Kevin Love on The Playoffs, Mental Health and Playing w/ LeBron | w/ JJ Redick & Tommy AlterJan 02, 2022
okay welcome to the old man and all three featured by the cash app episode seven
kevinthanks for joining us appreciate you having this beautiful house this is our first in person podcast we've done since march so we're super excited about this amazing what we're at uh we're at my house here in sag harbor um you've been spending the last uh couple of months here too uh have you had any have you had any fomo any jealousy of losing yourself
playingin the bubble yeah and i think a lot of the reason was because as you know it's just you know 10+ years in the league and they took it from me like that my 12th season ended abruptly i think uh on top of that we have young guys like darius garland kevin porter jr colin sexton, like guys in their freshman or sophomore year, 19 or 20 year old, who, uh, you know if it's kpj or if it's darius darius only played four games in vandy yeah and then kpj got suspended didn't play that m any game at USC , so neither They were even able to go through the league twice, you know, get to discover different guys, people didn't discover them, we just got a new coach and JB staff so it was actually me.
I think we were five and six or five and seven and 11 or 12 games where jb was the coach after the all-star break, so that in itself is tough, so we felt like we were just building, you know, small steps to get to you I know bigger and bigger steps but then it just ended so for me personally being 31, my 12th year in the league, it hurt and also as a team, a build up, it was really difficult from a coach's perspective. perspective, but especially for our young guys, it's like you know you have to get through that push through a wall to know to get to the next step.
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I mean, I know I certainly did. I had many failures. then he finally got over the hump but it's just hard h for those guys but everyone included who didn't do the bubble but i wasn't there so i don't even know what it was like phoenix phoenix is a good example of advent we don't know what's going to happen but the advantage is you would think they're going to have next year because this run I'm doing in the
playoffsis huge yeah I mean they have to finish they have to finish the season and the youngsters have 100 experience and I
lovehow they play, it's going to be if they're going to be able to get a continuation of how they play because of all the teams in the league and you do too, especially with lonzo, you just hit the head, hit forward and play. you try to get a layup and you have big passers either bi they're going down zion he's taking the big guy it's almost like blake is headless yeah and you had this monster coming at you and you have to you foul him or you put him on the line or you have a great passer that hits guys for t three and that's really conducive to great success for you too so I mean it's something that would have been great for us to be a part, but you know how to understand where we are as a league and try to get you to know the game. on teams and just knowing we wouldn't have a chance to make the
playoffson top of trying to stay safe with eight fewer teams I get that makes sense I'm not gonna lie I'm, I'm jealous I'm not in the playoffs yeah , I mean, I had this, I had this moment after we lost to San Antonio, where we realized we weren't going to be in the playoffs, um, and you know it was kind of emotional and then watching the games and seeing That level of basketball, you feel jealous, I think there are two components to that: the jealousy of not being able to compete and then there is the jealousy of relevance and feeling irrelevant and feeling very small, you know? that and I think particularly with you I think four final str aight yeah and then going from that to not being in the bubble yeah that's a big jump so that's exactly what I was going to say and on top of that not even we know if we're going to play until next march i know it's overkill but you know you need to know you understand the business side like gate revenue making everyone
healthy if we're going to know game 7 is on the 12th October that's the last day the season can end I think they came out even today or yesterday and the league said we won't start December 1st and I didn't think that was the case maybe because of the ratings and not competing with the football those kinds of things that we or the nfl could start at christmas obviously a great day to start but yeah i think as far as relevance you know the abrupt end of season 12 and the passing and you've been there before like if you really competed for some games it meant atives that's really been really hard for me to not be competing and
playingin meaningful games so i went six years without making the playoffs in minnesota and i had a moment when you said you know i had a feeling we're not going getting to the playoffs and how did that go against san antonio that happened to me i think it was my sixth year we were in memphis and we were right there but this is when the western conference was like 47 48 games you're the 8th seed you're san antonio a seed playing the eighth seed which is dallas and dallas still had dirk they had sean marion they had jason kit they were a great team tyson chandler still the whole thing so yeah it hurts it definitely hurts and as far as getting into our own bubble you know and you know playing against the other eight teams that's not the same it's just not the same as compe i'm watching the games now like luca last night it was amazing donovan mitchell had 50 again in the mis ma series like basketball at that level there's just nothing like it is when you're competing so let's talk about luke in a second memory very specifically in my free agency meeting with doc it's good wine by the way thanks by the way let's talk about wine too in a second i remember my free agency meeting with doc i had played my senior year around 50 and a few games for orlando we were going nowhere and then i went to milwaukee we got seat eight as a 37 and 45 team and what i was saying to him in the meeting was i just want to feel relevant again i want to be on a team that is going to make a run because we've had so many good years in orlando where you come in may and you're still playing and you play meaningful games all year and the feeling of playing bad games like nonsense is so unfamiliar um and that was really important and weirdly the team you know i was supposed to go instead. of the clippers it was the timber wolves with you yeah um that first strike the years before you went to uh before you went to cleveland the west i remember one year two to six you had 56 wins i know we were the three c through a playoff we played san antonio in the first round it was the six seats and they had 56 wins, no, it's, it was an amazing time to be in the west and then you know you said the east if you have 32 wins, you're the eighth seat, it's crazy, it was like we were far enough to the east that the timberwolves could be you know, in the eastern conference but no it was a really crazy time in the league it was so stacked up but now it's been a little change from paradigm and you have some kind of continuity on both sides and balance on both sides.
I mean a lot of these teams are great. Look at Toronto. Look at Boston. Look at Milwaukee. think about the teams in the west that didn't make the ab Solutely versus no disrespect, but the nets made it to the playoffs without their two best players, right? And they and they had a team that they played on, they played their hearts out in those bubble games, but from a talent level there's no comparison between the right. that nets team and some of the teams in dallas and your good team or dallas is the 7th season in the world yeah the 17th in the west or the spurs or a team like that or the suns that left in that run and so there's still a bit of a disparity yeah there's a disparity and you look at even the teams trying to play I mean on both sides there was five in the west one in the east so even from that perspective it's like you have such a discrepancy. even from seat eight nine to 10 to 15. yeah yeah yeah I think there's still a discrepancy but the ground that's been made up is pretty substantial I would say in the last couple of years but you know I got into the eu league and that was how i always talked about my welcome to the nba the timing was tim duncan that was our third game in uh maybe a run and you know we played a double overtime game we got beat tony parker he's 55 and i'm playing against you know what he's the most you know tim duncan i think he's the greatest power forward ever i think a lot of people would agree with that and this is center ok too tough a call i think he was center ok center ok pf slash to the center right depending on what the whole nba team asks for but i remember looking up, like i'm 27 and 17, like what's going on, like there's a lot of games going on throughout my career when I played against him and that was the case he was six blocks like he just did it and you don't even know that's happening but you know you know blake with the clippers you have pow and bynum with the lakers you have uh you know zebo and memphis you have paul millsap and carlos boozer with utah you have lamarcus in portland you have, uh, you know channing frye and gort in phoenix, who they are. -heavy as well as power forwards got into the western conference so every night I didn't get a night off who was the toughest guy to deal with uh kg no doubt I mean and I feel like a lot of guys say that zebo as blake has told me btw i'll say this that's actually yeah big point like getting into the league within my first 11 i think it could have been a dozen games i played uh tim duncan twice dirk and kevin garnett and i had to go up against them right away so i'm playing, you know, dallas in dallas against dirk and dirk's mvp, like in that caliber, top three or four every year and then kg that's the year that they won the championship but you know here comes this rookie he's a top five pick kg w like the number five pick he's a power forward he's in minnesota you know what he wanted to do with me and i had to go against that and he was, uh, you know, he was defensive player of the year that year and they won title tulo was also he was barking at you oh yeah yeah he barked at me just huh i mean one of the best competitors the game has ever seen but he is always yes always barking how many times throughout your basketball career going back to even when when you were a kid they called you white boy scumbag they called me white boy scumbag alot white boy who who who has the bite you know it's like white men can't jump so who has the chubby who's like oh he can really play I mean I feel like you can relate to it that's how I want to say it's just that it's fun don't be offended by that neither have I ever drunk even as a 13 year old yeah I just wanna say those two guys were just comp it's just what it's competing it's like it just had the spirit of competition and you saw harold approach luca the next game was like me it's just it's this is part of the game it's part of he the playoffs you talk about i thought kenny smith had the best opinion on this i didn't hear what he said basically he said the reason it's not that important is because he's not racist because there's no power in what he said right whereas he says that It's not stopping Luka from doing something right, yes, but I also think racism is putting one race above another.
I get the same opportunities that I get and listen, I don't think he was, but you might know that there have been times in my career where I've been a punk white kid. white ass bitch-ass white boy i don't know if i've ever taken it that far but i don't know this is what i always think about things in life in general let alone basketball like in terms of intent his It wasn't meant that I wasn't saying anything racist it wasn't meant that way it was like you know I'm getting the best of you you called me a failure earlier we're in a heated battle we're winning I'm breaking you like it's that's what It's I don't have a problem with that.
Can you try to put in context what we're at? I've witnessed with Luca during this series because the numbers are historic and he's not only getting those numbers, but he's getting them against a great defensive team, a defensive team. of the top five with two of the best wing defenders in the nba and they are controlling it. you're guarding it like you're going against you know a team like that and i mean you've seen uh doc especially how they get ready for playoff games ty lue is great ty lue is likeOkay we weren't getting the team of the regular season, but when it came time for the playoffs, he's like he's got this. his uh atos is just all he did just that uh it made more sense to move forward when we got to playoff time but luca is doing it against those guys and against the team like you said he's a top five defensively what he did yesterday was historic i guess you know but 40 15 and 10 it was just oscar and chuck so it's been 30 years since the thing was donehe did at a bad angle with the ankle without porzingis it's like you know you know he's going to step back you know the play is going to work out for him he's already 40. it's like of course that shot is going to go in, but he has removed himself from what I said yesterday, it's like being right on the cusp for as now a bona fide superstar like the numbers he's putting up right now, in the first round, lead his team to a seventh seed in a western conference, as we said, he was pretty heavy to play against a two seed where at his position he shouldn't be doing this, yeah, the way you look. on paper you're like okay this is kind of a sophomore matchup uh you know first playoff run first playoff run he's 21 he's amazing it's hard to put into words what he's doing because he doesn't HE. if you know we haven't seen it in a while or it might even come to a point later especially if they win I mean it's going to put it in a whole different stratosphere if they beat the number two seed for a team probably a lot of people said going in they were the overall favorites i probably mean vegas sage the title favorites yeah there you go do you think people in the league are surprised by this level of rise so fast i think everyone knows he's just amazing talent but i mean i personally am am am I'm shocked because normally I mean I spoke early like our youngsters who went through the league a couple of times and came back knowing what they have to work on and come back and then go through the league again and get off to a slow start. or islam i think you saw it with donovan mitchell who you now know like i said two 50 point games in the same playoff series but i like moving up so much so fast it's like i mean it's amazing they are things you only see in the true greats of the game i feel like the league is in very good hands very good hands um very good hands you know we mentioned suns before what devin booker did in the bubble was amazing um luca trey young of course um there are so many good players there are many in the whole league what are you?
Is there a difference maybe in terms of explosiveness but in terms of if you ask me about ERA no and ERA what's the difference between een james harden and luca oh wow i think that's the tradeoff there i am. I'm going to say no because they both have size. but he had his 66, he had 17 rebounds, yeah, it's like you normally give up something to have something, but he had 17 rebounds, people want to see all the stats he shot, like he had 17 rebounds. he can guard pretty much one to five at his size, he's got that big frame, he's got that size to him in a way that you don't normally see in that position, so like James, yeah, he's just built different. they're playing that brand and style of small ball they want to play and that's their identity but he's got some serious eyes on him where he can't compete against most fours james can and i feel like they both can do that so i mean that we'll see where you know because the tr ajectory isn't even here it's like that right now for luca but i think you know and obviously james came in as you know the third pick in asu six-man for a team that was great came to the final so we don't know what he would have been like being the first choice from the start but it seems like lucas figured it out at such a young age, it's, it's, I don't know how far the comparisons go but that's about it. like what they do and what they add to their team that's pretty nice just thinking about the way they play and the skill set and if you look certainly at their shot chart it's like going back threes yeah set and freeze invest in a step back thats brad yeah that was awesome invest in a step invest in a step back i love it its so true do you think you think kawhi is going to go all over him the next two games like whats his whats if you are if your doc what is strategy honestly i say take i mean listen it's a lot of pressure say okay go ahead go out there and protect a guy who just did that but i'm saying uh yeah , you want to make a difference to Paul George like I'm putting you on him and I'm saying I don't even want to say that's what I did in the final in 2016 it was like you know I had this concussion I'm I'm kinda bad I'm out of rhythm I'm having a hard time I'm going to concentrate on defense, so like game five, that's all I did. to catch up he's paul george like we've seen before like it's gonna happen but you want to win let's just get through this series so let's beat you who's taller who you are you're first team all the defense, i know kawhi but kawhi scoring. the ball right now he is he is you know how to play very well he had a career year we are going to let him be kawhi we are going to give all the energy he can to the final offense and if pg is struggling he needs to lose control we need to put to someone else on him, so be it, but i would put it personally, that's why i will never be a coach, but i put it, i put it on luca, i like it. by the way we are drinking um domaine du jacques which is a burgundy red you know i can never i know what they are i can never pronounce i am terrible at it he is the only person yes no but you are the lo i try but we had this conversation with d wade yeah a couple weeks ago like you're exceptional at pronunciations compared to everyone else yeah i'd say it was pretty good although you probably rehearsed it in front of them you just compare . yourself like sommeliers and the best we're normal people drinking wine like we don't we're not on the same level it's just that it's a nice red burgundy everybody's a pinot noir yeah there we go um come on Let's back up a bit, back up a bit. he went to ucla and played with russ, you guys were roommates along the way so you probably got to see a side of him that most people don't get to see and i actually had dinner with him randomly one night in the bubble he was like standing by our table for an hour talking to tj and doug mcdermott tj mcconnell and doug mcdermott was like russ at some point you can just sit so he sat down and had some wine with us it was really my first time interacting with him and i came out of it thinking to myself wow this guy is totally different than anything i've ever experienced, any interaction i've had with him on the court, yeah when did you realize he was cut from a different cloth, so i had i've been on several unofficial visits i had been actually it was my only official visit i remember my first day on campus i'm walking beer and walk i'm going to my first history class and you know something like that how i traded with our academic advisor who was more my therapist than academic advisor because i was a student athlete not the other way around um and he made fun of my clothes i'm this 18 year old guy from portland oregon who doesn't know you know how to dress look at russ now It's funny but like my bad this backpack of tops from the all-american game you know it's everything so I was like alright let's hit the court let's play five in the wood center or let's play five in the men's gym men remember which was like crazy so that was the first time i ever saw it and they always put 5 ucla guys up against 25 other pros or if usc came they would put their guys up but i can remember that first day it was like you know jordan farmar uh baron davis um you know some other point guards in the league might have been rafer who was in orlando at the time um but he was just grabbing a rebound at the top of the square and knocking him down kind of polls dribbles do on the court getting up gett ing way above finishing with his left just his body body control how it happened uh you know what i was willing to face even in an open gym i thought i was like wow this kid is going to be amazing so when people ask i'm going to go who do you think is going to be some kind of break up no one really knows that's the easiest question i'm going to answer all year is russell westbrook so darren collison went down i think he twisted the mcl russell went down charge i think for the first one it was like a dozen or a little less games played as a base and then it just went away it just went away after that i have a similar story because it happened at ucla it was after my freshman year um and i was in huh what do you call it? the men's gym the men's gym is ok the man is just an activity center which is the wooden center which is kind of downstairs where we have practiced but then the men's gym is upstairs. so the ucla guys were a team and when the pros were rotating in and out and there were a lot of great nba guys there um and russ was the first time i went i was going kg yeah i was coming in the second russ year so he had played his freshman year that was yeah and i thought that guy is the best player on the court yeah against every player in the nba it was the same summer when it was i mean possibly could have been there but he was like you said at one point the best player on the court and by the way he's my age actually he should be, you know, high school class of 2007 but it's crazy you you were, you were, oh eight, oh, class of eight draft, oh a draft, yeah, where would you rank class of draft 08? all time i think all time like 84 yeah 84.96 both probably not next i was going to say top five top five top five i don't know if there's another class maybe we haven't seen it play out yet yeah huh like the class luca i don't know who else is in it besides trey so kind of group how will that play out but as far as right now um yeah top five well you guys had a bunch of us were looking into this yesterday , they had a lot of big guys in that class not even lottery across the board who are still like ibaka was there yeah dj was there dj was there yeah brook lopez robin lopez yeah there is a kind of deep sleepers like danilo galinari, eric gordon yeah you know guys like that you know they've had great careers great careers what was you when they hit campus early on y'all were amazing from the jump yeah I I mean we were classified icated at number one and what was your final record 30 and four 35 and four 35 I think 35 before you were surprised at how quickly I adapted to that game not because I had been eh and playing as if my father had always made me play like that that my brother was three degrees older than me eh young for his age but three degrees eh my eldest and we my father says yes you are not to play with these children you are going to play upstairs go I don't care they can kick your ass that's how it's and my dad had the presence of me like well the best basketball players the players are going to be downtown it's just the That's like yeah here you go I'm just gonna leave you figure it out so he did that with me , he made me play, he made me play against high school students when I was 13 14 years old. 7th grade, he made me play against NBA players. uh you know luckily you know I had a coach in high school who was uh you know at the time I was in high school but he was coming through and he allowed me to play varsity or at least play practice against and then you know the blazers were down the street so I was able to and luckily I had a friend who, uh, you know, every once in a while had seeds on the court and it was like here come check this out like this that I had a first time, you know, you know very, very closely. let's talk proximity to like okay let's see shaq let's see y'all being me I was like okay I've got a lot of work to do so yeah obviously it took a lot of work to get to that point but I think playing with my brother was something very, very important to me, I don't.
I know if that answers the question but you mentioned uh when you were talking about the rust story walking across campus you mentioned your just plain clumsy and clumsy at that age yeah my mom had cut my hair I was like 35 pounds heavier that I. Now I'm like it worked, it worked very well, but I knew I was going to transition and play at a very high level in college. I just knew because all the guys in front of me were going to be top 10 picks. i felt you knew i could not only compete with them but get the best out of them i told
tommythis last night he said this was a bad draft topic i said we should draft with kevin thebest shine the best oh im in the best best training body the best you're shining to be fair i honestly remember my first haircut when i got to ucla i had uh actually one of my dad's friends was like i'm gonna take you to carson he took me to our big hello to our people, the barbershop and carson, and i remember walking in there like, well, what do you want?
I know I have this facial hair, I don't know what to do with it, so they gave me this chin strap. I came back to the weight room the next day everyone was looking at me like who do you think this guy is but no that was looking back I mean it's really funny because as you know I'm a little erratic here so when I arrive. it was so bad but looking back i want to say you're so much bigger too i wasmuch bigger you're much bigger yeah i mean i'm very my all my family there's a little more size and girth on my dad's side but like my dad he's a string but he's like corey brewer's body he's like six nine and i mean i was just so skinny the rest of my family is so skinny and then somehow i ended up like this but i'm thankful i did because my size has helped me succeed you had early success in the nba and then you did your body transformation yeah and your looks you know what i mean sure this guy is delicious just the look is yeah the undercut beard haircut not just im saying this you are probably now in between top five as most likely to be in gq yeah stylist dude you see. at italian fashion week all that stuff as a freshman new year kevin freshman year from minnesota kevin i dont think anyone at first looking is going to make that prediction you would be in that place he knew i knew i just looked at myself in the mirror no i honestly never could have thought of that too besides what was what was what was motivation transformation honestly there was no motivation no but just like oh to be in amazing shape because let's be honest a lot of young people to 19 or 20 years old you're averaging a double double your sophomore year or whatever like you're not thinking of yourself oh I have to completely change my body I've already succeeded I'm fine I'm fine for the next 10 or 12 years was having to adjusting to the new game was pace and space i mean it was just the game was getting so fast everyone was like oh bring back fat kevin love it's like yeah okay but you know see you know , jackie mcmullen made a story this year and she, you know, she was wondering because I was one of the uh, you know guys after Dirk, you know four or five guys that really started shooting 3s at a high rate, like really shooting 3-pointers, uh, you know especially, you know, you know, I think one year I shot over 500 3-pointers in a season um and in the p lowest forward position.
I don't know how many guys had done that before you knew it. I guess that was something I considered in addition to my body not always feeling right. after about 60 games I'm like okay I have too much weight on me and I like to move with these smaller four guys or you know teams that play small ball playing the traditional five and really four guards maybe all four men a small forward I thought which is ok i have to keep enough weight on me that you know how to sustain and still get the best of myself but playing at 265 70lbs wasn't conducive to play? 15 20 years in the league so that's really what I saw you know could I eat enough could I absolutely get back to that weight but no I don't want to feel good or look good it's commendable the way you've maintained that means it's clearly become a lifestyle for you and you've accepted it um espn body won't call if it comes back to the og kevin um no so i wanted to ask why you mentioned the three point shot so actually you averaged more three-point attempts per game than I did this year and I wonder how much the game changed and the position requirements changed.
It seemed like a lot of that change happened when you came to Cleveland and had to adjust to playing with Lebron and sacrificing yourself. from any position or from anyone on the team, I felt like I had to sacrifice more and so I'll call it the adjustment period, period, excuse me or the learning curve was probably much steeper than most or everyone on the team so you know you had two guys who dominate the ball kyrie is a wizard on the ball we've all seen him before but braun is just a once in a generation talent you know arguably the best player you've ever known playing downhill it's a freight train so that's how okay that's how we go get ready we're going to get out of the way we're going to space everyone around we're going to know j.r smith we're going to put iman jumper we're going to put you know kevin love in on the corner, so a lot of my, you know, positioning on offense was at the break or at the corner, so if I was running, I wasn't usually running for a layup or you know, early in the game I wasn't posting, pond we'd have someone dive in and then we'd space the others, you know, three around while Braun was playing a pick and roll or just opening the court for those two guys, so I really had to transition, you know my body. uh on being a little bit lighter uh maybe not as light as you know I was when I came in but I was also like okay I'm going to have to shoot a lot of 3s I might have to change my game completely and that was 25 years or should I say at that point it was probably 20 to 20 more years of organized basketball you know having a father and having a teacher tell me okay we're playing inside out yeah we're going to start here this will be your first touch, you will get a good touch after the movement after, you will get an easy bucket. to the foul line you have to get going there and then you can start working your way out but all the touches start you know we're going to feed the big guy so for me that was a really hard adjustment that was an adjustment very very hard i am very curious about the psychology of being the third guy in a big three because i think bosh went through this in miami as well and d wade talked briefly about this it was more of a reference to getting older and people expect you to lose control weight or they expect you to be you can't be at the end of your career they say yeah yeah but it's different it's a different role and so this is this kind of two part but it's the writing on the wall from day one you either have to figure it out or ut as you go along and then you know once you realize hey I'm the third here how hard is it to deal with that criticism knowing you're not the number one guy anymore oh you're going to get you point your finger I don't know I don't know if I was o done or um you know why you know it's like the four agreements right i don't know if you've read the book but i like it no don't make any assumptions don't make anything personal or don't take anything personal that's like you know two of the agreements and both I liked them based on oh yeah I could could easily be the second guy and as you know. everyone says i'm going to get flak if i'm third but like oh no no but i got the most flak and you know what i assumed was going to be true you know it made me look like a fool at least in my mind I'm like oh yeah I'm going to go out there and do this I'm going to have a very, very productive season it's going to be an easier transition than people think because I went from being, you know, a star guy to the NBA to be the third option.
I'm thinking, oh, you know, I see Bosch, I watch him very closely, who didn't see those Miami teams, but you know he maybe he can. I learned something from him but it was just every team has a different composition every season is different every coach what they want from their guys every culture of every team is different so it was a big adjustment period for me to go from a guy who shot almost 20 shots a game who was getting caught in the elbow running things in rick allen's offense all the time my usage rate was very high to then being basically know how to delegate or relegated as a 3 point shooter like you I know you'll stay away for your time and occasionally post like you can get the first play of the game and then you might not touch the ball for eight minutes and let's just say what a team defender I can be. pretty good as an individual offender, but as an offensive player he could be great, I still have that in me, you know, I feel like every big three is unique, right?
I mean it was a very unique situation where I had to take a backseat so we could know be as good as we were and that's hell for two if I mean those guys were I mean they were great , yes, great and I would not change it for the world as if I learned a lot about myself as I could I could have continued and had more careers in the nba I could have had 25 and 10 I could have had like 100 I don't doubt it for a minute, but i like to trade that for winning a talk like you can never take a championship from me o o the guys we had is nice is great do you feel like time made things easier? you know you guys were together for such a long time yeah part of what i asked is we talked about this with jimmy and i'm curious about that a little bit with you guys last year because you know you had your own version of a big three it was obviously pieces very different in terms of things and all that but it's really hard to put things together like that right off the bat yeah you know you're just the role that from a straight headspace happens to be an Olympic All-Star all of that for a guy which is like standing in the corner and pulling threes is not something that anyone is going to be equipped to do in like 30 seconds yeah, I mean, it's, I mean, honestly, I probably should have had it in my mind , but also from the other side, a little more clarity on my role was, but we had a rookie head coach who was initially supposed to take over a team that was like kyrie and tristan dion waiters potentially gordon hayward for now train you know
lebronkyrie and kevin love and a number and more great players tristan thompson dion white like all those guys so yeah i mean i think it's like i said a really steep adjustment period but for me, like me he was also on a contract year like hey hey as you know like anthony bennett like andrew wiggins there are a number of players that were traded in that draft for me to be on that team the cavs 1450 season and now so far six years but no i think it took time i could have left i mean the first of july was you know but the first call was david griffin griff awesome awesome dude straight shooter he it was like, you know what the problem is, it's like you know that I think this year taught me something is just patience everywhere else I go I probably won't have it I mean I won't have a chance to win at this level like this that I will continue sacrificing myself i'll keep figuring out who i am on and off the floor and let's roll the dice and see what happens this year if we need something else it has to happen to move on but you know we came in we went out that year we fought you know like we always did in the regular season i think we were the most talented underperforming tea Maybe of all time in the regular season, I really believe that, but when it came to playoff time, we were locked and loaded, so historically we came back from 3-1 that year, won a championship And honestly, I wouldn't change it. the world was all the wine they were drinking we were drinking a lot of wine you guys were the original wine team which we were i think what's interesting is the make up of each big three has been so different so if you look at boston basically paul pierce was number one choice they were going to run lightning off screens and floppy action all the time and kg from day one it's like I'm here to protect I'll be the third guy that at times during that run they had to beg him to shoot the ball more than he's considered is I mean between him and Ray it's like yeah thanks let's just make sure we get this maybe we get some free wine um I mean who I am I don't know who I would be Considered the third but I know if there's a guy from day one who says I don't need to do what I did offensively in Minnesota I'm willing to sacrifice myself yeah but him the difference is he might as well I mean what ue was defensive player of the year, he could dominate one game in another.
In the end, I can master defensive rebounding. I could catch you. I still have to say today if you want me out, average 15 rebounds per game. I can't, but he's probably going to sacrifice a little more. I'm fine with that, what do you need me to do? all the time, I mean he could do both, it's very rare that you have almost everything. I'm going to stick with the rebounding thing because I have a question about it, but um, I wanted to, I want to mention that when k.d signed. with the warriors klay thompson like two weeks later he came out and it was like i wasn't sacrificing so it was kind of the opposite of the kg and clay approach to his credit he's a world player on both ends chris doesn't need the ball in his hands to be cash um can score 60 and any guy who ate dribbles yeah he can take 11 dribbles and score 60.
It shouldn't take a backseat to anybody yeah and with the way he plays there's nothing that really needs to change . make his teammates better just by being who he is. I have a butt. You knew him when you were young, right. We play little league baseball together. Yeah, did you ever play basketball with him when you were young? because since where i'm from we have a weight limit for football he can play quarterbacks like he's fine on the field. playing do you know yes yes I played with my brother two three years old they would ask for you you know that this child seems like he was alwaysso so it was just in baseball where he had like 910 stars 11 12 stars and it was you know he was a very young so that's the only time we ever played together his father announced the games i played with mikey his older brother who he was a year older than me and actually tracking down that the youngest was the best baseball player is kind of funny to the other players on that team where it's like, yeah I played minor league baseball it's fun to play thompson no, they're really all nba players yeah it's a lot of fun and you know in their position and overall i think you know clay they'll be back this year to be another all-nba all-star they'll have a chance to win the title especially, you know considering what they had second pick but yeah i mean it's crazy it's going to come back and it's going to be clay early in my career that i had had dinner one night after a game with bj armstrong who's an agent now with wasserman and i was with wasserman at the time and we were talking about elite skills at the end i love bj by the way bj is cool yeah and he was talking about dwight and he said what makes dwight so cool his elite skill is he can bounce out of his space yeah um , he doesn't need the ball to come to him, I mean, I played him for six years, watched him block three times in six years. the ball because of its length and athletic shape you're a bit different but you're still so effective dribbling the ball so obviously it's positioning and fighting for that position but what are you really looking at when the ball goes up? i mean some of that is a lot of what it feels like honestly uh trajectory uh you know a lot of guys in minnesota were missing shots ok you can say ok im just playing uh but its going to get a hate tweet from kevin martin yeah exactly and the one with kevin martin in ohio he can come get me no yeah um no i think anticipation and relentless pursuit like con assuming it's all going to be a mistake and so i like to try position myself, but to me it's like I'm not the tallest guy.
You don't jump the highest so leverage I feel like it's everything it's not necessarily going down but it's body position it's you know where your defender is or where the offensive player is and you know understand that strike first
mentality like so like being super physical so I've always prided myself proud of myself in you know it used to be just because I got out of the rim by the way you know it's not as much offensive rebounding anymore but defensively it's always ending the next team's possession like try to make sure they don't get another chance because now it's you who know instead of getting a two and they're catching the ball and you know you've been a part of this how many threes do you have two thousand how do you know how many of those are you know what the big man bounces it they're looking to hit you boom right up so that kick especially now when it's uh shot clock goes back to 14. like it's a lot of time has to go up the best time to shoot all three is after an offensive rebound exactly absolutely but for me it was just that relentless pursuit of every ball um you've told me this before but I think you told me last summer when we were at one of our dinner parties at the new york city and you said this to jackie in the espn article that your work in
healthis your life's work it's that important to you so to anyone essentially living under a rock in the last few years ago you wrote this amazing article in the Players Tribune um and you talked about having this panic attack, I think it was November 2017.
Is that right? Yeah, so I think it's awesome that you meet an All-Star. all-nba world champion gold medalist um has s help that his biggest accomplishment in life will be this job rather than what he does in basketball. I'm assuming you knew something was wrong before that panic attack and yes, I mean, I've known it all my life. Yes, I was never willing. to face it, yeah or accept it or I just always compartmentalized it, um, you know, but it's just that you either know it's inherent, it comes from knowing a certain side of the family and also, um, it's deeply rooted and there, like that that until that time it happened in such a public place that I thought I couldn't have and I also told Jackie this because she started asking me these questions because of how I reacted to an interaction between her and Channing Frye because we had lockers right next to each other the other one and she actually came to um cleveland and she was interviewing channing and i told her and this was the title of my article yeah everyone is going through something and she was like where did that come from? about why she was asking Channing if you know the game was taken from his heart, uh, you know, and having to deal with it and, um, you know, those anxieties that came from that, the depression that came from that, not knowing if you know it's going to affect my family, my livelihood, you know, I was with Channing and I was heartbroken for him, his parents died in the same month and I was with him like he talked about it, he just came to practice just crying my eyes out and having to deal with it and I've been a part of it both putting on a brave face and coming to work because you know most of the time you feel like you know you're not competing or or producing at a high level with basketball, which for so long was my whole identity, was that i'm not succeeding as a human that i am i'm a terrible person like you start out and then look back as a kid like i have so many good memories and just fr I'm doing work c with my therapist and taking medication.
I figured that's okay, now I'm starting to do the actual work, but let's take the layers off of that. inconsequential like there were some really great moments that just happened to you you know bury this and your best friends and family like people don't know but i think it's something that's going to be my life's work and it's like the pandemic that no one is talking about it nobody wants to talk about it if you talk about women who are pregnant uh what they are dealing with people who can't know essential workers who have to choose between their family or you know go out and bring money home and put food in the table and risk in their lives doctors or nurses uh teachers who come teachers for a long time right now I you know I can imagine having children and having to go to school at home as I imagine you never respected Teachers, rather, as if I asked me to do long division right now I'm like oh gosh but then racial lines play a huge role as well it's like they know they have to consider remove all the weapons that people try to use against uh you know people of color if you go out and say especially in corporate America in a workplace that you are applying for a job or if you are vulnerable or say hey I deal with anxiety or depression or mental health disorder it's just another weapon people can use against you so you have to consider that too and if it wasn't for that i would say like i mentioned tomorrow all the time i'm probably fed up now, then i would say but like it was not for him like a black man from compton you know he comes out and says you know he's been depressed like you just don't talk about it yeah and he said that like he was at the brainstorming conference aspen with him he says no we just don't talk about it it's not something you say like that for him to do that for me I was like you know let me let me follow that with um and tell my own story so I bring back the circle o complete, jackie, there were conversations in the the of former and current teammates as in the all-star game a couple of years ago in uh in uh los angeles that like hey you heard about kevin love kevin loves dealing with this and then you know members of the media started communicating with me besides jackie saying hey this is what they say so i was like my heart sank like my anxiety went through the roof i was in the horrible place horrible terrible year uh stop me my hand was broken at the time you know we had the big meeting where you know the team was just like i can't hear i'm going through something right now and i can't i can't expose it to you guys right now but stay with me and it was like oh we don't give everyone to go through something but um and on top of that away from the court and there's so much going on so I knew right then and there it's time I wanted to take care of this because I don't want that no one tell any part of my story or my story, but I, yeah, um, I've been open because I, I, you know, I had to see a therapist. uh in duke um i don't think i was prepared when i was 18 and 19 to deal with ghosts a lot of people say yes you were the most drafted player of all time the most hated the most hated no but like a lot of people said like recruiting wise like yeah i'll say this because there's a thing for oh this guy's a unique guy so yeah you know there's also a thing for a guy who's going to say two three four years so maybe even more if you know or not probably they recruited him from a really good place but people yeah people didn't like you people definitely didn't like you yeah so dislike is one thing hate is another they probably hated you i they hated but then you know i saw a therapist and then after my dui of course i had to do court ordered therapy but as i got older i connected with someone and started seeing someone ago like a year and, you know, what you and Damar have done is incredible, but I think that even For me, a lot of my anxiety is related to basketball, so it's really interesting what brings me the most joy. obviously apart from my children and my wife, but what gives me joy the most, what I like to do the most, also causes me the most anxiety and it is this really strange paradox and I feel that for the vast majority of our colleagues it is the same things like What percentage of guys in our league do you think are dealing with some sort of mental health issue?
I'd go as far as to say half and if it's not them it's someone close at hand. I've had guys in the league. a lot of guys come up to me and say you know if it's them or not you know how they usually act oh yeah I know someone who is dealing with it but it's really them either that or a family member or a close friend or ex p layer like hey you know what i have at my disposal here? What will health care take care of? What does the league offer now? We've gotten to a point where you know obviously putting a mental health professional on every team is great, but that's okay.
Whats Next? We can continue to expand these messages and psas to tens of millions of children around the world and it's as global a game as it is good, what's next? What are we going to continue to do to bring these services to people because as you saw the numbers are staggering, they're crazy, um, and I especially feel like in the young minorities and for every one, I think it's for every person that dealing with a mental health disorder, you know, acute depression and anxiety, you know, bipolar disorder, schizoid, whatever, um you know, I think it's for every person or ten thousand people, there's a therapist, yeah, so this is this wasn't answering your question, but this is a follow up question i have to ask because i think that's it. it's easy it's not easy it's never easy to talk about these things yeah but it's easy for us to find a resource it's very easy because you know we're associated with the team or our player association has amazing resources obviously all that we know in the league um for the average person for the average person who is going through this phase during the pandemic who wants to talk to someone who is available where I would point them out I mean so I'll say it like that because I just know uh you know what i have what i experienced and also learned in the last two years especially starting my fun and no that's not why i'm here to cover that up but as you know we need to continue we say you know the pillars i've already talked of that but like the stigma we have to keep talking about it like we have a much higher chance of picking it up if somebody is talking about it so we have to keep going and everyone has their own times and their own deadlines for when they want to expose these things, but as I always say, you can't cure what you don't reveal. correct education.
I'm working. in an educational show now where people share first person stories i mentioned to themselves or at arm's length huh and it's very relaxing like it's kind of a notebook i write things down it's my way of remembering like even more than writing it in my notes on my phone like i can write it down i see it boom i can remember i'm super visual so we're working on it with the 9th and 10th graders we have a pilot program going on right now hopefully that will be it will spread across various places maybe even across the country because you learn about physical health you know you learn about I'm sure I think sexual health when you're growing up but you never learn about emotional health like these statistics like this kind of for me and i'm sure with you like statistics typically statistics typically tell a story and i like that it tells a story like withall the social injustice and everything that's going on with coven 19 as it is it's linear it's not like it's a bunch of different things and it's super complex but it's telling you the story and then I think there are tools and research like without the research there there are tools without the tools there will be more research into how they work so that's another thing that we're working on so we've been super strategic about how working with headspace meditation has become even like you know those kinds of brands or those kinds of accessible things that you know some of them cost money some of them for free, but we've been able to take advantage of it and get it out there to the masses, which has been great.
I did it with, uh, you know, a lot of ucla and a lot of the workers at um, you know that job. every day in the sand and work at our front office and our travel team got them because now it's so much more than a meditation app but it's really fitness and wellness and knowing what your triggers are and having someone with you who talk like a boy. Who has done it? One of the greatest athletes of all time is Michael Phelps. He's done a great job of getting people to go on his platform and have things accessible to him because you know he's on medication.
It's also hard because medication costs a lot of money and Those are these drug companies you know it's all about capitalism it's about making money so they can set a number in health care it's not a universal right so They can set a number for how much this will cost. because I think you know that once you get the medication right and some people have an east west philosophy, but for me it was like I could really start working once I got to that baseline and without that I don't think I would . I would have ever gotten out of the hole that I was really in, but there's a lot to unpack there, um, and that's it differs depending on where you're from, your socioeconomic status, gender profile goes on and on, so I think that's a a lot of the reason why we're trying new things, testing the pilots and continuing to work on this, how you manage your internet consumption because that's kind of important, especially during this because it's every part of what is my I guess you know when they study and that leads to people being in front of their phones and in front of their screens all day and consciously or unconsciously that leads to these different triggers that they may not even realize what's going on, oh, that's causing some of this, yes it's emotional and behavioral it's a war so you have to keep young people out and it's impossible because they all have screens they all have their ipads. everyone wants to consume things even to get away from it all, but it's hard to get away from that, yes, and you know as much about this as if you look at young people at the age of 14-50 who are diagnosed with mental illness.
Right disorder, one in seven kids knows something and half don't get treatment by age 24, they're 75 or diagnosed, so it's really a youth problem, more kids are committing suicide than ever in 2018. It came out in 2018. it was a 10 year study that in ohio suicide increased 24 overall and 80 in people over 60 and under 14. 14 like when i first read it and i was realizing i cant even imagine i want to I mean, God forbid, but I want to say that he has children who are all under 14 years old. And it's like considering that would be something that they were going through but it's psychological warfare and behavior is going to change a lot after what happens in the brain like you don't see what's going on up here so may have a early intervention or see warning signs or be able to go through different tests like that's going to be huge, that's the future, but how do we use the?
Do you know how we use technology for our benefit? we make this work for how do we make things more accessible to those who honestly know a lot less than we do? to our listeners or forever as you know following this stuff at home they look at them and say these guys are the pinnacle of success yeah or superheroes that's right yeah you're super surprised you're the chest you're the the best in the world literally best in the world at something very high profile that everyone is trying to do you have all the money you have all the different kinds of things that you would see as shiny objects and that's why they're like these guys a I'm going through this , maybe it's not that bad for us to come out about it, you know, it just normalized it in a way that I think is really helpful and important for people to address, yeah, I mean the more we talk about it, the more we pay of that way the more you know it's not a sexy thing to talk about yeah people don't look at me like they're like oh congratulations for saying that but like i'm not.
Cool yeah I know and I was also like oh gosh I think what Jackie was telling me is a lot of people don't want a lot of these guys I've talked to want to get off the record and she liked a set of five parts on espn but a lot of guys want to get off the record because they're scared that uh you know it will affect their financial future i mean listen to all this i'm trying to say i'm not an expert i don't claim to be i'm just trying to learn like all of us but i believe black lives matter too and social injustice. like I don't really feel like I'm going to get to somebody I'm going to try to educate myself and do everything I can to win I can make a world of difference and the time is the right time boom I'm going to do it even though I keep presenting and talking about everyone these topics but i'm not going to be you know try to be the face i want to say hey how can i be an ally? what can you tell me? what did you do?
I did something with President Obama, yeah, I was with both of them, yeah, because I'll tell you why, so this was, uh, you know, it was easy, uh, you know, I guess that's still the wrong word, but it was easy to work with them because I know what it is about and you know that President Obama and the Chicago South Side and the Obama Foundation are working as the new leaders of tomorrow and you know why social change and change in general as a youth movement and as young people younger generation and that demo is powerful as you saw it with uh parkland florida like all the things that happen Pened with that after we actually met those kids uh exactly a couple of summers ago yeah i was like oh , I was blown away, they're crazy, that's crazy, very impressive and they're like 16 17 18 years old, so like this. everything is super powerful and on top of that i mentioned chris as if he was trying to level the playing field for you underserved youngsters and making sure you know when it comes to electronics and everything you need within the within the their school boundaries have everything they need to take the next step or get into a better school or a better college or make it easier to take the weight off their parents when they're home, so I think you know that those it was two easy things because i was on a panel with them over all-star weekend on saturday of all-star weekend i was on a panel with them plus giannis and uh and mike wilbon it was great to see what they were doing and i i was like this me it's an easy way to get involved and help in a very positive way because you're both doing a great job kevin as we close this part of the podcast i just want to say me and
tommyall the time this is what we talk about It's about dehumanizing athletes versus humanizing athletes and the work that you're doing um I just want to congratulate you, you've certainly humanized all of us and thanks for speaking up of course okay Kevin let's get up to speed. round before we get to the draft of this episode ok my first question if you could have any if you could have a winery uh in a wine country what region and why oh man i mean don't go home near me here i don't love it no no i wanna trust me yeah huh what's right down the street huh yeah yeah that's cool. but, um, I love big, bold heavy wines like you'd drink from a goblet. n the middle earth like we're itself but I would say you know there's probably sasakaya I mean like a super Tuscan like that so it's just a wine you know it's the first time I've had it.
Well, now this is wine. this is real wine how it is when you got into wine you know it's funny i never liked coffee or wine i just didn't do it i don't think i had the palette for it i was just growing up i like the smell but i tried , you know black coffee whatever I didn't like it I tried wine when I was younger I don't get it but yeah it wasn't until I was like 24 or 25 where I was really like oh wow this is a good It came and then like I said I've met a lot of I've made a lot of good friends including you guys who know how to enjoy it's at a very high level um and you know I'm just still trying to learn as much as I can on it but no I definitely it took a while to open up you know good bottles and understand wine well um single game race i highlighted the step stop uh because of the stakes probably and how i changed my mind after uh you know i missed a game and a concussion were like just focus you know i said what I did it myself just like I talked about Paul George before I just focused on defense and rebounding so yeah and I'm trying to think of another time like I thought there was a shot against uh I mean they were the clippers i think there's a shot against the clippers they hit that which came out a winner because that was like you know a team that was on the rise uh you know rick allen was coaching we had uh you know pretty good balance across our entire team big pekovich ricky was playing really well us after that game we were uh, you know, 500 we were fired up, um, you know, then we had some injuries and it was tough, uh, for a little bit of part of the year and that set us back, we didn't get to the playoffs and again that was like a 48 win eight seed for it to be you gh to us but that was a huge blow to my career.
I felt that I had I guess I don't mean arrive, but in a way yes. most is like shaking you to the core kg i mean it's a pretty easy answer because when i went in i was 19 19 20 like going in and facing him in the early games it's also true with minnesota history especially there's an extra layer there that I think people would go overboard hearing this, but you have to consider it when I say this because I think he always feels somewhat about ownership of the organization and is outspoken about it, yeah and you. As for this, you're the type of blockbuster replacement.
I'm the fifth pick you know and you know there's a new guy coming up from ucla. He thinks he has a sweet chin strap. fire haircut yea yea great haircut ok so you're a fo too od boy uh you got your last meal what restaurant you picking i know my friend louie in uh in france in paris is is i forgot how say it see i put my tongue on the palate there um but i would eat it there for my last meal because it's a very tight space that maybe you can fit in you know 20 30 max max but like 20 people in there comfortably and it's like you're just on the side of the street you walk in there and louie is the guy who serves you big fat louie and it's just one of the most amazing meals i've ever had the best wine i've ever had in paris i mean it's just you know one of those you know romantic romance type of places uh that just make you feel a certain I think it's a combination of good food obviously company you're there with but also ambience, sense of aura, energy all of that combined into one that it's quite a special place .parish is a lot of places like that yeah paris itself is cafeterias that's why i'm like you know a lot of dishes just try and try to fake a little french so they're not like this american like oh actually this is my last question for you so you and i live in new york city we choose to live in new york city i love it so much in the off season you cant live in new york city Where are you living?
By the way, you don't have children, so this is easier. You can't live in New York City, where you live, by the way, because of who's there or who's there, but like who's across the bridge like Brooklyn. so cool so cool brooklyn is so cool you'll end up in brooklyn just like i almost felt that way to be clear not on the nets i'm not saying it will come on the nets what i'm saying is you're going to end up winning you'll get a brooklyn brownstone you'll have sons brooklyn what did you do in new york so it's funny you actually ask that because when I remember high school I was writing this and I like to say I was 19 when I wrote this but I thought I'm going to have an apartment in the city from New York when I'm 30 years old. out there and as a couple my friends knew i said that so they always held on to that and on june 13th i was 29 on june 13th my birthday on september 7th i locked up my apartment at 29years two months before my 30th birthday and that was like you know it's one of those times where you look back and I've been hurting a lot lately and this is probably a deeper thing with the mental health aspect but like the pain with a lot of regret in my even my career and I like missed opportunities and I like things you know it's a long thing but that's one of the things I finally gave myself credit for, like patting myself on the back and say you know what that's cool like I've been through 11 off seasons including the one uh when I got drafted walking into my tower I mean a year in LA but for me LA just turned and I love seeing my boys.
I love seeing other athletes because you know I try to surround myself with a similar energy that supports my goals or I like that you know how to be with my friends and help them. or like jumping on a junkie podcast i don't like it but no i really really really feel that way and yet i was like you know i need a change i love new york city i feel like when you live there and this is so true i realized this when you live there it becomes such a different life people say i don't know if i could do new york city i'm like you live there you wouldn't say i do you do what you want and the beauty of it is there's always something going on you always have your place if you just want to relax there's always basketball there's always a place to exercise you can chase the game everything else will chase you there's no place like jerry seinfeld just wrote something today how is it ok y'all want to move o f new york you want to go to connecticut you want to go to maine you want to go to maryland go ahead cause we're going to rebuild it we're coming to new york it's so tough and you can't pretend there i love it it's c Right, have you followed this over each of the last two weeks? people have been saying new york is dead new york new york is never over never never will be dead never impossible because it will change i mean the resolution there i mean it's not just it's new york city always will be i have two i have two to close but you haven't answered yet you have to give us another city you have to give us another city vancouver bc ok thanks that's a good answer ok i mean it's an easy answer for me too vancouver bc first question did you have a period i think you you relaxed a bit but you had a period where your instagram was like the best i can I won't be traveling too yeah last summer yeah last time at sag harbor pharmacy. or but it wasn't it wasn't just you were it wasn't just you were in cool places because like anything a lot of people go to cool places it was like every photo was like you and your dog like a like a mountain like this that it was completely unbelievably lit and everything was exceptional, how did that happen, so I love telling stories and you know I'm not going to look back and say "I will." fame i wish i had more money it's like no i think you could look back and look at relationships and experiences and say if i have to pay the one time i will pay lots and lots of money for something other than that's ok i want for making sure i feel comfortable where i live is like buying time if i have to if i can manipulate time to where i can get it back or your experiences as soon as we get to a place where what do you guys do? offer what else can we do what is something no one is talking about what food we just filled the time with e xperiences it's great bye at an interesting time you can't ask your last question ok you know sorry last question you want jd wants to write up let's get into this i'm looking forward to writing ok uh tommy um please explain this week's draft ok so in honor of summer summer is over summer is over point out we are going to write up the best movies or tv shows having anything to do with the beach in any capacity. tv to tv shows that expire as lost well this is let's go to god kevin you can't i'll give something i'll give something good i'm not going to say anything on the listener's side is that we told kevin we told gary this category last night at the beginning was confused about it and then he decided to name like five of the things okay and yeah and then he told me jj is going to steal everything i was like okay how do i see who we're dealing with yeah so the way the eraser works is you go first, you're the guest you go first jj you go second i go third we meander it but whoever you choose i can't choose so that's why i was like but it could go anyone or like anyone or it could be it can't be we don't go on tv and then make movies no, no, only five, so five or two euros first, you're the first choice, that's it, I need to write this, well, I didn't look for anything, it's the thing and I forgot what I said I almost want to end up in the chat group, but I'm going with n a movie that's amazing because he was a person on an island the whole time since a FedEx plane crashed and that's castaway, Tom Hanks, you give me Wilson. he comes back, he comes back and the titans missed the super bowl by a few yards, which was the biggest thing for me.
I was like wow yeah I mentioned the Super Bowl they moved they were the oil and I'll throw that out anyway. leave it there that's a great first pick it was on my big board ok wilson I'm going to be the number one pick for me jaws that's a good one hands down as iconic definitely top three to five not really you can argue we're going to need a bigger ship iconic is iconic music the sound score is amazing ok i should go for one oh we're meandering we're meandering yeah i might uh ruffle some feathers here like i tend to do in these drafts sometimes one i go on tv i go oc ha ha thats a good choice though i thought you were going in a different direction yeah from ages like 24 to 42 you gonna get a lot of love Great show Great show to rewatch Great payoff and still relevant like when something happens to an oc character in today's world Sure people know for sure Okay That's a second Oh it's usually like page six, but The second one is going to be a bit of a surprise and you guys might not think this counts, but only if there's a beach, come on, it's one of the ones we discussed last night. we lost so many good guys here like ok ok as long as we know there is transparency i was going to say i had to take it off the board because it was already in your brain and i knew it was going to come out and i wanted to pick it and i think he won the best picture award that year and it won a bunch of oscars so i need an oscar it's just the whole movie is amazing yeah when you know they're driving to the farm and it's the mom and then she falls into the por of course it's like just crazy tears because you know a lot of people had to deal with that man who was shady depressing um ok my number two pick is tv.
I thought you were going to say that it's just becoming obvious. I'm just making myself obvious. It's okay, I go with what I want to see good, you know what I'm going to be? I will do it. i'm going to analyze how every draft i could say i'm trying to get that we're going to win that you're going to be trying to come back i alr eady know jj is going to win this trip the actual movie the beach i've never seen it you're going to choose that i'm not going to choose that but i've been there actually i'm gonna go with a cult classic and you guys i think you'll appreciate this weekend at bernie's.
There is a beach in the movie, as I was saying last night. a beach there's a beach in the moonlight they won best picture some people kind of like moonlight how can you not appreciate bernie's weekend may i ask a question about the weekend at home from bernie was it set in the hamptons was it set in the hamptons and filmed on bald head or vice versa because i think it was filmed on bald head island honestly the last time i saw it was when i was like 13 and it was your choice number two. I had to like it I had to get into my what do you call that the war room? how to get into my room was when you choose to save and you probably run you learned you know what i'm not counting all his pictures oh christopher nolan dunkirk doug crick he's a good choice great weekend at bernie's and dunkirk i didn't say weekend at bernie's so doc , you said weekend to bernie so you're three go good dunkirk and um no you said weekend to bernie you're definitely two and three okay you're two and you're bigger.
I'm going to say my third pick is I'm going to casino royale wow I totally forgot about the beach scene and by the way he's an amazing remake and honestly I think daniel craig a lot of people get mad at sean connery like uh best bond than daniel craig yeah i agree dont sean connery is better than david ok but daniel craig is the best what about sir one zac efron in the room not the rock exactly not See I'm running out of stuff ok honestly I'll give you so I have three more that's why I have a big board honestly I'm going to get some love from the weekend at bernie's i'm just like you know i don't think so the comments section will be his second my second is uh forget mr marshall great oh that's great that was my next pick he's alright i'm gonna give him a name um alright my next one is going to be road to perdition now you may not know at the end too well yeah that's why i shot sullivan yeah his son walks into sullivan and he shoots McGregor and then he's like paul newman yeah great i mean he was in his last movie paul newman are your movies are kind of serious though yeah some talked about summer like you took it to start jesus yeah the kid la mother and child died and the child said ok i enjoyed it i am choosing blue crush i am not and oh by the way that's where i was going to make him smash it off the board ta ke off the board yeah the blue crush is for sure okay sex appeal i need to see your big board no i won't show you okay, I'll have to rack my brains on something else, okay? movies movies movies movies uh don't forget tv boardwalk empire that's good that's great that's a great old show probably honestly not your best choice either yeah that's definitely better than bernie's weekend okay y'all keep me quiet might go see that tonight and i be like you know what a great movie you said oc weekend at bernie's is better than oc uh no maybe not what it meant to teen girls but for what it means no its better than oc and definitely not a better beach show slash movie than the oc is ok number five for me um the talented mr ripley cool its cool what they used the style in that amazing movie and gwyneth in the movie i have to say you know so i'm going for five i want two best picture winners on my list i'm doing moonlight i have to say you have one you have a solid list i think i won this one i got to save private ryan teng or moonlight no i didn't i wasn't going for the win i was going for the moment ha ha with the weekend at bernie's and then i had to get it going so this is what always next draft you will be better I feel like the next chef.
You will understand that there is enough time for you guys to do a second episode with me. i have gotten to this point in the podcast exactly oh boy sorry guys season starts tomorrow kevin has to go kevin has to get back in the league for my next contract oh god ok kevin thanks for the time for the info on the terrible draft picks this has been episode 7 with kevin love we are out thank you
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