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Dr. Syed Haider Discusses COVID Management

Jun 05, 2021
This is all from Dr. Mobien here from Drewbean.com. Welcome to one more show so today we have another rock star and this is a special show for you on Sunday so we have Dr. Sayed Heather with us. He is known by one of the doctors. who started prescribing ivermectin for Covet, so I think he's one of the first doctors or the first doctors that started using fluvoxamine in addition to ivormectin and with great success, so let me quickly introduce you to Dr. Heather and then we would start talking to him , So thanks. A lot of people are already a lot of people here, so Dr.
dr syed haider discusses covid management
Heather was a National Merit Scholar and attended the University of Florida on a full academic scholarship for two years studying computer science and electrical engineering before enrolling at Shifa College of Medicine, where he completed a five-year bachelor of medicine with honors in biochemistry, completed his internal medicine residency at New York Methodist Hospital in Brooklyn, and then worked for 10 years as a hospitalist before transitioning to general telemedicine in early 2020 and focused on covet 19 delhi health since In December last year, he was one of the first doctors to successfully see the addition of fluvoxamine to the avomatin protocol.
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I also want to thank Redditor Stereo Match because it was a Stereo Match that reached out and said: Hi, we want to talk to dr. heather, so here we are now, dr. Heather and I have been talking on and off on the phone. He is also listed on the flccc site, so we have a rock star with us here. Dr. heather, welcome, thank you, it's really great to be here. Tell us a little about your work and then we'll ask you about the protocol you're using for Covert 19. Sure, I started ivermectin in late December or early December, actually after Dr.
dr syed haider discusses covid management
Corey's video went viral in front to the senate, so a lot of people started looking for iverbecten and at first I mainly saw people who just wanted to avoid the coveted 19. And probably in January, February, a lot more people started coming for intensive care and then in March, April . I also started to see a lot of long distance patients coming in and acute patients becoming a bigger part of the practice, so I think the biggest thing I want to give people is that basically what Steve Kirsh has been talking in terms of my practical experience was that, speaking personally, when I was using ivermectin, you know this is one patient's experience, so take it with a grain of salt, but this is what I saw that I was among the first 20 people I just had. using the avermectin protocol and I think at that time I was also giving some people low dose steroids per Dr.
dr syed haider discusses covid management
Bean's protocol and the second week towards the end of that batch of patients and some people were getting some colchicine, but I thought it was the main medicine. What was doing the work was the avermectin, so in that first batch of about 20 people I had two hospitalizations and one almost hospitalized, I mean the patient should have been in the hospital for hypoxia and he refused so he asked me to fix the oxygen at home, which I did. So, that was with ivermectin and you know, looking back, it was a little unexpected. I mean, you hope that patients do better and it was a very small sample, you know, and you certainly know that there are a lot of confounders and biases.
I mean some of them might have been very sick, it's just one doctor's experience, but after that you know I've treated probably close to 300 people after adding fluboxamine and with fluvoxamine added to ivermectin immediately there was a difference, so when you're in the thick of things, you know, treating patients. You're not always aware of what's happening unless you're really looking for the data and it didn't really occur to me how much of a difference there was until Steve Kirsch asked. Yo, do you know what you saw after adding fuvoxamine? And when I thought about it, I realized that there had been a hospitalization rate of 2 to 10, you know, pretty shocking before fluvoxamine and then it went down to zero for the first 200 patients and also the other thing that I saw was not it was long term, you know, patients came back complaining on day 14 and the third week that they still had symptoms, so we didn't see that happening either, if you started ivermectin fluvoxamine before the day. seven, you know, on day six or before, I didn't see any people with hospitalizations or prolonged hospitalizations, and finally, somewhere in the second of the third hundred, you know, patients taking fluboxymenevermectin, one patient ended up in the hospital, but basically I had I just started the protocol a few hours before and then I went to the hospital so I would say that doesn't really count as a major flubox failure but it was getting worse rapidly and you know I had some hypoxia so it was in the hospital for a few days. hours and you also know I couldn't tolerate the flavoxamine, so you know with ivermectin my experience has been that almost everyone can take an acute treatment and, you know, the preventive treatment of thyromectomy it's very rare that anyone has problems with ivermectin and it interacts with the only common medication that we see in clinical practice in the US, warfarin, so almost everyone can take it and you know, I mean my experience with ivermectin preventive treatment, probably at least 1500 or more patients so far have done so.
I started with that and from that, I can probably count on one hand the people who decided to stop doing it. One person had a rash on their face. One person had a rash on the palms and feet, and these are all self-limiting. You know, the problems went away after they stopped taking the medication. an older person, she was about 90 years old, and you know, very persistent, you know, give me the ivermectin, you know, we had to teach her how to use the computer to get it. you know, in the protocol, but she, when she started, she felt dizzy and she felt too dizzy and you know, and someone was old and frail, you don't want them to fall and she understood that she didn't want to keep taking it, so there was the you know, you know, about the dizziness for her and for us too and um and that's all I can think of in my head, you know, three four people who couldn't do the preventive protocol um, I just want to mention that I've had a lot of experience with higher doses of ivermectin daily, you know, before the flccc recommended in some patients increasing to 0.4 meg per gig, so we were already at that dose for many long-term patients and still for the majority of people.
It is tolerated very well with no side effects, but the incidence of side effects increases significantly with double the dose, so we are talking less than ten percent, maybe five percent, but people do have side effects. The blurred vision that has been mentioned in some of the studies is quite common and I was a little worried at first. I'm quite concerned because you look at the prescribing information and see that ivermectin can cause all kinds of inflammation in different parts of your body. eyes, so I had most of them go get eye exams, you know, who agreed and the ophthalmologists didn't really see any problems, so it was also a benign side effect that went away and was related with the dosage, you know.
A long-distance patient, you know, reduced her dose a little bit and, if she got better, decreased it a little more. The side effects went away, so people were able to name it that. The other thing I've seen is that you know when. Treating just one disease, you get to know it pretty well in terms of the side effects and you know the effects, so with fluvox, I mean, you know the side effects are certainly greater than with ivermectin and that's one of the reasons. I like that, if we don't have dx cell lab data, I would like to start with the long haulers with strange switching protocols, start them on ivermectin because it's cheap, it's super safe, almost everyone responds and the people who don't do. we can turn to medications, they have a slightly higher incidence of side effects and less chance of success, but you know we can try them later, it's still cheap and then maybe ravrock if you need it because for most people it's very expensive, no It is always. covered by insurance and even when they have insurance it's not always covered so anyway taking fluvoxamine you know the side effects of fluvoxamine that I've seen in my practice mainly nausea and you rarely know you'll see anything listed on the secundary effects.
So, one patient had a bad headache, she had bad body aches, but mostly it was stomach upset like nausea and sometimes stomach pain and these side effects, you can often, you know, moderate them, the insomnia. It's important, so, not just normal insomnia. but you feel really strange, some people feel a little distracted, they feel like you know something strange and outside of their normal sense of self and they just don't feel normal, so those are worrying side effects for some people and that's why the one patient who came in a few hours after starting hypermic and phlebovox, I mean, she actually said I can't take phobos and I feel like I feel very, very weird and um, that's what's worrying you because you know it has to do with your sense of self and your experience of reality, but again, it's very rare, you know, it doesn't happen very often and so what I'm trying to get at is with fluvoxamine, when you have a side effect, You can usually temper it with something like uh.
We're using phenergan now, myself and Dr. Antonatos text the doctor, so we've been in touch, you know, a little bit by email and here's the other doctor that Steve Kirsch convinced to try fluvoxamine at first and, so , we. We've been exchanging some ideas so you know that fenriken has some interactions with some of the other medications that we're dealing with um, but you know a lot of these interactions when you know, if you're not really familiar with using these. You know, in hospitals and clinic patients, they sound very worrying and you know they'll put people off, so you have to explain, for example, with qt prolongation if you have qt prolongation to begin with and you've had some arrhythmias or something obviously I would probably avoid something that causes qt prolongation, like mirtazapine which we sometimes use to treat insomnia caused by fluvoxamine and fuloxamine, both can theoretically know it throughout the qt interval, but very rarely You know how Dr.
Mubin said I worked in hospitals for 10 years. It's very, very rare for qt prolongation to be a problem for someone who doesn't already have it, so often, you know, in the hospitals and in the clinic, you know, on my computer, you know. when I'm prescribing you, you check for drug interactions, you get them in the hospital, you get these REM pop-ups, you know, warning, warning and you know while you're in residency, you pay a lot of attention at first. all these warnings that come up with drug interactions and then you realize they just don't make much difference in clinical practice these warnings are like case reports, you know, a handful of patients that you know in 30 years had this that you know they found that when they took these two drugs together, they developed a problem, it's actually something that individual doctors don't see and individual patients are unlikely to experience such a prolongation, and this is similar to, you know, this just reminds me of this hysteria about hydroxychloroquine at first, of course, um, with all the supposed dangerous side effects of that drug, I mean, they're just alarmist people, you know, and I have to say it's a shame for the doctors that you know that participated in that in the media, um . because it's really a safe drug, you know it's not as safe as I've ever known, but you still know the things they were talking about about arrhythmias and things like that, it's not something you see, you know and some of the side effects on the ones that were warning were things that you would see after years, you know, instead of days, you know, during acute treatment it makes sense and I also want to thank Denise TG, she's one of the great ones and she's been Ella, I think that too is your patient.
I was talking about how she connected with you yesterday too and talked about this Denise. Thank you very much also for the reference. So yes, she is here. In fact, she was one of the first this morning. Let me. Let's see if I can find her messages, she has her messages here. Now I'm going to go blind because I'm also in the middle of the discussion so something quick on my practice site so I started with that it looks like we lost dr um dr heather so here it is okay he's back sorry, nobody, so here's denise, so denise has been talking about you for a long time, so she's your fan too, somain drugs, you know, and then it was about to be data destined, you know, I threw Vanessa Night in there and I was filing things at first, I was like, you know this could work, this could work, this could work, and, um , acute infection, I think that's a good approach, you know, you're a little bit limited by the interaction, you know, with drugs. interactions if they happen and you know something that people don't realize is they will come to me and ask me do you know that ivor can interact with um ashwagandha or turmeric or do you know something that I'm taking well and I don't know, I mean I can try solve it, but it's not something we can solve easily and the more drugs we're taking, like when you're casting, you need like a super computer to figure out what they might be like.
By interacting with you, in theory it interacts, so you get to the point where you can't predict it and then you start having problems with unexpected side effects and you know that a lot of the side effects could also be a proven effect, like diarrhea. stomach pain headaches you know nausea you know a lot of these could be covered or they could be side effects so you get a little confused you know if this works it doesn't work should we go ahead and try to treat the side effects and stay with the medication and whether you benefit, and what I've been doing is in this case, what I've been doing is asking the patients, I'm sure you'll ask them too, and in fact, I'm asking them to stop taking them. things it's just not that I'm against them, actually if anyone listens to my videos they know I'm big on herbs and stuff but they ask them to stop doing it so I don't have to deal with those side effects that I can't understand and then I start taking this medication and then I can slowly go back to work on his medications.
I'm sorry, so please, yes, that's great. I'm glad you told me. I mean, one of the reasons I really wanted to come here with you is basically to learn. From your experience, you know that I feel like I should be interviewing you instead of you interviewing me. um, you know you're the teacher, I'm just a humble student, you know, I don't know much and, um, I don't consider myself. a teacher, so thank you for sharing your experience and please share it. Thank you so much. In fact, I think their ivermectin with fluvoxamine protocol is something that should be used more publicly.
Your experience has been great with this as well. So I love it, thank you so much for being here now. If you're ready, there are also some questions so we can quickly answer those questions. Okay, first of all, I'm going to look, folks. on the live side please if you have any questions put something with question marks or the letter q q q so I can see that from all the comments that are happening. I'm going to start with Teddy Teddy by saying: Dr. Heather, do you prescribe ivormectin? for prophylaxis as well, yeah, this is probably, you know, my practice has been 90 in the last four months, it's a preventive treatment and you know we can talk a little bit about the flccc um on your site when you go there and it always has. .
It's been like this: we recommend ivermectin for prophylaxis of high-risk patients, so you know this is something that when you have a group and you have similar guidelines, you know, from any type of organization, you have to err on the side of caution and don't I don't want to say which is okay, everyone in the population should be taking ivermectin, although I think and I think a lot of people have mentioned that if everyone took hyperactin, the pandemic would probably be over in a few weeks, so you know, we don't. know who is high risk, so we have a list of um, you know, ages, and we have diabetes, high blood pressure, heart and lung disease, and you know, I was saying we have a big list from the CDC of what constitutes a high risk. risk of medical problem or patient, but on the other hand, you know you have doctors who are in icus, you know that even if they are extremely healthy, they are obviously high risk because just the pressure from you, it's not the pressure like the pressure from work , but you know, the amount of cobia that they're experiencing, you know that they're exposed to is so much that they're very likely to get it if they don't take something and then you have people in overcrowded conditions.
You have people you know, one of my patients was in a high-rise building with a lot of people with Covid and his neighbors, you know if you live with a lot of people, if so, you know it depends on the country where you are. Are you in this depends on your risky behaviors. Do you wear masks and distance and avoid people and don't go out or are you everywhere all the time? Is there a large flock in your community? Know? Is there high risk? variants so all of these things come together to decide if you are high risk and you know this is my perspective and one last thing that you know that probably doesn't get a lot of play is you know there is such a large percentage. of people receive long-term coverage and we really don't know much about long-term coverage.
Do you know if it will last months or years? Know? Will it cause permanent damage to some people? So you know when they come to me and I don't make them convince me that they're high risk, you know, because ivermectin is a very safe medication and you know I'm giving them a three month supply. Ask them to come back. Ask them all these questions. I'm sure they have no problem with this and we can consider doing lab tests if we want. You know, you look at the risk-benefit ratio in medicine. What is the possibility of profit and what is the risk?
I'm going to take for that benefit and it's overwhelmingly in favor of using ivermectin if you're worried about kovid for any reason absolutely right absolutely right and um so redditors who are watching I know you have your questions you're the one who started this whole discussion too, so I'm going to address those questions in a second kevin brasda, that's a cool bean, you're saying dr. heather, you are a patient, you have said that ivamectin is 95% effective in prevention, but dr. bean said that he is. 74 effective, have you adjusted the effectiveness range with any new data? So first let me explain my part here, so that my discussion of 74 comes from studies that were done in Egypt and India.
There may be more studies that Dr. Heather has seen or her own experience as well, so the doctor has it, oh yeah, you know, Kevin, hello, he asked me the same question, you know, through my patient portal and I told them it's probably similar to what I'm going to tell you right now, certainly In my practice, what I tell people is that you know, dog, I can only really speak for my practice and I can point out some studies where it was 100 effective, you know other studies where it was much less effective, so each of these, you know, you know, the studies in each of these situations are different, there are different groups of patients, right , and they are in different countries, they are in different situations, there are different types of people, you know, there are people who are doctors. being studied in some places there is a general population, they have different living conditions, they have different socioeconomic statuses, so really knowing if something is effective will depend on all these other variables, it's not just the drug itself, so you know that you can do it if you're sitting at home you're not going anywhere you don't need to take charge you're not going to get cobia 19 well if you're sitting at home and you rarely go out, you know and In my experience, I'm taking ivermectin every two weeks, already You know, right now there are probably sixteen thousand seven hundred prescriptions for preventive vibromectin 99.9, like just a handful of them.
I told them okay, take it weekly, they wanted to take it weekly or I told them okay. you're a critical care nurse, take it weekly, um, the vast majority of them I gave it every two weeks, none of them came back greedy, um, and so in my practice, you know, I'm looking at my patient population. saying, "Okay, these people are being careful, you know, for the most part, and they're not living in crowded conditions, they're not, you know, in a place where there's a really massive outbreak of greed, you know, like that." what I'll tell people now that you know, I sent a message, you know, yesterday, probably about the, you know, just my thoughts on the flccc update, you should take it weekly and you know if you decide to take it every two weeks, because you're thinking, you know , we don't.
I really know the long-term effects of taking ivermectin for months and years. Every two weeks. You know, I'm a little worried about that. Some people approach it that way. They're a little worried about that aspect. They say which is fine, monthly definitely not very effective in the studies weekly very effective, let's split the difference every two weeks seems to be fine, get the best of both worlds, if you are in that group that wants to take it every two weeks. or even every other week. months and you end up flying, you know, so take it weekly, or you end up exposed to someone, take an extra dose, so, in some, to finish and you know, answer the question, honestly, like I told you.
Dr. Bean, before the program started, I haven't had time in the last four months to really dive into all of these studies, so I'm not the person to ask. Do you know the scientific aspect? I can tell you my experience and just my perspective. and I think it's an extremely effective drug if you continue to be cautious and I think you're right because the study I'm referring to is actually a study on health care workers, so they were exposed to greed on a daily basis and then they were they gave. those and those three days later, another dose and that's it for the whole month, so it's a very different dosage and also it's a very different environment, right, yeah, I mentioned this to Kevin in our discussion as well, you know , the dosing protocols are Everywhere you know different types of different dosing protocols, so you know you have to keep that in mind when you look at this and my experience with prophylaxis.
My protocol since early March-April has been weekly prophylaxis. I'm not yet and the reason is the science behind it so I'm still not very clear on how the ivormectin stays in the tissues after the first dose and the third dose for the entire month. These studies show yes. that, but since I'm not very clear about it, the half-life is 18 hours, so I think a week is, I would have even done it more frequently, so a week is a decent number, so I'll go to uh the uh friend from Reddit, so here you have this, then you should have your Twitter.
I say this with humility and I don't demand it, so the Twitter stereo match. We at Reddit have created this Twitter subreddit where they have the questions for you and the stereo match. Thank you very much for going to various areas on Reddit selecting the questions that you actually deleted. The post was also deleted in one of the places. Most of these questions here I felt like there were a lot, but most of these questions here are about those interactions when using it with food or not, so I'll go over them quickly and expand on them wherever I feel like you want to discuss more, so first for the metro team, fluvoxamine seems to be fine with avermectin nsc etc.
The question is for metadine plus fluvoxamine, is it there? If I have any problems, I'm going to open up the drug interaction here. I have fluovoxamine and am formatting. They say there is no interaction between medications. Based on your experience, I haven't actually used famotidine and would be interested to hear. people's experiences with this, um, but you know, I know you know, obviously, some patients come to me and say what's up with this, what's up with that, and um, I got to the point where I wanted to, ya you know, narrow it down and simplify it to something that works and it seems like you know you don't have to keep adding things if you have something that works really well, so you know dozens of medications that you could add to the protocol, at what point does it stop, you know what the that brings an additional benefit um and what could detract from it, you know it could distract you, you know, if you add something, you always have to consider the side effect interactions, um, so if I have people with you, you know In fact, for a while I was adding mantadine to see if we could make it even more effective, and then you know you get to the point where someone has a side effect and you're wondering which one is the right one, which one do I need? eliminate or which one isn't working for them, so at some point you have to say that to make it really simple, to know which one is possibly causing a side effect, how to tell the patient, okay, maybe stop this. one and you know, maximizing the dose of ivermectin, for example, you should have a simplified protocol for most people and then these secondary medications I would consider if for some reason someone can't take the main protocol medications, but I don't.
I've gotten to the point where I even looked at the motivational data, so Dr. Mubine, do you know anything about yourself? So in studies, femetrodine has shown very good results and reduces symptoms and viral load in 24 hours, I think one of the reason could be that I had prepared myself in your honor.I had prepared this long journey. Maybe you and I should talk one more time about the long haul separately and talk about what things are possible here. I had shared this with the cool beans. Well, in the long-term state it's also possible that sometimes, sorry, sometimes, antihistamines are really helpful, so Metrodean may be playing a role there.
In my own practice, I haven't used the format much, so there's actually one thing that What I haven't mentioned before is that recently you learned that one approach was to try to add amantadine to get rid of it, you know, to increase the effectiveness even more for the very small percentage of people who with ivermectin means that they still get worse. um but the other approach that we've added recently is actually supraheptidine which the flccc mentions as one of the supplemental medications and I think you know it has some antihistamine effects that has antiserotonin effects so I think that's a lot you know it's more strong and a lot you know about people who are progressing, their lungs are getting a lot worse, they're developing hypoxia, that's really, as you know, the rescue therapy that you would use, that's a beautiful point.
I will have dr free jalali. I think tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and he's also a cipro heptadine guy so thanks for mentioning that about fluvoxamine so any ideas on different dosing strategies for fluvoxamine 50 milligrams twice a day for 14 days steve kirsch, but have there been occasions for pulse dosing? or low doses or a different dose, so this is a great question because some patients are just, you know, for whatever genetic or physiological reason, whatever is going on in them and they are much more sensitive to a drug, and in that case , if someone says okay, just this is like overwhelming because of the side effects or whatever, I just feel like this is too much, um, I'll reduce it if they're willing to do it, you know, go down to a lower dose, maybe just Your body metabolizes it differently than most people, so I've had experience. with this especially for long term treatments where we'll tell people, just use the dose that works for you, you know, I've actually seen a couple of long term patients who felt like ivermectin was super super strong, especially . people who have Lyme or some kind of chronic Lyme co-infection or know that they feel extremely sensitive to any medication, they know that they have a Herxheimer-like reaction when they take something, they feel like they're suffering some kind of death. or just a horrible reaction, so some people literally take half a tablet, like 1.5 milligrams of iberomectin, and they tell me it was too much, it was too strong, so for some people, you know they can tolerate it, you know they can tolerate it. you would do I hope you can take, for example, one of my patients.
I would expect her to be able to take 12 milligrams. Her dose of 0.2 milligrams per kilogram of hers is 12 milligrams and she says that at 12 milligrams she feels like she has a depression in her chest. um and she has a long haul and um with nine milligrams she feels great you know her symptoms are gone she doesn't feel bad and with six milligrams she still has some symptoms so I said you know nine milligrams works wonders for you use nine milligrams, so it's personalized. you have to personalize everything that's definitely one way to do it, got it, thanks, thanks, uh, carolyn aaron says that when a patient is already on a different ssri, could you reduce the dose and give them flux, I mean, along with it , yeah, so I've actually done this, you know the official recommendation is not to do that if you're on an ssri, just stop it, so I've done it, I haven't done it with ssri.
What I did with ssri was tell people to just stop taking ssri. and take fluoxamine, you know, and I think it's a pretty easy switch to make when you're both doing it, you know, serotonin reuptake inhibition and fluvoxin just make sigma one activation better, so I haven't had problems with that, you know, I would. I don't expect you to know why you would basically take the place of your medication and do something else you want to covet 19 and then you can go back to your ssri, you know? So if you are taking a daily medication. ssri after 24 hours after your last dose, I would tell them to start fluboxamine and then 12 hours after the last fluvox windows, go back on their ssri.
No problem so far, but not much, I'm just talking about a handful of people I've done it to. that other people like welbutrin for example, I think it's a norepinephrine serotonin reuptake inhibitor or something, so it has a mixed mechanism of action, so for some of those drugs that are not pure ssris , I told them to do it. lower it or just try it and watch very carefully for any side effects. You know that they are not absolute contraindications. I mean, sometimes they get mixed up, so again, no problems with that. Until now I understood it.
Thank you so much. I want to quickly remind listeners here that, uh, great, it means this is based on the questions that I've been getting some of the psychiatrists and psychologists have been saying: Why are you giving them antidepressants? Do you feel like people are depressed and that's why you try to treat them like depressed people, that's not the case. In fact, there are studies that show that the fluvoxamine molecule has benefits and we realized that for depression it can be given for a couple of weeks and then the effects start to appear. but this molecule for cases of greed, especially for neurological symptoms, starts acting immediately, so if you want to see it here, it is important.
I have made this video. Sigma 1 agonism actually starts from day one and is an anti-inflammatory behavior. suppresses cytokine production. This is very similar to how, on the systemic side, it is not logical that ivermectin blocks or suppresses nuclear factor kappa b and, on the neurological side, fluvoxamine helps with sigma one agonism, so both can actually be combined. They associate and work holistically in the body, so just to update it, the mechanism is not anti-depression that is working here, that is, it is a side effect, which means in a good way that if someone needs it, it is also there. but it has an anti-inflammatory, so this reminded me that I should mention that if we were going to reduce the dose of fluvoximin, the reason is twice a day, for depression it is once a day, but the reason why is twice a day day for kovit is due to its uh you know the half life of the serum you know we think you know it's decreasing and we want to increase it again so if you were to reduce the dose you would still want to maintain it twice a day or more Even you know, so I got it, so the frequency has to be twice a day or more, but the dosage may be low.
I got it, so it's a long-hauler fluvoximent that Dr. Bean and Steve Kirsch mentioned to us for use where our mechanism can't go to the brain and the neural areas and the immunoprotected areas that may have a low level of persistence of viral presence. I just talked about it too. People with brain symptoms think they have a brain problem, right, so it's not always the case that the problem may be outside the brain but rather it manifests itself in the brain, so you know, we've known it forever and, like you, You know people with metabolic disorders. or you know liver failure or something like that, they're going to have brain dysfunction and when you're testing someone in the hospital or ICU for brain function, you know the neurologist is going to come in and say yeah, first fix their kidneys and fix their liver and fix this and fix that and fix their sodium level and then I'll evaluate if they have brain damage or whatever you know or if they'll be able to come back from this whether they're in a coma or not, so the same thing happens here, a lot of long haulers come in with brain symptoms and I tell them you have inflammation in your body, maybe in your lungs, maybe it's in your liver, wherever it is, you have inflammation and the inflammatory cytokines, you know, they can cross the blood-brain barrier, it doesn't necessarily mean that have viruses in your brain, you know it's possibly a possibility, but you see that many people get better without a medication that passes through the blood-brain. barrier many people improve brain symptoms by taking ivermectin because the problem is not in the brain, the problem is outside but is leaking into the brain and therefore it is not a viral persistence in the brain for most people , it is an inflammation in the body that causes brain symptoms and I want to add to this point that this is a very beautiful point and I hope it will be understood more and more.
It is not the virus that enters the brain. So many people sending me studies that the virus is in the brain. autopsies, autopsies, and I've argued many times that a person who actually ended up dying with this disease, his blood vascular system is in bad shape, he's in a cytokine storm, he has acute respiratory distress syndrome. in septic shock that your tissues have virus is not incredible, the virus would have crossed many barriers because those barriers would have been broken down in a healthy person, an outpatient, there is no need for the spike protein or the virus to have crossed. the blood-brain barrier is a very good point.
Thank you very much for mentioning fluovoxamine for severe cases, anecdotal cases and ICU, although some of this information is on the fluvoximin blocker, but there are some interesting stories, have you seen fluoxen with severe cases? Yes. I mean, unfortunately, I have a lot of people who are extremely sick and don't want to go to the hospital and it works. You know the protocol works. Regardless of how sick you are, it may take a little longer. You're coming later, so this is something you know I'll give you. I probably want to make a couple of points here first of all.
You know, this just reminds me of the fact that it's really unfortunate that the only way 99.99 of the people can do it. Getting a medication that works in the hospital for Covet 19 is persistently complaining of depression. You know, I first saw this in one of Steve Kirsch's articles. You know he's recommending people. You know one of his blog posts. If you have Cover 19 in the hospital, just say. I have depression and I take any SSRI, you know, and then after that, you know it's easy to, you know, jump from any SSRI to fluvoxamine specifically or even floccitin, which probably has just as good effects as fluvoxamine, so this is uh you know this, unfortunately, I get a couple of people calling me, you know, family members distraught because my husband or my mom is in the ICU or, you know, in the hospital on a ventilator and everything, can you help? , you know, and I've even tried it once with my own patient, they were my patients before and they ended up in the hospital and I called and spent like 30 minutes on the phone with the doctor, you know the hospitalist, and this was in the middle out of nowhere in the south.
Carolina, I mean, he didn't have much supervision, he could have prescribed, you know, it wasn't a big leap for him, it wasn't a big deal, but you compare that to people who are in the mass general. or they're in a giant hospital with a thousand beds and they're in this corporate system where you know they're being watched like you know and um and if I try to call these people, I mean they've never listened to me. you know about me before you know that they don't know who I am, I haven't published articles, um, so I'm not going to carry any weight with these people, that's what I try to tell people on the phone, the only thing we know.
What I have seen successful is that you yourself receive the proper education and then advocate very strongly for the patient in the hospital with extremely strong force and therefore you are the only one I have seen who has been very successful in convincing patients hospitalized. Doctors who use drugs is this intensive care nurse in Texas, her name is Laurie Jean and I mean, I don't know if she wants me to share it, but if you're interested, if you have one of these situations, contact me . and I can tell you that he's basically doing this pro bono, I mean, no, he's not taking payments, he's not doing anything, but he's spending time on the phone calling the family member, educating them enough, you know, giving them advice on how to talk with the doctor, how to do it. convince them to use fluvoxamine or ivormectin, you know, she's very good with ivermectin, um and uh, and that's why I haven't personally had this experience because I can't convince people to use it in the hospital, it's impossible to call and once the patient gets to the hospital, that's another misconception people have, oh, you're licensed in Texas, my dad's in the hospital in Texas, can you prescribe it for him?
No, you can't prescribe it, you know, the only person who can prescribe it in the hospital is the patient is the doctors who take care of him in the hospital and I think most people probably know that, but a lot of people don't call me and wait. thatI can give them a prescription, they can go to CVS and get the prescription and take it to the hospital and say, hey, the doctor prescribed this for you, give it to them, uh, it doesn't work like that and, you know, I know a couple of people you know didn't come out and they said it but they basically tried to smuggle this stuff into the hospital, because they are so convinced that it works and the hospital refused, obviously, I can't tell them to do that and the reason obviously is that there is a security issue here, I don't do it. .
I don't know everything that happens in the hospital, that's the reason I can't prescribe in a hospital. You know you have to be part of the hospital staff. You have to take care of the patient. You have to have the history in front of you. All the tests. All the other medications they are giving you know what the drug interactions are. You know that fluvoxin has serious interactions. You know, unlike ibramectin, there are often a lot of interactions, so it wouldn't be something I could prescribe, so unfortunately I haven't. um um, you know, in my experience, it works for severe cases and, unfortunately, like I said at the beginning, we get some people who are really sick, you know, who are on oxygen or they're on oxygen, you know, as outpatients because they refuse. to go to the hospital because they know they are not going to get what they need.
You got it. Thank you very much for that response. Kevin Brazda says: Dr. Heather. My friend has long coveted heart problems. Recurrent palpitations. Recurrent fatigue. Do you think it will be resolved in the long term? greed could be related to age, gender, health status, yeah, I mean, it certainly could be, you know, we still don't know enough about it and those symptoms are very common with en

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in elderly patients who are at higher risk for acute syndrome, already You know, the vast majority of the severe and long-term cases that come to me, or even moderate or mild, are people that you know from 20 to 50, from 20 to 55, and in general they are very healthy, so they are as if people Healthier people were receiving prolonged coverage and you know that it is frequently triggered by exercise.
I tell all acute patients not to exercise for 30 days. I think that's how Dr. Demillo told me it was. Tell everyone not to exercise for 30 days. Don't drink alcohol. You do not know? Drink, eat junk food. You know. So literally people will come to you and you'll ask them, "Oh, was it caused by something?" or they will tell you. It was caused by exercise. One lady all she did was go for a walk pushing a stroller up a hill for two hours and she developed a long greed and many of these patients feel perfectly normal and then you know that they do something that you know like exercising or they have like a cake of birthday and then they cover up for a long time after that so maybe they would have gotten it no matter what, but you know, that's certainly something that seems to be a trigger and so you know covid seems to affect people that you know differently, there is some data that you know that suggests that it seems to suggest that people you know affect people you know, different ages affect people with different levels of health differently, so it's a very rare disease and so yeah I think people covered for a long time are talking about getting better and you know you might have to tell people who are gym rats like don't go to the gym until you get better , you don't want to go back until you're better.
And it's probably very similar to chronic fatigue syndrome of those patients where exercise is actually a negative thing for them, it's no longer a positive thing, it's actually creating biochemical damage in the body every time they exercise, so this too It's like that. I like it, it seems like I like to talk too much. I keep talking, but I want to watch. You know, I'd like to learn more about the link between chronic fatigue and prolonged greed. Know? They are the same? Only? similar and might you know that chronic fatigue can be treated with things that we are using for a long time?
I believe you are aware of Dr. Patterson's work with the insult dx test. I would love for you to do something like that with chronic fatigue and other inflammatory diseases that you know can We got more specific anti-inflammatories for rheumatoid arthritis and Lyme disease and all these other things we understood and, uh, Dr. Heather, I think we should do another session if possible, if you have time, and we should go over the long covered work and studies I have collected so far and the possible reasons, so it seems that the long covered up is not just a pathology, it seems that it is a syndrome and then the pathologies could be mcas or it could be macrophage activation syndrome or it could be some virion of the virus sitting or it could even be the attack and flee virus where the cells that are proliferating very quickly after the viral attack those cells have open certain genes for cytokines and now they're stuck in that state and they're just replicating with those genes open and the virus goes away, but they're just being secreted, so giving steroids or giving IBM acts like things can suppress them.
I'm going to continue, we have a lot of questions here, so once again, thank you. Thank you so much from all the cool beans and predators here and from me that you are here and you add so much value that it is life-saving value. Ivormectin at high doses appears to work for loss of taste and smell. Any similar observations for fluvoxamine, uh, yeah, then. For a couple of people, taste and smell got better on Fubox, I mean, you know some people, most of the people you know, the vast majority of those who come on Long Covet, take ivermectin, get better, most of your symptoms go away or all your symptoms go away. and to the people in my practice, the people who don't get better with ivormectin, I tell them to add fluboxamine or starcluboxamine instead and see because when that works it's like flipping for me what I've seen is like flipping a switch.
I mean, it's like a light bulb goes on, it's very fast and from one symptom to no symptoms in a day or two, it's amazing, usually, um, so yeah, fluvoxamine helps with that in some patients and I think You know what I'm trying to do. I think what this brings up is that it really depends on, you know, from Dr. Patterson's point of view, you know his research, what it depends on is what the problem is, you know, you can have a clinical manifestation that is due to three different things, you know in three. different people and although it is a small loss of Taser, it is not the same and that is the problem with trying to figure out which medication will work for a long time.
Any of them could work, it depends on what inflammation is causing the inflammation and the medication addresses that. inflammation or not correct um just a quick anecdote again, not a study, no data, anecdote that one of the Cool Bean carriers approached me and I suggested that fluvoxamine had been working very well for neurological symptoms , at least it works very well in other cases too. and he took it and informed me that, hey, my tinnitus actually increased, so then he stopped the fluoxamine, maybe if he continued using it he may have or changed the dosage anyway, he stopped fluoxamine and started taking antihistamines, so that, at the point you are raising, there could be multiple pathologies that lead to inflammation that has similar symptoms in all cases, so he started taking antihistamines and started to improve very quickly, so if fluvoxamine somehow exaggerates the symptoms, then perhaps antihistamines may also be helpful.
A question from William Dr. Heather. I am concerned that ivermectin users are on the younger side 30 40 50 years old influencing the statistics at age 65, plus mortality is higher by about 15, what would you think your mortality is by age 65? Also, there are very interesting questions, so there is a patient that I have lost contact with, I think she is an older lady. She is 80 years old and I am worried that she died in the hospital. She was one of the first, you know, one of those two patients who were hospitalized in the early twenties on ivermectin alone. So I have to get there.
Find out and find her family and find out what happened. She may have made it. You know, people get better and don't call me back, so that's a possibility too, but yeah, so far there hasn't been any confirmed mortality in me. patients, so you know, maybe four, you know 350 or you know something like that, that I've treated and, in fact, I have a lot of elderly patients, you know, that are using telemedicine, they're using the computer for the first time, it seems like you know. sometimes, so it's not just young patients who come to me, but mostly elderly patients, mostly over 50 years old.
Yes, I got it, thank you very much, it is actually a very important fact, ivermectin, so I think about refresher doses of ivermectin weekly for a month after recovery, as you suggest. Dr. Hector Carvalho So Dr. Carvalho says that 100 of the long-covered patients treated with a weekly dose of fibrometin were symptom-free after an average of 36 days of treatment. That is surprising. I'm glad I didn't know that. I haven't seen it. comment before um, so I agree, you know when people, um, you know they've used me up until now as a very aggressive, you know the Agüero Chang protocol, where it's like you know it daily or twice a day or something like that, you know, five days is the test. and see if it works and then continue after that if you have an improvement. um I've seen a patient who didn't get better with the guru chains, like the test, the let's try this version and you know he would do it.
I said enough, you know, the protocol suggests okay, don't use it because it didn't show any benefit in the first week and the patient wanted to continue and I said, "Okay, you don't have any side effects, it's safe." Try it, so you suddenly had complete resolution one day in week three, you know, after taking daily ivermectin, it could have happened after taking weekly ivermectin as well because it's certainly in the tissues, you know, that's what we see in preventive studies. Some people with Lyme disease know that they are taking preventive doses weekly or even every other week and their Lyme disease goes away, so they may not need such high doses.
They may only need a weekly or biweekly dose or even monthly. You know that the dose can make a difference. It's just the people who come with a long term. They are usually so desperate that they seek out a doctor. They finally find you online and you know they don't want to wait. you know no, a lot of them don't want to use the weekly dose or something like that, so that's one point, after full recovery, a lot of people will say okay, I'll just take the weekly dose or the every other week dose. um and you know occasionally people will go back to having a long haul and that means it never completely went away um and then we'll do another round, you know, and you know some people are seeing that they never have a long haul. symptoms again after the first two weeks, you know, treatment boost, other people, you know, I had a patient, I think it stopped after two doses of vibramecten, everything completely cleared up, this is like the first patient I probably use long-term. like amazing, um and uh, and then, you know, a couple of weeks later, I had like my example: the birthday cake, I had some kind of cake or something, some junk food and um, and his long haul came back and then he did a couple more days of ivermectin and since then he hasn't contacted me in about three months, so I think the main point to make is that in the long term we don't know much about it and it's like the patient has to do it. be part of the experiment, you know they have to be willing to try different things and find out what works best for them because for some people, you know, I've seen you, you take fluvox means that in the morning you feel terrible, you take it at night . every day and you feel great and your long run disappears.
You know there are no hard and fast rules with this and probably anything in medicine that we don't have. We shouldn't have hard and fast rules because we are all so different. things will work, you know, the published guidelines are just guidelines, you really know this is a starting point and then we have to create this n equals an experiment with this patient and see what works best for him, absolutely correct and, Funnily enough, I think of a conclusion that keeps amplifying in my head while a patient is sick and covets the very early use of fibromyalgia and fluvoxamine and then over a period of six and seven days, the use of steroids these things have been helping patients notbecome long-term patients, so I think it's right.
Treatment is also very important, absolutely, yes, this is another great point: you know a lot of people come to me and want that medicine cabinet. You know, three four medications to keep in the medicine cabinet in case they are covered and I warn everyone. You know I rarely see people take this the first day. You know that when they have it in their medicine cabinet they don't take it the first day, so you have to decide for yourself. Do you know if I get sick every month or not? I almost never get sick, you know? If you're one of those people who never gets sick, at the first sign of symptoms you should assume you're covered; otherwise you are very behind, you are already behind from day one because the virus has been replicating for days at that point, so psychologically you have to prepare yourself if you are going to keep it in the medicine cabinet, you are not going to receive preventive treatment, you have to prepare for the first day's treatment, you know?
No, don't wait until it's okay, you know, a lot of people have the first symptom and come back to see me. These people who have the prescriptions in the medicine cabinet come back to me on the fifth day off. Usually, you know, they say that, oh. I got tested, it's coven, should I start treating now? I say: yes, definitely, yes, it's getting late, yes, yes, you're absolutely right and that's why I think the best way to handle this is prophylaxis first like you do and then early second aggressive treatment if it occurs. the actual disease and within that treatment the steroids abramita and sluvoximin have a very important place as prophylaxis during the treatment of long coverage and then if long coverage still occurs and there is

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I'm going to continue here with more questions, so one more question about the dosage of voxamine for the flu, so you said between 9 milligrams and 12 milligrams. Have you used higher doses as well? I think they're asking about fuboxamine, but if we want to. to know about ivermectin, yes I mean ivermectin, I'm using 0.2 milligrams per kilogram, so some of these 300 pounders are going to get a huge dose. I mean, I give like 10 pills to some people, you know, 30 milligrams to someone who's already passed. 300 pounds, so I'm just using a weight-based dose for ivermectin with fluvoxamine, the dose that has been beneficial, you know, 50 milligrams twice a day is what we use for most people and it's a great dose. because most people don't have The side effects are very, you know, most people tolerate it well in the long term.
I often start taking 50 once a day and tell them to do it for a week, if you don't get any benefit, increase to twice a day and see if that helps, so here's an interesting one. I'm at 50. I take 50 milligrams a day and have been for two weeks. It could be helping with the headaches, but it could also be increasing the sterility and brain fog, yes. I mean, at this point, I would be inclined to try something else if this were my patient, you know, instead of doubling it up, I mean, you could try doing it twice a day, but if you already have side effects once a day.
I haven't seen benefits in two weeks. I wouldn't expect to see benefits if I continued on fluoxamine longer, so this is an interesting question and not just for Fluvox. I mean, I would say this for ivamectin and steroids, this whole combination. When you have been dealing with greed for a long time. Do you see people heal completely or do you feel like you take the medications off and they recover or is there a mix, so obviously there's definitely a mix? Some people appear to be completely cured and others will stop treatment. medication and then a month later sometimes they come back and come back to me and say, okay, let's restart, you know, ivermectin, let's try a little bit, maybe add something else and often nowadays, you know after from talking to the doctor and from the bruce patterson collective type. um from doctors um the ncldx team basically you know I started pushing people, let's try moravroc with ivermectin, you know because they've had a lot of success with that um I haven't had much experience with it yet but they have and according to their experience, I think it's definitely worth a try and people who didn't get to know you 100 percent know about ivermectin alone or did it and then came back, maybe just give it a boost with rav rock. um but yeah uh some people stay well and some people stay well for a while and then they get worse again and you have to repeat it and you know what's going on in those people you know they're um it just means we did it.
We don't treat it completely and I think one of the reasons why um install dx exists is to help people realize that the pathology has not gone away yet, even if their symptoms have gone away, maybe we should continue longer until for the inflammation to disappear. What I'm seeing on the exam completely disappeared. I understood. Thank you so much. I'm going to see a couple of them, so we're over an hour. Can we ask some more questions or should we do another session? I'm fine. I mean, if you're okay, I can continue, I'm totally fine, so this is what I've been doing for a whole year, so let's do this.
There is a question and for cool beans we try not to do it. provide specific answers for specific patients we can talk in hypothetical terms because it is not advice to anyone a question here can my mother 98 98 pounds take hypomatine for systemic protection she has a pacemaker aliquot 2.5 milligrams anticoagulant metaprolol er 6850 milligrams for atrial fibrillation a through some eyes, 20 milligrams for congestive heart failure, okay, so I get a lot of questions like this, and I mean, obviously, I can say in general for someone you know, if a patient of mine had similar problems, you know, what I would normally recommend.
I think some people have a misconception because iremectin and warfarin interact, they think ivormectin is a blood thinner, it's not a blood thinner, you know, it is and it really has it. It doesn't say much about hybrimectin, more it says about warfarin, which is famous for interacting with almost everything, so the fact that I remember it interacting with warfarin is not surprising that many things do, so it just increases the levels warfarin and increases the anticoagulant rotating effect of warfarin, but it is not an anticoagulant itself and um. if anything, fuvoxamine is a little bit of an anticoagulant, you know it has some of these antiplatelet effects, but ivermectin doesn't interact with fluids, it doesn't interact with anything I saw in that patient, story, you know yes or no, someone should using it is a different story, you know, you know, like going back to this side effect of dizziness, you know if you're 90 years old and you've fallen before and multiple falls, you know, ivermectin does cause dizziness, we don't want you to break your hip, that's worse for you than probably coveting, you know, that's often the trigger that kills people in their later ages, you know, in older ages, is falling, breaking a hip, being hospitalized and getting pneumonia and You know, maybe you're covered in the hospital so you want to do everything you can to prevent someone older from falling and if there's dizziness with ivermectin, that would probably be the biggest contraindication in the elderly.
I have it. Thank you very much, says Lisa. Long distance brain fog feels like dementia even with ivamectin and steroids. Any ideas that might help, so in general, you know, my approach to long distance syndrome is this: if you don't have the results of the insult test that you know in the results of the Cell Dx test that we took. a step by step approach you know we try different things if you've found something you found online hey this might work for me I'm open to it you know generally in my practice I start with ivermectin if you can add marvrock, we tried them ravrock, you know, it depends on whether you have a resolution or not, you try one thing for a couple of weeks, if you got any benefit, you can keep it like hypermectin, for example, if you didn't get any benefit. you could stop it and try something else, so you could give ivermectin again or you could add fluvoxamine if phlebotomy doesn't work or it hurts, you know it hurts, you can try elavel or amitriptyline, you know you've had some results. some people might try colchicine, you know, maybe the cultural scene will work for you, in fact, you know, I'm glad I remembered this patient, you know it was a long haul at first.
I was telling him you know colchicine, aspirin, this and that and him. it was like not working not working is, you know, no, I feel worse and he just happened to take naproxen for some aches and pains for about three doses, like he took it for, you know, a day and a half basically and he came back and told me that all my symptoms had disappeared. It was amazing, wonderful, thank you for sharing, so now I tell people you know many times. I'll tell the people. Hey, by the way, this guy just took naproxen. You know, that's what he did.
For him, he's symptom-free after three doses and it's just amazing, so you just have to keep trying things, you have to be patient. You know, I think it's possible to cure yourself of this. Over time, most people probably will. get rid of any viral debris that's there and hopefully, you know, some people come to me and said you know, when as a teenager, a recent patient said he had post-viral fatigue for two years, it was horrible afterwards, I think It was for you. I know and then I got over it and after that experience she, now she's experiencing long term and she's like, you know, I'm not, you know, I think this can go away because I've had something like this happen to me before and it happened. and I got over it, so I think people should have hope that you can be cured and I think this is kind of one of my biggest pet peeves when people go to the doctor and tell them they're incurable, they're your case. desperate, you can't be fixed, you know, just forget it, you know, and I mean, I understand where they're coming from, they don't want to give people false hope, right, but? you know just the brain and you know even the placebo effect is so powerful if you can give people hope and really convince them you know sometimes it's not even about the drug you know where the real healing comes from it doesn't come from the molecules you know it comes from the creator of molecules, so healing comes from above, it's not always about finding the right thing, but you know some kind of grace happens and you are healed, so people have to believe that any disease can be cured.
So this is my personal belief that any disease other than you know your deathbed disease, you know that your deathbed disease can be cured, whether it is cured or not, you know that not all patients They can be cured, certainly, not everyone is willing to do everything they need to. Not everyone will discover that you know a winding path to wellness, but there is one that you know you can: the body can heal from anything, you just have to eliminate what prevents healing so that the body can heal naturally. It's not like we're healing you. You're just removing the impediment, you know, so in the long run you're stopping the inflammation that's preventing, for example, as I understand it, at least one possibility is that you're stopping the information so that your macrophages that have the viral debris can to digest. them and getting rid of them can function properly they can stop creating, you know inflammation to begin with, so it's this vicious cycle that you interrupt it, your body heals itself and then you can stop the anti-inflammatories because it's not you.
I don't have any problems anymore, he said absolutely brilliantly, thank you so much for this and again, those healthcare professionals who feel like maybe they can't help and just tell their patients, "Hey, this is just you are depressed". Or there are solutions and so far what I've seen, Dr. Heather, is that patients have been, it takes some time, a few months, but they're back to 100. I want to quickly add something here that I've been passionate about for a long time. about the long haul and what I'm seeing is the following so first is the hit and run of the virus so let's say it's a macrophage or a dendritic cell or it may be some stem cells in the bone marrow that are producing leukocytes and then As the viral load appears, the infection appears and they are in a hurry to proliferate and make copies, they open several genes and those genes are then imprinted.
This is what we say in the internal term, trained immunity and then the newer macrophages that are developing from stem cells or that are present, they are simply with those genes open, if this is the case, let's say we don't know exactly which is the problem, if this is a problem, then steroids would help because what steroids would do is that. They would provide a break to the immune system, as I was just saying, they would allow the macrophages to cleanse and heal so they would provide a break to the immune system. More cells will be producedI don't have a license there yet, hey, drive to Nevada, okay, call me on the phone, set up your care with me, I can send you a prescription, Nevada, you can transfer. to California when you come back you know it um people have to be creative and you know when your life is at stake um I don't think they're going to give you a white lie but basically you have to figure it out yourself I got it and one more addition to this, a lot of the cool beans have been reporting from the UK that they have been visiting some websites that allow Martin to come from India so that's one and secondly to my delight he was.
I'm happy with this because Dr Tina Piers, who is now on long-term cover in the UK, has also started giving ivramecten in addition to antihistamines, so it may be helpful to contact Dr Pierce and then contact luck, your influence will begin. it's increasing and more and more doctors who know it will start giving hypermectin as well so it may be helpful to connect with Dr. Pierce so thank you so much Dr. Heather I'll move on to the next one so Redditor people. I thought we wouldn't be able to go through them all, but luckily Dr. Heather has given us time.
Can you and one more clarification? Sorry, Dr. Bruce Paterson. Someone was asking what ncx is, so Dr. Bruce Peterson has been on my shows too please. just search his name or just google him dr bruce patterson he has a company called insult ex they have created a set of labs to find out what may be going on with long covet and dr yod what dr hader was talking about it's funny dr heather It's a small world doctor. I am the classmate of our medical director, Dr. Ahmed Zafran. My program is here too, so it's been working with Dr.
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, so you can just Google it. them and you can also tweet them so here you can clarify what foods, drinks to avoid while taking ivermectin for a long time so coffee, fruits, fruit juices, nuts, coffees, dairy, yes, so I think you know, I don't have a lot of information about This I mean, I don't tell people to avoid anything other than maybe junk food or something that triggers their symptoms, you know, some of these things could be, you know, people think about inflammatory things like the fruit juice, for example, I think I mentioned it to someone. maybe avoid trying to avoid fruit juice um uh because it's just a lot of sugar, you know, maybe eat the whole fruit instead, so what we're talking about is maybe having an anti-inflammatory diet because inflammation is the problem for most people.
We're trying to give him the best chance to recover, but honestly, food is probably a little lower on the list when you're on medications like ivermectin, as long as it's not, you know a lot of people come to visit us. with me long term and they have gotten to the point where they just know that they can't eat certain things because they will give them terrible symptoms, so some foods, for example dairy, have a lot of histamine and if histamine is part of their pathology, you know, it's not going to help much to have, you know, foods that you already know, strawberries or dairy, something high in histamine, um, so some of these things are particular to the patient, you know one of my long haulers , you know he had.
He had a chronic inflammatory problem and he said the only thing that worked for him was actually juicing fruit, so I tried that, you know? I told him how about, you know, green juice, and you know, maybe try something else, and you know, he said. It doesn't really work that well, so he avoided the juice, you know, at the beginning and at the beginning of the protocol and then, you know, we decided to try it, you know, so it's so that everyone is different, you know, people should be a little flexible, ya You know, and with food, I'm usually outside of this particular scenario, you know, I also tell people that everything is really particular to you, you know, you can't say that every person in the world that you know, coffee is bad for them or coffee.
It's good for them, you know, I mean, you can find studies that say anything is good for you, it seems like nowadays it's just that people are very, very different and they have to be willing to examine their own reactions to things. foods and discover what works for them. what doesn't work and hopefully I'll avoid things that don't work for you for whatever reason, he got it he. Thank you very much so uh stereo mix I'm going to skip the food related questions and go down here to um there was a question from a redditor from India so Krishna Zim from New Delhi had a question he got dengue in 2012 and since then he has had tingling pain in his extremities and body but always on one side the next day he is on the alternate side never on the same side and then in December 2020 he covered himself on the 19th and his family they also gave him a romantic hydroxy doxia and during that that illness his symptoms disappeared then they returned to his daily cycle occasionally he gets relief if he gets distracted or goes out Female 35 years old 5 tall 45 no diabetes so I'm going to understand the question here, the cyclical nature suggested a couple pendulum where the activation changes from one to the other it seems to me that maybe it is some type of migraine, maybe it is possible that of course the patient is saying that they are experiencing it, is there some mechanism that changes the symptoms from one side to the other and any solution for this, yes?
I mean, this is a fascinating scenario and I've never heard of anything like this, so I would ask you back, Dr. Mubi, and what do you think about it? Yes, I have not heard of this cyclical change on a daily basis. from one side to the other it almost looks like one side of the tissue is becoming more inflamed than the other, but there are no such barriers in the brain, so I can't figure out what this could be either, so why don't we introduce it? this question for the moment uh stevia match we'll talk a little bit more and figure out what to talk about so here's some good news we've almost gone through all the questions on reddit so dr. heather, you have a trophy for that wonderful yes.
So now I'm just going to have a few last questions from the live and then, here's Kevin Brazda, Dr. Bean, let's set up a discussion with the doctor. Try Laurie Paul Maddox, human rights issue and always, absolutely, yes, yes, this is a big problem. I mean, what do we do? You know, I think we need to honestly involve lawyers. You may know that we have some pro bono attorneys involved in this because if you have enough money, you know you can go to the judge and get a warrant. You hear about it in the media here and there, if you have enough money you can fly to a different hospital that Dr.
Corey works at that week, but if you don't know, you're lost, you know you just have to drive it yourself and absolutely it's really uh lately I've been thinking about it that we should have several lawyers now starting to sue the FDA CDC who is number one and number two uh doctor tess lori had said we need a new who In fact, I think we should trying to figure out how to start something new, just like today there is open software, music, movies, open. I think there should also be an open healthcare system and we should find out if we can create our own who and which. then it becomes so authentic and so influential at some point that it may actually be a parallel entity.
I think we're going to need a lot of resources for that, but I think now is the time to do it, so one more question. Cheryl says: Does ivermectin work on malaria? My friend, a 71-year-old woman, contracted malaria when she was a child and received no treatment. She still feels sick with malaria-like feelings after all these decades, so I don't know of any benefits of malaria. I haven't treated anyone with malaria, but I think that Ivermectin has raised its profile, so people are starting to come in who have other inflammatory conditions and just want to try it, so you know, I've mostly had Lyme patients with the Lyme disease, but you know other people who just aren't specific. inflammatory complaints, you know, aches and arthritis type things, sometimes we take over the method and get better, so if that's the case, if you can get ivermectin every week, you know, and your aches and pains go away, that's Fantastic, you know. it just means we know we're addressing the root cause in some way right right so I think these are the ones there's one more question so one more question and then um so gurav shah says undercover post 19 that I developed. idiopathic joint pain, it's been nine months now, I still have to take Allegra at 120 milligrams daily, yeah, so, this sounds like a long-acting version, you know, long-acting, it's not the most common symptom I have, in I haven't actually done it.
I've seen it before, but you know, I'm glad you can manage it and I hope there are no side effects, but it's certainly worth trying one of the other treatments to see if you can really address the root cause. Stop the information completely and stop taking medications, um, so it's just the general approach to long-term symptoms of any kind. Yes, it looks like the mast cells are active right now, so there may be something bothering the mast cells, so Dr. Heather, this is it. We are at the end, thank you very much for your presence, it is a pleasure for me, yes, I am very happy to be able to spend time with you and learn something from you and from the great beans and, in fact, from the first part of this video in the what you have given your protocol i think is gold for anyone in the world so thank you for doing that thank you for helping absolutely thank you so much for inviting me thank you so much so great beans thank you so much uh so this was a special show today please like subscribe and share and I'll see you tomorrow morning, bye for now.

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