Deepak Chopra on the Power of Meditation to Unlock Infinite Possibilities | Impact Theory

When you begin that reflective self-inquiry, ask yourself who I am, what I want, what my purpose is, why I am grateful to go into the stillness of

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, you have what the wisdom traditions have called revelation, revealed truth, now you know that That sounds very great. I would say just call it insight

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mindfulness awareness of the body awareness of the mind awareness of mental space awareness of the network of relationships awareness with that which we call the universe ultimately leads you to the awareness of awareness and when you discover that that is the nirvana Hello everyone welcome to

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today's guest is a multiple New York Times bestselling author, practicing physician and world-renowned pioneer in integrative medicine and personal transformation one of the most recognized luminaries in the field of human spirituality.

He has written an absolutely amazing book. 90 books and shows no signs of stopping, often working on several books at the same time. He is the founder of the incredibly active nonprofit Chopra Foundation, which conducts large-scale research on human well-being, and is the founder of Chopra Global A Modern. Day Health Company at the intersection of science and spirituality. He is also a clinical professor of family medicine and public health at the University of San Diego and teaches meditation around the world, including at his own meditation center, demonstrating his unprecedented reach. He has created meditation retreats with Oprah and shared the stage with the Dalai Lama and many other eminent leaders in the space.

Oprah said of him that he is a man who invites you to look deeper into your own soul, so please help me give him the Welcome to the man Time magazine named one. of the 100 best heroes and icons of the century the author of the national bestseller metahuman unleashing your

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is so good to have you thank you thank you thank you for inviting me so thank you very much for joining me, I have had the good fortune to sit in the audience when you did one of your guided meditations.

Meditation is something that completely changed my life. What I love about your story is that you took a pretty strange path to get to where you are now and I'd love to explain some of that because you started off as a pretty simple doctor, what was that like? When did you start to think there might be something more? So I took my training in internal medicine. I got board certified and then started training in something called endocrinology, which is the study of hormones, and then neuroendocrinology, which is actually the chemistry of the brain. When I was training, this was in the '70s, mid-'70s, we had a new technique.

A so-called radioimmunoassay has just been discovered. The people who actually created the technique won the Nobel Prize in Medicine. Rosalind Yellow was the scientist. I remember that chemicals called peptides could be measured in the brain for the first time and what I immediately recognized with help. from my colleagues was that brain chemistry was the key to the connection between what was happening in your inner life and what was happening in your body, these chemicals called neuropeptides neuro mean in the brain peptides, their proteins and they are actually the molecules of emotion, serotonin. dopamine oxytocin opiates people are addicted to opiates today, but you also make your own opiates and in fact once we started looking at these chemicals we realized that they were also immunomodulators that modulated the immune system and fine-tuned it. if you have a very aggressive attitude. immune system you get things like allergies to autoimmune diseases if you have a very sleepy immune system you are more prone to infections in cancer, but these peptides are neuroimmune modulators and they modulate the activity, they fine-tune the activity of the immune system, so all of a sudden I saw the connection between mind, body and spirit, but I was also intrigued by the fact that two patients who had the same illness would see the same doctor receive the same treatment and get completely different results, one could survive, another could die and in between there was a wide range of results, which led me to mind-body medicine, ultimately to integrative medicine.

When you start looking at that, what was that kind of discovery process? I know you were a child of the '60s. I know that I liked LSD how much of this shows you that there is something beyond traditional medicine and how you start to put those pieces together? Well, I took LSD when I was in medical school and twice, I wasn't even 20 at the time and it gave me the idea that our normal everyday experience or what we call reality is the hypnosis of social conditioning that actually Reality changes as your consciousness changes, so, to put it metaphorically, I caught my first glimpse of the matrix and decided I didn't want to do it.

We know what we know, but what is the source of knowledge. Okay, it's not what you know, you know what you know these days, you can look it up, Google it, so it's not important to know what anyone can find out about any topic these days, you know. I can look up how many galaxies there are in the universe or how epigenetics works or how the brain works. That's not the key to creativity. The key to creativity and higher consciousness is how do you know what you know? What is the source of knowledge? and experience What does the experience of the body know?

What does the experience of the mind know? What does experience know? It is called the color red and where that experience occurs. Many people will tell you that it is in the brain. but I can assure you that there are no colors in the brain there is no color red when you look at the color red there is no color here in the brain or if you imagine the color or if you imagine a beautiful sunset or if you imagine what your experiences are with your mother or anyone feels emotions, the brain only shows chemical activity, which is called the heart problem of consciousness, so what is the source?

Define that for us there is some kind of jump that is not understood between um, how there is a threshold event where all these atoms group together. in this thing we call human and in this thing we call human brain, but there is still an unknown moment in which we become conscious, what you are talking about no, the heart problem of consciousness is expressed simply in one sentence, how The chemicals and atoms and neurochemistry or neuroelectricity produce this experience. There is no explanation for this. You're looking at me right now. Everything that comes to your eyes are invisible photons.

There are no red waves reaching your eyes. Alright. invisible photons. They have no color. They do not have. form, they don't even have units of mass, so they are not, they don't have any dimensionality, the photons that you use, that you are exposed to right now, are giving you the experience of your own body, of me and of this room. that's all that comes to you is electrical information everything that comes to your brain is an electrical current it's called an action potential but you're experiencing this room you're experiencing your own body you're experiencing thoughts in fact your experience seeing what we call reality everyday reality believe it or not, no neuroscientist can tell you how that happens, they can observe what they call neural correlates, a correlation is not a causality, as we know if the rooster crows in the morning and the sun rises at the same time.

We don't assume that the rooster made the sun rise, but they are correlated, so your mind, your brain, and the physical world are correlated experiences in a deeper realm of existence that is not in space or time, so I want to go deeper. On that note, then, what drives you to end human suffering? a pretty good job of relieving what we call suffering that comes from an acute illness, you break your leg, you get an orthopedic surgeon to fix it, you get pneumonia, you take an antibiotic, so we've done a pretty good job of relieving we call the physicalist level. acute disease, but then there's something called chronic disease diabetes inflammation type 2 cancer heart disease autoimmune disease accelerated aging susceptibility to infections and we haven't done a good job of that because we're realizing right now that only five percent of mutations Disease-related genetics are fully penetrant, meaning they guarantee disease.

A genetic mutation is a genetic error. A good example is that Angelina Jolie had a Barakah gene and she had a mastectomy as a preventative, a double mastectomy because that gene predicts that she would have gotten breast cancer from that in the future. In the same way, new technologies are emerging, including gene editing, so even now that is possible not for cancer but for things like sickle cell anemia. You can cut and paste the gene. Talk about crunchy, yes, crunchy. You can cut a pastry gene just like you do an email. You read the barcode, delete the gene and insert the healthy one, it will affect five percent of people. 95% of the genetic mutations that cause disease are related to lifestyle, sleep, stress management and whether or not you meditate, exercise or not, maybe you do yoga or not breathing techniques the quality of your emotions nutrition personal relationships social interactions environment connection with nature influence your genetic activity we call it epigenetics so we have started to do good work there but we are not there let's say you got rid of all the chronic diseases acute diseases and illnesses humans would still suffer and the The answer is yes because unlike other species we have something that is actually quite strange it is called existential suffering we wonder why we exist we wonder why we age and we can avoid that we wonder why we age we get sick and lose our memory as we get older, Can we avoid that but we are also afraid of death?

Okay, can we prevent that? The answer is that biological death is based on a false premise: you are your biology and you are your body and your mind. Where I am going with the heart problem of consciousness is that you are not your body, you are not your mind, you are not the experience of the world, you are the consciousness in which all this experience occurs to observe a thought. To know that you are not a thought, to observe an emotion is to know that you are not the emotion, to observe the body is to know that you are not this set of sensations and perceptions.

So, who are you, what do you know? a thought, what does a perception of the color red know, does a color red exist somewhere in the physical universe or is it just an experience? I guarantee that no scientist can tell you that the color red exists as a physical entity in the universe, it is an experience in human consciousness, not in the consciousness of a bat that does not see colors but experiences the ultrasound echo, so which Is the color red for a bat? I think this is a good place to go back to your experience with LSD, yeah, so looking at Psychedelics and the

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they have on people's existential fear of dying, so I know they've done studies giving them to cancer patients. terminal and, from what I understand, has a pretty radical change in people's fear level as someone who has never used psychedelics.

What is that experience of ego dissolution like? Where does it take people? As? Is there a way for you to metaphorically explain what's happening there? Yes, when you realize that everything you thought was real is not real when you also realize. that who you think you are is not real I am not

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with this body-mind ego identity that this is a very provisional identity if I say that I am my body-mind you know that once I was a fertilized egg then I was a zygote and an embryo , a baby, a toddler, a young adult and now this and this will disappear, but when you realize that your whole name, your shape and everything you see is provisional, two things happen to some people, they immediately have the that we could only metaphorically call the dark knight of the soul they go into a deep depression because everything they thought was real is no longer real, including their own name, body and mind, some people get so scared that they have a bad trip, some People cross that threshold and discover nirvana or enlightenment and say Wow, I thought I was.

I was squeezed into the volume of a body in the span of a lifetime, but I am a timeless being that can transform into any experience, including the human experience, which is amazing, but the human experience is also the cause. existential depression, so the causes of human suffering since you mentioned it are mentioned in Eastern wisdom traditions as number one: you suffer because you don't know who you are, you get confused with your body, mind, experience number two, you cling to experiences and you hold on to them. that are evanescent and transitory and dream as if you were saying what happened with your childhood, what happened yesterday is over, what happened five minutes ago is over, what happens with these words is over for when youYou listen they don't exist so you know Wittgenstein, the German philosopher, said that we are asleep, our life is a dream, but from time to time we wake up enough to know that we are dreaming, so what do you wake up to when you cross this threshold?

You wake up to your true self, which is not mental body, but the consciousness in which that experience occurs, so clinging and clinging to a dream is the second cause of human suffering, the third is being afraid of anything that is unpleasant. , pain, abandonment, being treated by someone without respect, so you know there is an aversion to certain experiences the third cause of suffering the fourth is identifying which one is related to your ego identity and the fifth is the fear of death now everyone is connected, everyone has the same fear and they don't know it.

Who are you? This is the most important question that humans or everyone should ask themselves. Who I am? That I am? The changing experience of this body, which is a perceptual activity, am I the experience of the changing mind or the changing personality, why not? You don't have the same personality when you were a child or maybe even 10 years ago. What is the basis for this when you begin that reflective self-inquiry? Ask yourself who I am, what I want, what my purpose is, what I am grateful for. going into the stillness of meditation you have what wisdom traditions have called revelation revealed truth now you know that sounds really great I would say just call it insight you know meditation mindfulness body awareness mind awareness mind space awareness mental space awareness of the web of relationships Consciousness with what we call the universe ultimately leads you to the consciousness of consciousness and when you discover that that is nirvana, are you familiar with the term panpsychism?

Yeah, I've never heard of that before and it's a cop-out, but an interesting one. So I was going to ask if that's the case, as I understand it, psyche is basically that consciousness itself is a force almost like gravity, so it's everywhere, there's no one moment where enough atoms come together. to have enough complexity for consciousness to arise. it's really fundamental and when I was reading metahuman that's what I thought you were saying, I thought you were saying it's this thing that's always present, so if that's not what you're saying, no it's not, but I'm glad . that scientists are going in that direction, including some very great and important thinkers and luminaries in both philosophy and science, they are going in that direction what they are saying is just what you said that what we call consciousness is organized matter and that wherever there is matter, there is consciousness from the atom to the galaxy, okay, then the mind and mind go together from the atom to the galaxy, that is panpsychism, okay and it has very good adhesion, the defenders of the luminaries and the minds Important experts say that it is a great advance, because now you are not saying that consciousness is only in the brain, you are saying that it permeates the universe in the same way as gravity, atoms and electrons, but what I am saying is that in reality There are no atoms, there are no electrons, gravity and force fields are human constructs, so matter is a useful construct. going beyond the psyche towards what is called non-duality, which means that there is only consciousness, it is being modified in sensations, perceptions, images, feelings and thoughts, and we give names to what we give, we give a name to a shape, a color and a feeling, we call it a cup we call it a hand we call it the milky way we call it atoms and force fields very useful constructs otherwise you wouldn't know how to navigate everyday experience if I told you I'd meet you around the corner at 56th and Broadway you assume it's real, but we invented that notation just like we invented latitude and longitude and Greenwich Mean Time we didn't say botswana meanwhile we invented galaxies we created the body we created gravity and the force wheels with us I mean to a species of consciousness that is called human, so now my question is if that is the case and all that exists is consciousness.

Is there something behind that? For example, why has consciousness given rise to humans? Do you see it as something evolutionary? like how we got here and maybe more importantly, why we got here? I don't know if I can answer why, other than entertainment, but I can tell you what the thinking is behind it, is there something behind consciousness? Don't leave it behind, that's the basic level, that's all, yes, but that's called pure consciousness. Well, now everyday experience is modified consciousness. So right now, what you are experiencing is what we call the waking state of consciousness. What do you mean by that, the awareness of that?

I am conscious, no, the consciousness of experiencing a physical body and a physical world with your eyes open is called a waking state of consciousness, okay, so consciousness changes every time you open your eyes to this experience and call it the physical world. . now if you close your eyes you have another state of consciousness where you don't actually experience the physical world, you experience sensations, images, thoughts, emotions, stories, it's like a dream, as soon as you close your eyes you are experiencing, you could Call it daydreaming. but there is no difference between a dream and what you dream at night, the physical world has disappeared, there is only a mental world, then you go deeper into the night, even the mental world disappears in what we call deep sleep, now that is intelligence higher, by the way. because in deep sleep there is unconscious processing, there is creativity, correlations are created, toxins are eliminated, your memories are completely restored and consolidated, so in deep sleep, even if there is no physical or mental experience. world is a very intelligent and highly correlated state in which unconscious processing occurs, memories are consolidated, imagination is refined, etc., even if you have no conscious experience, so think of these three states metaphorically as if you thought that the Water turns to ice like the physical world.

Okay, water like fluid water, dream water like steam, even more dreamy, fluctuating, ambiguous, contradictory and difficult to understand, but if you want a little further than that, I'm speaking metaphorically, you would end up with what is called the void. Quantum, which is the fundamental basis of existence according to science, is fine, but you can do it subjectively, you can go from the physical world to the dream world, to the dream world and beyond to what is called fundamental consciousness, which is the source of all knowledge, all experience in the wisdom traditions is it is called undifferentiated consciousness how is that different from nonduality is non-dual okay are all ways of knowing all knowers and all things known is the basis fundamental of the existence of the total universe okay, so nonduality is, to put it very simplistically, that it exists is not a subject object, it is just one thing, I guess you would say it is pure consciousness, the subject-object division is An artificial reality is a totality, it includes all subjects, all objects and all ways of knowing to which we have access is a human way. about knowing you know in my book metahuman I talk about the butterfly the painted lady who smells the world through her antenna okay taste the world through her feet sees the world with 30,000 lenses that move like a kaleidoscope okay here is the world through its wings what is reality for that small species?

Some insects see the world in 360 degrees, okay because they have what we call complex eyes with multiple lenses. You can only see within a certain range, but there are insects that can see in 360 degrees. So what is the reality? That? We call reality what current science calls reality comes under the title of naive realism. Einstein was a naive realist and I don't mean that in a derogatory way, it's a word in the science of philosophy. Naive realism means that the physical world exists exactly. as perceived by the five human senses, obviously that is not true, other species experience the world through different modes of sensory perception.

The second aspect of naïve realism is that the physical world as perceived by the five human senses would exist even if no one was observing it. Well, how do you prove that? First of all, it is naive because we know that the world is more than what the five human senses perceive, so this leads us to a solution to the heart problem of consciousness, which is to get rid of the idea that the world is physical, what we call the physical world, even your physical body is a perceptual activity, and that perceptual activity for you and me is a human perceptual activity through human consciousness, not through bad consciousness, not through from the consciousness of mosquitoes, not through the consciousness of plants, which would fit. with panpsychism, but non-dualism says to go beyond that there is just one consciousness that is differentiating, you know, undifferentiated consciousness differentiates into these different species of consciousness that form a matrix of conscious beings that collectively project this universe .

Now I know you said you can't answer the question why, but do you ever contemplate why, for example, why would we go into all these manifestations, why would they have such differences? I think that if you say that consciousness is fundamental, then it must have a desire and the desire must be I need to experience myself and consciousness being undifferentiated, without time, without space, without limits, I can only know itself through consciousness. experience, so it modulates into these almost

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different varieties of experience and we call it the universe, a verse, a song, but in that consciousness, let's reconstruct this now.

Um, you do some really interesting personal practices, so I get it, this is all an illusion, but you do monastic retreats, you shave your head, you shave your eyebrows, you do a week of stuff, yeah, so explain to me what the

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. That's when you suddenly start to feel comfortable questioning your usual certainties. If I ask you what this is, you would say it's a cup. Well, if you were a baby you wouldn't know that this is a cup. This is a shape. This is a color. this is a form this is a sensation this is a taste and it is noise the rest is a story it is a human story that we create just as we create money or Wall Street or nation states or colonial empires and we take it as a reality so but When you have time to be still, question your usual certainties, you will realize that in reality we know nothing, nothing, everything we know is made up, it is a human construct and once we are embedded in that human concept, we call it Actually, we don't question what.

It is the source of this experience, so taking retreats, practicing full awareness of the body, the mind, the mental space, the network of relationships, the mystery of existence, slowly takes you to the depths of your true self, which is the orchestrator of everyday experience what is the importance of silence as rumi said the language of god is silence everything else is a bad translation so it is listening to the subconscious so for example part of the reason Why meditation has been so powerful for me is and I understand what you're saying about the correlation, but like you said, it's very strongly correlated, so breathing from my diaphragm being quiet takes me out of the sympathetic nervous system and makes me leads to the parasympathetic, which allows me to reduce my stress.

You've done a lot of research into this, which is really fascinating and creates a silence in my mind to be able to access the subconscious while I'm awake, which has been very powerful, it makes me feel much more creative. I'm getting remote connections that I wouldn't otherwise have in my mind, so it's been very advantageous. Same experience for you with silence or is there something I'm missing? Not all of that is very important because the moment you start going in the direction of pure consciousness, you also go in the direction of homeostasis, which is self-regulation. in the direction of healing, you activate the parasympathetic nervous system, tell me about some of the science that's out there that your research has validated because it's pretty impressive.

We had uh we tried people who were on a week long retreat, we called it. this spirit reduction, which is a nice name, and at the end of the week and before the week we tested them for genetic activity and inflammation and many other things, we found that the genes that cause self-regulation and healing increased about 17 times with respect to the initial value. The genes that cause inflammation, which is the common background of chronic diseases, and chronic inflammation are the genes that cause chronic inflammation, lowered the level of the enzyme telomerase, which influences how we age at a genetic level.

Telomere length increased significantly in some cases. 40 now All of this can be explained through what we call epigenetics and it is a revolution and many people have replicated these findings now. Our study was done in collaboration with scientists from Duke, Harvard, UCSF, UCSD, Scripps, etc., but others are replicating the findings. similar data, if notexactly identical, so this is a big revolution now for people who don't know epigenetics. Can you give them a quick breakdown? Yes, you are born with 25,000 genes from your parents, you also have between 2 and 20 million. bacterial genes in your gut these bacterial genes are called the microbiome human genes are the genes that you have they interact with each other to produce all the metabolites in your body and they produce what you call a biological organism and it maintains your health epigenetics says that experience daily influences the activity of your jeans, so you are born with a deck of cards, but now you know how to learn to play the deck of cards so you can win the game of life if you want to use that metaphor, so genetic activity is influenced by the things I mentioned sleep stress management exercise yoga breathing pranayama introspection conscious awareness emotions nutrition connection with nature we can change our genetic activities that ability to change the activity of genes you cannot change the cards you were dealt but you can change their activity, but you can also change your microbiome by changing your diet, so you can change a lot of your gene, not just the expression, but also the genetic information in your body.

You can change the microbiome of the entire genetic population by changing your diet and lifestyle. you can change the expression of your genes, that's epigenetics, epi means up and epigenetics, there's a protein sheath on top of your genes that responds to every experience you have, mental, physical, perceptual, emotional, everything. right now, tell us some of the things you do, from going around with the begging bowl to daily yoga, like giving us some prescriptive things to win in the game of life. Okay, walking around with the begging bowl and all that was just to experiment myself without my identity deepak chopra you shave your eyebrows you walk with a begging bull among other beggars um and you were doing this in south korea right, yeah, in korea, yeah, and you uh no, sorry in Thailand, in the north of Thailand, but there are monasteries in South Korea likes that too, so it takes you to who am I without my PR.

Who am I without this identity? That's the purpose of some of these retreats, but of course I take a week of silence from time to time and also once a year. This is what I do every day I start the day with four questions Who am I What do I want Who wants to know what my purpose is and what I'm grateful for Then I go into a meditation for about two hours very early in life, which is by going to the stillness now you answer those questions or that's what meditation is for that's what you live most the questions consciousness leads you to the answers because consciousness is infinite and there are infinite correlations you don't have to worry about the answers you know it's something ancient, ask and you will receive the unexamined life, it is not worth living, so just practice that every day, then I do about an hour and a half to two hours of stillness meditation, it includes conscious awareness of the body, mind and all that.

I do yoga, so it takes me about three hours to do my morning routine. I don't normally start my day until 11. Today is an exception for you, thank you, and then I don't normally work after five except when I'm giving. a talk or on tour or doing media, but usually from eleven to five and on the weekends I write and reflect and enjoy my life, so what do you do if you're working from 11 to five, one, what's work and then two, when? I'm enjoying your life, what does that look like when I'm in New York? I walk the streets and taste, smell and experience the colors and flavors of each country walking down Broadway.

I can go through the city of Korea, the city of India, the city of China, it's a little bit. little italy little spain little portugal and I savor the sensuality of the experience and spend a lot of time doing that at work. I don't really have any work right now other than writing books and giving speeches, that's how I learn myself, you know. I am whatever I'm struggling with and trying to figure out, I write it down and then, you know, if I see some clarity, I post it, that's work, but I don't consider it work, I consider it play.

I said you don't think about getting old anymore. You think that following that entire line of research is a mistake. What did you mean by that? No, no, I don't think about getting old. I am 73 years old. My next chapter is death. I know, I think about aging, I'm not fooled by the construct, it's okay, because I don't believe that the fact that consciousness is infinite and formless is subject to birth or death, this is a vacation we are having in the planet Earth right now and it could be too. Well, enjoy it, but death is not the end of consciousness, it is the end of a certain story in consciousness, a certain interpretation of perceptions, images, feelings and thoughts, and the story is, of course, the conditioned mind. .

As soon as you are born, you say "oh, you." you are an indian you are a man you come from a rich or poor family this is your religion and now you are deluded from your true self into this provisional identity so no it's not that I don't think about it, I wonder what is beyond my provisional identity and I dwell in that and that has a very interesting result which is the result in every spiritual tradition, there are only three things that happen by the way in a religious or traditional experience, one is transcendence, you know that you are not an entity in space and time, that your true self is formless, infinite, unlimited, borderless, free consciousness, number one, number two, has the emergence of what is generally known as platonic truths, goodness, beauty, harmony, love, compassion , joy, equanimity and number three, loss of fear. of death there is nothing more important than having those three experiences and they have been part of every wisdom tradition for thousands of years tell me about love.

It's interesting for someone who started with neurochemistry and could probably give me a very detailed breakdown of neurochemicals. involved with love, of course, oxytocin and serotonin, but those are models again, they are constructs. Love is not a feeling. Love is not an emotion. Love is the ultimate truth at the heart of creation, which is the consciousness of unity, a consciousness that is differentiated into infinite modes of experience. noise infinite ways of knowing infinite known phenomena all generated within oneself like when you were just a fertilized egg you were a staggered cell stem cell pluripotent cell became eyes became nose became nails became heart became brain like this that one cell differentiated into all these different cells, each with its own modality of experience, thus, the one mind, the one consciousness is differentiated into what we call the universe with each species of consciousness knowing the universe in its own unique way because, Ultimately, there is no universe, it is another construction.

When you are meditating, do you see images? So love, love is the supreme truth, but what is that? Help me differentiate between consciousness as a kind of floor and love as the floor, are they one and the same as pure love, pure consciousness? knowing that pure creativity is the same interesting because I think and I look, I get it, it's me trapped in a kind of human experience, but I think of love as a molecule of emotion, I consider it an experience, it's difficult for me. To understand it, it is the source of those molecules of good, the molecules of emotion are human constructs, but it is the source of the feeling that you have, so I think about my mother right now, who is no longer here, and as soon as I think about the word mother I see his image and it is not in my brain, there is only chemistry in my brain, the image is in my consciousness as soon as I think of it, in fact I can hear his voice, there is no sound in my brain, but I can hear his voice in my conscience.

As soon as I think about her I feel an emotion that maybe there is oxytocin in my brain but I am not experiencing oxytocin. I feel this immense emotion of joy just thinking about her. I can even smell her skin when she was a baby. Where did all this come from just thinking about the word mother? Well, the word mother in pure consciousness created this whole gestalt of experiences. I call this qualia entanglement rather than quantum entanglement. Qualia means quality of experience sensations images perceptions feelings thoughts ultimately, that's all there is qualia or qualities of experience we raify them, we objectify them and we call them molecules, what is your mom like?

She was the most incredible storyteller and every day she would tell us a magnificent story before we went to bed, but she would stop at what is called a cliffhanger and then she would say tomorrow I want you to finish this story for me make sure it is a love story with a happy ending that's interesting and that's what influenced my whole life I decided that all stories are provisional and the best stories are love stories That's really interesting is it something that you continued with your children or is it something that you didn't, no, I continued it with my kids, it sure is interesting, do you think that brings awareness to storytelling in itself or is it more powerful because it prepares you to focus on something beautiful, it actually does all of the above, you know, humans We are different in the sense that we are storytellers, so until about 30 or 40,000 years ago, when we had rudimentary language, there were eight different types of humans, some maybe more.

We are homo sapiens, which means the wise ones, we gave ourselves that name, but there are homo erectus, homophorous hormonal Neanderthals over and over again, they all had a rudimentary language for danger calls, mating calls, uh, food, but then we created a language to tell stories and we decimate each other species because with stories we create money we create empires we create colonial states we create Wall Street we create technology we create cyber piracy and any other mechanized debt all of this is the result of our ability to take raw experience, which are perceptions, and create a story out of it, once you realize that, you also realize that all stories are provisional, you are not your stories, you are the author of the stories and that includes all stories, including the story that you are a biological organism in a space theater. time and causality and this is real that is a story why it is so important to tell yourself a story about gratitude I know that you tell people to focus on that gratitude opens the door to abundance consciousness when I feel grateful for what I already have feel fulfilled and joyful and if you have gratitude you cannot experience hostility at the same time.

What do you think is the future of medicine? I believe that the future of medicine is self-regulation. What do you mean by meditation, yoga, and practices that stimulate the Las Vegas nerve and create mind-body coordination, so meditation, yoga, tai chi chi gong, martial arts, you know how regulate the mind and body as a single unit, but in addition to that, we are artificial intelligence and the most amazing technology that can enhance that experience of self. -regulation, there is already data that you can help children with autism through virtual reality by changing their facial expressions and giving them information about what emotional integrity could be or you can change the image that an anorexic person has when they look at themselves a mirror or you.

You can get rid of a phobia through virtual reality or burns if someone has burns, your ex creates an environment where they experience cold, you are in the snow, etc., during the entire process of virtual reality, it is more effective than any treatment for burns, so I see we create more excursions. in ai I already have an ai version of myself that I talk to so I can continue what I'm doing after I die and then I'm also very involved in VR and immersive VR experiences because I think we're already in a virtual reality and we can modify it by extending virtual reality, so I think the future of medicine is the most amazing technology with the most amazing understanding of consciousness.

That is incredible. Where can people find your huge library of books? I think it's better to go to Deepak Chopra. .com or just go online and you can find my library. I have a library called chopra library and if you want to find it it is also called i s h a r online.org and this is the most complete library on everything that has to do with integrative studies or integration. integrative medicine or cultures, i would say that there is nothing like this, it is the wikipedia of integrative medicine, it is called the chopra library, it doesn't just have my work, it has the work of everyone in the field of integrative studies, whether they are scientists, philosophers, humanitarians. or just people like me who shoot the breeze, what impact do you want to have on the world?

I just want people to say there was a guy who left now, let's pick up where he left off and see how we can continue this exploration properly. You know that the journey has no end the point of arrival is always now I like it that's okay guys, it's a vast world that this man creates I won't even say that he inhabits what hehe creates and has written on so many topics and has expanded this notion of nonduality to so many people and really helped touch countless lives and make people think in new ways. You can think of it as a human dose of LSD, so I highly recommend you guys check it out to change your consciousness, um and yeah.

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