Cheney Goes ‘Straight To The Heart Of The Matter’ On The Case Against TrumpJan 02, 2022
i just want to reset this conversation with a little bit of liz
cheneyin her own words mr meadow's testimony will address another key question before this donald
trumpcommittee through action or inaction sought to corruptly obstruct or impede the proceedings congressional officials to count the election votes we know that for 187 minutes president
trumprefused to act and refused to act when required his action was essential and bound by his duty bound by his oath in fact various members of the press various Members of this corps, a member of the President's own family, all urged the President to take action because they understood that the President of the United States had a responsibility to stop the mob.
Despite this, hours passed without the president taking any action. bring you and i want to read this analysis of the specific language that liz
cheneyuses in the washington post of our friend aaron blake quotes ca The usual observer may have missed it, but what Cheney was doing here was pointing to a specific criminal statute , an 18 felony, US Code 1512, which she suggests Donald Trump may have violated. Cheney's comment is consistent with the language of the statute. official proceeding or attempts to do so shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 20 years or both that law defines an official proceeding as a congressional proceeding your thoughts liz cheney went
matterit was me I think I was a bit surprised by nicole, it took my breath away that he didn't send a message, he simply indicated that he expects the committee on January 6th to send a criminal reference on the former president of the United States to the justice department at the end of these proceedings right now we are talking about contempt charges with witnesses refusing to testify liz cheney stated that she believes they will have evidence to make this referral ask the doj to prosecute the former president 1512 is an obstruction statute similarly evidence from the What she is talking about could suggest a conspiracy to interfere with the counting of votes a conspiracy to interfere with the function government support seems like this committee is going to do the opposite of what bob mueller did you will remember mueller in his report infamously said he was restricted he couldn't bring charges against a sitting president so he was writing a spreadsheet route to congress sounds like congress will return the favor and refer the charges to the justice department sometime next year pete strzok your thoughts no i think joyce is absolutely right i mean look what i think we are seeing is that we are beginning to appreciate that Despite all the evidence that we all know all the videos that we have watched over and over again in the allegations that we have read, there is still a wealth of information out there. on that we don't know and they're all indications that this hidden information is particularly damning, I mean that's what worries me the most about these accusations about the use of the signal, it was clear that Mark's texting ability Meadows was working fine, but yet a member of Congress said you know what I have to tell you.
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cheney goes straight to the heart of the matter on the case against trump...
I don't even want to put that in plain text, go to the signal and why that
matters is for a couple of reasons. The first is this. the kind of thing that spies and terrorists and criminals use to hide their activities from law enforcement and prosecutors and it demonstrates a state of mind that people understood that whatever they wanted to say was potentially so bad that they wanted to hide it and then the second thing is that they were coordinating this activity, they had set up signal accounts ahead of time, they knew each other's accounts ahead of time, so it wasn't just a sudden action, this was a group of people who premeditatedly sat down and they engaged in covert communications, all in the context of trying to overthrow the certification of a legitimately elected president pete i i trying to balance two things in my head hillary clinton gave the benghazi committee emails that revealed she used a personal email um and that was soundly vetted people have their opinions they are what they are mark meadows the head of acting cabinet the day his boss donald trump was trying to overthrow the will of the people he was signaling why isn't he in a criminal investigation by the fbi well that's a big question and i don't know if he isn't , I mean there's certainly a question here about whether the presidential records law applies to not only the president but the president's immediately immediate staff whether marking meadows is in violation of that whether all these signal communications and other texts that he has yes in fact, he turned them over to the United States archivist as required by law, but you know there's a lot of irony in Mark Prados, who sat on the House Judiciary committee, who led the charge on whether Hillary Clinton didn't comply or not. with the law and what she was doing with his emails, note that she voluntarily gave to the state department that he himself was affirmatively taking steps to conceal his communications affirmatively was taking active steps to conceal his communications in the conduct of potentially the most egregious affront to our constitutional system of government that I think any of us can imagine, so I wouldn't be.
What is Mark Meadows up against from a research standpoint? d the violation of obstructing an official proceeding should not mark meadows be under investigation for dealing with things that could be as sensitive as the vice president's moves the president's conduct the election nullification we have no evidence george terwilliger is a real lawyer yes Mark Meadows he had handed over all his signal communications to the national archives. I have a feeling we would know. These are all very good questions. You and Nicole have just made a brilliant
casefor why the january 6th committee has the right to hear testimony from Mark Meadows there are many unanswered questions Meadows is the best and perhaps the only place to go for answers, that's one Of the important factors that the Department of Justice will look at in evaluating your cooperation and that brings us to the clear point that the committee is referring to justice when they ask for contempt proceedings, they say that Meadows has already conceded, as he has to say, that These are matters that are outside the scope of the work of the executive branch, he is not only conspiring in tune, it is not part of the work of the presidency, Prados, he did not treat it as if it were him, he used private communications, he went to point out, the great irony is there and increasingly there should be pressure on the justice department to treat this
caseas a case that has serious procedural merit, but the best outcome here would be that Mea dows will change his mind a second time. to jackie alemany there is a history of liz cheney failing to shield her disdain for a list of jim jordan jackets jim jordan and liz cheney both pushed to the headlines in the same news cycle once again um this is reported in the new york times about Liz Cheney's approach to her behind-the-scenes committee work, Ms.
Chaney has been known to draft her own comments before hearings and does her own preparatory work on the voluminous documents the committee obtained that she also lobbied to gather a team of former intelligence analysts and law enforcement specialists on the committee's staff, some of them Republicans, a move that bolstered the committee's bipartisan bona fides that could include Denver Riggleman, who appeared on this show multiple times, but one of them in that kind of voluminous documents the committee obtained one of them between them which is where they extracted the text that they decided to read um in their time this week in the committee and in the rules committee hearings and jim jordan just confirmed that part of one of those who is on the receiving end or the forwarding end of one of those communications with Mark Meadows, is saying that, um, something about which is forwarded i don't know what the point of that is but what is the meaning of kind of the the output that liz cheney did this week now resulted in some confessional behavior from people like jim jordan well i think there are two things here nicole one that makes it seem like it's more powerful coming from a fellow republican, liz cheney, reading these text messages out loud and letting a bunch of her colleagues know, but secondly, it also shows how much progress the committee has made and that's just what we know publicly that they know a lot more than they've already collected from their 300 interviews and people who have cooperated with subpoenas or have come voluntarily, but I think they'll know in the next year some of the questions that everyone We have been looking for answers.
It's going to be um cleared up we're going to find out what other legislators um were involved in Meadows' efforts to overturn the election results who were the legislators who were the conduits to Meadows and the White House in terms of propagation and propagating some of this misinformation from things like that 38 page powerpoint that outlined various proposals to delay certification or nullify the results um to italy gate which was another kind of cr weird conspiracy theory that uh ran uh various republican congressmen were trying to spread and help to gain some traction and get the dojum to investigate as well as we had found out from the senate judiciary report uh but what these text messages also show is the extent to which the republicans were aware of the efforts and in communications with the white house and that is getting the committee closer to answering perhaps the most important question, which is what was he doing The president was hearing on January 6, who was he communicating with and what was his response since the violence was underway
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