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Eric Hebborn - Portrait of a Master Forger

Jun 04, 2021
the dealer is not interested in the art, he is basically interested in the money, but you know that the value of the artists is as good or bad as the price they reach. The art historian is not really very interested in art. I mean, he studies it, but he's much more interested in the art of it. career, if he is going to rise among no one, we can become director of some big museum, look, this is what he is really interested in and if he can get a knighthood because he knows a lot about Rembrandt, you know, but no one would have given him .
eric hebborn   portrait of a master forger
Rembrandt a knighthood for being Rembrandt, you know, serving, it's all false values ​​and the art is neglected, no one is really and truly studying it with the kind of honesty that is necessary and although I can't claim to be a very honest man In fact, although many people think that I am an old watch. I feel like in this case at least I'm honest. I mean, I'm trying to understand something about the ancient medieval hilltop town of Corrado, east of Rome, which for centuries has been home to painters and sculptors. 25 years ago, the English artist Eric had one who came to live here, how I will freeze after all this son.
eric hebborn   portrait of a master forger

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Here I am a gentleman at home, a palace and your love and I love London and I love my English friends, but when I am in the Piazza here, a local, the old people, you know, I feel that we can do the same and they are not going to say everything , you're your kind of working class, I'm not going to tell them in all the peasants, do it, we have our wine weed together happy I think I would have been happy as an artist in relationships and in the 20th century, but I would have liked to have been employed in a different way instead of having to be on the margins of society if they being a little trembling all that sky has dedicated much of his life to the study of Renaissance artists in particular the drawings made by the old

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s as preparatory sketches for his oil paintings well I think what attracts especially people who are not interested anymore.
eric hebborn   portrait of a master forger
Added to this is that they are spontaneous expressions of the artists, obviously, they are drawing a lot, whether they were done simply sitting scribbling on their paper or of elaborate and finished drawings or done as a caricature of a painting, but you get a lot. more personal feeling, I think because of the drawing, how the artist, I mean, is that I am often Lee starting with Leonardo. Artists really thought on paper. I have made drawings in the Dutch style, in the Flemish style, in the German style, in the Swiss style, in the Italian style and I have even deigned to do some English drawings and some French toys and normally I have chosen important

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s not necessarily the greatest because nowadays it is very difficult to convince people when you appear with a Rembrandt or Michelangelo or Leonardo they say let's go tell someone else, you know, but even so I have met people like Stefano delle bella and caste Leonese martyrs of the 17th century of a certain importance, including Rubens and then Dyck, so I have worked with some very important artists and I wouldn't call a normal wine artist profit.
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I call the agent a minor artist and all these people I have have done nothing for ebony. He claims to have made over a thousand drawings in the style of dozens of different artists from the 14th to the 20th century. Many of these drawings are now in the possession of some of the most important private and national collections around the world, from the British Museum to the Museum Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. I'm not a criminal. I'm just doing what people have always done. made during the history of the world, that is, since art was invented, people have made imitations, let's say, and I believe that the real criminal, if there is one, is the person who makes the false description.
I mean, if I told you that this statue here is due to events in Italy for whoever it was copied from. I would be giving a false description even if I said it was Roman. I would be making a description of the publication because it is a modern copy but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it I mean you can enjoy the fake is not necessarily bad as a work of art it's just something that is poorly described and age sometimes gives dignity to imitations as long as they are of a certain quality and should be enjoyed for what they are rather than interrogated for what they are not, the sale of several drawings in the style of Gustus John to a specialist dealer in London helped finance their permanent move to Italy in the summer of 1964 for the next decade, business was brisk at the top. floor of an ancient palace in the heart of Rome's ancient district, a short walk from Christie's sales room in Piazza Navona, for a Christie's sale in Rome in 1974, everyone provided twenty-four drawings in the style of various old masters, which were attributed by Christie's. to 16th century artists such as stefano delle bella lucacambioso FR Bartolomeo, as a self-proclaimed dealer in old master drawings, was born and was able to offer his own efforts along with perfectly genuine examples.
He called this business bread and butter panini galleries and quickly re-established links with the London art trade very soon after I went to court he argues that when a drawing was sent from Italy from some galleries called Ambrogio's Neely Gallery, whether ancient or younger, who had been at universities in the 1930s, could be traced in a collection. book and I think it may even have been exhibited. I can't really remember the condition and this seemed like a perfectly genuine nice drawing that they were most happy to buy it again and as a result I think I'll fall asleep pretty soon.
After us I thought I would visit Erica Berlin, who was living in the room at the time. I bought a drawing at a sale that wasn't in one of the big sales rooms, like Christie's and Sotheby's, and I noticed on the back a label, the label of a The dealer called Corn Rd and I thought, well, you know, If they had it, it's probably a decent drawing and I brought it home and it said it was from Blue Eagle, so I hung it on the wall. Good game, proud to have bought a kid for only 40 quid I thought how the hell did I get it so cheap if it's a real Eagle, then Wright was there for a few months and then I started looking at it Nathan, no this is not a surprise this It is a copy that I thought was a coffee engravers because in the old days the only way to reproduce drawings, as you know, is for the engraver to make an engraving and we produce it, so to make his engraving he first made a copy in the medium that the artists had used.
I thought that's what it is and engravers copy, so I asked myself, why can't I copy this copy and make it a little better? Then it will be a little more workable, so I said work that way. and I made a copy a very close copy an almost exact copy but I sped up the lines so I did give it a more vigorous movement and it did look a little more like a boy/girl to me when I finished and then I did it. something I rather regret having done now I broke what I copied what was in the corn frame.
I threw it in the sink. I'd rather not have done it because it would be nice now to compare, you know, maybe over time, you know, maybe. I destroyed an original Weigel. I hope not and it seems like people at the Metropolitan Museum think the same. I mean, they seem to be happy with my coffee. I have spoken very recently in the last few days with the Metropolitan Museum, who naturally We have put it through very strict tests, like tests that can be done, and they say that the paper is perfectly genuine, the ink looks good for drawing on that date and, although they naturally keep an open mind about it, they can see absolutely nothing wrong with it. dry, I don't have to prove what I did or didn't do, if they can't see it, what kind of damn experts are they.
I mean, they should be able to tell this is definitely Michael's, but then you ask them and they say yes. this is definitely because of broeckel so you tell them it's because of jangle the old or the gonca well we're pretty sure that professor so and so says he's the youngest professor so and so says he's the oldest but he could be a very follower late that is my statement. I mean, I wanted to test what you can do with ink, but that means P assumes that there had to be certain substances in ink that weren't known at his particular time, but for the most part I mean. wouldn't help and anyway to do this, yeah you don't have to mess up the drawing so it will be done at the end of the day hopefully it will be much better.
I was just in the forest, they are incredibly calm when there is little water. fires to collect oak galls and I need these to make alcohol ink, which is the type of ink that the parmigianino used in the 16th century and this is a common recipe for calling Oh. There are about thirty that I have in my collection in terms of recipes. going to an Arab drain water gun and a little bian iron sulfide it oxidizes and eats the paper many old drawings that are consumed in this way in parts of the drawing I imitated that in the Pusa I did it I would not have done it in a drawing more important because it reduces the navigation ability of the drawing when it is in poor condition.
I mean, if I had meant that boo Center passes as a sample of boo, otherwise I wouldn't have aged it that way because the value would have gone down immensely, but in this case I thought, well, you know, let's give it a Really nice old pattern, make it convincing, that's what I did. No ingredient is really secret because chemical analysis can really uncover it, but I don't want to encourage it. falsified line by revealing these tricks of the trade that people could use dishonestly in the early part of my life. I think it's quite sad. My father seems to have always been out of work and my mother had many children.
The poor woman seemed to be under great stress. having taken her, you know, the revenge of the world, and she used to treat me right and wrong when she was eight years old. She was still trying her luck with Roy. I discovered that if you light a swan vest with a match, you have a little piece of charcoal on the end that you can draw with and dip it in the inkwell at school in those days when they had ink it was nothing to have anymore, but anyway I did that and made sketches and the director came to inspect and saw that.
On my desk I had this match and a piece of sandpaper and he thought I was playing with fire and he gave me a wipe and I thought, well, I've been punished for the fact, no, I shouldn't do it and I went. The cloakroom lit up and the fire started to spread and I got scared and thought I'd better tell the director, mr. Percy, what had happened, so I stuck my smoky face out of his door and said why couldn't I, I didn't know how to put it on, please, so I set the school on fire.
I recited a little poem. I would find out that they were fire fire lady. Dyer where where the lady. Claire made that smoke map, went into her study, and I found myself in juvenile court being charged. They asked me what was guilty or not guilty of arson. I didn't know any of the words. I didn't know the word guilty or arson I didn't know what it meant but the police officers standing next to me said I say guilty son says I'm not safe guilty so that's what I did and I ended up in the correctional facility I was a promising nun beginning Berek was born arrived as a student at the Royal Academy around 1950 it sounds as if the Academy itself the sky was already steeped in the ways of the old masters very few comments were made about one's work, apart from the strange revelation that someone had won a prize or one was happy, as you can see, for a lot of prizes.
We didn't win anything, we barely knew practically anything, I was a really, really good silent creature, I mean, I just kept to myself, didn't mix with other students, as far as I remember, I always was. I never remember seeing him in the canteen or anything, he was always around painting these green grounds of Varanasi and all this time all his old master stuff that he painted in old master styles, my man thought it was a joke, in Actually, Karen Raye and Nancy Goldsworthy also studied with one. uh, it was a school that produced a lot of brilliant people, of which Eric was one, although it didn't seem like he was because he was so quiet, but when you talked to him you knew he was an interesting person right away.
Oh, he was madly in love. with him, yes of course, he used to say that Nance is playing hard to get rid of when he was at the Royal Academy, he won all the drawing prizes, so we are dealing with a very talented cartoonist when he was still a student at the Royal Academy. Eric Highborn Academy discovered that he was colorblind. He had this funny thing, I think men have it more often than women, of not being able to distinguish between certain degrees and certain greens and sometimes he painted pictures with scary screens that he just couldn't. look and I thought they were delicate pearly grays and actually they weren't and I had to look at the tubes of color and read the label to make sure I wasn't falling into this trap there was a time when hippies I was around people who drank LSD and they gave me some inside cake.
I didn't know the difference, crushed and suddenly I was hallucinating and seeing things in the most extraordinary way and my color blindness seemed to clear up after that Italian of the centuryXVIII. The draftsman whose architectural drawings have consistently attracted the sky is Giovanni Battista for Nazy, an excellent example of this master's work. A magnificent Roman port was sold to the National Gallery of Denmark for fourteen thousand pounds in 1969 by the London dealer Kalman, who was hence called Kalman because he is now dead, was a dealer in drawing axes and a very important dealer in old masters who perhaps had the best stock in old master Roy's London at one time, even HAP is even better than Cornell.
God, I sold him a lot of drawings, I mean. I imagine they numbered in the hundreds. He, you know, put my work on the market in large quantities and who are the important people? There is a foreign Asian in the nursery with Denmark researching in a Roman port, thought the chief minister. Did you do that? Yes, of course I did. I've said it so many times and other people have said that, sir. Why do you suppose this is not being accepted now? Well, I don't know, those illusions maybe on the part of the National Gallery of Denmark but in their proof of but I mean it's absolutely fine I say but people believe what they want to believe but there is no doubt that the drawing passed through my hands I want say that I had the drawing that it was I who sold it to Kalman's hands and it was Kalman's hands who sold it to the National Gallery of Denmark and it was not known before everyone's friendship with the late Sir Anthony Blunt gave it credibility to his activities as a dealer.
Dealers who work with high quality drawings tend to want an academic opinion and that's why in Blount's case he would occasionally give his thumbs up saying oh yeah I think he's a genuine Prasad castellone dalla bella or whatever artist Lund knew about quite a bit and, of course, sometimes mistakes were made, but if a mistake was made, it is basically uncorrectable because without someone writing a very serious article in the Leonard newspaper saying that these attributions are demonstrably incorrect, the matter simply disappears. I knew that Anthony Blunt and Kalman, the chicken merchant, were antagonists, I mean, they didn't agree with each other.
Other hands thought that Denton E was, don't you know, the right Hans, who then and Anthony thought that therefore Calvin was not right, so I thought I would make this drawing to make fun of them. I thought it would bring it close enough to the sanfur taboo. Antony should take it seriously, but not close, he should not accept it and put it there, you know, among Master's works, then I take it in my hands and say, look, Antony Blunt says this is false, what do you think? But he knew that his reaction would be what to pretend if Antony such a failure must be genuine that kind of thing Anthony Blunt was considered one of the great experts, he was ingenious in charge of the Royal Collection and the Royal Collection has been one of the most magnificent in the world. drawing masters in the world and that he was dedicated to cataloging them and supervising other people's catalogues, his range of experience, knowledge and awareness was immense.
Christopher White at Carnegie's had been one of his students as was I, and I am sure that among his students there was a level of devotion, if not veneration, that made us take very seriously anything he was inclined to suggest. When I have a friend, I treat them slightly differently. I treat them like I treat them, so not totally objective about anything. I would hate to ruin his reputation as a scholar when he was alive. He didn't want to do it and now he's dead. I do not want to do it. I don't want to jeopardize his well.
I said: did you know his reputation? So I always tend to defend him. I know this isn't objective, but at least I admit it. No, we weren't, but we almost were, as one night I came back from the fellowship in Rome and I hadn't seen him for several months and he sent me a telegram, sir, why is he so damn distant. I think the telegram made the war so distant. Phone and he gave me his phone number and I called him and told him to come over tonight and we'll have some drinks together I turned around he was drinking his gin and tonic he laughed and I don't care either but his stomach was empty my god as drunk as a sir and he got as drunk as a sir which he was watching his base and we were tossing and turning, finally we collapsed on his bed and I'm sure if we hadn't drank him so much, I mean you know we actually could have made love , but we literally went to bed together and in my In the book I said that we were suffering from the fall of the Brewers, as they called some circles, what happened and where he was very clever was that he dealt with drawings of old men teachers, in addition to being a brilliant artist, so he mixed his drawings with those. with those as originals of original works and I think he probably showed them to Blunt and of course Blunt was a collector and therefore would have been interested in seeing them anyway and I'm sure Blunt would comment on them but no No I don't think there was any collusion with Blunt, who actually worked with Heaven Set and then told him to go to Sotheby's, Christie's, Cole Nagas or wherever and sell the drawings, it seems I sold a lot through Corner Keys because Cornell Giza was the only one person who did a public statement saying it had sold in 1978 the London dealers Col Nagi & Co felt obliged to issue a statement to the press they recognized a common hand at work in several of the drawings they had handled over the previous 10 years the source was born Erica one of these was a missing link in the irv of the great Flemish master Sir Anthony Van Dyck which was intended as a study for his painting of Christ Crowned with Thorns.
I was looking at a book on Van Dyck drawings and I saw a series of drawings preparatory studies for painting and I thought you know he missed an opportunity there and I CLE it would be better if that figure was moved here and a little more stress there and with I will try it and so I made a drawing in his own way, making a variation of the other drawings. What was interesting about Eric Evans' approach to making that drawing was that he found a group of parrots. Few studies done by Van Dyck for a painting where I was able to experiment with different positions and This is something perfectly common, but for us it was unusual, but we thought of four or five drawings for this particular composition and what he did very cleverly was to rearrange the figures taking a figure from one drawing and another from another in It is a perfectly reasonable thing for the artist, I mean, since he was working on his ideas to find the ideal solution, but when you study them very carefully you see that there is something quite suitable in the way in which he extrapolated a figure from one drawing to another, but, as I say, it was, it was good.
I saved all the brilliant people together. Cole Maggie unknowingly sold her joined bones to the British as VanDyke for an undisclosed sum in 1970. Now correctly attributed to Ericka, whoever buys a babe has been deceived, that's something that causes concern, I mean, whether the public institution or the private collector, both in Keith here and I think those who worry when people are deceived, any of the drawings that they have supposedly made passed through their hands. From leading dealers and from the great auction houses Sotheby's and Christie's in the possession of private collectors and masters of the Renaissance, heaven claims about 80 drawings in the style of Augustus John, successfully executed by Stakin Lee, attributed and sold in London by stenographer Elana Seeley, vice president and director of Fine Arts at Christie's was not available for comment, Julian's stock, old master drawings.
The Sotheby's Department was pleased to have the opportunity to clarify the conclusion. Well, it is possible that there are a thousand drawings, but the list that they have given me of what they admit only reaches 80, so it seems to me that there are another nine hundred or so out there, one of the drawings that we sold and already in 1967 it was this drawing quite beautiful of a page the one that welcomed us because we cataloged it as attributed to Francesco del Casas and based on the attribution of another drawing in the British Museum that, in fact, mr.
Heaven now says that it was the prototype of it and we sold it. I think it must have been one of the first drawings that he actually sent for sale and was bought by Col Nagas, who later did not believe our attribution to Francesco del Casas. It is a 15th century northern Italian school and was purchased by Morgan live at the Pierpont Morgan Library in New York, which is one of the most renowned libraries in the world. I'd say it has to be one of the best that's probably ever existed. I think one could go that far, although now that we have recognized his work it is very easy for me to see them, it is very easy anyway.
I'm sure for some people they are probably still struggling to believe that they can be faked. another drawing but we had apparently Eric Kevin claims that he drew it was a Yann Bruegel drawing that we sold and this one I must admit is very different from the others we are seeing now with the papers erased, which is more like a kind of rubbing , it's some iron on the paper that has gotten wet and it has a disease on the paper and this drawing is very spontaneous, it says that it drew and actually I'm not 100% sure about that. he made it, I really wonder if this is from heaven and I would like him to see the drawing, however, we sold it and then it went to a merchant in Hamburg and the merchant in Hamburg did not find a customer. and he gave it to another auction house to sell in Amsterdam and it was sold in Amsterdam and I don't know where it is now this is a Leonardo drawing that was offered to us and I looked at it and I felt like it was a

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y and I'm not sure it's by Eric Heaven, but I wouldn't be surprised and would be interested in having Mr.
Heaven comment on it because in my opinion and that of many other people it is certainly a fake why the facial types are one of the main clues here, although there is regret in the Baptist's head, the faces are too sweet and do not have the physiognomy that they would have in the early 16th century Penta Mint is when an artist is quickly working on a position for a figure and moves his head like this like this like this or like this and every thing everything will be in a drawing now, that is Penta, it means it is repressed, we call it pentimenti and when we see that, that gives us a lot of confidence that the drawing is an original work of art because normally the copyist doesn't do that, he just copies one. head position so God knew this one probably obviously loves the old masters he must have looked at them very intensely the fact that he uses old paper and why didn't he use new paper didn't he use new paper because he would know that we are not such simple volumes that contain blank endpapers can still be easily obtained in antiquarian bookstores.
Here I have another book. I have removed a piece of the Benham and if, interestingly, the shape corresponds to Rolla, use me with this one. drawing if we notice blind downward slopes at the top and so on this is attributed to the law of the strong staff of the head of an eagle the inspiration for that drawing came from a photograph in a book called Annie Marley mondo Annie Marley and there is the photograph, let's take a look at the drawing along with it, there we are, you see that it is in exactly the same position and I think there is little doubt that, in fact, that photograph is the inspiration for this drawing.
This drawing was attributed to the Italian Renaissance artist Pisanello by Salomon a Gastonia Gallery. assignee at its sale in Milan in 85 in the same sale that contained a large group of drawings now claimed by heaven there was a small study of women attributed to Parma or Giovanni here we have Paul Maynard Giovanni Venice area 1544 and here it is my sketch for this or related to it, I screwed it up, I wanted it gone and somehow it survived, you sold this thing and it has old Spencer's X collection here, now how the hell he could have had it before I produced it I'll never know Important drawings often bear one or more collector's marks, small stamped monograms that indicate their past history with collectors such as Jonathan Richardson and Sir Joshua Reynolds.
Many of the drawings he now claims to have made have fake collector's marks, which I imagine goes further. By simply drawing and letting the expert decide, you are actually making the expert believe that the drawing comes from Sir Joshua Reynolds or Sir Peter Lee Lee and therefore should be an original Reynolds collection, it is not particularly distinguished, it contained a lot of dross and I mean, sometimes collectors branded sheets are more interesting for the brand than the drawing, like it's a pretty clever tool, yeah, why not, they're very decorative, I mean , it could be that it could be claimed, I mean, people.
They will claim it is a fake, but that is just their opinion. Tell me why you protected your brand well. They looked like ice. One thing. I enjoy it because they helped convince the experts that they were generalists. I don't believe it. I mean, if they were experts. you would have seen that they were fake collectors marks, you should have seen, in fact, they were not very well made, some of them were done freehand in watercolor instead of being stamped, I mean, I made them in a very amateur way, no they should have done it. I haven't been fooled at all, but you see what the factor in the whole thing is.takes over people's imagination.
The money. Eric has never hurt anyone. He's crossed a lot of people. A lot of money. And I am very happy. He laughs at the expert. and you get a certain pleasure from seeing a drawing you made in a museum with the learning catalog entry and you look at it and think, well, they don't know what they're talking about and I guess there's a certain pleasure. of pleasure, of course, in a way, it amuses me too. I became your millionaire. You won a million. Yeah, I mean, it's certainly not a lot of money. It must have passed through my hands, but nowadays it passes through everyone's hands because life is expensive.
A modest lifestyle like mine costs money and I've had to make a living as an artist, painter, sculptor and all this kind of stuff in my own right and some of the money I've made I've also made during the

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ies. I don't like the word fake being applied to perfectly genuine drawings, but you know it's a word people will apply to what I've done. I think he has behaved extremely badly. strange people who have trusted him and who I find deeply offensive in terms of sympathy for trading which I have absolutely no, trading has always been good, certainly for most of the last 30 years , trading has been bad but but it doesn't make sense who should know better in our business who not all who had such elastic judgment who shouldn't have taken risks who knowing once the finger had been pointed at Eric as it was very early that he was a dangerous client to deal with and continue to deal with on behalf of those people with whom we do not need to feel any sympathy.
My immediate reaction to the idea that Eric made at least a thousand drawings would assume that it was probably more than that, judging by the speed with which he made them. They are scribbled, I think his do chanise, who came out with a flashlight in the middle of the day, was asked what he was doing, he was once looking for an honest and good man, I think it is possible for you to find an honest man, but I don't think . You will find an honest man who is also a merchant. A new trader is likely to reject something where a huge profit lies in some sort of 10% suspicion.
He would accept it and push it. Italian traders are an extremely dubious bunch in general. I guess Italy has been a source of fakes for centuries and that's absolutely brilliant and the dealers don't mind selling them. You know, if someone is dumb enough to buy them, why not? If you get something that looks like Pontormo and I'm tremendously interested in establishing it as Pontormo. You know they won't seriously investigate it. The Seafarer palazzo stop is the kind of place I try to avoid because it's full of snobbish people and flashy people. people and I also feel too close to the merchants.
I would like to see their little liberal as much as possible, but you have to sell them something, then I Maus because, in general, I am an owner, you know they are not the type of people. I like it and I think they don't like it anymore addy hmm offers in northern Italy. He asked me if he could find him a collection of old drawings. I told him, well, no, I no longer dedicate myself to drawing. It's a world. um, you know, he'll be paid very well and I care about that, and I produced him about 30 big old masters, I mean very big names, Pontormo, and that's it, I'd piss on Ehlo parmigianino, the kind of stuff this merchant took the drawings. he removed them and put them up for sale and gave an incorrect attribution.
I mean, he must have known things were fake. I mean he ordered them. I mean he asked me if you would please do this and I did. You know it, and he knew it perfectly. what I was handling and when I saw a sales catalog with these reproduced droids I found that not only had he given the attributions as firm and defined but he also made spots on the drawing to simulate the age, which is neat because they were on old paper with old materials in any case and had also given false provenances. I was very surprised to find that the prices were so high, that is, one hundred and seventy million.
I think it was because of a Pontormo I did, we're talking £90,000. or something like that, there's enough money to draw, so you only have Spade the artist, 750 quid, if there's a big profit margin, Eric, high born, yes, it's from Eric, high born, Eric, The eldest born, Eric airborne ISM is an artist, Salomon to Gastonia. our dealer catalog the November 1985 land sale seemed confusing the dealer had helped compile it know the exact details of the Milan sale remain a mystery one magazine reported huge prices while other dealers who attended the sale dismissed it as a bad It is curious that little is known about the whereabouts of these drawings: one of the nobles of Milan.
The pastoral scene attributed to Castee Leone sold for more than nine thousand pounds at Christie's in London in December 1990. It was purchased by a prominent New York dealer. In fact, I have done my most important work in the last decade, but this is simply because I am getting better. Nobody is an artist. It's not like a footballer who, in a way, yes, gets tired after age 25 or whatever. You can go on forever and ever about this beautiful Goya drawing on the subject by saying that we still learn about oneself like an old man with a beard and staggering towards the grave, but one can still learn them and master them, so even in my forgeries I am getting better no I know when I suppose that if you made the perfect fake you don't there you can't improve I would like to think that I have made one or two perfect ones the old master toys are usually light and incomplete all of them and so on, but nevertheless they are very important because they are much more close to the artist's original thought, the noise he is putting into an idea in his first sketch and this is often lost in the final work.
One is closer to the creative process in a drawing and one is in a final piece of sculpture, painting or fresco and this is one of the values ​​of drawing, but I believe that there is an even deeper value in drawing and humanity is within about to lose it, it is becoming a dead art and it is the art of the line. I wouldn't say that society, academics or anyone else has taken me seriously. I would say they have completely ignored me. The only reason people notice me now is because I've made a bunch of fakes.
Nobody is really interested in the artistic aspect. What I have actually done, whether or not I have a contribution to make. What interests them is the scandal that someone has fooled some experts that we should enjoy. works on what they are, don't worry too much about whether the attributions are correct or not, in the long run I think my story will have a beneficial effect on the experts and I think they will take a broader view of that matter and not be such quick points as they are now

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