labour Party or the Conservative Party is spreading racist propaganda the Conservative Party got a former BMP activist Andy for them in Lincolnshire will you ask the consent course I will absolutely you won't you see because now you're calling me a liar if I said your question the reason why it doesn't possess the same urgency as the u-clip conversation does is a the question of quantity there is simply not the
avalanche of bigotry emerging from other policies that emerges from yours unless the MB perhaps more pertinently for you then there is not a fear abroad afoot there is not a fear in the country the opinion polls do not report significance ways of the nation who are fearful possibly wrongly Nigel that your party represents deeply divisive I think I'd racist ideas if you'd let me finish let me just move on then to that invitation to go overseas and listen to conversations in in other
countries whereabouts far-right politics are not viewed as askance as they are in this country you've mentioned your discomfort at listening to foreign languages on a train recently I made the point that I got on a train and went for several stops and there were a lot of people around me and no one spoke English and I thought you know this is I didn't say I didn't object to it I felt slightly uncomfortable I think actually isn't that the problem isn't this of all the
countries in Europe the most accepting the most tolerant you said I don't feel very comfortable in that situation you don't say you had a problem I didn't feel comfortable now yes your wife is a German speaker what my children are - yeah does that mean you feel uncomfortable and because they can't speak English and the whole point about how do you know those people couldn't well maybe they could but I got the distinct feeling that it was certainly wasn't a language a
choice and if you look at the primary school situation in the East End of London you know where you've now got schools where a majority don't speak English doesn't that say you've got a you've got a school say to us doesn't that say to us that what we want is a sensible balanced immigration policy where we want people with skills to come into Britain but we also want integration in society we do and this place you refer to the pupils you refer to are registered and
recorded of how as having English as a second language they're not registered and recorded as not being able to speak English it's that's precisely that sort of about it well yes but no one's counted them so your own children would fit into that category well hopefully lots of people can speak different languages but the point I'm making is do we want to live in an integrated forgive me the point you're making is that schools in the East End are full of children who
can't speak English I just want you to recognize that's not true what you just say come from the children who are typify to speaking English as a second language would include your own daughters they come their mother tongue pain Germans they come from homes where English is most definitely not the first language and in too many cases is not the language at all now look you know but no one's counted how many people I haven't to say it really very helpful and useful thing if they
did and perhaps we'd be even more surprised and even more shocked but the argument or perhaps we'd realize that most bilingual children in this country are children like yours well let's turn around the other way she went yes let's let's talk about immigration let's talk about Europe let's look at the European elections I am making one very simple point we cannot have any form of managed migration into Britain and remain a member of the European Union because we have
an open door to nearly half a billion people and the argument James I'm putting is this we be far better to have an immigration policy that didn't as it currently does discriminate against engineers from India or doctors from New Zealand in favor of anybody regardless of skill levels or backgrounds coming from Southern and Eastern Europe and that is the great debate and when Nick Clegg you know took me on and I tried to have that debate with him he was very reluctant on that particular
point to engage Cameron and Miliband run a country mile away from that debate and that I think is at the heart of our relationship with you indeed and I mean if that was the debate that you'd offered to have on this program we'd have it now but what the caller asked you was was why so many people think you're racist yeah well I think you know yes we've had our idiom and part of the answer would be you talk about children who can't speak English as a first language without
mentioning it includes it includes your own children I mean what is racism you know is racism between races I was talking I was talking about don't you know yeah I was talking can you say you're not something if you don't know what it is is race about color is is is is race about race or is it about nationality you know I made a comment there that wasn't intended to say anymore that I felt uncomfortable about the rate and pace of change and numbers of know you were felt
uncomfortable about people speaking foreign languages despite the fact that presumably your own wife does when she phoned home to Germany yeah I don't suppose she speaks Tom betraying you know I know I may be not allowed to and what about the line about we're not wanting to live next door to Romania it's perfectly acceptable I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next door to you would you be considered if a group of German children did what's the difference the
difference and you know what the different ion ously don't this is I think where the disconnect is have a in your position in mind what is the difference we want an immigration policy based on controlling not just quantity but quality as well and we have a problem that if and unfortunately those communist countries which I've visited and I visited the Roma encampments that I've seen the real poverty that people live in and we talk about exclusion in society go and see since the fall
of communism what has happened to the Roma communities in those countries they don't get jobs they get nowhere to live and they have been forced in many cases to a life of crime and what has happened with an open door is he's been an open invitation for the traffickers now we all know this is going on okay the Metropolitan Police trafficking is a crime of course it's traffic is a crime traffic people are victims a crime yes and the Metropolitan Police the Metropolitan Police have
produced their crime statistics and their eye watering I'm saying let's get a grip on it I know you're saying that about Romanians but but why can't you understand how many people feel troubled that you're also talking about them 32 million people are looking for jobs in Europe and that big clunking fist pointing saying that they're causing provocative pace they're coming for your job that frightens people people who were already here working saddled people who might
children go to school their parents are troubled by the idea that they're now being demonized and typify dand you gloss so smoothly well it's low slickly ionizing Romanians and demonizing German not demonizing anybody you just questioned about Romania you started talking about people trafficking humanising I'm demonizing a political class that has allowed us to have an open door to allow things like this to happen okay so when when I say Romanian and you start talking about people
traffickers why didn't you say people are perfectly entitled to feel uncomfortable about living next door to people traffickers wherever they're from why'd you say Romanians I didn't say Romanians I was asked I was asked a question if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you would you be concerned and if he lived in London I think you would think yes it's reported this morning Nigel that you've pulled out of an interview on London Life because there was no makeup art
that's what I've sorry you can accuse me of anything but not that well I've tried to and I'm delighted you're so happy I'm still utterly I'm persuaded as to why you sit on a party with the leader of the Italian legen order a member of the Anders Breivik fan club I'm completely on Punk I do not understand why you use words like Romanian when describing who you would and would not want to live next door to I don't understand why you're uncomfortable
listening to foreign languages when your own wife and children speak them and I don't understand why you talk about problems in primary schools that are caused by children like your own why don't you I tell you what why don't you come and meet UKIP's black and ethnic hang on some of my

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fan on what a very interesting did you see the opinion poll that weekend that showed amongst the BMI community you keep is now polling at 16% we're getting more BM e voters than the
Conservatives and Lib Dems added up together so there are a lot I will come with you and you come with me and meet the the opinion poll also at this weekend that found I think just over 40% of voters who think that your party is racist which is which which and that and what you've done in the last 20 minutes I know we don't have any longer I was hoping for an hour but but what do you think you've done in the last twenty minutes to assuage the fears of those people made it clear to
people that actually controlling the quantity and quality of people that come into your country is a primary duty of government and we cannot do it as members of the European Union and finally the question of your expenses in your financial arrangements I heard I heard you on radio for saying that you'd submit to a full audit you've you've you've reverse ferreted on that on the grounds that other MEP s don't we these are the transparency arrays we all labour MEP sign up for
do you sign up for those today yeah they don't actually what they do is they have an order to more than make sure they spend the money in accordance with the rules yes there are no expenses you say that as if there's something wrong with it they have an order to make sure they spend the money in their arms with the rules massively this is Patrick O'Flynn UKIP's director at communications and there are political commentator on the daily exposure is this a friend in the media or a
member of the political power are no expenses these are allowances fixed rate allowances which I've spent in accordance with the rules so will you go for the audit that all labourer me please go for we will make a decision on mass well yes no no your insurer and I I'm very suspicious of the word order used in that contest are you yes okay Nigel Farage alright thanks for your time and then it takes yes afternoon there's a full list of course of all euro candidates available on the LBC
website goodbye mr. O'Flynn goodbye mr. Farrell so how much would ten thousand police officers cost well if we recruit the ten thousand police men and women over a four-year period we believe it will be about three hundred thousand pounds three hundred thousand pounds sorry three thousand police oh no I mean sorry how much will they cost they will cost they will it will cost about about eighty million pounds about eighty million pounds right how do you get to that figure we get to that
figure because we anticipate recruiting twenty five thousand police extra police officers a year at least over a period of four years and we're looking at both what average police wages are generally but also specifically police wedges in London and this will be funded by the reversing in some instances I think that cuts to capital gains tax but I'm right in saying that since Jeremy Corbyn became leader of the party that money has also been promised to reverse cut spending cuts in
education spending cuts in arts spending cuts in sports the Conservatives say you've spent this money already dying I would say that we've not promised the money to any area we've just pointed out that the cuts in capital gains tax will cost the taxpayer over two billion pounds and there are better ways of spending that money but as we roll out our manifesto process we are specifically saying how we will fund specific proposals and this morning I'm saying to you that we will fund
the 10,000 extra police officers by using some not all but just some of the 80 million is the figure yeah yeah but if you I don't understand if you divide 80 million by 10 you get eight thousand what week so what you're going to pay these policemen no we're talking about a process over four years I don't understand what what at what is he or she get eighty million as divided by ten thousand it was eight thousand so uh what are these police officers going to be paint we will be
paying them the average as it's been thought through of course it's been thought through where were the figures the figures are that the the additional cost in year one when we anticipate recruiting to hundreds and about 250,000 kaseman will be sixty four point three million two hundred and fifty thousand police men and women so you're getting more than ten thousand you're recruiting two hundred and fifty thousand know where we are recruiting two thousand and two hundred and
fifty and the costs are where to where to 250 thousand come from I think you said that no no no you gonna show you you said that because I wrote it down what I'm saying about the costs is in year one obviously we're getting ready to recruits but in year two the cost will be sixty four point three million in yes three the cost will be a hundred and thirty nine point one million year for the cost will be two hundred and seventeen million when year five the cost will be two hundred and
ninety eight million and that can be amply covered by reversing the cops think out for Gasca you you