Joe Rogan Experience #872 - Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson

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s joy my day Joe Rogan podcast at night and we're live gentlemen here we go again what's happening in the room it's a pleasure to see you as always this is one of my favorite podcasts that we do and it's very timely because first of all the big New York Times article about the possibility of a comet hitting Los Angeles, the preparations for what they would do if a comet hit Los Angeles, and the comet known as Donald Trump that hit the United States and even has hair It's just all the things, I mean, if the end of the world was coming, boy, it's all on the wall, you know, the writings are there, it's a little crazy, mm-hmm, so what's the latest and the best?

Well, the latest, the latest and the best. it's like last year when we sat down with you, I think it was last November mmm yes, it was almost a year, the idea floated in the discussion that there is some really important comet research being carried out that is changing our entire vision of history. and the prehistory and the future of humanity, but it would be nice to make a film about this and with crowdfunding. I actually mentioned it to the scientists and they said what we really need is more funding for our research, so they were basically inspired by their program, they've launched a crowdfunding campaign which is linked on my website, it's comet research group and it's a big story right now, so how can people find it really quickly?

It's IndieGoGo, well now that the research is much faster, just go. go to my website Oh Graham Hancock, calm down and there's a spinning banner which is the comet research group, click on it and you'll be on this beautiful ok Graham Hancock, calm down and then crowdfund comet research and What were they trying to put together? Well, you want to see the thing is that these guys haven't really had any official funding. This is a group of highly credentialed leading scientists who for the past decade have been investigating the extraordinary story of a massive series of comet impacts. on the North American ice sheet twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, that was the Global Cataclysm that wiped out an entire prehistoric civilization, so it is of interest to me that they do not approach it from that point of view.

Coming from rediscovering something we've lost about ourselves, something is really important to understanding the role of cataclysms in Earth's history and they need to do a lot more research, they need to go back to Greenland and look for the nano diamonds. In Greenland, they need ice cores. There is an ancient city whose name they do not reveal and which they are pretty sure was wiped out by a comet impact about four and a half thousand years ago. They want to go there. and investigate that, so there's a lot of legwork they need to do to bring home this hypothesis and, frankly, quell the opposition because there's been a lot of opposition to this idea from people with vested interests in other theories, which is why these guys They haven't gotten funding so the only place they're going to get funding to do this additional research is from members of the general public and that's what we hope happens, it's called the comet research group, there's a banner on my site and There are all links to their crowdfunding, to their website which is filled with a wealth of scientific information and also to their Facebook page.

It is very unusual that we know that comets and all kinds of large objects have impacted the Earth. We see the craters, we know they exist, but it's rarely talked about, it's so strange if it weren't for this article in the New York Times. I don't remember one last time and it even showed up and it's so big. The problem is a huge problem, it's a huge problem, both Randall and I have really thought a lot about that there is nothing to worry about, that the point is that catastrophes are the untold story of our past, they gave us a little, we are givers. a little hint of it February 2013 Chelyabinsk siberia dream of that yes, yes, that was just a little cosmic specification that came in.

It was about fifteen meters in diameter, which is about um, and it came in at a pretty low angle, it exploded almost eighteen put that thing right in front of you right in front of me like this yeah, if you put it all the way down it's usually easier how is this? , just better yeah here we go so it went in I think it exploded twelve miles about 20 kilometers high in the atmosphere but it was still enough to damage thousands of buildings and injure 1500 people. Another thing is that if it had been a little bigger, if it had come in at a slightly steeper angle, at a slightly higher speed, you could have had thousands of deaths instead of just injuries and that would have been major news at that time. moment, as it was, it is already forgotten, but you remember, yes, oh, yes, supervise, we can even talk, I have talked, I think, in fact, we did.

I think most of the videos of that, you know, it's fascinating. Russia has a lot of those nutty trail camera and trail camera cameras, that's true, because they have so much insurance fraud that they apparently bump into each other all the time and want to record it, so we're lucky enough to have a lot of them. of those videos that's why they put it on the disk, while others otherwise wouldn't. I think people don't like to talk about cataclysms and catastrophes and, in fact, no one wants a horrible cataclysm, but this is the point, which is that the prospect of a comet or asteroid cataclysm on Earth is actually much larger than what we have been told so far and something can be done about it, it doesn't have to be that way. the end of the world we do not have to say, okay, everything is over, forget it, on the contrary, this is something that would be prudent and rational for the human species and, among many other things, reckless and irrational. what we focus on, instead, we should focus on this a little bit, at least just to raise awareness of it and also the possibility that we've been caught a bunch of times and forgotten about it and this is this.

The biggest thing you've been dealing with your entire career, this skepticism about past civilizations. I mean, I got into it with Michael Shermer, who is a friend of mine, who is a very famous skeptic. I got into it yesterday because I posted that you were. is going to be there and something began to sizzle about the civilizations of 12,000 years ago, where is the evidence? You don't even say this and you don't even know about gobekli tepe so I sent him gobekli tepe and I literally like it. Five hours later, he wrote something stating that while that was done by hunter-gatherers, it was actually all to fit the narrative, so he doesn't know that no one knows that no one knows that they are so determined to maintain the existing model. and when new evidence comes in that can't be explained by the existing model, they simply try to explain the new evidence and not think that maybe it's time to change our theory.

You know, this is the unfortunate thing, but the cataclysms are global. Cataclysm, the massive event that occurred twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, the impacts of the Younger Dryas, which were a series of comet impacts on the North American ice sheet. This explains why we don't have much solid evidence for a civilization older than 12,000 years. because it sank in that catastrophe it was annihilated. I've been trying to accumulate evidence that actually complements what Graham is doing and really answers the question that Schirmer posed and it's a legitimate question where is the evidence, but I'm pretty sure that Schirmer isn't really informed about the extreme events. that have actually taken place on this planet in the last ten to twenty thousand years, um, and what that would mean for any kind of evidence, maybe while we have some time here today.

I've brought a few things to try to convey a sense of how extreme some of these changes have been and how one would really be surprised to find out that something exists after these events. Well, Michael Shermer is a brilliant guy and I'm not. I mean him, but what worries me is that his knee-jerk reaction to this without having any research on the subject without knowing anything about gobekli tepe, which was discovered in the 90s, yes, 96, I mean, so this To me, this is something that I have analyzed in great depth thanks to you. When I read your book, I was completely enthralled with the idea that history has some kind of rise and fall and that civilization has these resets, so I've been engrossed in this for a long time, but what's fascinating to me is the people who consider themselves skeptical or you know, or I mean, he's a skeptical professional underwriter, but a lot of people who question anything that's outside of what they've been told so quickly.

When they hear any kind of theory outside of what they were told, they immediately call anything happy quackery and this, but it's a strange knee-jerk reaction to something, especially when you're talking about asteroids that are a very real part of our past, we have a There is a lot of evidence, I mean, there are real craters that you can observe on the Earth, the Moon, which has no atmosphere, is full of them and if we look at the Moon as a model of what could have happened to the Earth, or at least you know something about that.

Obviously, since the moon has no atmosphere, it will be affected much more than we are sure of, but I still want to say that this is a very real situation where this solar system, at least as far as we know, has to be the one. only solar system. deal with this, but we know that this is a real problem, maybe we have seen impacts like what you just said, on the one hand, you have Earth scientists looking at the Earth and what they are realizing is that the Earth is full of scars and each of these scars represents a tremendously powerful catastrophe that has occurred in the history of the earth now that mainstream science accepts that great catastrophes have occurred in the history of the earth, but where this is now about to come full circle is the recognition that These types of catastrophes have also influenced the rise and fall of civilization and much more than has been recognized until now and as geologists and earth scientists look at the Earth's surface and realize that pitted on the surface of the Earth or imprinted on the surface of the Earth there are hundreds of scars of which, without a doubt, are only a small percentage of the total that exist at the same time that astronomers observe near-Earth space and They discover that we coexist in space with a lot of things are not as empty as we thought, just in the last six or seven weeks we have had two close flybys of previously undiscovered asteroids, actually of previously undiscovered asteroids, the point is that NASA He keeps saying, well, you know, we've counted them. 1,650 asteroids and none of them will hit Earth in the next hundred years.

Well, yes, that's true, but what about all the uncounted ones, estimated to number in the hundreds of thousands and yet to be seen? What happens is that we see them about ten days before they pass by Earth, which is not enough time to do anything about it, but we have time, if we are prepared to be rational and reasonable as a civilization, to deal with this problem Now that we're dealing with hundreds of thousands of near-Earth objects flying around, what are the things that could be done to protect the Earth. You can paint it. It's low tech.

You can actually paint one side of the asteroid and it affects its albedo. that the sun's rays push differentially on one side instead of the other that will change its orbit slightly it has to be calculated you can give it a little hit with a rocket basically you don't want to blow it up it's not like that you want to convert it you know you're a big piece of our projectile artillery in pellets you don't want to do that you want to want to move it to a safer orbit you can put jets on it people are now looking to mine asteroids Of course, our society always goes, our civilization always goes for the climate where you can make money, but yes, yes we can mine asteroids, we can move them and the technology is there and ironically the most dangerous asteroids will be the ones that are closest to Earth, which are the most accessible and asteroids have incredible amounts of resources.

I mean, almost everything that is mined on Earth can be found on asteroids, from hydrocarbons to precious metals and all of these. things and we're not that far from being technologically capable of mounting expeditions to asteroids and mining them and that's the solution I prefer because, again, these things are tremendous sources of reefs of all kinds. of things that would be usable for an expanding civilization and within a decade or two we could be mining asteroids and again the ones that are easiest to access will also be the most dangerous because they are the ones that are getting closest to the earth and another point here is that there is a specific danger, there is a specific region of the sky that really needs to be observed and this is the region of the sky, that is why they wrote magicians of the gods because because of this discovery there is something called thetorrid meteorite stream that is 30 million kilometers wide and envelops the solar system and the earth in its orbit around the Sun passes through the A torrid meteorite stream twice a year it turns out that the torrid meteorite stream is the remains of a giant comet that entered the inner solar system about 20,000 years ago.

That thing was at least a hundred kilometers in diameter, according to his calculations. It could have been more. Then and then, like other comets such as Shoemaker-Levy 9, which spectacularly impacted Jupiter in 1994, it began to break up into multiple fragments and these continue to orbit on the original path which, as they become more and more fragmented, degrade. and they are small and large pieces. The pieces break up and little by little a kind of enormous ring of debris fills up that the Earth passes through twice a year. It takes us 12 days to get through it. We travel two and a half million kilometers a day on our orbital path. 12 days to pass through the torrid meteor stream and scientists from the comet research group have pointed out that a large object from the torrid meteor stream was, in fact, the one that hit the North American ice sheet twelve thousand ago eight hundred years.

It appears that there was a second series of impacts eleven thousand six hundred years ago from the same source. There appear to have been other impacts in the Bronze Age. The most recent and almost definitive impact of the torrid meteorite stream was Tunguska in Siberia back in 1908. It hit on June 30, 1908 and that was at the peak of the torrid June shower when we passed the conservatives in June and in November and what they're saying is that we really need to focus on this hot meteor stream, their calculations are that there are hundreds and hundreds of massive objects in that hot meteor stream and you know, when a comet breaks up into pieces, those pieces become on asteroids and those asteroids are spinning around in the torrid stream of media and I have compared it to putting on a blindfold. and crossing an eight-lane interstate twice a year and just hoping that we don't run into a lot of traffic, you know, we run into bicycles or motorcycles instead of trucks, but the trucks are there and what the scientists in the group of comet research.

Now we must investigate the torrid stream of meteorites in depth because it appears to be the hidden hand of human civilization: it has erased episodes of our history in the past and there is no reason to expect it not to do so again unless we do something about it because The remains of that original giant comet are still circling in the torrid media stream and are now dangerous. How is this being received in mainstream science? I mean, is there any resistance to this because it seems like this is all pretty straightforward? and entre scible mostly being ignored mostly being ignored why I think it's by scientists who have a vested interest in other ideas in the first place there's a vested interest in not admitting that cataclysms are important at all this really goes back to the 19th century when science began to take shape in the form we know it now and they wanted to separate themselves, understandably, from superstition, so they didn't want to have anything to do with something that sounds like the biblical flood, for example, they felt they would be contaminated That's why and they preferred to explain any cataclysmic evidence as a result of gradual processes, then you really think it's due to reluctance to accept religion or religious ideas or to separate.

I think that's where it started or started to separate. From that they have now come a long way and many scientists have a vested interest in what is called uniformitarianism or gradualism and they do not like to hear about cataclysms that have a major impact on the history of life on Earth, so, what? Is it a kind of impulse from these initial desires to escape religious influence that has led you down this path? Yes, and then there are others who have a vested interest in the current accounts of global warming. There are others who have a vested interest in extinctions that are taking place now, they want to say that our ancestors were responsible for the extinction of all the mammoths and mastodons and so on, while the comet research group scientists say no, that North America's huge megafauna was wiped out as a result of the massive series of impacts on the North American ice sheet.

I'm reading a book right now by Dan Flores, a really interesting book called Coyote America. He's a wildlife historian and he's really an expert on all the different forms of wildlife in North America, where they originated where they migrated and one of the most fascinating things is that he's talking about all of these animals that have been extinct for longer. ten thousand years, this mass extinction event and not once does it mention cataclysms and there are all these different these different ideas and one of the big ones that humans with a silly x', which is really a very strange kind of device to throw spears, they wiped out the woolly mammoths and all these other animals and, to me, a position that is also a lunatic idea.

If you have any contact with hunter-gatherers today, you will discover that hunter-gatherer peoples do not excessively kill their prey, they hunt them with respect, they take what they need and leave the rest because it is a renewable resource for them, so I don't. I don't think hunter-gatherers wiped out mammoths in North America, the evidence is compelling, it was the comedy, well, the evidence that you mentioned when you were here the first time when you showed the pictures of all those mammoths that had literally been demolished. with broken legs from the impact of something in a mass cemetery like these, did you know they're not cemeteries, obviously, but mass casualties, places of mortality, cool sites of mortality, yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Yes, actually, Graham, I visited one down south. Dakota calls hot springs where there are only several dozen, no one knows how many there are actually, but there are at least several dozen woolly mammoths of two species and Colombian mammoths that have been entombed and while we were there, interestingly, I know the guide who gave us the women. The journey there was sort of a gradualist explanation, for long periods of time these mammoths wandered into a sinkhole and were too dumb to get out, so they got buried and I asked what studies had been done on it. sedimentary matrix in which her remains are found because as I look at this sedimentary matrix I see a massive deposit which in other words a deposit that was instantaneous and when I mentioned that she actually got very irritated and lamented.

I still dismissed my question, didn't you know we have it all figured out? You know, we know it well, what's going on? Well, we just got it all figured out and he immediately went on with it like, but however, he had an article that was actually written by one of the original scientists who worked on the site and his description was good, it could have been that, but also as an alternative and used the term bloat and discharge that what he had were woolly mammoths. who had been trapped in a flood drowned and their bloated corpses floated in a depression in the landscape and that's where they were buried and that makes a lot more sense to me than the fact that you know individually for several thousand years these in These mammoths they entered this sinkhole and then they couldn't get out, but you have to keep in mind that we are talking about that at the end of the last ice age approximately one hundred and twenty species of megafauna disappeared, which is equivalent to approximately the same number of megafauna species that inhabit the earth today, as well as in a short period of time, something like 65 percent of North American mammals became extinct, 75/75 percent in a very short period of time or in a period of very short time, practically completely.

It coincides with that period called the Younger Dryas, so there is nothing like what we are able to do today back then. I mean, when you look at human extinction events, human-caused extinction events were very logical and what we're doing today with pollution and the spread of civilization and weapons are super sophisticated, if we wanted to, we could eliminate many different species, yes, but the least we are really seeing is that at the end of what is called Balling Allarod, which was the gradual process. The warming at the end of the last ice age that preceded the sudden catastrophic change in 12,800 was a Clovis culture that existed for three to five hundred years.

I think so somewhere, but suddenly they disappeared exactly simultaneously with the mammoths and then there are interesting things. The studies that are now coming to light show that at least across the continent there was apparently a major drop in the human population that coincided exactly with the megafauna extinctions because there were quarries that had been mined for centuries that were suddenly abandoned, There are camps that had had generations of rubble. and tool kits piling up etc, debris from spearheads etc suddenly being abandoned, so the evidence actually suggests that the human population crashed, which would certainly imply that there would have been a lot less capable of annihilation.

All of these MegaFon species also studies of their diet and their ways of life suggest that they were very diverse, they were hunter-gatherers and focused mainly on small game, they ate a lot of fish, a lot of shellfish, they gathered food and why. Would they go after the largest and most dangerous animal you know in the entire range of animals and with incredible efficiency hunt them to extinction in a hundred years? It doesn't make sense, no, it doesn't make sense, it seems pretty silly. means ancestors of that era, if I may say that Randall mentioned the Clovis culture, this was for a long time, actually, until just a couple of years ago, all the major scholars in the fields of archeology and anthropology said that there were no human beings in North America before, let's say 13,000 years ago, five hundred years or so, and they crossed the Bering Land Bridge, the Bering Strait at that time was above sea level, the level of the sea ​​was lower, they entered America and were not hit there until now in the In the last two or three years there has been a great deal of new scientific research and today no scientist is prepared to defend the Clovis model.

It is accepted, of course, that they have been human beings in the United States for 50,000 or 60,000 years and that there are strange genetic links such as, for example, there is a trail that connects the Australian aborigines with the North Americans, they had a common ancestor, it is something very peculiar what is happening and what is happening is that actually these scientific models that have limited and restricted research for so long are being overthrown and that Clovis model is being overthrown and the missing piece of the puzzle, I think for everyone who works In this field, is it the Cataclysm, the comet, what happened between twelve thousand eight hundred and eleven thousand six hundred years ago, that changed everything, is that strange to you or is it frustrating either way that this is not a widespread idea, this is very marginal, but still not something that we don't have any evidence for every time I publish a book, there is immediately a huge hostile reaction like the Michael Shermer thing like the Michael Shermer thing like me, I mean, I would say Wizards of the Gods, which I published in 2015 and which deals with this whole topic of comets, is actually the most documented book with the most references that I have written.

It's quiet. it's measured, they don't actually read it, they just say Oh Hancock came out with another book, he's a pseudoscientist, that's what they always call me or a pseudoarchaeologist and obviously it's garbage because it doesn't agree with everything we know well, that's the spot. of hereticism in society is to offer an alternative view and well-documented evidence, but it seems that we are dealing with such a deeply ingrained mentality that is connected in curious ways to the power structures in our society that it is very difficult to change. Absolutely as Graham mentioned before, there is a kind of poet who went through a religious reason, I think in the 19th century, and now it's more of a political reason and again the idea that every day you will find something that you know coming from various factions that They were destroying.

The Earth and the Earth have never suffered this kind of attack before and you know we are causing the sixth great mass extinction and we are going to cause catastrophic global warming if we pump out another 50 or 100 parts per million. of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and therefore what is done is as done by many, I won't say many, but several of the scientists who have now been at the forefront of the criticism of the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis They are also heavily involved in global warming. movement and the idea that we are now precipitating the sixth great mass extinction.

Having looked at mass extinctions and it's really been an obsession of mine for about thirty years, I've looked at everything from the Cretaceous-Tertiary to the Permian Triassic, alreadyyou know. moving on to the most recent one, which for me is in some ways the most interesting because the most recent mass extinction we are talking about is the one that took place while humans were part of history and between twelve thousand eight hundred and eleven thousand six hundred years ago. , the Young Dryas, yes, the Young Dryas, which is still an unexplained climate anomaly that occurred and I mentioned this.

I think in the previous broadcast you know what you had, you just had an extreme heating spasm. followed by a rapid shift to extreme cold literally in a matter of a few years and we are talking about climate changes of up to 15 degrees Fahrenheit within perhaps 1 to 5 years, which dwarfs anything we have

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d in recent times since the beginning of the industrial revolution and we still don't really understand and that's why this research is so important because now we understand that there was something cosmic. That happened, it left its mark on the landscape of four continents, five continents, yes, on more than 50 million square kilometers of the Earth's surface there is a giant debris field of this thing that is only produced by massive impacts.

These things go up to 70,000 miles a year. hour and you know if they have any diameter, if they are 100 meters or more in diameter, they are going to hit the earth very hard, they are not going to burn up in the atmosphere and when they contain a large amount of kinetic energy, a large amount of heat and shock, and that creates very defined chemicals, for example, nanodiamonds, carbon spherules, molten glass, it's like Trinite that was produced in nuclear explosions, all this when they are all there. They are found together in the same soil layer and when you can put a date on that soil layer and when it is all over the world, there is only one thing that can explain them: a cosmic mass.

I don't understand why this is controversial. I don't really understand it because I know that once people start teaching things, once people start lecturing and giving speeches, they want to hold their ground and they want to avoid in some way anything that might contradict what they've been. defending is a game this changes the rules of the game this information changes everything it changes the way we have looked at our past it changes the entire history of archeology and it changes the way we are going to look at the future and I think people in academia is reluctant to accept this change and they are afraid of being called pseudoscientists because there is a whole lobby of skeptics who use this word pseudoscientist or pseudoarchaeologist as an instant rejection of other ideas and those who are in the profession, do not want to stain themselves with that brush, they want keep clean and I understand that, but you're talking about hard evidence, yes, you're talking about this nuclear glass, you're talking about nanodiamonds.

We're talking about core samples that show this massive change when you do the ice core samples, a massive change in temperature and you're talking about very clear evidence of impacts that we know exist, it's not like a comet is a theory, it's not like it's Bigfoot or something like you know we're looking for the final proof that shows that commas are real exactly, it's real, it's Thoth, it's totally real, but it's very difficult to accept for those who are invested in other models and unfortunately they have the ear of the media or, by the way, all the scientists in the comic comet research group are absolutely conventional scientists and have received a lot of criticism from their colleagues for even daring to investigate this area, that's why They have not had financing. they've had to fund themselves is pretty cool, that's crazy because in my opinion this is not a controversial thing, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be, this isn't some fairy thing, we're not talking about psychics, we're not Speaking of UFOs, we are talking about something that we know exists, yes, so burying your head in the sand for something like this seems to me to have been invested in a process that is of interest at the moment, NASA is spending the equivalent one attack helicopter a year to investigate the danger of comets and asteroids, you know, 50 million dollars a year, that's not much, it's a pittance, it's tiny, a few hundred billion dollars in massive and sophisticated military equipment that we can use to slaughter each other in increasingly sophisticated ways, but only fifty million dollars a year to save the Earth from a potential cataclysm that could return our civilization to the Stone Age tomorrow and I don't want to continue insisting on Michael Shermer because I like the microwave, but rather for him to highlight this type of natural phenomena. inclination to make fun of something he has not done any research on when I pointed out gobekli tepe and sent him some National Geographic articles he went silent mm-hmm I mean he should know, it's surprising that people make fun of it, Yeah. is going to make fun, you should actually know what you are making fun of and say that Gobekli Tepe was created by hunter-gatherers, sorry, that's just a theory, it's not, it's not a fact, you seem like a very very place sophisticated with astronomical alignments with hundreds and hundreds of megalithic pillars weighing up to 20 tons each the world's first building perfectly aligned from north to south that can only be done with astronomy this is not enough to say oh, they were just hunter-gatherers there was something strong from half a century A mile away, I mean, there is great sophistication.

I mean, how big were these stones? Well, the biggest one is still in the quarry. They left it because it had a defect. They clearly intended to move it 50 tons. 20 foot tall objects and then it's the assembly of them. See, here's the problem. Hunter-gatherer societies are not the type of societies that produce fixed monuments on a large scale, because they do not generate a surplus that you cannot pay for. someone to become an architect and that's why in those times someone becomes an astronomer you are busy hunting and gathering and that is what you do agriculture generates a surplus and that is the bat is the problem in gobekli tepe because there is no history this site It just appears out of nowhere in the middle of what appears to be a hunter-gatherer community, but what they're not considering is the possibility that we're seeing a transfer of technology that the survivors of a lost civilization who already had all that knowledge came from. to return to Lee Tepe and use that site as an initiation center to teach local hunter-gatherers how to do farming and that is now considered the beginning of civilization.

I would say it's the reinvention or reconstruction of civilization, so when we look back at Sumeria and any artifacts that we find in ancient Mesopotamia in that area Iraq, those are the people who are reinventing and relearning, which is why Oliver in reality when we talk about Mesopotamia, which means that between two rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates, gobekli tepe is right there at the headwaters. between the Tigris and the Euphrates and we cannot separate that from the later cultures that entered history five thousand six thousand years ago, they are part of the lineage that descended from the time of gobekli tepe and the fascinating thing about gobekli tepe is the way in which it doesn't. they fit in the way that there is no background one would expect to see them practicing learning architectural skills, the oldest things should be the worst and as they continue it gets better, that site ran for a thousand years, the best is the most old, thousand years. years later what they were producing was not as good, this is a real anomaly and needs to be investigated, not mocked by the skeptics, but explored to consider that perhaps this changes the entire paradigm and it is a bit ironic that in their desire to escape. of the ancient myths and stories of the Bible have ignored those ancient myths and stories that talk about cataclysms.

Well, part of our modern psychology is to imagine that we are somehow so advanced from our predecessors that we now represent the pinnacle of civilization. and everything that preceded us must be considered almost as you know, as if it were the workings of children. A major psychological change is required to admit or accept that our ancestors may have been much more sophisticated than we had imagined in our 19th century. models that basically still dominate thinking today and, as you know, in Graham's book he devotes several chapters to the story of a 19th and 20th century heretic.

J Harlen Bretz in his story for me sums up the whole process of forcing his paradigm shift and for years He was exploring the evidence that there had been a tremendous flood in Washington State and all his critics were dismissive without even going out and looking at the firsthand evidence in the field, but what it did was it held its own for three decades and they continued to accumulate evidence to the point where they just couldn't rule it out any more and finally a group of them went out and started exploring the landscapes for themselves and one of the leaders.

I think you talked about that. in his book James Gillooly, who was sort of the leader of the skeptical faction who had established that his sole purpose was to discredit and put an end to this whole flood heresy once and for all, but he went out into the field and about eight days passed in the field where you see this evidence for yourself over and over again and when you look at only part of it, you can say okay, there are other explanations for that, but what happens is when you get multiple lines of evidence, all converging. and there's no way to individually explain each of those things other than to just say "well, it's all coincidence." James Gillooly was honest enough that after a week there they were in a place called Palouse Falls in southern Washington, which was one of these areas where this tremendous inland tsunami devastated the land and, in fact, I visited it ago. about eight weeks when I took a group of people and took them to Palouse Falls to show them where James Gillooly was. standing when he finally had the epiphany of him divyam images you brought with us.

I have images I can dig up here yes, I sure do. I have some really interesting images to show you that relate because seeing these floods relates directly to the idea of ​​impact and we can get into that a little bit by explaining how these parallel lines of evidence are now converging, but what was interesting about Gillooly was that in the descriptions After the trip to India he was alone for a long time. time away from the group and I was standing here looking at this huge waterfall with 400 foot cliffs on this little ribbon of water flowing over it in this huge canyon below and these big rocks and I had seen it for a whole week I had been Seeing these things , he finally got to the point where it wasn't undeniable and he returned to the group and the words that came out of his mouth word for word were: how could I have been so wrong? and he finally admitted it and that was like a turning point and from time to time Graham describes very effectively in the book how, in a way, the flooding phenomenon was hijacked and then placed within this more gradual context to really avoid the fact that it was something so anomalous in such a departure from our modern experience that we had to look outside our modern experience to find an explanation what they wanted to do was find something within our modern experience and this is the cornerstone of the uniformitarian approach is that we looked for a modern example and then they extrapolated backwards from that and what they did was they saw well in the term modern in the modern world we have Proglacial lakes that form in front of glaciers and sometimes these Progress lakes can be held back by an ice dam or other glacier.

These ice dams will break loose and cause quite catastrophic flooding. They are very common in Iceland because there are several volcanoes under the law, the Icelandic ice sheets and there they use the term Palestinian operations to describe these explosive floods, but Here's the thing, when you look at the modern versions, you are basically seeing floods that are less of a thousandth of a single flow of these floods that we are talking about, which happened twelve and thirteen thousand years ago, a thousand less than a thousand less than a thousandth in maximum discharge and in total volume, so it has been admitted in several places .

I have extracted the quote that says: well, we admit that this is a significant extrapolation upwards, but it doesn't matter, yes, you know, it was never like that. The mind is so disturbing that I see that Holland breathes for 30 years he was walking through the channeled lands and what he saw was evidence of, as he called it, a huge flood that in reality Rosenthal fell in three weeks and went through decades of being left sidelined by his insulted colleagues they made fun of him they laughed at him just as skeptics do today but little by little the evidence began to accumulate and they could no longer deny that there had been floods and in fact they finally gave Harlen Bretz Joe Holland Brett is the Penrose Medal, which is the ultimate, you know, the ultimate stolen from geology in the United States.

He received the award and said he was on board for more than 90 yearsat that moment and he said at that moment that he said all my enemies are dead so I have no one to gloat about, but the point is that in a way there was nothing to gloat about because what they did was separate him from his idea central instead of accepting that there had been a great flood. and that was always his view, they said, oh, there must have been 70 or 80 floods that caused all this damage and that's what we're seriously challenging at the moment.

It's so ironic in a way that the human desire for knowledge is what has gotten us to where we are today, we have this insatiable desire for knowledge and innovation, but that same human desire to achieve is also what the ego is responsible for and The ego blocks everything that is contrary to what you have already established. as a fact exactly as soon as you see something that could throw off the gears of what you've been teaching and practicing your whole life and I know you've been through this with Egypt, your whole problem with the Sphinx and with dr.

Schaack and John Anthony West were on the podcast. I was with you recently. Yes, it's amazing, by the way. I'm doing an event in New York with John Anthony West on November 29, where okay, he'll be back. It's linked on my website, the details are on the talks and events pages at a church somewhere, but I'm going to do a presentation and then interview John live on stage for the first time ever. that I'm kind of podcast, you know, in a character like that, it's amazing, I love that guy and in magical Egypt, I think one of the most important things that anyone could see.

I think the DVD series is crazy, it's so spectacular and fantastic. and after going to Egypt with what I haven't done, I think it's probably the second best option. I bet you come back and John is an example of why we need heretics. This is what you see, that science today does. You're right, we have this thirst for knowledge and its human characteristic, but we also engage in particular positions that when people criticize those positions we take it as an existential threat and where we get angry, angry and upset about it if we allow it. If that happens too often, we do not maintain a place for heretics in our society, then we will never do anything new, we will gradually become locked in, ossified in the existing system, we need heretics.

John has been the leading heretic in ancient Egypt for decades pointing out that we should listen to what the ancient Egyptians said, that their civilization was not a crack, it was a legacy, it was a legacy from the time of the gods, and that took me back. to this whole topic. of a lost civilization now when gobekli tepe was discovered he vindicated you in many ways but what are the chances if any of these sites are being explored and exposed? Amu, is there anything else people are watching right now? They are off the radar just a year ago at the bottom of the Sicilian Channel at a depth of over one hundred and twenty feet it has been underwater for at least 9,000 years it is a huge megalithic site before the discovery of Gobekli Tepe that site could never have existed "It has been explained that the dating is absolutely definitive.

The seas rose and covered it at least 9,000 years ago. We don't know how long it was there before it was covered by rising sea levels, but it is there under water and I think underwater discoveries are. We've had a role to play in this over the years. It's one of the ways forward that we need to look at in those areas because there was a 400 foot rise in sea level at the end of the Ice Age. We're looking at the amount of land that would come together in, say, Europe and China combined, that amount of land was swallowed up by those rising seas and archeology has largely proceeded without taking those into account. lost lands I'm not saying they haven't looked at it at all, but they are mainly into marine archeology interested in shipwrecks now this megalithic site there are pictures of this so we can see it there is yes yes yes I can I can probably find it monolith at the bottom of the Sicilian canal try that try a search on that Lift that up, Jamie, yes, but what does this look like?

Has it been clearly established that this is actually the work of man? This is not some kind of yardang or something, of course, there is a dispute, of course, but the mainstream is not. I'm going to accept this overnight, but again, mainstream scientists have figured it out and are absolutely sure they are dealing with a man-made site. There are holes drilled through these megaliths. One of them is very, very big. There are a number of other megaliths. It's not something natural, so here we are seeing some of that, yes, so there is that big megalith divided into two parts right there, oh, yes, and we can say this often with archaeological sites, the problem is the dating .

They know, for example, there are incredible megalithic temples all over the island of Malta, not far from this place, incredible megalithic temples, but they can't date the stone directly, they have to date the organic material associated with the stone and that can give them deceptively. young dates in the case of a site that has been covered by rising sea levels, you can't argue that no one went there and built that 9,000 years ago it had to be built before the seas rose and that gives it an age minimum of 9,000 years. What are the best images we can see?

Because right now I'm just looking at rocks. It's very difficult because I'm looking. That's what I mentioned. I'm afraid that's all you'll see. Those are the best. images of that that existed in 1 just above that is in Yonaguni okay that is not in that is not in the Sicily canal so what are the biggest pieces down there is this here is this way yes, that big thing there I think it's 30 feet long and that's what leads you to believe that this is the work of man, the scientists that worked on it, the fact that there are holes drilled into the stone, the fact that you can go to areas neighbors like Armenia and find really very old megalithic sites where they have exactly the same type of holes drilled through the stones and the holes seem to have been used for astronomical sightings now these sites are a disaster, they have been taken down by the sea, they have been fallen, but we're looking at the Same thing, big megaliths with holes drilled through them and you're also dealing with over 9,000 years of erosion and barnacles came up, all that and the ocean is a tough place to work in, you know, yeah, no. it's easy, visibility can be bad, you're dealing with currents, there are all sorts of problems, this is Britain, just hollow out Cameron, this crazy little underwater ring in James Cameron, well I spent seven years diving or around the world looking at this stuff and you know, it's pretty convincing.

In my opinion, it makes sense that if we know for sure and we know that sea level rose dramatically at the end of the Ice Age, it makes sense that some things would be buried underwater during the Ice Age. Ice Age, whatever you know, you don't have to talk about advanced civilizations or anything other than during the Ice Age they lived on the coasts to establish their communities, everything on the coasts would have probably been one of the most benign places to know you. because on the one hand you are close to sea level, this presence of the seas will soften the climate, etc., so you know that you will probably have the greatest cultural development during the Ice Age.

It will be near the sea, so it will now be underwater, as Graham was talking about, and to me this is probably the future of archeology as marine archaeology, where many discoveries will be made and in that in particular. I mean there are a lot of megalithic structures around the world that if you set that thing up this way and put those citation holes in it, it would look precisely like if you removed the barnacles from it, you know, and no one says, oh, it's proven, but What it is is we have to keep an open mind and say, well, there are some very strong similarities here, so let's investigate this further and that's the point of all of this is that this all needs more investigation, it doesn't need an ar

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I mean, because I think enough evidence has now accumulated to suggest that there is a deep history of the human species on Earth and we are just beginning to really appreciate it. how much deeper it really is than the conventional models of history and instead of just waving an arm and dismissing this with a skeptical trap with a skeptical grimace exactly oh, it's interesting that there are accepted scientific models of humanity when talking about supervolcano, like the super volcano from 60 70 thousand years ago towba, yes, I mean, they practically accept that it wiped out the vast majority of human beings on earth mm-hmm and why the supervolcano hypothesis is so easily accepted, but still the asteroid impact on both are real events.

Both are historically documented. In fact, we really don't. We've never seen a supervolcano take over the world, but we have seen asteroids hit other planets. We've actually seen Shoemaker-Levy like you were talking about. before saying that incarnating Jupiter is an incredible and bigger impact and the planet Earth itself, yes, yes, exactly, like that, yes, and in reality more than 20 impacts each of them would have wiped out all life on Earth , if that object had hit the Earth. Yes, you know, it's something else too. We were talking about underwater structures, but let's also consider the possibility and, again, the work of John Anthony West is important here.

Let us also consider the possibility that we have misidentified a number of structures as being. standing in plain sight like the great sphinx Egyptology read any logical text from Egypt, any encyclopedia, in fact, they will tell you that thing was put there by a specific pharaoh, pharaoh Khafre of the fourth dynasty, around 2500 BC. C., that is not a fact, it is an opinion, but it is presented as a fact there is not a single inscription that relates the Sphinx to that fair or not a contemporary Krypton experience not one that dates back to 2500 BC in fact there is nothing It is not at all just an assumption because it is close to a pyramid which they assume.

The same pharaoh once again relied on the absence of evidence that the sphinx must have been built by them, but Juan Antonio was the first to see that in reality when we look at the sphinx we are looking at a very eroded stone object and that the erosion is very It is strange and that is why he brought Professor Robert Schoch, professor of geology at Boston University, to Giza in 1992 to observe the Sphinx and say what really caused this erosion on the Sphinx and the shock immediately saw that what caused it was exposure to a very long period of intense, intense rains and rains of this type have not fallen in Egypt in the last five thousand years, but they did fall during the Younger Dryas.

We had a prolonged rain due to the comet impact as the ice sheet was pulverized and a massive amount of frozen water was dumped into the upper atmosphere prolonged rain which could have been the cause of the erosion on the Sphinx now what has happened new what discoveries have been discovered in the last year what is new that we can see there in terms of archeology there is not much new gobekli tepe at the moment it is frozen it is just 30 miles from the Syrian border there have been massive riots and unrest in Chandelure, and it's just that they find it very difficult to continue with the archeology of the main city there, it's basically just frozen where it just stopped, they just stopped, you know, and actually, there's an incredible number of these sites.

Another girl magicians site I visited was a bar in Lebanon, an absolutely stunning site and again I am convinced that that site is nuanced. Yes, there is a Roman temple there, but they put that temple there because the site was sacred long before and there is an incredible U-shaped megalithic wall surrounding Baalbek that doesn't seem to have any connection to it. Returning to the Roman structure is an area that is subject to tremendous disturbances and difficulties and it is difficult for archaeologists to proceed, but just in 2014 they made a huge new discovery in Baalbek of a buried block weighing one thousand four hundred and sixty tons that were there in the site they had been working on that site for a hundred years, they only found it in 2014 Wow 1000 tons 1462 is two million pounds, so it's like, I don't know, it can be what math is better than mine and convert it in polo once for £2000, yes £2000 for her in a twist at an imperial ton, so whatever and it had three zeros, double that and it had 3 zeros, that's a horrendous amount of pounds to put down.

In that way, this is the largest block of stone ever cut and quarried in the ancient world and they found it just in 2014. They found it in 2014. Now there is another big one right next door that has been on view for about the last hundred years. I'm surprised that this one right below is covered in sediment. We have a national calculator. Maybe you're the only person unless I'm never going tonowhere without my calculator. AHA. Nobody has one of those we were talking about. yesterday you said that the assistant is a real car. I'm the last one to look after you when, meanwhile, Baalbek was also the site of I mean, a lot of mountain monoliths have been discovered there and it's a really fascinating site. most people have overlooked when talking about ancient structures, I absolutely have to resist.

I have nothing against aliens, but I don't need aliens to explain these things. I think there is a much simpler and more elegant explanation for these. huge archaeological anomalies is a much better lost human civilization, it has been the case I have been arguing for 25 years. I think the extraterrestrial thing is a bit of a distraction, but of course there are aliens, of course the universe is full of life, but Ancient archaeological sites are not good evidence for that idea that, unless you look really hard at the evidence , are not good evidence. I think we are dealing with a lost human civilization and in Baalbek, 20 feet above the ground, we have three blocks of stone joined together so tightly that you cannot fit the edge of a sheet of paper between them, each weighs over 900 tons and They are 20 feet above the ground. terrain is a surprise it's an impressive achievement it's absolutely amazing how they did it and how mainstream archeology addresses what they say the Romans built it all it's the Romans yes, the Romans did it the Romans did some incredible things They did some incredible things, absolutely They did, but this site is separate from the surrounding Roman site, but not part of it in my opinion.

In terms of your question, what's happened in the last year or two? I think that's probably the most significant thing. or certainly up there would be comet research and the discovery, I mean, like this article I have here that came out in 2014, so it's not that old, a layer rich in nanodiamonds on three continents, consistent with a huge impact cosmic at twelve. eighteen hundred years ago and it's something like 2,425 high pedigree scientists and these are what the comet research group gives to the comet research group scientists who have funded all their research themselves, they published another paper in 2050 where this was published, if anyone wants to read this it's in the Journal of geology, yes, but then there are the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences which also houses much of his work and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences gets into in trouble for hosting their work, but they feel it is important.

They keep housing it, this is spectacularly confusing to me because that is incredible science, yes, this is evidence that you can actually weigh these things, you can measure it, you can test it and find out what its components are, this to me is like that. disconcerting, yes it is very disconcerting, they had published another article in 2015. I won't go into details, some of the details are boring, but it's called Basie and chronological analysis and basically what they were seeing is what they asked themselves. Is it possible that this evidence that these nano diamonds, these molten glasses, the carbon spherules have been established gradually and the chronological analysis that you have done answers absolutely no, they were not established gradually, all of this developed over a period of about 24 hours, wow, what a night, yeah, what had happened, Joe, was that for years archaeologists had recognized this matte black layer of Ede at about two dozen or more of the Clovis sites in North America, of which They had studied more than 50. and it was C Vance Haines who wrote an interesting article saying that he was the one who noticed that beneath this matte black layer that is only two or three inches thick in most sites, evidence of the Clovis culture, their tool sets and spearheads were found, etc., we found evidence of extinct megafauna, but not above it, we would find this evidence of this cultural activity and megafauna down to the bottom of the mat layer black, but not above it, so what finally happened was in 2007 Richard Firestone and Alan West and some of their colleagues and it was basically a small group at that time they took a closer look and that's when they started to discover These impact indicators usually right at the base of the layer and layer. itself is carbonaceous, suggesting that a large amount of soot had been deposited, which would imply widespread forest fires.

Factors to study off the coast of California in the Santa Rosa Islands that pretty much concluded that there were just massive wildfires that pretty much wiped out everything and then this was preceded by the deposition of this matte black layer and right at the bottom of this black layer matte is where you'll find the nano diamonds, the magnetic grains, the microspheres, the Ferrell carbonaceous fullerenes, you'll find these impact proxies and they're not all the same everywhere, in fact, that's been one of the things that the critics have taken advantage of, but what they are doing is, I think, taking an oversimplified model and when you look at a comet fragmentation event, you could be looking at the individual pieces they could have very different compositions and what we were talking about before, the torrid meteor stream, I'm not convinced at this point that it was necessarily just an impact event;

It could have been an episode of bombing that could have lasted even several decades. It may have then stopped for a while and we were talking about this last night over dinner that there appears to be a second spasm eleven thousand six hundred years ago that is also associated with a massive rise in sea level that they call there are two peaks of water thaw. peak one a in meltwater peak one B I'm pretty convinced that these meltwater peaks that have been documented by marine geologists and oceanographers are correlated with these ice sheet melting events that I've been observing in terms of their geomorphic consequences. because some of these events, I mean, the only way I can describe some of these meltwater events is that the only modern analogy for this would be a tsunami and we've seen some pretty devastating tsunamis in the last decade or two both in Indonesia as in Japan and I don't know if you have ever seen videos like these tsunamis.

If anyone listens to them, it's definitely worth going online and watching some of these videos where you can really see the incredibly powerful effects of a 30, 40, or 50 foot Tsunami right now, some of the landscapes and I have some images that we can see here shortly, they are places in Montana, Idaho, Washington, where there was literally a tsunami that devastated the land, it was over a thousand feet deep and that The tsunami came from the I'm not an ocean tsunami, it's like it was a tsunami from Fresh water, it's meltwater that comes out of this catastrophic melting of the ice sheet and I've traced the sources of some of this meltwater.

I have made two trips so far. I went into the plateau country of British Columbia looking for the source of this meltwater because in the conventional models now of this flood this goes back to the Harland breaths and basically what they did is they initially said there couldn't have been any flooding. because Harlen Bretz didn't provide a source for the water, they said, the reviewer said, well, you're saying all this evidence in the landscape is evidence of the flood, but what was the source of the flood and he didn't have a source. Then the critics said, "Well, there is no source for the flood water, therefore the flood did not take place at that time, since as the investigation evolved, independent evidence accumulated in western Montana by JT Pardee, who was with the US Geological Survey and was investigating evidence that the mountain valleys of western Montana had been filled with an enormous volume of water and this volume of water appeared to be exactly the same time that brett's as floods, then assumed it was a giant lake and how can you look and we can I think we have some images I think Jamie has some images so we will upload it shortly we are on the side of the mountain you see the shores they bite you know a thousand feet above the valley floor and what he then decided Was he based on an old 19th century interpretation by TC Chamberland that there had been an ice dam?

He said, well, there must have been an ice dam. West of here somewhere in the Clark Fork Valley, a giant lake burst through the ice dam and then this is what would have caused the Harlen Bretz floods, so now the geological community is changing because number one, The evidence is overwhelming and they can no longer deny it, but what they are doing is looking for a gradualist or more uniformist explanation. So they immediately latched onto this well, there's a giant glacial pro or glacial lake front in western Montana. Well, you're talking about five hundred and twenty to five hundred and fifty cubic miles of water, that's a lot of water.

Typically when you have a large lake, you have a huge catchment base and it feeds many streams and rivers that flow into that lake. When you look at any of the great lakes in North America, you have the lake and then you have this big old catchment and all of that feeds into Lake Missoula, the whole lake fills almost the entire catchment. To me, what they did was say, "Okay, we're just going to push the water source from here." so far, but let's not get into the question of where the water came from that is filling these mountain valleys of western Montana and this is what I spent a couple of weeks in September going up some of these, following these valleys down to British Columbia and Hay spectacular evidence and it's almost as if the American geologist stopped at the 49th parallel and said, well, that's the Canadian reserve up there, we'll leave it to them, they have their own theories, we have ours, interestingly, the Canadians say we think . that the water for these floods came from here, but they don't like that because one of the main geologists who said that these floods came from Canada is John Shaw, who basically came there had the idea that the drumlins that are These landforms with inverted boat hull shape found by the hundreds of thousands in glaciated regions were not formed by glaciers moving over the landscape, but were actually formed by massive subglacial water flows and all their critics have been saying well here's the problem, what is the source of your water, therefore it wasn't water, it wasn't subglacial floods, it's easy, a parallel with the Harlen Bretz, a very close story, well, here's what Shaw and his colleagues couldn't really find a plausible explanation. in fact, what they call the Lake Livingstone event required eighty-four thousand cubic kilometers of water and I, eighty-four thousand kilometers, I can do it very quickly.

Here we divide it by 36, that's approximately 2300 cubics. miles of water which is more than all the great lakes combined much larger than all the Great Lakes combined, probably all the lakes in North America combined and he said that this event required more than two thousand cubic miles of water. Well, where did that water come from? so he basically said: well, there must have been a deposit somehow that formed. Critics said it was impossible, so much water could not form under the ice sheet. Well, what's happened now is that the idea of ​​a major cosmic impact on the ice sheet has completely disappeared.

It avoided the need for a subglacial reservoir because we now have a way to instantly melt huge volumes of ice. It is no longer a mystery when the water came. It was fully explained and this has been the missing piece of the puzzle until the comet research group began to identify this evidence well, I find it baffling that this is a source of controversy because we know that the Great Lakes were created by the melting of glaciers. We also know that there are vast areas of North America that are flattened by these glaciers. You already know a friend of mine.

Doug lives in Cazenovia Wisconsin, which is what is called the Driftless area where the glaciers did not pass. I was only there in May. It's peuta, it's beautiful, it's beautiful, it's beautiful with the rolling hills and it just wasn't crushed. other parts of North America were right, so we know those glaciers melted and created the Great Lakes. I mean, the Great Lakes were glacial. We know that's an established fact, so why is all this confusing? I just don't understand why. You wouldn't just add that, you can just accept the big glaciers in one form or another in the last 10,000 years, the glaciers just decided to stop crushing North America and melt and create these big inland freshwater oceans, yeah, yeah, those are.

It's very strange, ultimately there is a lot of ideology involved in this, there is a desire, also in the modern world there is a desire not to scare the public, not to say thingsthat will cause panic. Now that Donald Trump is president, I think people are ready now. I think people are ready to panic. I think anyone has debated this, any of you have debated this, well, you know, I tried it with Dan, but not specifically about this. I tried to do a debate with Zahi Hawass who was the guy who runs the pyramids of Giza and the crazy yeah, yeah, total, I mean, very crazy event, there's a video online, there's a video online, the debate lasted what 30 seconds is something like that. yes, yes, yes, and then, and then when he finally agreed to come back to the room because he was so angry with me, he came out when he finally came back to the room, they asked him a question about gobekli tepe and just like you.

You are skeptical, you didn't know anything about gobekli tepe or you claimed not to. I mean, he's supposed to be the most famous archaeologist in the world and he didn't know anything about this incredible site in a neighboring country, but One point to make clear that Randall was talking about the second event eleven thousand six hundred years ago that we're dealing with and with a Cataclysm episode beginning twelve thousand eight hundred years ago and ending eleven thousand six hundred years ago, both episodes accompanied by massive events. floods and the date of eleven thousand six hundred years ago that I may have mentioned last year is in magicians of the gods.

The interesting thing about that is that it is the exact date that Plato gives us for the destruction of the lost civilization of Atlantis. Plato that isThe The only source we have about Atlantis comes to us. Many people think that it is everywhere, but it is not Atlantis. Atlantis comes to us from the Greek philosopher Plato, who lived around 340 BC. C. and obtained the story through his family line, from his ancestor Solon. who had visited Egypt in 600 BC. and there Solon was told of a great civilization that had existed on earth that was the progenitor civilization of Egypt but that was destroyed in a terrible cataclysm and he asked if there was a cataclysm that involved a gigantic flood and Atlantis was submerged. under the waves and was never seen again and then Solon told the priests when this happened and they said three to nine thousand years ago, that was 600 B.C., so that's 9600 B.C., that's eleven thousand six hundred years ago, that's meltwater pulse 1b, how?

Could you please know, yes, how we might have to start taking these things more seriously instead of making fun of them and dismissing them? We need to leave some room for extraordinary ideas that are possibly right, that's the main problem I have with the Skeptics is that they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I want to add something to that in the Timaeus, you know, Plato talks about Atlantis in two dialogues and in two Timaeus he prefaces 'like the story of Atlantis telling the myth of Phaethon now. The myth of Phaethon is a very interesting story and basically what it is, since Phaethon was a descendant of Leo, the Sun God who was raised did not know who his father was, his mother kept it a secret from him and then one day, he being teased at school because all his schoolmates knew you telling about his parents' great deeds and everything, so he went home distraught and finally his mother said: well, actually your father is everyone's great-grandfather them, Helios, the Sun God, so Phaethon decides.

He is going to go find his father and eventually he does and goes to some celestial realm where his father is and just like the Greek gods, they have unlimited powers, except they also have certain restrictions, e.g. . If a God makes a promise, he or she cannot keep it again, so when Leo sees Phaethon bringing his lost son, he is overjoyed and says "I am very happy to see you, I will grant you any blessing you want" and Phaethon says "I." I want to drive the car towards the sun I want to drive your car and hey Leo says well I meant anything you wanted except you know so it comes and goes and comes and goes finally destiny and convinces his father let him let me do it his father says look , you have to hold on tight to those reins because those steeds are going to get away from you, he goes in there, the gates of the Sun open, he describes it in the myth, you can go, you know, you can read Edith Hamilton or Bulfinch or any of the great stories from the Greek myths and they will describe it there, it goes through the signs of the zodiac and then all of a sudden it shoots out and comes down to earth and then it describes this whole litany of catastrophe. setting fire to the earth and finally to Jupiter at the plea of ​​Poseidon, who fears that the oceans are going to boil, make Zeus climb his Mount Olympus and throw his Thunderbolt that knocks Phaethon out of the sky and falls to the earth. and Adonis falls into the river Aire, which is a metaphor for the Milky Way and its sisters, hell, the yachts then cry for the death of their brother and their tears fall to the earth and cause the great flood.

Plato, after referring to that myth, says Now this is in the form of a myth but what it really represents is a decline or decline of the bodies in space orbiting the earth in an eventual fall to the earth of one of those bodies and a conflagration of all things caused by the fall of that body, it is intriguing that it mentions the zodiac because because the torrid stream of meteorites is so cold, it seems to come towards us from the direction of the constellation of Taurus, the zodiacal constellation which is where those shooting stars are found, among which are some very large objects that have hit us in the past and may hit us again in the future that is where they come from they come from that area of ​​the sky it is actually an illusion it seems that they do not actually come from Taurus it seems that they come from that area of ​​the sky they come from that area of ​​the sky and anyone in ancient times who has witnessed it and according to Victor Clube and William Napier and those guys who are the British neo catastrophists who have been doing all this work for decades. on the meteor shower have concluded that, in the past, it was an extremely active shower and would have created some pretty impressive light shows, even if it wasn't causing catastrophes down here, but what they have surmised. is that there can be times of multiple Tunguska-type impact bombardments when you know they could because there could be thousands of objects within the afternoon meteor stream on the same scale as the Tunguska object and that if you go and read the accounts, eyewitness accounts over and over again and people say things like, well, it looked like it was being detached from the Sun, it looked like it was being born from the Sun, right, it looked like a second Sun in the sky, like for a short period of time the The Sun had a twin, well, the summer torrents come from their parody of passing around the Sun, so you like the grain, it said that they make an elliptical orbit towards Jupiter and return around the Sun in this current, the Earth crosses that stream twice a year.

At the end of June and beginning of July we cross, but at that point they are coming from the direction of the Sun, so their arrival on Earth will be very difficult to see because they are coming from the direction of the Sun, but that is exactly it. where a torrid meteor would come from on June 30th and also the fact that it is the perfect date for the shower's peak and the right place in the sky to me is pretty compelling evidence that it was most likely a remnant . of that torrid current the other time the earth crosses is at the end of October beginning of November in fact we just passed out in the last week basically, but it peaks curiously by coincidence between October 30th and the 4th or 5th November, so it peaks around In fact, around Halloween time they have been called Halloween meteors and there are some very intense jobs that I work on sometimes called Halloween fireworks, yes, but there is some very intense work interesting done by an early 20th century researcher named Grant Halliburton, who spent about 15 years.

In investigating the connections between ancient calendars, he concluded that something very interesting was that many of these ancient calendars were synchronized by people's observations of the rise and fall of the Pleiades, which is the shoulder of the bull. The Pleiades basically comprise part of these constellations. like Taurus, yes, yes, the shoulder of the bull and what occurred to him was that in his research he discovered that many of these stories that were associated with us, such as the slaughter of the celestial bull, you already know Gilgamesh and Enkidu in the early known times. In the story, they fight the celestial rocks, there are many counterparts and variants of that in mythical stories, and what he then discovered was that in many cases, our modern Halloween actually dates back thousands of years, to an ancient day. of the Dead that was observed. around the world at the same time every year, even in the southern hemisphere, and usually revolves around a commemoration of the Pleiades culmination, which is when the Pleiades cross the local meridian - in other words, they reach the keystone of the Royal Arc, so to speak in the sky, so if you go out now on Halloween and look south in the northern hemisphere, you will see the Pleiades right at midnight, they will be like this if you think that the arc of the zodiac is like something like that . a clock is right there at midnight at midnight, well here's the interesting link is that in all of these myths what Halliburton discovered over and over again was that the Day of the Dead ultimately went back to the myths about the destruction of the world by a great flood and/or fire, it's fascinating that it all comes out of the Taurus constellation, and it's the celestial bull that they are fighting in these ancient myths and then all these cultures around the world are celebrating the day of the dead this at the same time these amazing things and at this moment our science is closing its eyes to this.

I think it's fair to say with the torrid stream of meteorites, which is a very important topic in this whole discussion, that we are dealing with a hidden hand in human history, it is something that will ultimately require us to explain again. most. Skeptics hate it. They can't stand it because, firstly, it involves cataclysms, and secondly, it involves the possibility of losing an entire civilization from the record. It's really interesting. When we look at the dates of this group, this bombardment episode between twelve thousand eight hundred and eleven thousand six hundred years ago, that is the period that immediately precedes what mainstream scholars consider the very beginnings of civilization and they never have. .

Maybe if they are not even to blame it is because this is so recent this science is so new that they have not had time to adapt to it but if they adapt and take this into account then suddenly what was an extraordinary and absurd idea an idea impossible that there was a lost civilization twelve thousand years ago becomes a very plausible and reasonable idea and then we begin, once we can, once we take that into account, then we can begin to open our eyes to archaeological anomalies like the Great Sphinx like Baalbek, like submerged ruins like Gobekli.

Tepe and we began to consider what it all means. Are we actually a species with amnesia? Are we here forgetting the truth about ourselves? Maybe that's why we're so awake. Know? Because we don't really know that we have made peace. a story about where we come from, what we are, I certainly think that plays a role and I also think that conservative skepticism is probably wise when it comes to most scientific questions, most things that come up and that people claim I mean, there are so many crazy charlatans who claim to have made new discoveries, but in some cases they examine these discoveries as long as they are far enough from us or strange enough like this new planet to believe they have a 90 sign. planets.

Yeah, yeah, they're pretty sure there's something out there beyond the Kuiper Belt and they think it's massive. They think it's at least four times bigger than the United States or then, excuse me, the world in the world and it has an orbit of about ten thousand. years, yes, and that's interesting with comets because this huge massive object that is circulating in the outer solar system through the Kuiper belt, which is the source of many of the comets that hit the Earth, is destabilizing the comets of safe orbits and placing them in really dangerous orbits. our path between right and wrong, but what is the source of all these near-Earth objects?

Does it have anything to do with Earth one and Earth two? Does it have anything to do with the initial impact that created the moon? We were hit by another planet right during the formation of the Earth and this is all scientifically established. Astroscientists or astrophysicists rather and astronomers agree on that. There is a lot of debris that would date back to that time, but comets are another story. because they come from the farthest reaches of outer space, they come from the Oort cloud and the coital, great distances away, they are your travelers, they are a kind of messages from the distant reaches of outer space. cosmoses that arrive in an unpredictable way because their orbits are destabilized bysomething like Planet Nine, isn't there something called the law of omen where you can measure the mass and orbit of a certain planet and you can accurately represent where the next planet is? it's going to be and that won't fall apart somewhere between Mars and Jupiter that's with the asteroid belt yes yes yes which would indicate that probably something was there what in the asteroid belt theory that it was a planet that exploded, Of course, there is a lot? opposition to that theory too, you know, you're right, skepticism really does have an important role to play, it's very, it's really, it's really essential that we be skeptics, otherwise we'd all be following Zecharia Sitchin to get the Anunnaki to land. exactly how they would do it.

We sold our houses on December 21, 2012. We would all follow the "now I'm homeless" example years later. I have to say that there is a skeptic named Michael Heizer who has really done an excellent job of thoroughly debunking the false translations of Zechariah. sitchin is wrong communication hook up with his doctor wrong it's very useful it's a very useful site so we hate it and love it at the same time it's very sad. I love the idea of ​​aliens coming down and manipulating the monkeys and making us their own. Gold, it's a wonderful story, but unfortunately it's a work of science fiction, not a work of fact.

Yes, we need it. I knew him. He was a fascinating man. I once took him from Stonehenge to London. We had many conversations. He was a deep and serious person. investigator, but I think he got carried away by his own fence. I also think that fantasy became very lucrative and also became a source of identity for him. Yeah, you know, I followed him pretty closely. I have also read. on planet 12 and I got really the research from India and this was in my early days as a weed smoker, when I started smoking weed, so I was all in, I was all in and then as I got wiser, and then, as I got not honest, maybe I'm not any wiser, I just started to objectively recognize why these things are so attractive.

The fantastic is more attractive than the practical, so again I don't want to disparage Sitchin and I'm here too. To say that Sitchin did a really good job, he's a smart guy and he did a lot of very, very, very thorough research. I just lost track, I actually smoked too much dope, where was I going, what were we talking about, and the whole difference between fantastic and practical that there is this inclination to accept things that are fun, yeah, you know, that's What I was going to say is that when you start talking about the Anunnaki, those from heaven to earth whip these fantastic creatures, thank you for bringing them.

In my memos, the Office thing, I remember having to say something that's interesting in part because I know it could be good sometime. What's interesting is that the level of technology that Zakaria attributes to the Annunaki oblique Nephilim, that that level of technology is the level of technology that we had in the 1970s when we were, you know, NASA was doing their thing, so that it is NASA technology from the 1970s that is projected onto a gram, but it is projected onto your theory. of the past now seems very unlikely to me that the Nephilim or the Anunnaki would have had for four hundred thousand years, which is what he is saying, the same technology that NASA had in the 1970s is much more likely to be projected into the data . rather than actually inherent to the point, he also had some interesting ideas that turned out to be ideas that scientists had also proposed about preserving our atmosphere by levitating or suspending reflective particles in our atmosphere and that is something that the Annunaki in their books We're going to use gold because gold has unique properties, that's why they use gold to plate things because you can take a little piece of gold and you can plate this whole table.

The objectives are truly spectacular, yes. part of I want to say, there is nothing like it, at all, there is not much really good material in Szczecin, but unfortunately the translations of the texts the translations of the texts are not texe translations, they distort the text often what it did was take a 19th century translation and he massaged it so that he knew it fit his argument and that's a shame, so we need skeptics and they help us separate the wheat from the chaff, but occasionally, what do skeptics do with this impulse? From time to time they criticize anything that is not common, what they do is let go of a very good idea that deserves research and from which the human species could benefit and that is my feeling: with this incredible species we have developed all this science, Because, why?

I'm so willing to let go of wonderful ideas. I also find it fascinating that, because of what Sitchin has been criticized for, people now ignore things that are absolutely undeniable, like the stone tablets themselves, the clay tablets where you can see representations of the solar system in some way or another these people from more than 6,000 years ago had a detailed map of the sources a clear idea of ​​the source what the size is in a relatively correct order on the planets in the right place as if somehow or another they knew that Jupiter was bigger that Mars knew these things in some strange way and we don't know why we don't know how also the caduceus represents the double helix of DNA, that's a really fascinating concept that the caduceus is used for medicine that it is used to inform that Gaia did, it's a shame there was so much madness involved in it, I think what any of us should do when exploring the deep, hidden mysteries of the past is turn to many different sources.

For many, the thing not to do is just stick with the mainstream, not just stick with the alternative, but try to put it all together, and in a way that's what I try to do in my books, accept that skeptics They still hate them, yes, but. It's very difficult because it's so fun to follow the crazy story, yes, the alien story is so compelling, it's so fun, a very compelling story. I mean, if we found some kind of evidence of aliens, it would be absolutely spectacular, even if it was a simple alien, like I've always said if we had a jellyfish on the moon we'd be scared, but you know, there's really complex and strange things going on underneath. of our ocean that we have never discovered, only them.

We're just not in the right place for us to get excited and then the other issue that we're getting a little bit off of our flood theme here actually, but the other issue of entities that in encounters with entities anyone who has smoked DMT does it. will know. Just as I, like you, will know that you encounter entities in the DMT in the DMT state and they communicate with us and there are many parallels with the ETS or extraterrestrials as described in modern UFO abduction accounts and Rick Strassman, have you ever had him on your show?

You know Rick got sick. He was supposed to be here a couple of times. We are trying to reschedule it now. Yes, but he had some pretty serious health problems. Now we had an appointment scheduled, but. I love it, that guy had the opportunity to sit down with him a couple of times and talk to him and of course you introduced this molecule to DMT, yeah, it's brilliant and it's very important to me because I remember when I did it I was so Confused, I mean. For me it was like the first time, my first experience with DMT changed everything I thought about the world and I immediately didn't care about aliens anymore, like it was almost instantaneous like before.

I thought like Roswell, they have what they have. the man on the ship, yes, he is in a hangar, but what I found when doing DMT was so spectacularly alien that it is a pedestrian concept of something that looks like a person but has a bigger head, enlarged eyes in high attack, yes, yes , it was as weird and cool as it would be. If it was real, it was nothing, I mean literally not one millionth of the interesting thing that you can find when you do DMT, that's the aliens, that's the aliens, this completely strange realm full of extraterrestrial intelligences that were communicating and, of course, again the skeptics say oh, it's all just invented in your brain, but we don't know and Rick is open to the possibility that we are dealing with areas of reality that are not normally accessible to our senses becoming accessible. to our senses by retuning the wavelength of the receiver. the brain, which is what DMT suggests he does and I think that is very plausible and at least those who are interested in UFOs and aliens should also investigate this line of research.

Can we use changes in consciousness to understand the majestic? complexity of the universe that we live in and I think the answer is definitely yes and many of Rick's volunteers I paraphrase them but they came back with reports that the entities that found them said we are very happy to have discovered this technology now. we can communicate with you much more easily, you know it's fascinating, so there is a technology to find other intelligences and, against that, this simplistic and mechanistic alien meme that is circulating now that they are a little like us, but they came here with greater technology, more technology. it's boring compared to it's boring compared to if you're interested in someone, the book is amazing, it's called DMT, the spiritual molecule, and he has a new book he's publishing about DMT and the spirit and the soul of prophecy, yeah, and He's a really interesting guy, but his experience that he did experiments that he did was the first, I think, in many decades to be approved by the government properly, so he did everything on the surface, I mean, he was sincere, he did it. and because it was approved by the government, his brief was that he had to find some therapeutic benefit to DMT and he actually couldn't, but that's not the point.

I'm sure there are actually therapeutic benefits, but that's not the point. Here is a tool to investigate the mystery of consciousness and the mysterious nature of reality and I mean, if we get five or six volunteers who have not compared notes or come back with found entities who have said we are very happy that you found this. technology, yeah, it's hard to explain that, just to boil it down to brain activity, not just when we're talking about things that are so big and ignored by the dominant culture, this is like that, you're talking about an endogenous human chemical, yeah. that's not just in the US, but it's in thousands of different plants, like when, how many different plants contain DMT, huge, huge, very prosaic amounts, like peas, and you know, there's the money recorder. , okay, yes, that's what I was going to say, the Australian oriental tree is actually it's illegal, this is not what Jerusalem would be, the professors at the university of Jerusalem, I think any Shannon, yes, what they were speaking, they think that's the story of the burning bush and Moses, so that's Mimoza with the DMT and the Syrian government with the monoamine oxidase inhibitor, in other words, it's ayahuasca, but it's a Middle Eastern alternative that makes the same thing we like molecularly and isn't it possible in some way that the idea of ​​the burning bush was something they had realized? how to dry or extract DMT never in a lot of light most likely true because they are talking about the burning bush that produces God, yes, and it just so happens that this bush is the acacia tree, it is incredibly common in the super rich and DMT and that's it. about the area and I should probably insert at this point that if you are familiar with Masonic ritual you will know that the acacia plant plays a central role, which is why you are one of those one percent Masonic characters from time to time.

Now I was in from time to time on Randall's Facebook. They accuse me of being a Mason. Hancock is a Freemason. I know. He explains as if he explains everything. I know there are many Freemasons. I spoke at Masonic lodges, but I'm an author and I shouldn't belong to clubs, you know, I went to some, I went to a wedding where my friend Duncan Trussell was performing for these two Satanists, and from 2003 to this day, I was one of the lavas Anton LaVey or Stanton Levay, whatever. His son, oh, and his son got married, he was a young hedonist, you know, and they call themselves Satanists, so Duncan performed at this wedding and I went there to this day.

I get tweets about being a satanist so I can't join your little buddy in the club. None of your masons. I need to confess to you, Graham, yes, you didn't realize this, but I secretly initiated you, oh my God, oh, you're in for him to come in. I made it so you could include it if you wanted, although of course, if you know people, oh, of course, even you, Joe, I don't think anything's going to happen, bro. I did not do it. I met a couple of Freemasons. They are great, well most Freemasons don't really understand the corpus of symbolism they are sitting on.

I have to say that so as not to get mad at the Freemasons, but there's just a mass of symbolism and that's it. what they are custodians and most of them have no idea what it means, but they aredoing an important job of preserving this corpus of symbolism through the design of the lodge and the meaning of each component in the lodge because it is a purely astronomical allegory and then you have the Masonic rugs and that is where you have the whole story of the comet the flood everything is there the acacia plant everything is there correct me for my mistake but it's all also an An integral part of how Washington DC was designed is true, yes, to a certain extent.

I don't know, honestly, I haven't studied that, but what I've seen is that there are a lot of videos where you can see it. They kind of describe how the design, you know, is in some ways a kind of sacred geometry. I believe what is based on the Freemasons were massively involved in the building of Washington, as well as many large cities. The city I live in in England has made you aware of important Masonic architecture, so is this how people like me like my initial prejudice? I hear something like the Freemasons, I have guys in a cult, get out of here, leave me alone, like we assume that all groups of people who follow something, in some way, other crazy Freemasons in my opinion are very much a men's drinks club, mainly that's what the men earn, but they can make special arrangements to bring women into much of my life when I give a talk at a hostel I've given talks at two or three hostels and they asked me to do it , then they do a special ceremony to allow my wife Santa to come in because I'm not going anywhere without Santa and women can come in, but then there's more, there are others within Freemasonry who pursue deeply esoteric interests and explore the mysteries and you can have Amazing conversations and facets, it's just another group of people who you know are doing their own thing, it's not for me, I wouldn't join.

No, I would lose. I think if I joined Freemasonry it would weaken me as an author. I think I can comment on these things better if I am not a member of any group. That is interesting. Because you believe that? well, because I think I have to stay open to all possibilities and if I commit to a particular line, I don't commit to a particular religion, I don't commit to a particular men's club either, just what is masonry? . I think if I commit to that a little bit, eventually I'll become a spokesperson for that, and I don't want to be.

That makes a lot of sense considering your occupation and how important having an open mind has been to your life is absolutely vital without it, how could you have made fingerprints of the guys you couldn't, should have? I mean, and the first thing you did was tell me about Ethan, that place where they think the Covenant Ark is located, which is one of the strangest ideas ever and that was my first book about a historical mystery with the sign on the ceiling, that's right, and when you analyze it, it's very interesting, but I've always imagined you as a young man forced to come to terms with this strange evidence: you have these old people who have cataracts in their eyes as if they were near places of radiation and no one is allowed to come in and see this and they claim that they have the Ark of the Covenant there and what is there I think it was the beginning of a magic, it was the beginning of a magical journey for me, it has been a magical journey for all your fans also for guys like me, man when I read.

Fingerprints of the Gods for me was one of those books that I just couldn't put down and it was so mind-blowing and this again was at the heart of my yeah, fuck, a theorem and fingerprints was published in 1995 and The Magicians came out in 20 in 2015 and I would say at that time, the evidence when I made the case for a lost civilization and a global cataclysm in the fingerprints of the gods I cannot begin to explain the amount of hostility and anger. and the rage I generated in the academic community the idea was considered absolutely absurd twenty years later with the magicians of the gods it is no longer so absurd the evidence is increasing we have incredible evidence now of a global Cataclysm exactly in the period counting from twelve ago One thousand eight hundred and eleven thousand six hundred years and we have sites like gobekli tepe we have a redefinition of the Sphinx the whole area is about to explode in the future we are on the brink I believe in a paradigm shift and this comet material is central.

What I really appreciate about your courage is that you have also had the courage to admit that when you have made mistakes you are not. In no way do you pretend to be some kind of bearer of secret knowledge that no one else possesses absolutely not a guru I don't want to be anything like that I'm a reporter that's what I am and I'm a reporter who reports on unconventional topics and to some extent I'm a me I am an outsider so one of the talks I do now is about being an outsider. I think there is a place for outsiders in society.

Well, I don't think you're an outsider. I think you're an outsider. an outsider of established ideas. I just think that's the same thing. We are both outsiders in that area. I'm working in different fields to get into this, but don't you think that these established channels that were so deeply entrenched in the distribution of information that those things have expanded so much now what you're getting, I mean, a professor could make a podcast like you could teach a class, you could write a book or you can do a podcast on a certain topic and so you know Dan Carlin and that hardcore history podcast.

I can't stop raving about what he's done: he brings accurate but truly dramatic historical stories of real events that took place for millions just like you. You know, that's just, no one is doing that. this is, but it's not a common thing, well, what's more common than being number one on the iTunes podcast chart, which is all the time, what's more common and must be getting millions of downloads, is part of the great change that is taking place in our society. the old structures are being overthrown it is being thrown away it is a very uncomfortable time it is a very uncertain time it is a very exciting time because we can build if there is something amazing in the future the internet has had a very important role to play It is the fact that people They can communicate with each other all over the world since I have had a presence on the web recently.

I was late, but maybe 2 or 2 or 3 years ago I was contacted by professionals from all over the world. In the world I have probably a dozen major ones. I have geologists who want to know more, and interestingly, you said earlier about the debate. You know, I'm always looking for someone to debate that with, right? You know, because I have questions and I'm thinking that maybe someone, even someone who disagrees with me on something good, will still help me answer some of the questions correctly, but I try to associate as much as possible and hang out with professionals in the field and, of course, what I discover is that many of them are working on these things part-time almost clandestinely without it being part of their you know, if I go on a geologists study trip to the floodplains, none of them really work full time, everything is part time.

I know they're working for the government, they're working for the oil companies or, you know, exploration, mineral exploration, whatever, they're doing this geological catastrophe research on their own time, but recently, last summer, they invited me to present some of my research to the Atlanta Geological Society, which is the largest society of professional geologists in the Southeast, so I jumped at the opportunity instead of what you know and introduced myself in hopes that someone would challenge me to say wait a Second, there's a flaw in your Thinking It Didn't Happen, so did you make friends with some of these mainstream geologists?

Oh, yeah, well, I mean, they knew me. I mean, I just did a trip for um in September, I spent 10, 10 days on the flood lines and there were geologists with me on that trip, so yeah, I'm meeting more and more people who are also working. You know, I majored in geology and I'm still in regular contact with the head of the geology department. I see her pretty much on a regular basis and have been keeping her informed about some of my stuff and she has offered to sponsor me at any time. I think I can prepare it as a dissertation mm-hmm, but we'll see how it goes, I mean my goal was to learn geology, not to become a professional geologist who wasn't interested in working for the government or working for you know the energy industry.

I had geological questions and that's why I did geology and you've been down the road and in my opinion you know more about this stuff than 10 geologists with full PhDs, yeah you always scare me so what fascinates me about all this is that I think what you have done has been very measured, you know everything, you back it up with facts and photographs. and descriptions and disclaimers, you know when you say well, you might go down other different paths. You're not dogmatic about these ideas, but you've spent a lot of time going over this. I don't know if there is another one. if there is a comparable guy in mainstream archeology who has been public about it like you have because if there is, I feel like we probably would have heard of him, his podcasts were the ones we did, they were seen by millions of people they didn't listen to them , millions of people, I mean, information is coming out and making a real difference, there will always be guys like, I think Michael Shermer is very important and they won't criticize him, but that knee-jerk reaction to do something to make fun of something or put down something that is not common, like in one of his tweets, he said you know what archeology with evidence is and he wrote archeology like, why would you tweet that this doesn't make any sense, like that someone who is not paying attention to the work but did that all he did was focus on Evan.

I remember the Shakespeare line. I think the lady protests too much. Why does she need to say that she has evidence? You know, it's like she sees a tweet. like Fox News saying fair and balanced, you know he's tweeting you this, yeah, meanwhile, your entire book is based on photographic evidence, yeah, and all the other evidence. I mean, you're adding documents to each other without examining all these pieces. of evidence yes, it's not that these aren't things you made up no, these are real sites that you can see. I'm drawing inferences from them that they don't like it, that's what Robert Schoch and the boys like.

They are such important guys that they have the courage to see who is a professor from Boston University absolutely encouraged to look at the stones and say that this is a product of water erosion, too nice for us: Robert Schoch as a geologist, as an academic geologist of career, who took that risk and put himself there and followed the evidence where it leads. Another is Danny Hillman Natta with the judge in Indonesia, who has been responsible for the investigation of this extraordinary site in Gunung Padang, where work has stopped since 2014 again. He is a highly accredited geologist.

He is the leader of Indonesia. expert on megaearthquakes, but he has been doing archeology research and bringing his geological expertise to that, so things are changing, we are finding academics who are willing to participate and discuss. I got into a very interesting city email correspondence with a guy. "I called Daniel Loman at Beck's bar, but from the German Archaeological Institute, who is an architect and archaeologist, and he was very polite to me and answered my question in depth. We had quite a long debate which is very refreshing, that kind of thing was ". It didn't happen 20 years ago, yeah that's very refreshing now, what's with those pyramids in Bosnia?

What's the problem with that? I've been there. I personally know Samos with magic. Sam is the guy who promoted the site. I like Sam a lot. I must say that when I am in his aura I am extremely convinced, but when I rationally look at the so-called pyramids, I do not believe that they are his pyramids. I think they are hills. I did it. I hung out with Sam showing me around and spent three days in Bosnia looking at the so-called Pyramid of the Sun, the Pyramid of the Moon, the Pyramid of Love, etc., etc. I see that a tourist industry has developed around it. this and it is a fabulously beautiful intriguing site and the huge beautiful mountainous place, but they are hills, they are not pyramids.

The impression is given that there are tunnel passages inside the pyramids. That is not true. The passages are about two and a half kilometers away. very low tech I just don't see it and for that reason I didn't cover the Bosnian pyramids of the magicians of the gods I'm not going to say they're not pyramids I'm not going to write a book saying they're wrong but it didn't move me enough to justify dedicate a chapter to them there are much more exciting and important archaeological discoveries that are being made like gobekli tepe that need more space and there are some pyramids -like structures or hills in China too, there are hundreds of thousands of pyramids in China, the province of Zeon is right in the moment you land there, four of your planes you're seeing pyramids everywhere.

I have heard that there are certainly hundreds and hundreds of them distributed in fields disappearing into the distance in all directions.built on terraces and used for agriculture, but local farmers grow crops on them. I went there with Chinese archaeologists, they haven't excavated a single one, not a single one why. They didn't say we don't have this it was almost ten years ago I was there they said they probably had the money now but they said then they didn't have the money they said we are an old country we don't care if we wait 200 years to get to this it's crazy and the famous tomb of the first emperor is part of this pattern, it is also a pyramid, it has not been excavated either, the terracotta army around it has been firm, the terracotta army is amazing, oh yes.

It was on display somewhere, wasn't it a place where you could go and see it? They made some kind of cheat. I want to see that thing. I would like to see those things. What a strange concept. Now, these pyramids. So this one. this Emperor was buried and what the terracotta army had was a pyramid is also a period, it is absolutely a man made pyramid, the Terracotta Army was buried around its edges, not in the pyramid itself, so the army was there to protect him. Yes, protecting your soul in the afterlife seems to have been the idea of ​​the seams and then there is a mythology that has descended that inside the pyramid there is a lake of mercury and that there are mechanical devices there that will shoot arrows at you if you enter and there are a whole story about how intensely protected it is and to this day it is not being excavated, that's crazy, how could anyone leave that alone?

And you know, even important archaeological sites like Tiahuanaco in Bolivia, for example, you will find that only about 2% of the site has been excavated. I don't know how we can draw inferences about the entire site from a small fraction of a fragment like that and that's the problem, I think, with archeology and that's why we have to You know, consider another way: we're looking at a picture of the Terracotta Army. Now you know, in front of this pyramid and it's spectacular now that I think about it. I don't think it was on display anywhere. I think maybe they had a a couple of them they brought some of them they came to the British Museum there were several museums Lee but it's so much bigger than I thought it was, you know, I mean, there's, I mean, how many, there's thousands, yeah , thousands of these terracotta figures absolutely and this period were made of what was Stone, round earth, mainly well, so they just shaped the ground.

They dug, yes, they brought dirt and turned it into a pyramidal mound on top of it, but it wasn't just that they're not huge blocks of stone, they're not huge things, that's why they can farm on the sides of some of these pyramids. It's strange, yes, then they would do it. Not building these giant mounds of dirt and then digging holes in it and holding it up tight, they probably created the inside, you know, underground while they were building everything hmmm and just piled dirt on top of it, yeah wow, what a weird way to make a house, yeah , and then we have to consider this with archaeological sites around the world, is that any site may not be the product of a single culture, but may have been reworked, worked on and used by many different ones.

I found out about this from a friend of John Anthony West who was here with him. He showed me that he lives in China and he showed me a video of it and I thought, how can I do this? I didn't know about this. I had no idea there are so many of them. There is also one that is displayed here. What are these controversial ancient pyramids of China? One looks like it's displayed on blocks, yeah, well, that's another thing about China that we just have no idea about when we think about the age and scale of things, we're so dumb that we've only been around since you know, in 1776. , is when the country was established.

Actually, you haven't been dealing with China that long. literally thousands of years of civilization, all rising and falling and taking place, adapting and growing, everything in this mm-hmm area that is still in our eyes in many ways is a little behind, right? I mean, they're behind environmentally. back as far as human rights are concerned, consider this, the Portuguese in the late 15th century went around the Cape of Good Hope and entered the Indian Ocean in their small ships, entered the Indian Ocean and actually established a huge Empire. They go everywhere to Malacca, it's okay, the seas are open for them, if they had come forty years earlier they would have found Chinese treasure ships that were 50 times bigger than the small caravels that the Portuguese sailed in Bastion, would they? did you know? what the Chinese did at that time, they went through a period where they felt like they just wanted to give gifts to people and they put together these huge fleets that carried incredibly precious gifts, silks and ceramics, and they took them all over the Indian Ocean and just They gave them to them. to the people, so off the coast of East Africa and in East Africa you can find remains of this pottery from this episode and then a Chinese emperor appeared and closed the doors burned all the boats closed everything and didn't let anyone speak .

China for 200 years, wow, what an idiot, well, they felt it was time for Chinese culture to turn inward, yeah, and they were afraid that their ancient culture was in one and that maybe there had been a laudable motive in that . worried that ancient culture was going to be contaminated by too much contact was not that which generated cultures from other places and that was a factor in the constant desire to maintain the current human situation, we have to say that it is some kind of human nature, yeah sure I'd love to see some of these images yeah let's look at the chemists drones coming in like Prairie and what it is please unless let's take a look.

Chinese parents still surprise me, they surprise me too. I just can't believe they didn't ask them. It is a creepy and creepy scene. I would recommend anyone to go to SIA, not only is it amazing how many of them there are. and how inexplicable it all is and again feeds into my overall point: we don't remember our past, what are we looking at here, okay, let's pause so we can talk about what we're looking at, yeah, look This way, you could press the microphone right on front, yeah, okay, this is the beginning, but okay, this is what I'm really telling you: we're looking at a place in western Montana called Camas Prairie and you see some hills in the foreground and you see a basin in the bottom, well, right here at the top of this hill and down on the side here you see that there are some coring operations that are gravel extraction because everything you're seeing here, all this landscape between The hills are these large masses of gravel, billions of tons of gravel.

Now what we're going to do is start sweeping while the video is playing and you're going to load us down here with a series of waves, okay? okay and I'm going to have Jamie pause in a second, but let's keep coming, you start to see the waves in your landscape, let's pause right there, let's pause now. I wish I had a pointer, but if you look up, you're going to see a flat piece of land like a tongue that comes out rounded. Jamie is here, that's what a laser gives you, that's a delta, that's a delta, you know what a delta is, have you ever heard of Delta?

It is when a river enters a body. of water and carries sediment and because the river moves quickly, it carries sediment, but when it reaches the body of stagnant water, it slows down and drops its sediment, it forms a delta on which the entire city of Portland is built, For example. a giant Delta, okay, New Orleans is built on the Delta, okay, so what we're seeing there is a Delta and then in front of it we see an undulating landscape, let's continue around Jamie and wrap around the landscape that looks exactly As the. beach looks, yes, keep coming back to us, the thing is fractal because this is the whole mystery of this, that this happens on a scale of inches on beaches and on a scale of hundreds of feet, here, stop again, it's okay, Lord, now right here in the middle.

You see a huge Delta, yes, you know, like a big extended tongue and then down here you start to see the waves and there is a country house, you see the country house and now those waves are the highest, they are about the height of a five-story building. How is it maintained well? Let's keep sweetly swaying, stop, stop this for a second, um, if you don't mind, are these things, they're the size of a five-story building, what's like 70 feet or something? 50 feet, okay? So that's 50 feet high and how much water are we going to get to that, let's see, let's look at the rest and these are just dirt right there, well if you dig into one, what you're going to find is them.

They're huge, okay, let's stop the game, look at this, this is crazy, this is totally crazy, this is one of the craziest things you've ever seen, these are these waves, waves repeated in an area where there is nothing like it . fingerprints from the flood that's what it is Wow, where can anyone see this? How can anyone actually watch this? You know this right now. This is what we are seeing. This is this video. Well, my colleague Brad Young did this with his drone and I think he has it on the geo cosmic-ray website. Is this playing on the YouTube video right now?

Okay, so the YouTube people are cool with it, if you're listening to it on iTunes, we'll find it. Find it on YouTube, but it's worth watching, that's my point, this is mind-blowing and I think you raised the crucial point, Joe, which is that we can understand what this is because we can see it on any beach and we can see how. Water flows back through a sandy medium will produce waves, but here they are on this incredible scale where they are hundreds of feet long and 50 feet high where they dwarf houses and spread everywhere and that, which what it tells us is that a huge flow of water came through this plane and did this, you will see it from this perspective, love, which is a rare perspective, unless you are on a plane or helicopter or something, you will have the opportunity to see it this way you'll really get a better idea of ​​what it's like if you were on the ground there you'd probably say, "Oh look at all the hard to see hills, you don't get the impression, although we visited this place and it was cloudy that day." so you don't get the effect like you do when you have a low angle of the Sun mm-hmm it really helps you see what's going on in the landscape.

Can I ask if there is any dispute about this? um no, no one disputes it, no one knows because this is no longer due to a flood. Wow, no, actually, it was this part of JT. Let's be fair, no one disputes that it was caused by massive flows of water there, but those same people still wouldn't accept the idea that there was a massive flood is fine, so they think about the cumulative effect, but this was all created for the background. of Lake Missoula, right, yeah, and this is actually supposed to represent the drainage of Lake Mazu, right where, as I maintain for a number of different reasons why this is the fill, right, Missoula.

I have a friend of mine who lives in Montana and they found a dinosaur on his ranch, yes, recently, good evening, we should get back to that because there is a connection, yes, well, the Big One. Western Inland Sea, everything in that area was, this is a crazy place at one point, it's still debatable, yeah, in a different way, the water here Joe, who did this, the way to visualize this is to start think about a tsunami. I have to think of tsunami because tsunami is the closest scale of water flow that we have experienced in modern times.

No river flood has even come close to this well. There are no floods. There are no floodplains. Nothing we can put into perspective. It's a tsunami, but even there you have to imagine the tsunamis that we've experienced in the last decade and a half and you know in Indonesia, in Japan, when they made landfall, those tsunamis were about 20 to 50 feet, depending on where. You were in relation to the oncoming wave and how far away you were from it. Here what you have to visualize is a tsunami sweeping across the land that is over a thousand feet deep, that's what happened here and we know it because we can track the waves. high tide marks on the slopes are clearly left high tide marks are clearly etched on the slopes, so now we know, based on the study of the waves in the water, which here was moving downward, is filling this basin, is rushing in and a huge tsunami from the north of fresh melt water breaking off from the ice sheet and sweeping this land at probably two or three hundred million cubic feet per second, which is an inconceivable amount of water, it's many. times greater than that of every river that flows the earth flows today at once it is beyond that many times ten or twenty times beyond that one of the most complicated things about water is that water itself is a species fractal in a strange way when you look at the actual water molecule it's almost like we don't distinguish it as something fractal because we see it as phloem in motion, but if you're looking at the actual water molecules, the glass of water that you dip into your fingers. which is seemingly completely innocuous and becomes a massive game changer when the volume is a thousand feet high and simply spinning with enormous amounts ofweight behind, it's the same thing, massive amounts of weight enough, plus it's actually causing seismic responses.

Just imagine, you know how much weight you're talking about that can create these 50 foot high walls, but what I find fascinating is that we don't have a scale in our minds to reference as the difference. between that little cup and these giant waves that you see, the surfers ride jet skis to get there, you know, I think it's Mexico, have you ever seen those huge waves, they travel miles to get to these crazy waves and we ride them. there about 60 or 70 feet high, that is the comparison almost like a glass of water with those waves and then it increases, increases, increases and at a certain point it can change the entire history of civilization, almost It cannot be calculated, it can be intellectualize, but it's hardly a question of calculating that one of these flood flows here is three orders of magnitude larger than the largest measured modern flood, in other words, more than a thousand times larger in terms of maximum discharge or volume that would have to calculate. scale at least a thousand times more than any modern measured flood to get to the smallest of these flows here because this is just one place, one place, one five-state place where you can literally trace the ocean of fresh water.

The water that runs through the entire Pacific Northwest practically washes away everything that was there, it's almost as if we have a built-in defense mechanism where we ignore how vulnerable we really are, as we put it, maybe that's one of the reasons why people are so reluctant to do it. Delve into the study of asteroid impacts. I think we should or even pay attention to things like this. This could happen and I want to say that these are not two separate issues because this is the result of the comet impacting the ice. cap, this is this, this is why I feel that research in this field is so vital, okay, right there, yeah, now here, look, this is great, it's a beach we go to, but it's a problem , it's a beach for giant monsters, yeah, what can you?

Look at this here you actually have three massive streams converging here do you see here on the right you have a massive stream coming in that would be from the west and then we're standing we would be standing looking down at the stream of course I guess this is the drone? It's about 200 feet up here, so the surface of the water was about eight to nine hundred feet above this perspective right here and it's moving very, very fast and it's going down into a river valley that's in those mountains that are You see in the distance and from there it is being swept down and it is joining other equally large floods coming from other valleys and all of this is happening at the same time and it is covering five states basically and that is just one region that is being affected by this sudden and catastrophic melting of the ice sheets.

They're dealing with the biggest flood that's ever happened on earth, it's the simplest thing, yeah, this is crazy, I mean, it's crazy, look at it a lot here in North America and it happened twelve thousand eight hundred years ago and its story has not yet been fully told. Isn't it possible that there was something bigger before, like the one that hit Yucatan 65 million years ago, like you know what kind of impact it had? Well, actually it would be because if Dad had happened 12,000 years ago we wouldn't be here. he, none of us would be here, yes, that would be a summary, right, yes, it was a large oblique about six miles wide, that was a much more devastating impact than the impact twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, but nevertheless Those impacts from twelve thousand eight hundred years ago were really bad and did things like this and anything that was in the path of these massive flows of water would have been completely erased from history.

Look, this all makes sense, yes, and here's what The Michael Schirmers don't understand when you understand the scope of this, the scale of this phenomenon and the severity, the inconceivable severity of this after an event like this, what would be left of a city or a town, a refrigerator, I don't know. thing nothing nothing nothing how much what nothing would exist after this and most things would not exist. I mean, you find an old refrigerator or car on blocks in someone's backyard in the South and it's the 1970s and the rot has set in. The H is going to eat it.

Nature is eating it. just a couple of decades right, what will it be like in a couple of thousand years? we should exist, we shouldn't be surprised how little we really know about our past, this is also a game of comfort with our ecology oh yes, we have the past all figured out we understand it this is what we teach in schools this is what our friends report in the media these are the facts not the facts we don't know anything it has been like this There are many missing pieces of the puzzle that we are desperately trying to put together and it is important.

I think we really have some clarity about events like this because we still live on this planet and we have children and we have a future and we want, hopefully, we want, hopefully, we want, if one of those big ones crosses our path, well , that is, but again, I come, I mean this, which is that we are not dealing with doom and gloom and the end. of the world we are dealing with a problem that humanity should face, we should not bury our heads in the sand, we should face this problem and that is why I support the work of the comet research group because they are the only people who are right Now, those who are facing this problem and really facing it, we should all face it.

I mean, we should absolutely all support them and deal with it because if something like this can happen once, what really makes sense? How many flood stories? there are in ancient times and how many parallels there are and how many there are from North America says dozens and dozens yes, it was Caitlin, the Indian artist who spent about 30 years before the Civil War. I think maybe a decade after the Civil War. He war painted Indians from different tribes and wrote a book called The Last Rays of Ram Among the North American Indians, a very, very interesting book, but what really interested me when I read the book years and years ago was his final conclusion to the book. , he says later. all these different customs and traditions that have been passed down between these tribes, they all have one thing in common, they all have a memory or a story of a gigantic world that was destroyed by a flood and he and he came to the conclusion that the tribes of America Central I visited, I believe that America is the repository of the Native American peoples who have been subjected to so much destruction over the years, in their mythology, their traditions, their memories, they keep more of this than almost anyone, it is true, it is really tragic what has happened. in the Americas since the time of the Spanish conquest, the deliberate destruction of knowledge, the terrible and horrendous abuses that the Native Americans suffered, they are our keepers of wisdom, they are the people who transmitted the oral tradition and remember the past, so that they don't just do it.

We have cataclysms that erase human memory, but we ourselves actively engage in human memory and erase it, we burn it from the Mayan codices by the Spanish friars, thousands and thousands, oh, what was in those documents, yes, You know, we could have had. It would be another story about ourselves if we could have had access to them, but instead we are a destructive cannibalistic species that just goes and destroys everything. It's a strange impulse that humans have when they move into an area and take over it. one of the things they like to do is destroy their icons, destroy everything that's going on with Isis and all these ancient Buddhist structures, beautiful sculptures that are over a thousand years old, absolutely, they're exploiting them, yeah, you know, and shouting praises to God while What we're doing is actually very strange, it's a very strange inclination that we have with this, so it's almost like we don't want people to know, you know, it's a strange, almost human instinct, to erase the past and just keep moving constantly or Was there any trauma?

Was there any collective trauma? Please, deeply repressed memory it might be, but that's something we can't face. That's exactly the thought I had because I think that's the only way Velikovsky finally nailed one of those areas. It was humanity in amnesia that we somehow carried this, the Trump, because once you start to control it and get a picture of these events as they occurred, occurred and would have been experienced by our ancestors, you have to understand what it would be like to see yourself completely young, completely destroyed, starting over basically from a barren place full of mud hmm, you know, if you were like that, that's essentially what these people faced, if they lived at all, and so fabulously they did because where us but you know again there is emerging evidence of a major cultural collapse, if you had to guess what percentage of the population of human beings so obviously just a guess but how many do you think were wiped out?

Half of them, three-quarters of them. Don't think that would be unrealistic no, it doesn't seem like it is and if it were that number and those people that is enough for people to survive and if it were that small number, what a strange mythical past the other one would have The other thing there is What to keep in mind is that in today's world we have an advanced civilization, the United States, Germany, the technologically industrialized countries and we coexist with them in South America, in the Namibian desert, we have hunter-gatherers, so the idea That hunter-gatherers and an advanced civilization could coexist at the same time in history should not seem strange to us because we are doing it today and that is what I would suggest occurred twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, before the Cataclysm of the Twelve.

Eighteen hundred years ago there was a fairly advanced civilization that was able to map and explore the world, creating gigantic works of architecture and coexisted with hunter-gatherers and who were the ones who survived the Cataclysm, the answer is those who survived the In the cataclysm, they were the hunter-gatherers, not the sophisticated people, some of them survived and then settled among the hunter-gatherers and tried to transfer some of their knowledge and skills to them, and it is the same today if we were to repeat it. of the Younger Dryas Cataclysm today I don't think the people of Los Angeles or London were among the main survivors, right?

I think the survivors would be people like the hunter-gatherers of the Amazon rainforest because they are in the business of surviving. that's what they do it's not a mystery to them it's not even a problem they do it they do it all the time they would carry human history forward and ten thousand years from now their descendants would be telling a myth about how there once was a great civilization on this planet, so advanced that they could even go to the moon, they could fly around the planet, they could talk to each other on other sides of the earth, but they did something wrong, they lost harmony with the universe, they stopped existing. wear your prosperity in moderation, that's actually a line from Plato about Atlantis.

Wow, and the universe slapped them in the face, so there would be a differential survival rate. Those who were. I would say that those who are more technologically advanced are less likely to survive because they depend on a complex interrelated web of skills and any individual alone, most of them, well, you are different jokers, you know how to survive, but many people don't know how to survive, chances are they barely know how to survive. have you worked on it, yeah, I'm not that good at it, but most of us, most of us haven't even worked on it, we have no idea, let me open all these people's eyes to think that.

You could just go out and shoot anal and stay alive good luck you're probably screwed if you have a rifle even if you have a rifle you're probably screwed if you have a bow and arrow you're going to starve to death right, it's extremely difficult, yeah, get closer, you know? And yet, hunter-gatherers for thousands and thousands of years have managed to do just that. The Kalahari Bushmen. I think there were fewer humans and more animals. I think that's part of it too. The problem we're dealing with is that one of the terrible things we've done is take these giant swaths of land and make them completely habitable for wildlife, like cities like you, how many people grow food in the city?

What is the percentage? Is it even 1/10 of 1% of people in the city who grow their own food? Probably not, probably not even that, so you have these huge deserts essentially where no wildlife exists other than predatory species like coyotes and crows and things like. that and you take and then you get out of there and then you have this vast farmland, yeah the only benefit of the vast farmland is that the amountThe number of deer that exist now is much greater than when Columbus landed, but it is because they have almost become an agricultural animal, it is almost as if it were almost a domesticated animal, it is a wild and free domesticated animal.

I have a friend who has a farm in Iowa and when you go there he is very strange because he has these giant 300 pound wild forest horses. running around your backyard, I mean, they're everywhere, there's all these giant deer and when we were there, it's what's called the rut, so they're all very horny, so the big bucks are usually tall and show. I think this is a crazy place where there are all these wild animals that exist along with people and even in a game-rich place like that it's incredibly difficult to get to one, you have to have vegetables, you would have to have your own vegetables, so Let us imagine the situation in which all the resources of our cities, all, yes, all the amenities, all the infrastructure have disappeared, most of us are, I would say, radically ours.

In fact, I would say that our civilization, which seems so strong, is actually very, very fragile, extremely, just a little push is like when you look out the window and say: wow, that's the outside, no, that's a piece of glass, you're outside, it's not that piece of glass on your outside, you know, it's easy, it just looks like gasoline because you know you close the blinds. tight and you set your alarm clock asleep you are sleeping next to a glass yes, it's funny you feel safe but you are sleeping next to a piece of glass there is this incredible complacency and ar

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ce yes, of modern civilization that we are the apex and the pinnacle of history human being is that we are the best that have ever existed and that is a danger mythologically, it is a very dangerous place to be when you start to imagine yourself as the apex and the pinnacle of everything, that is precisely when the universe reminds you that it doesn't. are you at all, yes, it's a very strange existence we have, well, we just look at how things are right now and we can't imagine things being any different, never mind that it's the people who have to realize it. that they have been injured like someone broke their leg and also it just doesn't count as why I can't walk anymore.

Well, your reality has now changed and this reality that we have here with this pretty healthy earth could change at any time the Yellowstone volcano is the one that has been scaring me the most in recent years, another big topic, yeah, a couple interesting would be if we look at small or what happens in smaller catastrophes like we have seen today when we look at the ad, for example, when Katrina hit and hit New Orleans, it was almost as if the human species separated into two subspecies, there was a group of people who rose to the occasion and did it. they organized heroic things and saved people spontaneously, you know, because the government was conspicuously absent for five days the first five days of the Katrina disaster and here there was a huge flood in New Orleans and there were people spontaneously organizing and doing these heroic actions. to save their fellow man and do great things as superheroes, but then there was another segment of the population that went completely barbaric and there was mass rape and destruction of businesses and looting, and just people running around at it. wild, rampant gangs committing random violent acts, so the United States, the richest country in the world, didn't handle that crisis well, no, I mean, it was very and it was a small crisis compared to what we're talking about. , member when Kanye West. go on television George Bush doesn't like black people.

I don't remember that, but yes, George Bush. I think it was the day George Bush flew on Air Force One and you know the window wave, yeah, yeah, give me down, but there's a lesson. in those types of events we are certainly not prepared and we have to extrapolate from that and you know, if you come back and what you know, I often use it as a thought exercise, think about how we would respond if we knew that there was a high probability of a younger, drier event or series of events looming in our future, what would you do to start drinking there?

Well, you know it all depends on the delivery time, right, everything fits into the 10 day delivery time as you know. shoot a rocket up there and man, I'm really super again and we're going to push ourselves, push ourselves to the end, yeah, ten days, but ten years or twenty moons, then we can do some things, then we can do some things, what really scary are the things that are scary. one if you survived because you say you know if you really survived and everyone else was kidnapped and you're also dealing with a Mad Max type reality where people are starving and very desperate and becoming almost animal-like, that's completely within the realm of the possibilities, well, that's what we learned from Katrina or the other terrifying possibility is that you leave the future of civilization in the hands of those other people, that they survive and have children and their children survive and somehow. another somewhere along the line we become better and better at understanding our place here, which is what I think has happened, yeah, and all it would take is one.

I mean, this is both because of the amount of complaints there are right now and the amount of rioting in the streets. because excuse me protests in the street some riots apparently but about the president-elect what is this time represents the best moment in history when it comes to security when it comes to knowledge access to information the way we understand each other each other I don't know I don't think it would have been better as long as we know that we have everything at our feet, yes there is incredible potential in modern civilization but the problem is that there is also a very rigid mental control in the way they work our societies, which turns people into drones people people educated to believe that their only purpose in existence is production and consumption people forced to fit into a kind of narrow place in the Machine the media transmitting messages to us now you know all the time even the concept of democracy is absurd when you don't do it when you don't have full transparency when there are secrets when things are hidden how can people vote you know with Alia with a clear mind if a lot is hidden from them it is not democracy democracies actually invest in in mind control of the most unfortunate development, well I wonder how long it will be before the rigid mindsets that exist right now about this idea of ​​resistance to change that we were talking about when it comes to science , when it comes to accepting this.

The asteroid will impact theory and I think that exists in politics. I think it exists in religion. I think it exists socially in the way we approach relationships and friendships, and it's all evolving before our eyes. Last night I was watching one movie, not another. Movie for teenagers. I said what it was called and I was live tweeting it, so I smoked weed and wrote and sometimes I just like to have the TV on and not listen to it, just sometimes I like to watch some things while I write. Sometimes I know that last night I chose to do it that way and I fell so in love with this strange movie from 2001.

This is a movie that felt like a time machine, like I was watching this culture that no longer exists. one of those teen movies where, like in college, they're drinking, there's a lot of naked women and really racist sexist humor and it's really crude and dumb and stupid, and I think this is so weird because it doesn't exist anymore. This kind of movie like this is like Al Jolson in blackface or something and in some ways it's like a cultural time machine where you can go and for a brief moment see this comedy that someone invented in 2001 that seemed so recent. , but in that movie you get evidence of this weird cultural shift, our students, a massive weird cultural shift that's happened to where we are, we're allowed to joke about things, I just accept it in that movie as racist and sexist and violence as men.

They hit women in the face and something like that can't be done in a comedy with that mm-hm and that was only 15 years ago and what will it be like if we can avoid being hit by a rock that makes us explode Yellowstone that explodes us in the face if we can move forward I think we are on a great path I think our lesson where I will think about the president-elect and I think we are on a great The path is a dangerous past, the path, then, is a path where the future does not It's completely safe, but humanity is in one of those moments at the mother's crossroads where you find yourself on the edge of an abyss and you don't fully know it. what's ahead of us and we can take a really good path out of this or we can take a really horrible path and I think the key thing is that we really have a choice, it doesn't have to be that way.

I see a lot of positive, a lot of the positive that there is in the world. I think people are waking up. I think they are questioning old structures that they refuse to support any longer. More and more people are doing it. That's happening in the realm of politics, it's happening in the realm of dealing with big corporations, it's happening in the realm of investigating the past, they're just not going to tell us what to think anymore, that's encouraging, but on the other hand Huge efforts are being put precisely into making people think a certain way, whether it's the advertising industry, whether it's political messaging, so we have to be aware of that and it could go the way of drones, I mean, like the bee, the path to the hive, which would be a cleansing, even if he bothered to do it.

Be human if your society is turning you into a drone in a bee hive existence of life or it could move on to an expansion of consciousness and the realization of the incredible and beautiful potential of the human race. I honestly feel like that's where it's headed. John Sleet I'm an optimist, I'm very prepared for missiles, it's beautiful to hear because at this moment I was watching John Oliver's show, it's a great show on HBO, a very funny guy with a very left leaning and as is his show. but they had this 2016 thing where they were just naming all the horrible things that happen in 2016 and then just saying goodbye to this terrible year.

I say, yes, but this year also a lot of good things happened, there are a lot of fantastic discoveries. many interesting observations, many people also learned many things in 2016 and I think several American states have legalized cannabis. Yes, I think there is a great development, it is also a great It will be an important factor in our cultural evolution. All right, it was a big factor in the '60s. It was a huge factor. In effect, what happened was a very closed conservative society and then there was an external shock in the United States. in the form of psychedelic drugs that came and completely shook up everything in art, music and fashion and even scientific concepts of our place in the universe, time and space, and in so many ways that they had a major impact on the direction in our society, when and what would be the equivalent today or in our near future in terms of an external shock that would suddenly wake people up would be another event, another Tunguska event and based on everything I have seen I would suggest that events like that what are going to happen and probably in our lifetime and when it will happen, especially if the message of the story has come out and enough people have heard it, five percent or ten percent of the people are aware that there is this great imminent potential. paradigm shift and then we have an event like that, an event like Tunguska 1908.

I think that's all it would take because the magnitude of that event would have been such that it happened today and there would be between a million and two million people instantly wiped out . or an entire city instantly annihilated by one thing from a shot from space what effect would that have on planetary consciousness in which with this latest exercise NASA is late to the party finally seems to be thinking about you know what happened they finally see it What happened if Los Angeles is hit by a 350-foot diameter right at the epidemic ulna is because, well, when the probability models for a Tunguska-type event were first presented in the 50s, 60s and 70s, it was already quite certain. which was like something that would happen once every millennium, once every two millennia, then contracted once every few centuries, you know, it may actually be much more like one or two per century or maybe even clustered events where it's There might be three, four, or half a dozen such events occurring in a very short period of time, but an event like that would not happen and would not cause the extinction of civilization in any way, but rather an event like that that could know.

Eliminating a thousand square miles of landscape entirely in an instant would have a significant effect. I think people on this planet would focus their minds in a way that nothing else would and it's not for me. Is it pessimistic I'm saying that might be what it will take or is it justrealistic. I don't know well. I think it's like the massive impact versus the slow trickle effect. I mean, is it going to happen eventually or is it going to happen all at once? plummet due to an event like an asteroid on Olympus where it kills a group of people and we wake up to the fragility of our existence, but either way it is an awakening of humanity and that is in process, it is happening, it is in progress, now look.

As a Brit, looking at what's been happening in America as an outsider, I'm hugely encouraged by the cannabis legalization movement going on here and what it means and what it means, I sure like smoking a joint. but this is not about taking drugs, it is not about recreation, what it is about is recognizing the sovereignty of adults to make decisions about their own bodies, their own health and their own conscience without harming others, of That's what it's all about and that's something that's really important. This is for me the most important question, because if we live in a society that is not prepared to recognize the sovereignty of adults over one's own body and one's own conscience, then that cannot be a free society in any meaningful way, so I applaud the people of the United States in those states that have voted in favor of full legalization, that is something brilliant and will have an impact around the world because the war on drugs, the whole ideology and lies about cannabis are going to prove them wrong.

We are going to know that the Emperor does not wear clothes, that cannabis can be legalized and that civilization does not crumble like the war on drugs. The lobby has been telling us for years that everything is going to change and it's a beautiful thing because it's the American people. Whereas the American state, as a governmental state, presence on the world stage has been the dark force behind the war on drugs, so to me it's a beautiful thing that the American people, state by state, are stepping back and saying We will no longer tolerate this. I think what you were talking about before is really important because we're talking about different factions of our civilization or creating it.

To this day they continue to create misinformation and continue to try to deceive people, but me. I think that applies to what we were talking about before that it is a system and systems protect themselves and I think they develop almost a self-awareness, in some ways it is scary, yes, bureaucracies arm bureaucracies, they have a kind of personality. even when there's no financial interest in it, there's just a social interest like what you're seeing right now with the left versus the right, yeah, like there are some people like my friend Wanda Sykes, who just got booed off the stage on something last night, apparently what it was. on an anti-trump rant and then and people got really upset with it, there are these systems that are in place, that's why almost like wanting to fight like it's not, it puts us in this weird team mentality where this Letprotects your ideas from the future and the right protects your ideas and I'm seeing these people come and go on social media and it's toxic and I don't like to use that term because it's so compromised by, you know, toxic sexuality. or toxic masculinity, so many uses of that word in our culture, but I think this desire to fight with each other and be deeply unpleasant is really horrible and hurtful gosling, things that you see very often and I really mean vile and also from the left.

Just like the right, the left is toxic, exactly the right word and I think we have to resist the temptation to fight. I think this is when people push too far to the left, that's when the alt-right emerges when people push too far to the left. the right is when the left arises and you know that's when you know the emergence of Kent State, you have all these strange factions fighting that have a lot in common, yeah, and a lot of times the things that they don't have in common are either out of ignorance or because of an ideological dispute or because of a lack of communication, and I think that those three things exist at least open lines of communication.

Lynch is also encouraged by marijuana and has these people talk openly and vulnerably about these things. and you find out that a lot of our mutual misgivings and misunderstandings or just misconceptions, miscommunications and probably even if we don't agree on things, I have friends that I don't agree with on a lot of things, but we're very close, yeah, because the world you are allowed to have different opinions of course that's what makes the world's interest it doesn't have to be that we turn on each other because we are weak it is weak to listen to another person's opinion with empathy instead of with hatred or anger that we have.

He's too hot to be on a team too, make la maison, he's very classy, ​​yeah he is man, he's too hot, he's too hot and we'd love it, I mean we love city on city, we love, we love when you know Chicago will face off. Cleveland, we love tribal to be tribal. You know we haven't really evolved from that. We have changed our social structures, but we are still tribal. Tribal mentality. We should that nationalism is just tribalism writ large, yes, so it really is. just like religions, just a cult with a lot more people, yeah exactly, yeah we should watch one more, yeah we could watch as many as you want man, Oh Rolla party what you got, yeah let's look at the Next, back to the flood, that is. the place where I couldn't take the grams that I really wanted, okay, I really wanted to take you here, let's see it, let's see it, so you'll see it second, okay, possibly, these are the bumps, holy look, that's right.

It's crazy what we're seeing, people who are just listening, they have to go to YouTube now because this is crazy, this is the closest thing to a nuisance for a fool like me to watch something like this and then go. You, yes, it's definitely a river, a carved river, okay, what you're looking at is a gigantic extinct set of waterfalls like you'd find at Niagara Falls, but to use grams writ large, we're looking at a ridge. to the east, the tsunami wave that hit these four states, a branch of it slid westward, this particular branch was 400 feet deep when it hit this ridge and what it did was spill over the ridge and come down here in foreground.

You see the current Columbia River from the top of the ridge, where you see the agriculture in the landscape all the way down to the rivers, about a thousand feet down, so you basically have to imagine that you have this huge three to four layer of water. At a hundred feet down he drops in and finds a little lower point within this ridge and that's where he starts to focus his energy and as he does so he starts to remove the rock. Now what you're looking at here is this waterfall complex. about five miles wide and the otter came in, see, you have those kind of lakes with curved fingers on the top and those tunnels, those are potholes, that's crazy, potholes are formed by underwater turbulence and in a flood they are They move so quickly with so much turbulence. you literally have four high-intensity, high-amplitude, high-energy underwater tornadoes from Eddie.

They're probably 600 feet deep because the water coming over the ridge is at least 200 and you can see what it's done to the bedrock, anyone listening, you've got a wall, you've got to look at this, you've got to look at this and then listen. the scale this is this is a gigantic scar in the landscape of which there are hundreds around this the exact location Rundle this is potholes falls exactly the exact location it was in to get to it they were in Washington state still yeah, we're in Washington let's say the center of Washington may be right on the Columbia River, right below Wenatchee, okay, where we saw that huge, that huge erratic, yes, the 18,000 ton giant, Boulder, brought there and chained in a iceberg, an iceberg floating in the flood, carries an iceberg the size of a tanker truck carrying an 18,000-ton rock transported in the flooded grounds 700 feet high on the Raleigh side rests there as the flood waters recede, the ice melts and the rock is left sitting, what will we be sure of that rock in a second of the people in this part of the country, what do they think about this?

Well, you know, they're just realizing what they're sitting on. It's the first time I went out here. 98, it was the ice age. Floods Institute and I went to their only location, which was at the Better Business Bureau in Moses Lake, Washington, and they had an arm room in the back of this Better Business Bureau Chamber of Commerce and there were two older ladies who are basically supervisors of the group, there are now about two dozen chapters and each year there are several guided tours led by geologists who study this in their spare time and I have been on several of these just to participate and get aerial access to the geologists so I can pick your brains, but this is very close to when Qi Washington, so anyone who wants to find this on Google Earth, this is a Google Earth image, now we get to it. to open, but before leaving the Google Earth image, I was going to explain that you have those that you have, you see those lakes, those meandering lakes, mhm, what you have an image is that you have a sheet of water that is coming and how it is arriving to this ridge and is beginning to selectively erode forming fault lines and cracks within the bedrock.

Can you imagine that the water will naturally try to get into those low points where there are cracks and fissures and it will start to go from sheet to channeled mmm what goes from sheet to channeled then that spills over the ridge and in the middle you see this is called rock sheet look that the misplaced is that debt yes, that is what separates the two niches if the flood had continued for a few more days, that rock sheet would have disappeared and you would have had a single niche up there now in next one, as this goes on, what we're going to do is we're going to go down and we're going to be right at the head of the sheet of rock right there, yeah, right there, we're standing there, so now you'll be able to see how the drone is about to take off, you're looking at the landscape, we're looking east towards those Finger Lakes and I guess the soundtrack doesn't play the sound, no, oh, here we go, a little Toccata and Fugue in D minor , oh, okay, and the landscape opens up, so you're on that sheet of rock.

We're on the sheet rock right there, so now you can start to see the scale of this that we were seeing from Google Earth. Well, now, the way you describe it, I mean, I would have just looked at it and said, wow! That looks cool, I would never have thought of that, so it was obviously created by the water being spilled. That's the problem because we haven't had the scale of insight that it took Brett 25 years to put the pieces together properly and we haven't done that either. I have been able to take these types of high resolution photographs because they are wrong, he is right on top until recently, yes, that gives us a completely different idea.

I mean, you used to charge $1,000 an hour to go up there in a helicopter, now you can fly a drone around you, you know I would have known, yeah, exactly GoPro right here in the middle, you see that big hole that's about 200 feet in diameter, it's a pothole that was created by this rotating vortex of massively turbulent water, sacred this It's incredible, yes, otherwise the evidence is all over the landscape, oh, looking us in the eyes and only in the last few years did it begin to make sense. We have evolved our eyes to be able to see this and now when we go out.

Here with a drawing. I've been over this landscape several times in a small plane to see it from that perspective, but now, as you just said, as Graham just said, we now have a drone that can go up and see it from a full point of view. different perspective and now you can see, you see the man standing down there on the rock, no, you see all that little guy, yeah, yeah, little guy, that little guy is 6 feet tall, it's not that livable, I mean, in the pictures , small, no, in. July we have 4 inches, it is, it is, it is an illusion, what surprises me?

We knew this is really beautiful and cool and everything, but what's really impressive is the opening image where it becomes so obvious that in the image above we see the farmland and just that. it's so obvious that it's cut, cut, cut from the lens, let's look at the rest and then as the drone flies, yeah, and then we have what's called classic crust soil, you see all these mounds, these kind of lumps, that It's what the scabs are on the scab. soil that's why it's called crust soil and again it's a flood that makes it tear off thinner and eventually material is torn off the surface mmm wow this is amazing and in this remaining water, yes, then it fills, fills the cake, yes , God, yes, there you have a saw, Mike, there you go. a feeling of the sheet of rock, well, there you have an idea of ​​what the muscle volume of the water looked like when it ran through there, and look, this is just sacred, we have observed two features now, Camas Prairie and potholes, waterfall, we could sit down. here duringthe next 10 hours looking at dozens and dozens of these mega features and you see there's a whole bar, this is a gravel bar down here, okay, look, look, see the giant ribs, you see them, yeah, I've never seen them . reported in the literature it may be that no one has looked to have seen it before or no one has paid attention, no one has paid a tip, but there they are, so how do you use conventional science to describe this?

This type of conventional archeology uses to describe these characteristics this would be geology well Karis an archeology yes what would they do then they think it is this catastrophic flood I just think it is slower I think they are many small catastrophic floods they are not one or a large catastrophic flood and how what kind of timeline are these geologists giving us Oh, two or three thousand years, yes, and why do they think so well because of the ice dam model and how long it would take, it gets complicated and because until the comet research there was no a credible source. of heat that could melt that amount of ice and cause that is the new factor that has come into the equation now you look at the people standing on the edge of the cliff, they are the edge of the rock, would you see them down there, yes? so now you have an idea of ​​the scale, what would survive again afterwards, not that guy, something, no, no, that guy, not a guy or his friends, yeah, this is a crazy place, man, it's crazy look at it, it's like that when you look over it.

I gave up here, I mean, you get the idea, but if you showed me this honestly, I probably wouldn't put it together, but when you look at it, the original image is so blatantly obvious, well, that's the thing. Now we're in this position where we can see it and when I take people out into the field, what I do is I prepare them first by showing these NASA images, the satellite photography, the Google Earth images, the aerial photography, then the ground photography and then you go out into the landscape and at that point you can start to have this framework to understand what you're seeing, otherwise you just don't understand it, the scale is too broad, it's surprising, it's really surprising, this is, you know, this is an adventure . of exploration that we are just beginning is to recover, yes, recover what was lost, the lost past of humanity and, if I may, I want to make a proposal again for comets for the comet research group, if anyone I think It's really important.

It's not just about funding their research, but also about sending the message that we, the people, are prepared to take matters into our own hands and support scientists who work with open minds investigating the past and if you know, Give him a dollar or a hundred dollars or whatever counts, he says it's the voice of the people as much as the money that really matters. These guys, the comet research group, need funding for their research. They have a crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo. you can go to my website, press the comet research group banner, it will take you to a page with all the relevant links, please consider supporting it, it is valid, it is worthwhile, it is a worthy job and it has the potential to change the entire world. story of our past and our future and it's a story that would be incredibly exciting to be a part of and that's what I'm trying to get people to think, look, this is happening and it really is Democratic in its own way and you don't need to be a specialist or a tora, particularly in some academically approved branch of science, to begin to appreciate and understand this very human being who goes out into the field and sees these kinds of things firsthand, introduces them into the discussion, into the debate and in spending more time on this because it is a very interesting story and that is where the comet research group scientists offer that the people who contribute will participate in certain ways and this too in the future, but we are all gay.

We are all human beings, we are part of this planet, we are pedestrians walking without light, this planet will marry us and all this is fine, you have the right to understand what the history of this crazy rock has been through. Absolutely, this is amazing, yes, an amazing thing in perspective to understand this is like this for 12,000 years, this history has been written into the landscape of the earth and only now can we step back and begin to see the bigger picture together with There are more and more details and what is emerging is really a really wild story, but the evidence is there to completely support it and this is, I mean, this is, this is what the story that I have told is and the wizard of the weapons, that is, this is recovering.

This lost memory is really crazy and our time here on this planet has been confusing for many reasons and one of the biggest is not understanding how we got here and that is one of the reasons why I think your book is so important. for me to just give you this new perspective of how this type of civilization came about. Another problem that I think we deal with all the time is light pollution. I think light pollution ever sees the stone. I think it's really a perspective blocker in a big way. Absolutely not, the brand is ancient and earlier I was having a discussion about how ancient cultures related to the cosmos both above and below, felt connected to the cosmos, did their monuments aligned with key celestial bodies, they did so with great care. there was a feeling of bringing the charm of the heavens to earth in modern societies we can't even see the stars he lives in the middle of the big city the stars are gone the light light pollution just erases them you never think they are there and in reality you forget that you are part of a majestic cosmos, everything in it is a mystery, we are immersed in mystery from the moment we are born to the moment we die and yet our society tells us so, so that's all. very prosaic and boring and it's just about production, everything is explained, you don't really need to worry too much because some authority somewhere has it all figured out, no one has it all figured out, it's not possible, I think everyone owes it to themselves to get out there. desert in the middle when you know there's a stretch where the moon won't be out and there will be clear skies, especially if you live in Southern California, you can get out into the desert pretty easily.

Get out of every city and just look up and it will scare you, it will scare you because it's one of those things that you really take for granted because it's also time for the sky to be just a dark, featureless black Something, the little pair of Little white dots aren't really that convincing, but when you go out and see the Milky Way itself, you're like, "Oh my gosh, look, now we could let you know that every year there are probably a dozen highs." Altitude events that could have been witnessed by ancient people and that we are completely oblivious to due to our urban existence due to light pollution because no one is really looking at the sky, but these high altitude events would essentially be equivalent to bomb explosions from the size of Hiroshima. 20 miles up is right outside, yeah it's basically like it's during the day and you're not looking up, that's right, you're not going to see both and at night if you live in the city.

When you're inside light pollution, when it happens, it's over, but if you're in a completely wild area where you have visual access to the stars and you're aware of that and you're constantly aware of the presence of the sky, you'll see a lot more happen. things of that sort, then if the cosmos decides to become a little more active, which it apparently does from time to time, suddenly the sky becomes an important factor in your life. in your existence, your tribal existence, your cultural existence, especially if in those episodes you have multiple fireball type events that could be on the scale of anywhere from Chelyabinsk to tangu sky and that's what Clube and Navier, that's their scenario, these groups are that.

We enter bombardment episodes when we pass through a filament of the torrid media stream that is filled with heavy asteroid debris a kilometer or more in diameter. When we enter those filaments we are entering a period of episodic bombardment when civilization human is at risk and according to your calculations we are entering one of those in the next 30 years Jesus and that is why we must pay attention to this because 30 years is enough time to do something about it if we apply the resources of our civilization to this we can Solve this problem, let's look at a couple more images because I would like to get Grahame's image.

I wonder if people are too busy making new phones and don't have time to fix the asteroid issue. Exactly executes images and holograms. That's my argument. which is going to take well, but again, there has been serious talk for a long time about asteroid mining, that is the path towards this, that if they can, if they can, if they can see an economic return for the moment, then maybe they will do the good. Actually, this for the human race will have to be a manned expedition like Bruce Willis and then an asteroid movie is not necessary.

Okay, what is the image that is not displaying well? Jamie, why don't you go to the folder we opened? a folder of Awesomeness the folder of a folder the folder of Awesomeness yeah, let's just start with one zero zero seven, what are we going to look at here? Well, we're going to look at some stuff from NASA, how cool, and then we'll look at a couple of things from Google Earth and then we'll look at a couple of things from the US Geological Survey and then we'll look at some photographs five deals worth the shame, okay, let's do it, holy man, this is one of the first photographs from NASA.

It was actually taken from five hundred miles in the late '70s and what we have here are two large crusty expanses of land showing two of the large meltwater streams that have left their scars on the landscape, so each one of them ranges from about 10 to 20 miles wide and the largest one on the right is probably 50 to 60 miles long or actually a slightly longer net, but you can actually see that when the water came down from northern British Columbia, washed out approximately 200 feet. Between one and two hundred feet of existing topsoil had covered the basalt bedrock; by the way, the right basalt bedrock was originally formed by the eruptions of the Yellowstone Caldera, but descending water swept away the layer. top of the soil and left the bear with exposed dark basalt.

Below the feature that we just saw is not even really in this NASA photograph, it's to the west, but let's move on to the next one, Jamie with the Snake River down there, which is, where is the Snake River? The Snake River leaves Idaho and joins the Columbia and then empties into the Pacific Ocean. Okay, so we have a Google Earth image on the way. Well, in order because there is a lot, there is a lot here. Oh, okay, tell me what number did you leave Emil pol? Us one thousand and eight. one zero zero eight next one what's going on with our TV it keeps playing and on that TV it's not made for the way we use it so it doesn't like the inputs and I just turned it off so I can open the Next one is fine, there we go so now we're getting a bigger view of the landscape and you can see the two meltwaters wondering in gentle tracks mm-hmm here okay did you have what's called?

No one can hear you if you do. This just tell me where it is, I understand well, then there are the crusty land prints, then you have the Grand Coulee, which is that dark woman that goes to the Columbia River, there is the Grand Coulee Dam, you almost almost have it. where the Columbia River suddenly thins, um, right there is the Grand Coulee Dam, which is the widest and most massive concrete dam in North America and it's impounding water into Franklin Delano Roosevelt Lake, about four hundred feet deep at this time, the entire area on top.

Glacier, the green mountainous area, everything was covered in ice and then to the left, there you have that brown area and do you see that kind of semicircular arc of dark land right there? Yes, that's where an ice tongue came from. Canada and it stopped right there and when it backed up when it melted it melted what it did was it left all this rubble that can't really be fun put together effectively this is called glacial till and where the clearing where the glacier ended is called moraine moraine and you can see that it is circular where the glacier came from and then coming out right from the snout of the glacier, you see a kind of ribbon that is a giant scar in the landscape that was formed by a stream of meltwater coming out of that layer of ice .

His name is Moses Coulee, hey Randall, I think we have to keep in mind that a lot of the audience isn't actually seeing the footage of this, aren't they, I mean, the takeaway is that all over the Pacific Northwest there are a landscape that has been completely scarred and devastated by a gigantic flood that took place 12,000 years ago, left its marks everywhere and this is right near Coeur d'Alene, so Coeur d'Alene comes from that, that It's the residue of this immortal lane, yeah, if people go to the GeoNiagara superimposed to scale, Horseshoe Falls and Canadian Falls superimposed.

For scale now, basically, that waterfall at Horseshoe Falls is about 120 feet high, the cliff face of this giant waterfall is about 400 feet high and then you see the beginning of the rock blade and the full extent of the thing actually goes to the end. way to the horizon, but we can't see that beyond there, but this erosion goes all the way to the horizon to the stone that cut the basalt, hard columnar basalt god that was basically extruded with the Yellowstone Caldera eruption a long time ago , 15 million years ago, basically. but then it was covered by a couple hundred feet of topsoil and then exposed when the floods came.

Go to the next 1018 and you'll see an example of some of the debris left behind by the floods when they finally stopped. There are the things that you're looking at now, the biggest things, 30 and 40 feet, they would be like four story buildings down there, so they were swept away by this gigantic river, that's right this, this gigantic, massive river that was moving 50 60 miles an hour they go through there, they tear up and ventilate the bedrock and then when the taps finally turn off, the water starts to slow down and these things that are transported there just stay in the wake, as you'll see in any modern smaller. the flood will leave material in its wake, the difference is that this material is piles of rock the size of houses, bars of gravel two to three hundred feet thick and three miles long, and they are all inside, so look, here it is the answer to your question. and this is how Brett finally did it by showing that it was the entire body of evidence taken holistically that created a picture that was undeniable to skeptics;

It was just overwhelming because each piece fit together too perfectly to ignore. another explanation other than the gigantic hydraulic events and now it's a question of the detail what caused them, how long it took and you know, that's where the controversy is now, this is surprising, it's surprising and scary, but the good thing is that it's scary , but everything is okay. Right now everything is fine, so it's fine, it's like you feel good, but maybe not, if something like this happens again, well, you have to ask what could be the change in human orientation towards life in this planet.

Like for example, I remember the first Earth Day in 1970, just when this consciousness of hey, you know how our existence on this planet is having an effect on this planet, and at that moment you see a whole environmental consciousness emerge that didn't exist. Before that, well, I think maybe in the next decade or two we will see a new environmental consciousness that involves the recognition that this planet we live on is a very dynamic place and it has been. It is the key to deciphering many things. of geological, cultural, historical and paleontological, biological, etc. mysteries, that this has been a dominant factor in the evolution of basically everything that has been happening on this planet, whether you are looking at millions of years or thousands of years, it's so strange.

It's time to be alive where all these things come together all this information is being exposed and there is no hidden file it has been opened and things are spilling out you don't know if you have opened Pandora's box letting it out but it is all logical a little big it's very easy to follow that's all I mean it seems like when it comes to a step by step from 1 0 to 9 going up from 1 0 to 9 1 I felt like it was bingo Boy, now we travel about 500 miles south into Utah Canyon, it's beautiful and what you're seeing there are basically dry waterfalls.

Now that you've seen these falls, you may start to recognize them everywhere, now you don't. It's been recognized as a waterfall, but what you actually see when you look at modern erosion, these features are slowly being eroded and eaten away by modern erosion and it's a completely different erosion regime that creates features like this and this is a large scale. of erosion here and when you travel through the southwest. That is the most surprising thing you are going to experience if you are empathetic to the landscape, and that is that there has been this enormous amount of erosion.

Now I'm not saying this enormous amount of erosion. It was all created by a flood, but I think what he is possibly saying is that when we go back several million years, there are no giant floods on this scale and that it is exceptional that there is something that every now and then and we see this is what what is it. completely removed from the glaciers, any water that had eroded this landscape did not come from the glaciers, it had to have come from rain. If you go to the next slide, Jamie thought it's not a disconnected element because because of the massive rain that was a result of the impacts on the ice sheet.

What is this? This is Valles Caldera. This is the largest volcanic caldera in North America. Oh, it's 11 miles wide and this is what was born from a catastrophe millions of years ago. and then subsequent eruptions over hundreds of thousands of years have left this feature, but what's interesting to us here is what happened about 12,000 years ago: the whole caldera suddenly filled up and if you look to the right, if you you look like a clock at about 8 o'clock, you can see a gap in the Valley coming out, you see you know, Jamie, can you, yeah, right there, that was the overflow, so at the same time, get this on the same time window in which these floods are happening?

In Washington, Idaho, and Montana, this caldera suddenly fills with water and the water spills over the edge and cuts a canyon hundreds of feet deep. Now what could cause it to suddenly fill with water and be completely removed? It does not receive glacial meltwater. There is only one thing by default and that would be rain, a lot of rain falling for days and days at a time, so if you go to the next slide we will see what is at the bottom of this valley, there are thousands of these giant rocks rolled and You know their water is transported because they're round, they're rolled, that's what water does, it rolls these things now, this is in New Mexico, look, this is related to the spillway, the overflow of their entire caldera dating back to That same interval in which the floods occurred in the north, the same interval in which the comet is now dated, is this coincidence or are the two related.

I would say it would be very premature to dismiss it and say that they are not related to that because, as Graham I just said one of the consequences of an impact, whether in the ocean or in the ice sheet, is that they will be injected extreme amounts of water vapor catastrophically into the atmosphere, which will then rain in in incredible torrential downpours that can last for days at a time and along with that water vapor there is an enormous amount of particle mass and it is that rain that I would say caused the erosion on the Sphinx and tells us that the Sphinx is 12,000 years old. not 2500 BC you guys are scaring me this is amazing this is the most convincing argument you guys have ever made this is all everyone has been convinced of this is this is more convincing and then all the pieces, let's put them together you know the next slide Jamie, that it would be 1032, which to me is a beautiful example of scale and variation.

Wow, here we have the modern Snake River flowing in the modern channel and then we have the old flood channel and where you can see the average annual discharge there. of the snake fifty-six thousand nine hundred cubic feet, but the estimated flood that created the great channel is 40 million cubic feet and now this flood was actually coming, get this out of Utah, it was coming, it was part of the giant Lake Bonneville of which the Great Salt Lake is but a tiny remnant so the Bonneville Salt Flats were the bottom of this gigantic lake that filled the basins of northeastern Utah and at the end of the last ice age of suddenly it filled very quickly and spilled over a mountain pass to the north and then flooded to the south the Snake River Plain in southern Idaho and anyone can see the Snake River Plain if they go to Google Earth or any topographic map and cut canals like this one that eventually led to the Columbia River.

River, but interestingly the dating of this puts it again right in that window, so that window from twelve thousand eight hundred to eleven thousand six hundred years ago when everything changes, yes, everything changes, so what I'm showing you is just a little bit selecting at random. almost dots to show you that no matter where you look, you will see evidence of these events imprinted on the landscape. Yeah, go to the next slide 1033 and if you go down and stand on that floodplain over there, you'll see Look at the kind of things that were left behind. This is the sediment load that was transported in the flood.

Wow, so you know what kind of powerful currents are necessary to carry and I'm standing in the canyon that was cut off by the flood. Those walls are 400 feet high, so what we would consider as small pebbles at the bottom of a stream move yes, on a large scale, this is like grains of sand at the bottom of a small modern stream, but River said that huge boulders, yes, and this is what a geologist or geomorphologist would call the bed load, the things that were carried away by the flood waters rolled and fell and geologists recognize this, but they believe that it was necessary for geologists conventional, no, I mean, do the few geological lepers that have been written on this admit that it was a great catastrophic flood.

Wow, and what's your explanation for that catastrophic flood? Well, somehow Lake Bonneville rose up and something broke a pass and its northern edge, but you know, that's possible somehow, well, yeah, yeah. you have enough prolonged rain over a period of days or weeks that your whole body water could have risen about 300 feet and then I bet you again that you would need something like the comet impact to provide you with a source for that rain, because otherwise , there is no other explanation for that type of rainfall and it is known from ocean impact modeling that yes, there would be incredible rainfall after an ocean impact and clearly the same would happen after an ice impact. what oceanic impacts we have recorded only a few of them armed there is one in Sweden.

We were also discussing the possible impact in the Indian Ocean, possibly one in the Indian Ocean 5,000 years ago, which creates tsunamis on both sides of the Indian Ocean dated: a massive tsunami removal deposits and again this whole argument of the Younger Dryas cataclysm between twelve thousand eight hundred and eleven thousand six hundred years ago. The strongest case is that the focus of science has been on twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, but there is also a lot of interest in eleven thousand six hundred years ago and the strongest suggestion of what caused that sudden rise in temperatures was necessary by the pulse of meltwater.

Well, one B was a second encounter with more fragments of the comet's remains this time. The impacts occur not in the North American ice field, but in a major ocean, probably the Pacific, and that then generates a huge plume of water vapor in the upper atmosphere, enveloping the Earth and creating the greenhouse effect that explains the radical increase in temperature. That happened eleven thousand six hundred years ago. More science needs to be done on this. It's another reason why I want the comet research group to be funded because this is an important roadmap. Amazing Amazon podcast mmm, this might be my all time favorite, yeah.

Okay, we'll talk about half a dozen more keys, yeah, sure, let's roll. Well, one thousand thirty-nine, and this is here. Now you will be able to see a person in the field of vision next to a giant stream. wave and there's a giant that's a giant current wave field we saw this green this is the West bar very cool yeah if you go back a slide we can see an aerial photo I took years ago of the West bar it's three miles long there it's whoa and there is an airport in the lighter colored areas, there is a runway and the airport building is three stories high, so this whole feature is three miles long and the waves here are on the same scale as the Camas Prairie waves that we just saw, of course, this is in central Washington, the other one was in Montana, so again, as we start to put these event nodes on the map, we can start to see the outlines of a really huge event and all this is. happening at the same time, this is dated at the same time, this is all dated at the same time that you think the impact took place and it's all over that coast, the only dates we have where our hard dates are a volcanic ash mostly of mount st.

Helens dates it at 13,000 years, but they use that as a basis and then assume that there were multiple floods and that each flood was separated by fifty to a hundred years and what they did is build on Rex's original model of a single flood into a dozen floods. in forty floods and now up to 80 or 90 floods with which I do not agree, but on the other hand there were, I think we must understand this in two phases because theAnit impact phase is going to melt a lot. of ice suddenly, but it is not going to melt everything, it is going to leave a huge amount of residual ice as a consequence.

Now what we see is that, particularly after the event 11,600 years ago, at that time, the entire planet turns upright. out of the Ice Age, unexplainable, the end of the ice, that's the end of the Ice Age, the beginning of the Holocene, it's over and basically what we're seeing here is that suddenly there's a huge amount of heat that has taken to the planet. of ice does not turn back into the Ice Age as it did in the C event of 12,900, so what we have is that after this event, the entire Earth's climate has been completely altered, the entire balance of nature has been altered.

It's been completely altered from before these events to after these events, but what we have now is a lot of residual ice that takes about two or three thousand years to melt, so sea levels continue to rise. Sea levels continue to rise and this ice melts. It produces some pretty big flooding, but not on the scale of what we're seeing here and I think in my personal opinion there is a confusion between the two different flooding regimes and I'm going to document everything I'm writing about. in detail like a like like a thesis to explain my interpretation of the phenomena over you know 20 years, but let's get to it, it would be very important.

I would love to see people review this carefully because it is very compelling. As amazing as this image itself is just wow, what kind of power and force would it take to create those ripples, those 50 foot tall ripples all over the place, miles and miles and miles of yes and not seeing anything from that event has occurred? It really affected them, they're still sitting there, there are these gigantic, monstrous fossil features in the landscape now, when they sample those things, how do they find out as far as dating if they get to the bottom of one of those waves?

You have to find a lot, you have to be able to find organic material right there and to the extent that there is organic material, it basically all dates back to the end of the Ice Age, the problem is when you have a flood like This thing happening is sweeping everything away. its passage, including forests and animals, so if you have a bone there or a piece of wood, that doesn't necessarily mean that when the flooding occurred properly, it's not a good layer of those sediment layers. It's a mess, yeah, a mess, a chaotic mess, it's not like you can just go dig in the side of that hill on that same level and find something that's organic and absolutely antiquated because that's all stone, right, they're boulders, if you saw it. a cross section of one of those waves is just a chaotic mess of everything from fine sand and silt to rocks the size of cars and even houses and stuff, yeah that's so crazy, go to 10:41 and we'll see an interesting artistic interpretation by Edward Riau, who did all the illustrations for Jules Verne's original books on jewelry and made a version for Anna. shows an event on the scale of what we are talking about and the interesting thing here is that you see that the torrents carry icebergs and in this iceberg in the foreground I call it grams of rock, from now on it will be what I have officially become. headed to graves is wearing it Can I get a dress Me or are we talking about it now it's grams yeah because I went and up it's not the erratic rush of Wenatchee anymore it's the grammar junkie I'm on a trip thanks okay So we have al grammar junkie appearing in about three pictures, so let's move on to the next one, ten forty-two, and this is basically another key piece of evidence that's scattered over thousands of square miles throughout the flood, you've got these giant rocks and these are being transported aboard icebergs, let me describe what we're seeing right now because as a person it's you, I took the photo, so it's two of my traveling companions, okay, normal sized people and you know. whatever six feet tall and bounce them on top of each other 12:18 you're looking at probably at least 35 40 feet tall right now yeah and wider than tall oh yeah, 60 feet wide that's crazy and that was carried by water, it was carried, it was carried on icebergs, yes, in the water, oh my God, so this flood is not just water, it is huge thousands of icebergs, it is forests held by the boots, it is a mess, massive, powerful erosive flow, amazing thousands of megafauna is no longer in doubt, in fact, many mammoth remains have been found in the missoula flood sediments, they are usually in the Willamette Valley, okay, let's move on to the next image, here we go, I like this in the middle of the Prairie again you have thousands of these things I'll tell you I'm a chicken I wouldn't stay there there I think that thing is going to roll on top of you that would be a wrapper son yes, this is known like raw Yeager that thing is huge and you want to eat there, no, that's one of my attempts, I took the pictures, tell it to stay there, yeah, I said stay there and I made the other guys go around the back Rock Bush.

This thing is kind of hanging off the side of that hill, the same way that some of those houses in the Hollywood Hills are on stilts, see that rounded mass of things that it's sitting on is called Berg Mound and you'll see that these icebergs don't They are clean ice, they are dirty. They are full of gravel and debris, so in a Berg, when a Berg is washed away by the flood and the flood waters subside, the Bergs become stranded in the ground and then they melt and if there is no Rock, there is only a mound, if there is no Gigantic Rock, there is just a mound, but if there is a Gigantic Rock transported aboard the iceberg, it will be sitting on an iceberg mound as you see, that's incredible, so that white line that we see was where there was the iceberg when it deposited that thing and then it melted from there. no it's actually a bedding plane between two different types of basalt so okay so the mound below is what you're saying is the burgh mound which is the Berg mountain and the rock, the big rock was the load that was on top of the iceberg, okay?

So the Berg isn't just water, it's water with a bunch of dirt and all kinds of other stuff, yeah, and when it melts, that's what it leaves behind, it leaves bhai, that's amazing, okay, in the next picture we have the

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set that up there, well that's me on top of that there in the tunnel of eighteen thousand, there once you walked, yes, I was. I do that from time to time, but it's an incredible experience to be there and think what transported this, well, we know. It was transported on an iceberg and it was dumped there on the side of that valley and it's just the thought of thousands of these things moving at 60 or 70 miles an hour carried along by a gigantic flood, how do we have anything left?

It is no wonder that we have forgotten our past and say and this is what I mean, what we are doing here is we are looking for where these floods are most spectacularly preserved and the reason is that there was a very steep slope from the elevation of the ice sheet to the Pacific Ocean, but like Graham and I, when we crossed, we crossed the Continental Divide and traveled from the Rocky Mountains to the Twin Cities, which are on the Mississippi River, and all the way we were surprised crossing huge melt waters. At Cooley we crossed the valley of the Missouri River, which is an unfit, very snake-like stream, where the modern Missouri is just a small strip of river occupying this huge meltwater channel, of which there are hundreds on the plains , and then when we got to Minneapolis.

We climbed up and visited some of the largest known PHA labyrinth potholes. Let's go again. You're looking at the scale of giants. This is beyond imagination. What you see and the only thing that makes sense is that the explanation of the flood makes sense. Go go to 1:05 for Jamie and see, here we go. I'm inside the pothole, one of the potholes that hangs on Gram, so it's a pothole carved in stone by a hot tub, yeah, picking up stones in them and the rock said erosive agent that's cutting into the pothole, think like a huge hydraulic drill.

Wow, I just pick up thick rock and then just drill well, literally drill holes 50, 60, 80 feet deep again, go to YouTube please, if you're listening to this, just go. you just have to fast forward to this this is crazy this picture is crazy just thinking about seeing rocks spinning now wobbling on the ground and you're talking about a short period of time oh yeah you probably already know I guess you know this Giant floods of meltwater this is right along st. The Croix River, which forms the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin, probably lasted several weeks when it peaked, so drilling into the bedrock was probably accomplished within that time frame, which I wouldn't give to know how it went. that. to see it properly you would have had to be in orbit to survive, yes even if you are flying in a plane they are probably just the atmospheric change, this is on top of these flood sediments that I have documented. from Ohio to Washington state there are thick layers of loss now Loess is this strange top layer of soil that fell and they've been arguing for generations if that's when it was deposited or if water was deposited, but the funny thing is that it seems to be both wind and water. deposited, but I think the obvious explanation is that when you see the upper layers of the flood sediments, particularly in the later flood regions where the water was calm or rather than so torrential, you see these very beautiful layers.

They are called rhythmitas, they are very rhythmic. Additionally, there is a layer of this topsoil lost with this vertical structure. Well, for me, and again without going into technical background, I think the logical explanation and the most likely explanation is that in the end. of the final flood, what you are seeing is a rain of mud and this rain of mud came down and what many ancient traditions talk about, yes, black bituminous rain, mud falling from the sky, darkness, a time of darkness, everything is described in myth myths are the memory banks of humanity shouldn't we call myths should we call them memories yes exactly over and over again this muddy rain fits perfectly with the entire narrative and yes with mythology it's right there when we think of these, the idea of ​​In these tsunamis we think of water that you can see, chances are we're dealing with all the air around you filled with a rented downpour and solid matter, everything flies through the air, slurry, incredible winds, incredible winds, yeah, so it's wind and water and just full. -in the chaos, the super hurricanes, their nature went chaotic and crazy on the best steroids, wow, this is what is so wild and it's real, that's the thing this time while people were alive, oh yeah, and After a while people were alive, absolutely, it's not a dinosaur thing, no. happened the blink of an eye ago happened happened when anatomically modern humans had already existed for two hundred thousand years writing well no, but not according to orthodox historians, but if we are dealing with a lost civilization which I think is the case then yes it totally makes sense mmm it totally makes sense yes and it's time to understand this it's time to move to the next level and start to recover our memory yes, we also begin to recognize this is this is a potential reality, yes, this is not just the past, this is very possible and once again if I may say so, crowdfunding is the opportunity for people to give their voice show.

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I would like to connect my DSD which has many of these images. Okay, that's about five hours of stuff. Blu-ray and if you go to the Sacred Geometry International website you have it available as a download, if it's not already, yes I think it's available for download, yes my laptop doesn't even know about it, no in other words, yes, nobody. makes more, the answer is yes, okay, if not now, it will be. I think it's actually available now. Yeah, I'll get it on iTunes or Amazon or something on their stuff hours, but I get into a lot of other stuff. interesting side lines are archaeo-astronomer gary and so on that might be associated with ancient cultures and what is this called again um beautiful cosmic patterns and catastrophe cycles and Anna is there yeah that's the old version this is the version newest improved. okay, yeah, therecome on there we go beautiful there's the blu-ray yes there's the blu-ray yes ok send a great HD download there it is yes gentlemen this has been a long long podcast of genius, hey man, this is cemented in my head, I mean.

The idea was already cemented in my head, but these images along with their compelling narrative cement it even more. It's amazing, it's such a great podcast that managed to entertain me and scare me at the same time, so thanks for that Graham, it's a Graham. underline Hancock on Twitter yeah double underline coffee but other wonders yeah they made it very hard to reach me on Twitter but it's there and then you know I have my Facebook page and my website is the main portal Graham Hancock with everything. comes out, they are like my book, my events and all kinds of angry fights on Twitter so they know which one to present.

No, I'm verified on Facebook, but I haven't been verified on Twitter and don't you dare. Engine, you know? I have a hundred thousand followers there, but they haven't, they haven't verified me. It's me, yeah Randall, how much do you pay attention to social media? You have yourself from time to time. I'll soak in them for a few days or as long as I can handle and then I'll have to rest for a while, well you're going to get an avalanche of questions about this because it was amazing, thank you very much really. I am very grateful and honored to be able to do it.

I know you because for me this is, I mean, the best thing for me on this podcast is being able to have people talk about things that I find absolutely captivating and you guys, I think what you're doing is very important. You are playing a very important role, Joe, in opening people's minds to unthinkable thoughts around the world. Things people have been told they can't think about. Your program is opening doors that have never been opened before for me. I don't know how that happened. I would like to take you out into the field. No, I would like to go out there, take you out into the field because I want to see those things.

Yeah, that's when I go to Washington state. let's set something up we'll make a video I want to go there I want to see let's do it it looks crazy seriously this is young Jamie you at Jamie's okay let's all dance hard see you soon