Kool Rock-Ski on Forming Fat Boys, Doug E Fresh Beef, Buff & Markie Dee Dying (Full Interview)
all right here we go we have legendary rapper cool
rockski the last surviving member of the fat
boyswelcome to vlad tv oh what's up man what's good with you hey man longtime fan longtime fan you guys were innovators and trendsetters in what you do and you know even to this day i started kind of going through the number of people that have like sampled you guys or used parts of your songs uh i mean beastie
boysredid uh burr stickham everlast you know did the white
boysback um you know method man and red man uh sampled you guys i think even drake sampled you guys recently yeah he did like a little sample yeah i mean you can see it on our statement well i can see it you know whoever samples whatever i think um what's the guy's name action boxing i think i'm saying his name right yeah he sampled something as well yeah yeah it just goes to show how impactful you guys were and continue to be yeah you know um like with all things as your popularity starts to dwindle you know what i mean it's kind of like um you know i always tell people all the time like you can still have popularity but not record sales anymore you know what i mean but the popularity always stay there so um we're living in an age now where people who didn't know who we were they started to find out who we were because you know social media um the internet youtube and all that stuff so that's a good idea to hear a 15 year old kid say i'm listening to your songs i'm...
like you know he wasn't even born and i'm saying so that's a good thing to hear well this is your first time here so i want to get into your whole story right so you grew up in brooklyn east new york yeah okay so tell me what new york and brooklyn was like in the 70s and 80s 70s and 80s new york well my neighborhood was pretty close-knit um of course you had your crime yeah you changed snapchats not changed that you had your um post-snatchers that was a big thing back then was post-snatching um car thieves um but you also had a lot of hard-working people um like my family
buff's family and you know mark's family and a lot of my friends so we pretty much was just um little kids just running the streets and having fun you know getting into all kinds of crazy trouble nothing you know well police have to come to knock on the door but um a lot of sports um a lot of fighting you know we fought all the time you know but it was a thing where we fought and like 20 minutes later with twins again so um just uh i mean we kept our neighborhood up because my mother was a block president of some sort and um she asked the city to give us some some tools to clean up our neighborhood we had a lot of lots on our block there was a lot of lots and a lot of rats because the lots create you know the rats would come on the block but we also had a lot of big ass um um alley cats big big crazy cats walking the block look you know heads the size of lions and you know i'm not...
exactly some big ass cats out there but um we cleaned up the neighborhood we made gardens out of them um out of the lots um so we had we we had a good childhood before the rap thing so we had you know we grew up being children you know we had a lot of fun okay now you and prince marky d grew up on the same block yeah uh we all grew up on the same block but i met mark first mark was seven and i was eight and the way we met um it's like a snowstorm or something and i was helping my brother shovel the snow in front of the house and i saw him walk from a distance i knew he moved on the block and i saw him from a distance i made my way down to him he moved like maybe four houses away and um you know like little kids do you know you're comparing stuff and all that and you know this and that and what superheroes you like what's your favorite sports of star whatever and then i went my way he went his way and then we just started hanging out you know so i didn't meet
buffum the human beatbox i didn't meet him till we were like both of us like 13 um you know 12 13 years old okay so the three of you meet right and you know if you were 13 we're talking about like 1979 right around that time yeah hip-hop was just starting to form rapper's delight just came out and that was the first hit song yeah from the hip-hop genre right now during that time well king ten third but a lot of people don't know that you know but you know right but i mean king tim the...
third was out but rappers delight international yeah yeah right you know that that went outside the hip hop genre into a mainstream right and kind of introduce the you know the outside world outside of the bronx to hip-hop now during that time you know did you know about cool herc and the parties and everything else like that we didn't know about them we knew i knew about um people like flash and furious five because they made their song super rapping um but not they didn't make it i think they made it in 1980 but we didn't we knew neighborhood rappers neighborhood djs we didn't know nothing about the what was going on in the bronx we knew something was going on up there we didn't hear no names you know so um we didn't travel like that because we were too young to go up there and we pretty much just kept it brooklyn so that's what our thing was so um we didn't hear about cool hurt maybe like 1980 81 around then but we i mean of course he existed but we just didn't hear about him okay now
buffy the human beatbox was he beat boxing from the very beginning or did he learn that from someone else um well here's the thing i met
buffwe're bark moved on the block i was um i was rapping the song um super rhymes by jimmy spicer may he rest in peace and
buffwas we were playing in one of the many lots on our block and
buffstarted beat boxing he started doing sounds with his mouth so me and another childhood friend um we started checking his...
pockets like what do you got in your pockets you're like there's nothing in my pockets like so open your mouth let me see what's in your mouth she opens his mouth i'm like where's that sound coming from he said it's my mouth i said no freaking way i should do that again and he starts doing it again and we were like blown we were blown away because he had such power it wasn't like so many beat boxes you hear now nowadays with so much antics and and sound effects he actually sounded like a drum you know a bass kick and all that stuff so it kind of blew us away and we started looking at him like he was kind of weird because of what he was doing like yo this kid is weird like he's making beats with his mouth and all that stuff but um you know that's that's what he that's what he did he said he was in his room one day he just started doing that when he was like nine years old i think and he started she started practicing and got better at it okay now you yourself could you can you beatbox yourself no no no no he never taught me that stuff you know i never wanted to learn either okay and i think to the rest of the world beatboxing got introduced in the movie beat street right when
freshbritish uh in that whole christmas skit right now did you guys know about
freshat all dirty
freshat all somebody came on our block one time they wanted to battle us this week we became a rap group and they wanted to battle us and they were...
from harlem and they said there's a guy that does the same thing as him his name is
freshso we started kind of laughing at the name like ducking
freshlike who what kind of name is that but we had no idea who he was because once again we're from where we're from we're from brooklyn he's from harlem so we didn't go uptown to see who was doing what you know most of the time we thought people would come check for us like we were some kind of stars but we weren't but um we didn't know who
freshwas but once we saw the movie beat street yeah remember beat street came out but we had a song out as well our song that we made our first ever song was called reality and
buffwas doing the beatbox on that song as well um now the song didn't take off the way the movie beat street did and didn't have an impact but
buffwas still doing beat boxing on on on records on that particular record but yeah no we i never we didn't know who
dougie first was okay so the three of you form a group but it's actually five of you in the beginning yeah how do you know about that i i know man i researched so the original group was called hypnotized five oh you know right now that's crazy you gotta be a real fan to know that kind of stuff yeah the original group was called the hypnotized five it was five mc's one dj in
buffwould have been the beat box the you know the secret weapon so to speak um so we kind of formed the group on...
mark's porch on his stoop and i don't think these guys took it seriously the other three and because they weren't coming to practice they were always saying yeah let's practice on thursday they wouldn't show up and just be me
buffing mark you know at the practice facility which was
buff's house and so we said you know what they don't want to get down with it so you know let's just keep it as disco three so that's what we called ourselves that the last day they didn't come we called ourselves the disco three and we knew there was a disco four but we you know and it is what it is you know okay so the disco three ended up competing in this big talent contest which was sponsored by coca-cola actually and wbls right and you guys won it yeah we won the semifinals then went on to win the finals right and with that win actually came a record deal right okay so now the disco three are signed and at the time uh melee mel's the message was like the hottest thing oh man yeah in the streets so you guys decide to kind of follow that blueprint and you came out with a song called reality reality right it didn't get past our block so i think it stayed on our blog and whoever bought it must have really loved us a lot because that song sucked but um it just gave us the illustration of what making the song was all about that's pretty much all it was and we did our take on what the furious five was everybody was doing those kind of songs at that...
time because people gravitate to what works in the music industry so right and i actually just
interviewed mellie mel and you know what he talked about which honestly i co-signed was that was the most important song ever in hip-hop ever because it changed the direction of the art form before before the message rappers were rapping about rapping right and and partying in girls and whatever else who are the best rhymes but then that song kind of legitimized the art form as okay this is actual social consciousness and you know a statement about the current you know state of new york and poverty and so forth and people started taking hip-hop seriously after that oh yeah definitely when the message came out even grown people who wasn't even into hip-hop into rap music they gravitated to that song the message was such was so impactful that it was like it gave the whole world an illustration what new york was like and if you want to know what new york was like you got to listen to that song broken glass everywhere people pissing on the stairs you know they just don't care can't take the smell can't take the noise get no money to move out against a got no choice rats in the front and roaches in the back which was every every house damn near in brooklyn rats in the front roaches in the back so it was he he he he hit the nail on every head of that song and duke booty you know who wrote this song um with mellie mill you know it just was a combination of uh melody...
mel's voice was so so like rage like he was enraged but it's like dude booty voice was like he was the old elder statesman telling him to calm down it's going to be okay but it yeah it's an impact my mother loved that song she loves she said melanie mel sounded like a preacher you know someone's like so yeah it's to this day the not only the most important song in hip-hop but the most important song in music history in my opinion you know one of those one of the strongest songs i've ever heard you know i agree i agree okay so you guys put out reality it doesn't work yeah so then you guys decided to kind of reinvent yourselves and then at that point did you become the fat
boysno um we didn't become the fat
boyswe we regrouped uh my manager at the time mr charlie stetler um he said he wanted to get curtis blow to do the next song so we knew this the first song didn't work so we're looking at him like listen it's over let us go back to going to school or whatever curtis blows not going to work with us you know curse blows a superstar he's like the first um solo rap superstar in hip hop and lo and behold we go to the studio one night curtis blow is sitting in the studio got the white jacket with the k blow um name plate the jerry curls is hanging down like oh that's actually curtis blow and uh mind you he judged our contest that we won he was one of the judges but um so we get in the studio and he's just talking to me...
and mark about the importance of writing writing your own rhymes and you know and asking us what we got let me see what y'all got so we're going back and forth um he said okay you know so he pushed the track up and we hit the track we hear the the chorus so look at one another like what the hell yeah i mean the choruses the hook is fat
boysand so we go inside the the booth and we're writing so we're we're just writing rhymes so we start to record the rhymes we're rapping over the the hook over the chorus so he comes back in and like y'all don't know how to write a song we didn't know how to write bars we didn't know how to structure a song because we did reality we're just rapping right through there was no hook the hook was you know what whatever it was so he told us you know so every sentence is a bar i'm like oh okay so that day we knew how to put a bar together put a song together so it was 16 16 and 16 and you went from there okay and he actually brought in uh larry smith and daveydmx yeah who did all the all the you know drum programming for run dmc so that's why you see the similarity and sound right with what you guys are doing and what they were doing and these guys were geniuses and that whole thing they brought it all together you know curtis blow was just he's just sat back it was the maestro library smith and david they brought it all together um billy warren he wrote a lot of stuff on the song um so it was...
um it was epic because there was a whole lot of people coming in and out of the studio i mean millie mel was coming in there russell simmons was coming in and see what was going on um sal labatello who owned the disco fever so different people were just coming in and out the studio all the time just to see what we were doing probably mainly because curtis blow was in the studio so he was just coming to check him out so it was it was crazy right and that's when you guys came out with stick up stick em was the b side you know back then you had the a side of b side and it just so happened we had two hits inside of the b side hit and stickum came because um when mark would rap i would ad lib put it up stick it put it you know like that and kurt would always look at me like what the hell is that so he said listen y'all always saying this put it up stick it stuff i'm saying no just put it up stick them and he's like yeah whatever so he's like why don't y'all put this on a song and have
bufffeatured as the human beatbox i said well where's the track he's like no no
buffis the beatbox he's going to beat box in the song like okay let's just try it so we wrote put it up stick them in maybe two minutes because it's really not but freestyle rhymes that we had and we wrote it in two minutes and um it came out and boom it was like an instant hit you know and people started the radio started playing put up sticking more than they played fat...
boysbut you know i mean new york at that time was was um they just took a liking to the song they just gravitated to it man and you know i remember the day that the song came out i told this story before and we were still in high school at this point so we go to school so imagine going to school and you're the big man on campus as far as being a baseball player football player whatever but imagine going to school you got a hit record on the radio you know it's just a whole lot a whole different kind of level and um that whole school went crazy man because the song came out on the friday we went back to school that monday so that song played that whole weekend so by the time you get back to school it's pandemonium okay so then in 1984 you came out with your first album right which was the self-titled fat
boysalbum right and uh on that album you also had the song can you feel it right which uh end up getting redone by drew down for yeah i think i know once or twice yeah that's the brother out of um oakland i think yep right yeah out of oakland exactly okay so the song comes out it hits number 48 on the billboard charts right and it goes gold right and you're how old at the time um i'm the oldest well
buffis like a couple of months behind me so i'm 17 mark is 15 and barf is 16 going on 17. okay you're all teenagers and now you have a gold record on your hands right what was that like that's it was crazy because um yeah i remember back then...
going gold as a rapper or rap group or rap artist whatever is monumental i mean hell it's even still monumental right now to sell 500 000 or whatever downloads whatever they do nowadays but actually that little from houdini told me this we were the first um group to go gold one dmc was second and they were third so going gold and being on the independent label um i mean it's crazy we was getting we was getting gifts like nameplates you know big ass nameplates with our names on it we got a vcr but you know vcos was a big thing back then and we had a vcr the size of a damn microwave so you know we were like you know like like you ever seen the beverly hills uh the beverly hills show that's how we were like you know we we didn't know any better so um the company is rolling out the red carpet and you know we're making a little a little more money per show we got a little money in our pockets got some money in our bank accounts you know taking care of the family whatever so life is good you know life is good at that time there's a huge buzz around the country about the fat
boysand you know all this stuff so you know we're touring you know we're just having fun and we're in demand i mean um i think um one of the beastie
boystalked about um us going on tour madonna and it was true madonna did what is on tour but it wasn't enough money or something like that so our manager turned it down but um i couldn't see us on tour with you know that...
kind of crowd anyway i don't think it would have worked right because you guys did the first uh
freshfest right which was uh run dmc houdini yeah cody's blood um curtis blow yep jam on it what's the name nucleus nucleus i mean the first hip-hop tour yeah first ever first ever okay and i guess was that around that time that there was some sort of
freshbecause he kind of took a shot at you guys on the show you know i'll tell you first we had a little run in with donkey
freshand i thought i brought us up to chill wheel we had a little run in with jackie
freshat the disco fever um on the heels of our second tour the second first festival and
dougwe were in the disco fever and we was doing this we was doing a showcase or whatever us run dmc houdini and curtis blow and it was kind of like um a party given to us before we go back out on tour whatever so anyway
freshwalks inside and he he goes up to
buffand he says which one of you mf's call me
dougie still i'm like so i heard it you know i heard it from a distance so i said i walked over i said nobody call you
dougie still he said one of y'all ma mf call me
dougie still and he just goes i will bust all of y'all i'm like oh so that mark comes over and charges over because he's thinking he's seeing all this commotion him and marco almost gets into it and so much a big fighter disco fever and sal is pulling us to the side and telling us yo you can't be doing...
that you know it's just it's just rap music you know you can't take it to a violent i'm like no it's not getting to that we're just you know we're just going back and forth but um we did a show actually um with
freshand slick rick was still with him at this point and split rick came into our dressing room and still and told us he doesn't have
beefwith us you know he's like you know how he talks you get that sore voice and he's like we don't have
beefwith y'all and i'm like yeah it's all love i mean you know
doughe's doing his thing with doing our thing it's you know it's it was never it happened that night in the disco fever it didn't go any further right because i guess in the show he is sort of like a shot at
buffy right i do the i can't even really do it right but he's like i don't do the uh uh-huh you know which is kind of a shock yeah right exactly is that right but i like that too much to be honest i bet i mean that was a huge song yeah
buffdid not like that at all but um i guess it was
dougpretty much saying yo i'm here too like i'm known for this i'm not known for that i mean he's doing his thing but i'm here too so um and you gotta keep in mind
dougwas the only one doing that at that time um mark he didn't come to about maybe a year or two later so it was
dougas the beep who's gonna be beatbox supreme you know what...
i'm saying so that's what it's all about okay so then in 1985 the next year you guys drop the fat
boysare back right number 63 on the billboard charts right alm goes gold again so now you guys are really solidifying yourself in the you know you guys aren't one hit wonders anymore right now two albums gold you guys are now solidified mind you these albums are not just going gold they're going like maybe average sales maybe 9 25 you know they'll eventually go platinum but you know the average sales that we're doing you know okay and then you know you guys are starting to cross over you guys are doing swatch commercials you guys are getting on mtv and and then you guys got your role in one of the first hip hop movies crush groove crush move right yep we turned down rap there's a movie called rapping mario van peebles and we turned that down i mean thank god we did but it was probably one of the worst rap movies ever so we turned that movie down but on the horizon was the movie crush move which we were only supposed to be in for maybe like two to three minutes um russell simmons didn't really want uh he wanted the spotlight specifically on run dmc um but i think what happened with warner brothers studio is that they pretty much was telling us without telling us if you want to make this whole culture work it has to have bound you have to have balance you can't have angry black men in a movie through the whole movie i'm saying because...
you know you got to have a balance in it so i guess you know as far as the comic relief so to speak um they gave us more time in the movies and um the memorable scene of um all you can eat is what everybody went up to theaters screaming and saying oh they ate all that food and and all you can eat and all that stuff and so i i would say we kind of stole the show in the movie and that's how we got the three picture deal with one of others right because you know the next album big and beautiful came out that was 62 on the charts uh you guys had this other movie that you were in uh next to the city yeah with cody's blog right which i guess was produced by uh columbus columbo mafia member michael franzese who's been a regular on my show yeah i didn't know it was um that's that's crazy so i guess some gangster you know yeah michael michael franzis you know who went on to make millions of dollars to the mafia right uh doing doing gas scams and all types of other right yeah he had his hands in that okay yep yep and then the next year the fourth album crushing came out and that was the big album for you guys it was number eight on the billboard charts and it goes platinum right but this was where the kind of the crossover came in yeah the crossover came in because uh our manager he always wanted that mtv crowd first of all he always wanted that top 40 crowd second he always wanted that one dmc walk this way crowd third so when we did um the song with the beach...
boyswho at the time i had no idea who the who the heck they were i i actually thought i'm not even not even exaggerating a lion i actually thought they were guys who made songs on the beach like they were just a bunch of drifters who made songs on the beach and so so we're in california shooting the movie disorderlies and on the last day that the beach
boysgot invited to come down to make a cameo in the movie so make a cameo and our manager strikes up a deal right there on the set for us to make the song wipe out over so we get back to new york after shooting the movie um and maybe like a month later we go to studio because at first we're thinking well first of all the safaris made the sun whiteboard it wasn't the beach boy they the beast
boysmade it over the safaris made the actual song and we heard the song like well how the hell are we gonna rap to this so then
buffwent in with a producer um i forgot who produced that song and they just sat down and did like this whole kind of miami kind of vibe that was going on with kind of like the planet
rockand what they was doing down in miami and we came up with the song wipeout and um you know another song that was written by me and mark in less than three minutes since i was just a party back and forth um lyrics have song or whatever and the song just explodes i mean our first single off the crushing album was falling in love and we wanted that to be a sync we wanted that to be a video made for the song...
because people was loving falling in love but you know the company in the management um record company management is one of the same the management owned a record company so it's not everything had to go through him anyway um so he puts out wipeout and it freaking explodes um every station is playing it every top 40 station it's his dream to have every top 40 station playing these songs and so we go back out on tour so whatever crowd we had that was predominantly maybe 90 black it's now 50 black to 50 white because of the popularity of wipeout and you know so it was what it was i mean we liked per
formingthe song um once once it was handed to us we didn't really like we know we didn't really say yeah we gotta do this song you know but i guess um you know they saw otherwise how this the song would have an impact so well uh i mean prince marky d uh in an
interviewhe said uh i'll be absolutely honest with you crushing was our worst album to do even though is our most successful we felt like it was the beginning of our downfall specifically because of wipeout no i think i think as he's probably right about the wipeout song but i think crushing in my opinion my honest opinion we have three albums in fat
boysare back um big and beautiful and we're on a roll at this point but at the same time a lot of people was writing us off after big and beautiful and a lot of you know a lot of critics what whoever was saying these these guys are done...
they're not gonna pull nothing out of the hat again and then crushing comes out and um like i said falling in love the first single is what i'm most proud of because we could have went a different route and still stuck with that formula but what we did was we did some we we regrouped as a group we regrouped and we kind of just we grew up we were growing up we was in our 20s so um i can understand what he means by that because of the sense of wipeout because once whiteboard was successful our manager he just said man we're gonna we got to do these these crossover tunes and that's what we're going to stick with you know the hell with the core audience you already got he want to get the money he want to get the audience with the big money you know i'm saying so i can understand him from that aspect but um i like doing question i love doing questions you know i didn't like okay wipe off something too much but i like questions okay because right after that the movie disorderly came out which is like a color classic movie right i remember watching that it's a great great film if you haven't you know for everyone's watching who hasn't seen it yet you want to go ahead and rent that um and i guess wasn't prince marky d engaged to pepper from salt and pepper at the time no they they were dating they were they were dating um they were boyfriend and girlfriend um but i don't think he bought that i don't think he gave him an...
engagement ring unless you didn't tell me about it but but she came down to the set once or twice so okay okay so then the next album in 1988 comes out the fifth down coming back hard again right that hits number 33 on the charts it goes gold and then that's when the twist came out with chubby checker yeah which at the time was that your biggest hit at the time was was wipeout bigger wipeout was way bigger wipeout was bigger um it could have been i mean it went gold in like five different countries i don't know um here's the thing though with these songs is that we're writing these songs to twist and wipe out and louis louie does these kind of songs we're not getting any publishing or royalties from them because all we're doing is our edition of them so the only one who's getting paid is probably you know hank ballard who wrote the twist of the safaris who wrote uh wipeout and you know whoever wrote louis um we're not getting none of that publishing money or whatever um but i think if if mark if markd thought the downfall happened with wipeout i thought it happened with the the twist with the coming back hard again album because that at that point it was like things were being forced on us like we were going to the studio to make a specific song it's like nah and it's like they would hear it our management would hear it like yeah we know we're not going to put this out as a single because we already got the twist lined up you...
know so it was like we was just going in the studio for the hell of it and um so it's like a lot of things was going back and forth between the management and the artist and you know to me um coming back hard again album was the worst time i ever had making an album with the group probably the worst time because i just just was no it wasn't fun anymore it was just like everything was being forced on us you know well okay well that album does go gold yeah it sold it had the twist it had louie louie on it um so you know after that you guys do the nightmare on elm street wow that was great for freddy yeah you know with freddy krueger actually in the video the next album on and on comes out and that only hits 175 on the billboard charts right was that was that the worst selling album at that point oh that's the worst selling because no they didn't want to push it polly door didn't want to push it our management didn't really want to push it because there was nothing on there for them to sell there was nothing on there for for um top 40 radio um but i gotta tell you this yeah i had a lot that's the most fun i had making that album um as opposed to the first album i had more fun making that album than the first album and the reason why because we were at a we were at a disagreement at this time so our manager wasn't even showing up to the studio because before he's he's he's like a hawk in the studio so at this time he he wanted to...
distance himself from the group so we were like good stay over there we'll do our thing over here so we was having fun you know we would um have our friends in the studio we come to the studio every time we wanted to um so we were just having fun we didn't give a damn you know stay over there we'll stay over here and um i'm proud of the album because we put it together ourselves um as far as mark was doing some stuff with corey uh me and
buffwas doing some songs and you know we just had fun doing that album we didn't know that was the beginning of the end from of our management we kind of felt something like this might be it we might have to go to another record company because i don't think this is going to work out between us and um because him and mark just wasn't getting along and and um the fact that we was going to side with him to go against mark i guess he looked at it like what hell you know if i can't get these two to get on board in the hell with all three of them so you know okay and i guess wasn't there a rumor that the manager wanted you and
buffto actually vote marky uh out of the group it was a lot of times he came and said that we could still be successful without mark that we can or we have we can replace him easily and um it kind of went in one ear and out the other because we would sit there and we'll listen to it and not our heads and we'll go behind his back and be like is he crazy because we're not gonna...
we came up together and we would tell mark this and you know and mark would be laughing and um so like no it's not gonna happen so if he leaves we're both we're leaving we're leaving that's a group even when we have to split up and go our separate ways it's gonna be us leaving on our own accounts we're not going to go to mark and say yo mark you're at the group because such and such as it weren't you no it's not going to be a divide and conquer you're going to have us three and you won't have any of us so you know that's you know i mean listen we were all young and naive didn't know any better and that's the perfect time to strike against a young person when they don't especially we deal with a conglomerate the perfect time to strike is when all they want is jewelry and cars and to have fun you know you can you can do that easily with them but um i think once we started growing up and seeing things for what they were um he wanted to disband the group and get away from us and we damn sure wanted to get away from him you know okay but marquis d did leave the group after that mark rustic who as a matter of fact it was both who came to me and said mark wanted to um do some stuff outside the group at this point i was burnt to hell out anyway i didn't even want to do music anymore i just wanted to hang out and still be young and have fun while i can you know what i mean um so
buffcomes to me one day i'm...
outside cleaning my car whatever he said yo d this is what it is mark said he wants to do some solo stuff i'm like good i couldn't be any happier for him because i don't want to do this right now i don't want to do another album right now i just want to chill you know um so and pretty much that was my thing all the time anyway it was me
buffand mark and at times where there was only us in our hotel rooms and us just kicking it and talking that's the best time i had you know it's just us just growing growing up together and growing in the music industry together so when i never looked at anything as um when people would say you guys are successful you guys are celebrities or whatever i'm like nah we're from the block we're from east new york me ain't no we ain't no hollywood cats you know it's just me
buffing mark and you know that's what it was and i just like hanging with them i just like being around them so when mark said he wanted to do his thing i said cool i support it let him do his thing um you know he's going to do it regardless he don't need my approval but you know right because he went on to actually produce mary j first single real love he also said mariah carey and a bunch of other stuff yeah and and and he had his own hit song on his own so yeah so thank you yeah yeah yeah well you guys break up right actually we don't break up me and both stay together yeah you guys stay together but but mark...
marquith yeah so right around 1990 uh
buffy had a son with rapper female rapper queen penn right was feature featured on the song no diggity right exactly that was her big break right so then in 1991 you guys came out with your seventh album mack daddy which was just you and
bufflove and then after that you guys broke up right well mack daddy came upon because um we were running around like chickens with our heads cut off there's no structure um we didn't have no management it was just me and
buffand we was just somebody came to
buffand offered him all this money and said you guys want to put the album together so um i walked into an office one day and
buffis sitting there with stacks of money and i'm thinking there's some kind of drug deal about to go there i'm like that was going on yo d that's yours is mom you're gonna put an album together with these people it was on ichabon wreckage or something and so we put an album together and we didn't put no heart and soul into it we just pretty much just won the studio we was knocking out songs every day we did like maybe about 40 songs and we picked the songs that were on the album and but it wasn't really no love into it we didn't really put no effort into it um like i said we were i was pretty much done with the the whole making songs anyway you know um it wasn't exciting no more because mark wasn't there anymore um you know i just didn't have the i didn't have that...
love for it anymore so i see you know what the hell would it let's just do it um it's pretty good money you know and i'm still young so i'm looking at it like it's pretty good money and i shouldn't have been looking at it like that because i should have been putting my heart and soul into it but you know it is what it is you know well you guys break up and i think like the next year uh the movie boomerang comes out and uh chris
rockhad that famous line yeah you know this is eddie murphy movie so it's a big deal he's like oh man first the fat
boysbreak up and now this is sad yeah and jay-z used that on the song jay-z yeah in the heart of the city ain't no love yeah of course the fat
boysbreak up yep yeah uh prince marquee d drops the solo album around that time uh swing my way ended up being a hit right but then three years later uh december 10th 1995. right
buffy was 28 years old at the time right from what i understand you know at five foot four at this time he was 760 pounds no both fortune's that big
buffwas uh well prince prince marky d actually said that in a sway
interviewright um no i was with
buffum we went to the specific hospital um mount sinai was the hospital he went to in manhattan and
buffactually got on the scale he was 673 633 i was with
buffevery time we went to which of the doctor to take care of um his situation and they gave
buffthese these huge water pills this size and within a week he lost like 150 pounds...
of just pure water weight and um you know but it wasn't the weight that killed him that's what a lot of people think when they think of
buffuh passing away wasn't the weight
buffwas fighting the flu really bad he had the flu he came down with the flu really bad and he couldn't fight it he couldn't shut it off and he was um putting together some music um for our um reunion album so we were about to put a reunion album together mark was doing stuff on his on his behalf and um
buffwas putting some stuff together i had just saw a
buffthe day before he passed away
buffpassed away on a saturday i saw him friday and when i left off house like this strange feeling came over me i'm driving back to my crib and this strange feeling came over me like something something was wrong i couldn't shake it and so i got a phone call like maybe 1 15 1 20 in the morning my phone just kept me and i finally um no i went to voicemail and uh answered it through the voicemail i'm known for not answering my phone even back then but i answered i answered the voicemail and mark was like yo yo get to
buff's crib he's not breathing i'm like he's not breathing so i jumped in my car and i'm driving like damn near and i hit this huge pothole and bust my whole bedpan or whatever oil is flying out everywhere and i get to his house and i finally make it to his house and he's like laid out um with the you know he's he's dead you know he's...
passed away so his we'd be trying to get his son back upstairs his nephew because they're like you know little kids and i didn't i didn't even break down and cried i just stood i was just sitting there just you know you know looking at his body whatever guy just couldn't believe it at the same time it was like like i said that feeling that i had it was like i couldn't shake it and you know it was it was a sad situation because like i said we grew up together we we had fame together um and for it to come to this you know it was a really sad situation yeah i mean i thought it was really bad for his mother and his father because they loved
buffthat was their heart you know what i mean yeah sad i mean like i said 28 years old he didn't get to touch 30. yeah he's very young you know but i mean regardless of the flu being five foot four 633 pounds you know your body is not really prepared to deal with you know hardships yeah i mean if if um listen anything can i've heard of a guy who uh a figure skater who was six foot two 200 pounds of pure muscle
dyingof a heart attack so you know anything can happen you know what i'm saying it's just um you know it doesn't have to do all the time with health it could just something could just come on and boom you know there you go yeah well without a wake-up call like how heavy were you at the time when that happened when
buffpassed yeah i was like 190. okay so you were lighter yeah so you had...
already been losing weight i was lose weight since 87 yeah okay so you didn't need that wake-up call you were already knowing that you need to lose weight my wake-up call came in canada when i couldn't bend over the top of my shoe and i said enough is enough so i went home my mother she wasn't she she didn't give a damn about that fat boy stuff she wanted her child to live so she just went on me went with me on this journey to lose weight and um you know my weight fluctuates how i can gain weight but i can lose weight quick cuz i know what to do but um so i just made the conscious decision to start losing weight i remember my manager one time saying that um you know you're giving away false advertisement because you're losing too much weight i'm like dude i mean you know damn 400 pounds man you know what i'm saying so yeah you know and then february 18 2021 right uh prince marky d ends up
dyingat age 52 uh one day before his 53rd birthday yeah were you guys still close we were close but me and mark like i tell anybody me and mark had this kind of relationship i would call mark we would talk and then we wouldn't call each other again for like a month and pick up the conversation where it left off yeah so anyway you know that's the kind of relationship we had and um the thing is mark me and mark never hung out like that off tour it was always
buffwe'd be on a three to four month tour and
buffwood we'd be in the limousine coming...
back from the from the airport and i'm like listen i don't want to see you for maybe two weeks i've seen you every day every day within an hour
buffis at my house yo gee let's go hang out and i do i i just so mark i didn't see mark until we went back out on tour had to do things so that's how that's the relationship me and mark had but we were really close the last thing i asked mark was does he want to do a song just put it out and he said why would we put a song out i said i was really like really just seeing where his head was at and i gave him my idea about the song he said he liked it he said y'all like that and i said well you know let's think about it see if we want to do it or not and um i seen him on facebook i mean on ig live instagram live a couple of times and you know always took little digs at him you know made a little jokes at him but then um i left my phone at work and i didn't know what the hell was going on i didn't know what was going on and so when i get back to work the next morning um somebody had definitely picked up my phone but i'm saying one of the co-workers or whatever and i plugged in the phone and all these text messages i mean there's like my phone was like beeping like it was no tomorrow like a vibrator was going off through the whole phone and i read one text message because like i said i had no idea what what just happened and somebody said yo i'm sorry to hear about marky d man...
i'm like sorry yeah but i'll go to the next test message yo
rockum mark passed away so i'm not even thinking mark my boy you know i'm not it's not registering so i'm going through these different text messages my condolences oh man i feel so bad for you i'm like what the so then um for some odd reason i i thought like maybe if i see this on tmz maybe it solidifies it and i saw it on tmz i was like oh and yeah it just it just tore me apart it it it it not only tore me apart it just put me in the frame of mind the first thing i seen was his face like his young face like that little little uh wicked smile he had and i started thinking about us just playing football on the block us just chasing each other all day on the block and um i was you know it was it was it just it just it caught me off guard and i went into the one of the other rooms and you know i just broke down because it's like it it just i'm like how can it all end like this you know so you know it is what it is man yeah well i mean apparently he had heart issues leading up to that situation i guess he needed a heart procedure leading up to his death yeah uh i mean you know nobody wants to bury their child before them no parent wants that so i talked to his mother and you know she sounded like she was just rambling on about a big story about nothing but i understood that she didn't really want to talk about his his passion you know and so i just i i was on the phone with her...
and i and i listened to the whole story much the last like 20 minutes and it was a story about nothing but i understood what she was doing she was just trying to keep her mind off what was going on and you know it's um it's unfortunate because he i was talking to his ex-girlfriend shelly and he you know he loved shelly a lot you know shelley was his heart um after he after him and peppa broke up and you know shelly was his heart so he she was telling me that he was telling her that he loved her so much and you know all this stuff and leading up to this to his untimely death how much he was telling he loved it and said he saw it so you know you know mark's gonna be sorely missed because a lot of people loved mark a lot of people loved him you know he had that that that way about him he could walk into a room and make everybody feel uncomfortable you know um feel comfortable and he wasn't like he wasn't about the bs and putting up this whole front and whatever um my thing with marcus mark was one of the funniest people me and mark has so many inside jokes what happened with us is that what what what went on with us was that we used to go overseas and we hated going overseas so we'd be there like two months at a time so to entertain ourselves me and mark would just stay up in each other's room until like three four in the morning and make up all these characters these crazy characters and make jokes out of them and so um we did all kind of jokes about...
a guy named mr pop she was a zillionaire who was funding us money and all this kind of crazy stuff so a lot of stuff that i've missed um that's the stuff i missed about mark it was like the the the conversations we had the time he came to me about his breakup with pepper how destroyed he was and i made him he was drinking the coca-cola at that time and i made him laugh and all this soda went through his nose in his mouth because i i made a choke while he was serious about his breakup so you know um him and
buffgoing back and forth all the time and just arguing about nothing this guy had some of the biggest arguments about nothing i'm like what are y'all arguing about oh man he said this i'm like you know what whatever so um mark was just a funny kid he was a funny dude you know yeah i mean sad 52 years old how does it feel to be the last surviving member of the fat
boysi don't i don't really look at like the last survivor because my thing is um the legacy of the fat
boysjust solidified you know we went on a five album run of of successful albums that's hard to do for anybody even now so um the music is still there the music is still there um but of course we'll never perform any of them on stage again but the music is still there and people are gonna um love
buffand they're gonna love mark forever my nephew he was telling me yo yo uncle i didn't know how much love you had man y'all y'all got people was pouring out and...
you know right now i'm just putting together something this summer um in honor of mark and ecstasy of houdini who passed away at a young age so i'm trying to put something together this summer and making the annual thing after that and um so we're gonna try to work on that this summer hope
fully all this craziness will be over and everybody can go back to having fun without the mask being on and you know we have just throw a big old cookout for all the we're gonna honor all the the classic hip-hop artist from you know cool hulk on down to um whoever you know what i mean so that's what we're planning on doing right now and i just want to give mark a really big send-off because he didn't have one in brooklyn his funeral was in um miami and i want to give him a really big send off in brooklyn where he's from you know what i mean so so that's what i'm working on now and the documentary i'm trying to get the documentary out there for the fat
boysdocumentary and um you know put that out there let people know the the inside people have this this one dimensional viewing of our group like we only rapped about food or something but you know we made some some dope songs you know what i mean so yeah well cool
rockski man what you guys put together you know not only being the first rap group to go gold but really expanding how people look at rappers like when you see biggie fat joe um big pun right heavy d the you know these these large rappers...
who became sex symbols in their own right right right you guys opened the door to all that you guys were the trendsetters and created all that created dope music created timeless music music that a lot of people sampled like i said from drake to everlast to beastie
boysto drew down right and whoever else will sample it in the future uh you know burr stikum like you hear that people like quoting that in songs you know that type of thing man it's crazy i can go on stage right now and just say put it up stick them and maybe half the world would say hi yeah exactly exactly uh you know creating timeless art man that's what every artist uh strives to do man and i'm very sorry for your loss uh losing
buffy when he was only 28 losing prince marky d at 52 this is way too young uh for us to be
dyingthese days especially
buffy you know so i know i know that must weigh on you yeah um you know the thing is it's trying to get people to be physically activated at our age um even 40 and over we can't do the same things we did at 20. we can't eat the same way we can't drink the same way we can't drink a gallon of hennessy and go and go to bed right after that we can eat a big-ass meal and go to bed we gotta get ourselves activated and get ourselves walking get ourselves on a treadmill get ourselves outside and doing some kind of exercise because like i said a lot of people don't understand how many people love them as far as their family members their...
children their you know their mother and fathers that need them so i try to stress this to people all the time you know i go to the gym a lot and i don't go to the gym to get a specific kind of look i just go to the gym to get my heart rate going so that's why i go to the gym but i'm trying to get people to understand that um you know eating right and and um exercising it it's not going to hurt you so you know whatever time you get you got an hour to spare you know go to the gym you know um buy a treadmill do something you know drink more water um so like i said we're at an age now where there's no more playing around you know i'm saying we got to get serious about our health and that's what i've tried to stress to people you know oh yeah no i lost 20 pounds since the start of the pandemic because i'm like i saw early on there were specific links between
dyingfrom covet and obesity now i wasn't obese but i was 20 pounds overweight so so i lost it uh you know i started eating different i saw my cholesterol was a little high recently so i'm changing around my diet going to more of a plant-based diet and let me tell you i mean i'm 47 you're 55. you look great you know yeah you really took care of yourself i'm 54. 54. sorry sorry you know what i mean thanks man but like i said i tried to um you know i i drink so much water man you would think i'm a freaking whale so it's like that's that's what i do i...
mean black coffee and water did i go hit the gym after work and you know just do things to keep my mind activated because um what just transpired what just happened with mark it weighs on me like damn near every day you know and like i said it didn't have to happen but um in life these things happen and there's nothing i can do or he could have done to control it at that particular time because what's going to happen is going to happen um so um like i said most of the time i go to the gym just to get my mind clear because um you know i said he weighs heavy on my mind and and i just feel i get emotional if i sat around i would be crying all day so i got to do something to keep myself going you know and it i looked at the movie um cooley high and at the ending when the alby there came on and you know and the guys running that had me in tears because it was like i've seen that in myself almost when the guy's running and you know so like i said a lot of things i just try to keep myself going and um that's why i changed the name back from fat