Kevin Chiles Explains Alpo, Rich Porter & AZ, Early Crack Era, Snitch Vs Witness & More

I told you, I was a mentor and straight up mm-hmm my brand when I saw they did it back then, a generation before us, you know, they all had stores, like when I would go hang out with him, he would stop and go to the store. and this restaurant or this dry cleaner or whatever the case may be, then they all had business now you would be one of the first people in the game and you would be close to your uncle, did you ever know? I know the word

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probably doesn't even exist yet 100% like this was, did he institute like when in your learning of the game he also instituted that kind of feeling of standing on the game or did he just understand you before we do what we do and like men?

We're going to follow whatever comes to your mind, you know you'd get in trouble for telling your brother, even in school back then you used to say, yeah girl, there was something that preceded all that, I guess that's the way . We were raised, you know, you know, because part of our meeting and, as you know, I've had, I've had these debates and I've had, um, you know, my son, you know how this all started, was my son? wrong and I jumped the first time and I said and I think I said I think he may have used the word

snitch

and I think I said I'll pose the name right and then he said it person and maybe FactFinder, okay and then what came out of that was that had happened and no one had commented on it as it happened, it happened, it was gone and then I think it may be Father's Day and I saw a young man who said he talked about Apple on his page and that made me think about what I had felt about our survey and his influence on the music game and I wasn't 100% familiar with his drug game, but in terms of that, I guess I focused on the fact as well. that when he was first arrested I remembered or they were looking for him for an exam, I didn't hear the word snitch and I felt like I was being influenced by a lot of the younger generation when they said I was hearing it like that.

A lot of what I said that day and then took it back, well you know what it's not? what I would know about him and I too with Vince Vince, a thick thick Mensa, I'm sorry Vic, I didn't mean to tell you that you knew that we were just doing yeah vic mensa i guess in his rom he admitted he would have even brought up the conversation he mentioned. Alpo and mentioned Jimmy henchman and I felt that he was young and I said: how is this? How is it related to that? brother quickly cooperated Roberts of the difference I mean, I'm looking for a definition from you if there is a difference, yeah, so I guess I would even suggest to you that I was, I was in that Dave that just snatched from the DC brothers and that was it .

Ok, well, wait, wait, wait, this is it, this is the look. I am explained about how he had seen me before. I can't speak from experience. I'm just speaking from the outside, looking in, and I guess you know that and maybe I don't. I don't know all the facts about him and Wayne Perry and his affiliation there, but I guess when I saw, I saw, I felt like there was some kind of problem before the snitch, I mean, if you go, if he left town for DC and then I guess when you have a DC brother on board and then I guess you have this DC brother on board, now there are situations that are happening within DC.

I felt good, I have this guy on my team, but now he's kind of helping. I move around in his city, sure, okay, so it was an awkward combination for me. I know how you feel about that. You ask me. Does that exempt you from that? Yes, I ask you what you feel, what you feel. It doesn't matter, I wouldn't give a damn what planet you are from if you and your person joined a syndicate to do something

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specific, erm, who was holding you down and keeping you safe. There is no scenario situation that I can describe that I would ever do. make it acceptable in any aspect it's absolutely none now or anything now and that's the worst guy now when you say the worst guy what's the worst guy this man was holding you back if it wasn't for him you wouldn't even be able to I moved to that city, so being that is the biggest betrayal, and I mean, snitching is not acceptable under any circumstances in the lifestyle that we choose, we choose to play a game within some parameters, so you know you can't betray anyone like you.

No I'm trying to say it's just not acceptable and this is what we approve of so it's not like you know you can justify that like when they arrested me they locked up my whole family um everyone everyone my house with the kids and they said, hey, you have to do whatever it takes because you save them from having to go through this and as a man who knows, I would know how I feel, it just wasn't acceptable and you know I would have to apologize. My son's mother and I had a 17-room mansion and my whole family lived in my house they came all the kids had to find someone to come take care of the kids you know this you know he's capable of solving this but now You know, but under that kind of duress and pressure like it's not something they would have considered me, but to come back to him

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and be more specific at all, I wouldn't care what he planted on you, I'm not going to go. a because because whether you start with that I am from this other project you from that side of the project I am from the fifth floor you from the fourth floor how would you know that there are no acceptable circumstances now I always felt with the people in this situation I just like it I feel like some of these people because snitching has become popular right over the years it feels like a start to become acceptable the narrative is changing people are trying to find justification for what's happening my belief is that the people who are creating this comment are not people with a correct lifestyle.

I agree with that, look now, if you have a person listening to this interview and then you create a set of circumstances and you say to that person, hey, you know I was going to give me 30 years the person on the other end of this interview the listeners Those who were beaten were scared, true. 30 years old, yes it is, but 30 years shouldn't be like that for the interviews that participate in this lifestyle, you know, I mean why don't you just not live every day if we go outside you couldn't be 30 years you could have lost your life you know, I mean, a lot of people do it and a lot of people knew it, I mean and those who didn't There are a lot of the guys that I really appreciate, you know, they are infinite or they are full of trees mmm, what They didn't snitch on anyone and in fact received life sentences that never came home, now you are a person who has gone through this whole ordeal at times.

I question people who haven't done it and are on that side of the fence of the drug game, right? And I feel like there are some people that have preached their whole point and then when they get hit, they see someone different and let's say he's in a 15 year career right and he's telling people all the time bro, this ain't what that you do well, but in that year 15 he did it, so what he was preaching is that he was never the one who said he was completely right and we

witness

ed that. that happened, but, of course, but now no, no, not that it's not right, but he was preaching something, he was like you're a different individual racism, say yes, basically what you're saying is he didn't have it yet.

Proven battle scars, yes, just like me. I feel like for many there have been a lot of people like the Italians and also in them, you know, the number is probably incredible of the message that we want to see on the news, but I think that each one of those gods was preaching, that's not what is known. It's supposed to be what you have to do to your team, agree 100% with you and people find justification in that and what I want to reiterate and the point I want to make is that this is not a conversation that can be had between people. in a civilian game and I'm trying to create an analogy that describes the differentiation between the two types of people who, like I said, commit these illegal acts mm-hmm you and I do whatever you do because you know I put my life on the line in so many cases that you know, you know these are people that I felt like I loved and I would have lost my life for them and I thought they would have lost a life for me because I was intoxicated and in love and so You know, you're in love with this lifestyle and You feel like you know and this is it again.

I mean, I'm a young individual. I am a young person and I am very influenced and in the power of respect. You know all those things. what came with this simply began to inflate. I dislike this mentality, you're not, I'm trying to say it, so I remember times when my life was at stake and vice versa and other people's, you know what I mean and and and and I felt like I was there It was nothing because I can compare myself with that I don't even and I'm ashamed of the status now, you know in retrospect, but not even my wife and my children felt that I didn't do it.

I didn't think I was going to make it. I had lived honestly enough and had committed to that, that was an acceptable reality for me and as ignorant as it may seem, that is a fact and I know I am not the only one who shares those feelings. I mean, like you know, this is my This is my guy, if you had a problem, you know, then we're going to solve it, how we're going to solve it, vice versa, if I had a problem, you know, they were there to help me and it was like if you only knew, and I think I think it's thoughtful.

That's what gang culture is now about, you know, I mean when I replaced that generation with this generation in gang culture, it's still that energy, you know, I mean, it may not be, it may not be motivated by money. , but it's just that feeling that I had with someone that you feel and Ryder died, right they held you and you, my God, you know, I mean, and I have you and no one's been in that valley, you know, you know, that's what it was, that was the energy that was there. I know you know you're one of the few that served your time and you'll feel like you know you served your time and you still have that feeling on the outside like I feel like that cold is still with you.

Absolutely, but those who had that cold came in for a while and then that code changes winning in that everyday life when they're there. No, I forgot about the guy who would set the times to cover the Times. Magazine yes, and then he came in and after being inside for a while that's when he started bending and counting, but guys, by the way, the person who claims the reason he counted is a woman named Shemekka, who was like his la lover mm-hmm and the guy Fisher was like his lieutenant, he was a younger guy who was down with him, he actually went to trial with him in his first case when Nicky was convicted, the guy was the only one in that case who was Acquitted, the guy turned around.

At home guys, actually the guy who bought the Apollo, oh okay, they named him back then, yeah, he actually bought the Apollo and rumor has it that it's not a scent fact, but that guy was supposed to be messing with this young girl that Nikki had been when she came home and didn't take care of him, I think that's what justified her reason for telling him because she didn't just tell one guy you know 20 other people so it's okay God. it does. What he did with the woman, I don't know, the other 19 guys were hit with shrapnel, I guess I don't know, you know, but he'll have time and the first case, but the guys don't really live in prison. now he is and he is an incredible individual, he is a serious guy, he is another one of these individuals for reference and he says how do you know these individuals that we are talking about, what have you believed that they are unique? civil, but like I told you, there are whole individuals from the Penitentiary that signed with a name Wayne Perry being one that listens, you know, I spend the rest of my life in prison before you bother my mother before you bother this person As you know, so I did I don't know, so please listen, I know, are you saying it?

There are times when people come in and everyone waits to leave the family alone, there are many of you who have it, even the protagonist is alone. but I want you to understand that this is really important when we talk, the first thing I told you flex was I said this is a phone conversation out of love and respect and I wanted you to understand so you don't make a mistake. At this point, I like 52 years old, you know, I spent 10 years in the penitentiary and now you come home, all your thinking is different, but when you're 20, then, when you're 30, 40, 50, but the reason why that we're here was to set a tone and I set the correction so here's the thing and I wanted to make sure we reiterate this right if a kid runs into a store and robs a store and breaks a man in the head and the mayor calls to the police, that guy is not a snitch, he is a civilian and has no other recourse now, when care speaks of the parameters and rules that we conceptualize in that life, it means that I am executing him to assault the place and they catch me and he doesn't, yes I tell him I'm a snitch, so there's a difference.

I've seen kids say oh yeah. They locked me up because I shot this. The lady at the supermarket told me she's a snitch and I'm like she's not a snitch. she's a civilian and she doesn't play by these rules and that's where the game isn't even the game if you play by those rules there are certain players you're playing a different deck of cards from a certain team there and we understood the game well by playing you understand that a game is real, it's like now. I have always listened to the debate and I will return toactually workers.

You know, it wasn't really that they were running the operation, not that it's taken out of nowhere, but I think and I don't think they would really portray that 100%, they were just saying their experience, but I think their fans, the fans, they took. Also, if I don't know anyone else and I don't know about anything and I don't know who was doing that, it must have been him, so I think that that you know has come into play and I don't think a lot of people think that an artist gets along well. and it succeeds and they never really clarify whatever it was and a lot of what's going on and a lot of them back off as you see it and they find themselves with I and I care, we always talk about this like the goal when you rush is get out if you have a conversation with someone who was receiving some kind of money and you ask them bro and when you say get out to get out of life start doing something like put that money into legitimate businesses so you don't have to stay in the corridor death to rise.

I think he had done it a little bit before and now he's in a position where he doesn't have to check his shoulder mm-hmm and I don't even think these kids really understand having the peace of mind, it's priceless now, that shows it's just a short clean look, just to be able to stress, you know how to move and you know certain moments, certain incidents. you feel everywhere you go if you walk into a certain environment you know to stand against the wall you go to the restaurant or you let me sit like this socks to the door that's innate and people who come from that lifestyle it's a It's second nature, but The goal of anyone who took this seriously is to get out of this, not you, so when you see a person who makes it and becomes an athlete rapper and then they get caught with guns and shooting people. me and for us and what it was really about was us looking at them like what's wrong with you because I'm really mad because I'm like, bro, you made it and you're not supposed to back down mmm you're supposed to.

Go ahead, you're supposed to elevate, you're supposed to show everyone that okay, I came from this environment and now I'm here, that's what I'm doing. I think some rappers in their

early

successful stages took some of their initial money and put it back in the hood to build up their team and then run around. They both know how to make music and they still have that hand in the street, you know, but that's what I saw, no, and I understand that I saw it happen even happening that, but that's like winning the lottery and then saying, "I'm going." to get some birds for my man zone again.

It doesn't make sense. The thing is, you guys didn't have that option. No, you didn't have the option of I can. I'm going to Guin, the music business, next week. because he I was in the music business, but you know, but let's say at the time when you were driving around your uncle you didn't feel like that was an option for you like I could make music, no, not there. I know I think. that kids now in that

early

stage feel like they do it. It's like I'm rapping about my experience in this early stage and for some people it catches up.

You know, it's, it's, uh, it's. It's worked for some and it doesn't. I mean that's the way you should go, mom says that's where I believe some of the young girls and I feel like I understand it, but I'm just saying it's like winning the lottery and then going to Boston, but if you won a lot, you won the lottery, yeah, it still doesn't make any sense because the point is to get paid and keep getting paid and not have to worry about someone kicking your goalie. or look, even if you win a lot, you still have to watch out for people who want to steal from you, but more or less your goal is to get out and come here to live this way, so you have to deal with all the tragedies tragedies in which he just alluded to it, you know, going back to Kevin's earlier words.

I'm going to come in with the word snitch right now. Do you have documentation about Alpo's cooperation in your case? Yes, did you know that? this like you're on trial and first of all give me what you know because then the way we can really understand this right now what year were you arrested 94 94 then and 94 were you arrested give me the give me the scenario like where are you at the moment in which this happens? Well, actually I was arrested on 18th Street, 5th Avenue. I mean, that really converged on me and it was November 1, 94. Okay, so this happens.

What was your position? accused of what is called CCE it is called a continuous criminal enterprise it is like the highest charge that can be charged as a capo what score do you have is that those numbers are in the eighth 48 48 well, now this is also a loan curtain This is what I think I will file charges with due intelligence and I think I think he told me that was his charge, let's go beyond that, that's what El Chapo was accused of, okay, so we can file charges as soon as possible. more possible now if your convict is under that charge, what could life not bring you, no matter how old you are, no matter how old you are, you are fine, then you are convicted of this charge.

How do you begin to see that Alpo is involved in your case? Well, it's a process called discovery and they arrest you. They started. disseminate discovery usually when you first get it this is what your attorney does you look at your complaint and what the complaint is hey I have a loan even when looking into it they give you what's called a complaint and you read it, it describes well what they are. They are investigating you for two years two years so for us 92 to 94 so when you are reading this complaint names are omitted but there are situations that occur, you know me, so there are no names, but yes, so you know who was there, you know who was in that. situation and that's done for the sole purpose of you not wanting to go to trial and see what we have on you, you might want to plead guilty and the federal government is 96 97 98 percent it all depends on the state you're in. is found. from the conviction rate mm-hmm so when you read this information you see yourself reading about scenarios and different things that happen so you know who was there like I was reading it I know who was there I know who I did it with yes I did it so it's not too hard to find out, but like I said, most go a handful, okay, I got you, in most cases you read this in your complaint and will probably start trying to negotiate a statement.

Did you negotiate a statement they offered you? I was 25 years old and that was the best player they offered me and I thought I couldn't accept 25 years, you know, I just couldn't understand a concept again. He was 27 at the time and in a few days I'll be 28 and I'm late. I just don't see myself coming home, dad, no, and you have to imagine going from one end to the other by running down the streets you just owned in the The world told us about you in this cage and the next thing you know someone tells you that you won't come home for two and a half decades, it just wasn't something I could conceive in life, so I couldn't accept the plea, you know?

This is after me, I evaluated it, so you wanted, now you would go to trial. What happens now when you go to trial? I have a my first trial ended in a hung jury mistrial hung jury now when it's 100 Emmys they couldn't make a decision I wonder if not all 12 people can come to a conclusive decision, okay? So now you go to trial again and what happens there. I got another hung jury, so how did it happen then, buddy, third trial, no, after the second trial, you and I and my lawyers discuss my options and he tells me the government's position, obviously you know, and ironically there is money being spent here absolutely anyone who knows anything about a federal case knows you know just for the LOI to come look at you and hold you they have to give you 50 grand so you know I spent a couple hundred of thousands, you know, it didn't matter how much money I could have gotten out of one of my Liberty's, you know, I'm serious, when it comes down to it and this is where a lot of people go broke fighting. the government because you know you want your freedom and then you don't just want to try to get something reasonable, you know, I mean, that you can live with and hopefully come home one day, you know, you know, you know, get your life back, but anyway my lawyers had a conversation, we mean, he was telling me what the government's position was and I and I told him what my position was and I was like, you know what I feel, that we could beat him, you know, I really felt you know it over and over again.

I have no experience I know nothing about the federal government, you know everything except the same things we've seen on TV, the things I heard veterans before me say and I want to fight this. He tells me that the judge spoke. I suggested to him that you know maybe I need you to reconsider what they offered me, which was reasonable and you know the 25 no, okay, so now that the 25 no more, I mean, it's only because it's the third test and with a lot of money . that wasn't spent much and, you know, we didn't, they probably felt like they didn't have a strong enough case to get a conviction, you know, so that's when it gave me some leverage to negotiate a little bit.

You know, if you had come back and if they had hung us again, they could have come back as many times as they wanted or if now or but it was a possibility, you could go back and get a not guilty, that's a possibility. So they felt like that was possibly up in the air, but it's just that that's how the dice are rolled and what my lawyer told me was like we're not Kevin, if this goes wrong, you know you're going to hate. Yo, if it went wrong, RIP your guarantee on the 2500, so if it is, when you were doing those two times, you're in that room thinking if they get out right now, I'm going to spend my natural life in jail every day.

The time they called when I was deliberating on the word civil, did you use it before? And you know, I know what I told myself, yeah, I'm still like that, but when he said it, I didn't like it at all, it felt so right. Me, if I'm wrong, you might have a reason. You decided to cooperate absolutely fine and you wouldn't have been watching that. I was probably at home as the guy who snitched on me who went home, so you were the one who chose. In that case, I'm looking at the natural life to be behind bars and say: I'm going to continue, I'm not going to give up on anyone and I'm going to accept whatever comes to me.

Absolutely my brother, your strong brother and a firm brother, because that's what you know, I'm still thinking. You look at that 25 when you're interested that's less the offer if you don't continue if I don't go to trial because you don't want to spend the money right wow what was that feeling brother when you were waiting for that room to come out and you're looking at those faces and China Reed waiting in the goal I am very spiritual stop believing in God and everything else in the point and that is maintaining a thousand you know because it is an unfathomable reality do you think about it but me?

I can't imagine it and every time it's like no, I mean, when I can't, I can't even, I can't even, that's when you start to ask, the contemplation of suicide starts to appear in some of these cats like you honestly know that that it is not really. It's true because there are a lot of guys that when I got locked up back then we still and we're still friends, you know, and they still call me, reach out to me so you know, that day, you know what, honestly, that's why I'm here. right now mm-hmm there are so many haters right now they are raising a fist like cap man please how are you doing it represent us and clean this up he gave me this what was the first thing I said to you when I saw you flex I said listen?

Clarify this now. I said it's okay to say you're not from that life and you don't know. Let go. I can't comment, no, I know, but you know, I guess listen, I am. I say it from the self. I've never been, look, I've done my own street bullshit, but I've never faced anything like that, you know, so, um, that's definitely, you know, I don't know what that feels like and I guess, and I don't believe. Look, the superficial distinction is obviously not a good thing and I guess, you know, the book of

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es died, so it's hard to know that I don't have my assumptions.

I look at my, I told you what my thing was. At eight I'll take the snitch and I guess I'm just looking for it so I don't erase what's his from the civilian or what's for the music, but I guess at the end of the street and where he did it, where. he was with individuals, there is something else happening that is null and void if you defeat others in your position, so you get to the third, the 33rd is not going to happen, is it? What did he offer you that you weren't? come back or give you a choice what's the deal now this is an interesting story I told you my lawyers and I went back and forth and I'm adamant that you know I want to go to trial I think we can win you know hmm one time it was six six the other time it was eight four and you know he says they are my favorites, he tells me a for your favor six no favors good six six six divided the first time correct a four and he's like Kevin, that's good, but you know what I'm, you know, you know, and again my lawyer and I, Anthony Rico, his name is by the way, you know we became friends, you know, he wasn't talking to me like my lawyer was talking to me, like I guess. the father was his son, you know, mm-hmm, we became very close and he, he, went beyond the scope of what he had to do and made me go to court and they took me to the judges' room, the judge who was supervising. the case and you know why she had justI had to tell it and I don't know, you know what I mean, like me.

I don't know, but from what I understand, they needed money and I guess she was scared. You know, I mean, and you know, I think you know, she might have realized that she and how he was a boyfriend, what's my friend, we were. together you know that if she bought some time maybe she would run into us and this would maybe be diffuse, so you know she ended up taking them to my mother's house, God, I'm sure you know that all this becomes unexpected because she doesn't wait. to even come, she doesn't even know them to be honest, I don't even know how that turned out.

I don't even know how to earn interest in the house. I never really really knew how many That happened anyway, long story short, they end up breaking into the house, there's no money in there, you know, I would never keep anything in there and they end up handcuffing them, putting pillars over their heads and shooting them, you know, that's what She was there with her friend. I don't even know, I know, you know what that girl was, you know, I just, I don't know what that girl was, but she's the girl who just started and ended up surviving.

My theory was because you know this individual was speaking. Like he's just this guy and you know, and he and I have been in it, flapping around, that never goes with me, you know, but you still know he's dead, this is even happening now, I'm actually being sued by his capture, but that is. another story for another time but sued so you know I could send you two people were going to add that is a completely different story since I'm dealing with his sued but he had entered into the crime yes, but it's just about something else and neither I don't even want to do cocaine, shed light on the creep who doesn't make desserts, I didn't even get you that, but anyway, he was tried afterwards, yeah, he went to listen and I.

I'm saying this for the first time, you know two things and I probably shouldn't say this, but you know I have to say it so people can clear this up, this guy went out for a run, you know, so people end up in the street and one of the guys is no longer alive and the other two ran away mm-hm and end up getting caught in different states, but whoever has to be dumb enough to not even understand that I would be spending the rest. from my life in prison that I ever had contact with him because I would have killed him and I sat in prison with my hands crossed behind my head, I didn't do that every day and I felt uncomfortable.

With that, many people exactly and I know those people knew it because again I'm going back to the time period where it took me nothing at all to take someone's life if that's what I chose to do, it was that simple so for anyone who wants to believe who would have fought against gold, that opportunity must be out of his mind. If I had the chance to kill the guy today, I would do it and I wouldn't lose sleep over it. and I wouldn't apologize and I'm going to go further to tell you once again my character and what kind of person he was.

I sat outside his building when this incident occurred and his mother left the building being assisted by another. Woman, an opportunity presented itself for me to have done something to him, I didn't even have to do it. I could have said anything would happen, but you know what I chose not to do that and that's all you know. Don't be sorry you didn't because for all I know he was an animal and she might not even be one. Men have been upset with him and not even you know, you know it, I say it so you know a lot of people, you always know it and these are my personal friends always told me how you know, I don't know if I would have been that guy held back, maybe I would have had to do things for a day, but my thing was her face, I just don't know if this was like I said, there are a lot of things like it's disgusting that she did, this guy homeless since he was born, who knows, You know, I mean, it just wouldn't have given me the satisfaction that it would have given me to have to stoop to their level and I haven't done something I've never done because, again, if you wanted to rob me, I have a store on HoN 25th Street every day. , you know it, you know me so you give up the debt to do this disgusting, you know me so you're dumb then and and and part of why they're suing me is good to make bad posts and some other dumb post and me and I check them in a way and the next thing I know he's suing me for liability because I said to his character Wow, so this is the kind of thing that's happening in 2017, so having said that, I don't even think it's now, so I can't say more because, from what I just told you about the mother characters, these kind of individuals, I don't know what anyone is doing out there doing something right now, they know like I know, you know, I mean, so I hope and the only reason I shaded I hope someone knows that this is unimaginable to the extremes. what people go to and the things they would do and at the end of the day it's, there's no more morals, there's no integrity, there's no honor, there's none of that, so just keep things like a phallus, you know, it what I'm saying and it's something You can see that I was passionate about it and what I believed in, but again it had nothing to do with that but with who I am as a person.

You know, I mean, I couldn't look. look in the mirror and be good, we haven't hurt anyone else, you know what I mean, or taken the toll on someone else or my problems on them and most importantly my kids having to walk down the street and having to wear that, you know, I'm saying, see when I see my kids, they were proud, proud of their father, you know me, I did it, I did it, I know what I did and what I did is cold America , my name is entak, you know anyone and you can walk down the street without people whispering. about them or feel some kind of feeling because like I said when I left the street, you know, the mother of my children still had to run in the same environment and a lot of times that's what happened, you know, people told people and then they put them all on. back in the same community to basically do what they know we're going to do to each other, you know, I say it like that and that's the sad reality of it.

I appreciate you coming with Claire, something my brother, get up brother and you've made me understand the difference, I hope so man, maybe I won't get any more phone calls about you, explain it oh man, I appreciate your time my brother, and I what you put in this magazine, you know, we see and it seems like you've been very positive and now you're moving forward absolutely you know what it is yeah, make sure you follow Dawn Diva magazine or the story, make sure you follow