Best & Worst Airsoft Gear - NSRT Ep.154Jun 06, 2021
154 welcome to thunderdome i don't know why this is thunderdome but welcome to our last episode as you can see even though it's 2021 we're still dealing with the uh well they have greed cushions and, therefore, we are not only social. distance but us and the crew until we started filming this have been wearing masks so i think we can take them off for now so you can understand what the heck we are saying can you yes if you are not familiar with how not? the roundtable works is a show where me and george answer your
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Yeah that was fun yeah for a while we were pulling I think we found some good ones but yeah that was a long time ago yeah it's also fun to go back to the old questions and sort of read. the context they were written in at the time, like what products were out there or do you know the style of the players at the time, but without further ado let's jump right into the questions, oh george would you like to get started? I looked at you like you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. i was looking away so this is from the gray wolf from airsoft huh i love my tavora especially for cqb but my question is why are ball pubs not that common in the field i think the compact size would give it more of an advantage, that's a good question and probably pretty easy to answer so i'll answer my most people probably think they're ugly. hard to beat but it has a good point to it and with that longer inner barrel you can make you can make a really compact rifle shoot very very far that's true like an august accuracy is really good if you write boring that's true that it's the version three
gearbox i i will say out of all the bullpups i think we've ever used in airsoft the best reloading system has been the flavor uh like in terms of being able to release the magazine efficiently and not just the looks department but I would say a lot like you said the ergonomics are so different from what is standard that a lot of people don't want to take the time to have to relearn how to use the battle rifle just to use something unique , couple who know the difficulty of reloading huh which is funny because bullpup is supposed to be easier to reload but I haven't found that to be true no yeah I haven't but I mean maybe , as I said, I think it's a bit because it looks good. um and then maybe just because of popularity it's like it's not the cool thing you know i guess so ok ok so let's see the first of the first uh bullpup for airsoft famas yeah trash fire I mean, there was only one reason he was alone. the only reason why the japanese made fame as their first right was because of metal
gearsolid, it was more or less at the same time when the original metal gear solid came out, that's why it was the usb so or the hk socom and how those were the guns people built first for tokyo marie l i like the aeg versions they used a single magazine compared to an m4 and therefore required specialized magazines and then the next bullpup came out i guess it was the aug which also used single mags yes and then you could argue that the p90 is some kind of bullpup that uses single mags and none of them are really conducive to filling out an existing arsenal when you have everything when you already have say an m4 or something that takes a mag from m4 style now all of a sudden you have to buy new mags so I think maybe that's why they're not as popular that's discounting of course the big advantage you mentioned about length vs length d from the cannon, yeah, like you could clear doors and rooms with a bullpup and still have the range. be more than effective in the open especially like you said with the aug where you have the ability to bore it down and you have range for days a compact aug basically i think it can have the same internal barrel as an AK-47 which is cool internal barrel length like 450, you know, millimeter, 450-millimeter range, um, I mean, maybe I think another thing that might make it difficult is because you mentioned that magazines are kind of proprietary because all the magazine development for mid caps been on m4s and maybe some ak mags might like to wear an old school style mid cap for an august is like probably not i mean i dont know in my head but probably not as much as an m4, that's true, okay? i have the f-2000 so the f-2000 comes out and they are like look we have m4 mags yeah and this horrible gun isn't horrible sorry if you like f-2000s they are great but i mean like the only ball pub the only ball pub i think at this point maybe i could like the taste is quite appealing the the new kel-tec rdb looks great but i haven't used it yet i don't know the ergonomics i think august for me it was always great it's just I don't know I never wanted to build one but maybe I should I don't know I think based on kind of initial exposure I had to the rdb and you know we're just playing with it I'll say it's probably one of the best bullpup rigs currently available or will ever be available at the time of this shoot um and since it uses ak mags i think it has the ability to use correct ak mags mason i know what i'm talking about no i don't suppose so we dont have unique mags i guess not anyway it looks cool what e ok let's move on to the next question ok thanks that's a good question what does the rdb m4 use uh i knew yes i was actually about to say it. build those ak bullpups like from the ghk kits oh yeah or they did the bullpup conversion like a scar yeah it looks nice yeah pretty gross ok this is from I'm not going to say your name because it's not appropriate of course , I would take this one, this is from cms, if you know you know, the question is why is there something so drastic? difference between airsoft game in america and europe this is going to be hard because none of us have actually played in europe but based on what we have seen i mean we didn't play in japan but we witnessed what the game is like in Japan outside of the US you know it's hard, to be honest with you I'd like to say Europe is drama free when it comes to video games but that's probably not true so I think maybe Maybe that's a really good question, maybe it's just our conflicting personalities getting mixed up more, maybe I don't know so I think it's ok so I've thought about this before and no and no because I read the question, but I've thought about this before because I was interested in liking burgers and I think for me it comes down to two things, it comes down to budget and availability.
Europe has traditionally had much higher import costs to get airsoft into the country, which means players have to spend a lot more money to get into the game. and higher cost I think narrows the player base down to those who really want to get it right. It's not so cheap that it's a disposable hobby. Proper, dedicated airsoft players generally play harder, play more fairly, compared to, compared to something like the feeling you get when you play here, and I think the second reason is access to locations because much of europe that airsoft games was involved in world war 2 there are a lot of old airbases and battlefields and things that can be used to play airsoft so dip a million right then get into those fields that really get you into the game in the w ay maybe a plywood inside field won't do that with that being said we are seeing a lot more cqb style of inside play like speed qb type things in like france and yeah and other countries where it's gaining popularity and I think it's probably due to American influence and social media but I would say those are maybe the two main drivers for me liking the difference because You know that the United States has easier access to airsoft guns, since it's cheaper, you get a lot of younger players, and a lot, maybe less hardcore players playing. because they can afford it and because you can go to your local store you know in your field if you have one and play a weekend you don't have to you don't have to spend as much time being in the game and I think it generates plus we are you know hip-hop american culture and being cool i think it helps a lot i think i think a lot of the answers you say are very good i mean i think i mean me i think we can agree on this.
We've traveled around us for the most part I think they're a different state like West Coast vs East Coast vs South Midwest you know Texas oh these players have very different personalities in the way they they act, yeah, you know. like players in texas would act very differently than people in new york or even california or you know from my experience um who would you say who is okay so what state have we been in that had the most honest players new york was going to let's say bad blood always seemed to be new york yeah but you know i have a reason bad blood is the only place i played in new york it was because of bad blood and the reason is because it's completely automatic like you that's what i got I mean realistically that's why there really isn't a lot of issues with regards to hitting people because it's fully automatic and not just because it's a great game so it's just bb fest that's true so I think that's it a reason but also you kind of don't see a lot of it i really didn't see a lot of ego clashing in those kind of games yeah too much yeah no we're yeah we're probably the most honest for sure um, less honest, I don't want, what i mean at least i just pray california so uh yeah less honest.
I would say california yeah I mean I'm just being honest not so much in cqb but outdoors probably yeah I mean I just based it on all the cheater videos where they always filmed you know yeah well, usually is usually. california is usually california or what is that i forgot that was georgia or florida they have that indoor game where there are a bunch of similar videos with people making fun of the players i think its florida i dont know what it is is california us sucks a bunch of hit shruggers ok you wanna ask another question i mean whats really fun is maybe one episode we can literally roast every region because i have some stories that are good about every region i just dont want to get into he right now we all know the m most honest airsoft players are from canada yeah ok i dont know or at least the most important combat combative or combat ff uh how old is he too old to start airsoft probably I was never going to say no I don't think any age is too old well I mean I would say it's probably too old if you go out and get hurt while playing idly you know m Crazy kung fu moves, but if you go out and hurt yourself, you might want yourself.
I know take it easy. You know, provide cover fire and don't try to make a ham sandwich, but I don't think I'm really too old to start. I think there is too young. Yes, I think there is too young. I think the only thing that would maybe benefit younger airsofters is to have younger airsoft knights and I think that can only be in cqb arenas right? I think everything should be a gem with a two or, so it's really missing. it was a thing about japan i noticed a much younger audience in some places and it's probably not a problem because it's a gem a lot more women too which was cool yeah you know i think i think the gem thing probably could solve that problem but you know I think having it I think having aged brackets if it's Airsoft ever gets big enough in the US can really help um you don't know anything wrong with playing with your kid, sure um but you know within reason uh yeah i mean obviously there are exceptions to the rule like you know i could say as a general rule in short you know 12 is a little young you know 11 12 is a bit young to start playing southern air but there are exceptions to the rule let's not say i'm saying if you're under 12 you shouldn't play airsoft i'm just saying for most arenas that's a bityoung and, if we had brackets where you could have, you know, youth nights that sounds terrible, yeah that's good, remember it's so much better than Youth nights remember tech city training camp was a good concept, it was just for you, you know, it was during the summer, it was during the day, it was like summer camp, yeah, and it was just for the kids to play airsoft, you know, and there's less. pressure well I mean dude even when we did airsoft camp we had a younger player base yeah they make up the majority of the people that came I think they had a lot more fun because it was slower it wasn't as intense like you I've got a bunch of 30 year old guys screaming and moving on well other than us I mean here's another thing and this is probably like going into the pet region when you're playing airsoft and I know there are some adults who want to take it seriously serious when you come across kids playing in your local arena just chill like you just just chill and you know how its not your super hardcore milsim game and if thats what you want then go to those events and act like that dont go and dont even act like that at those events, honestly, but if you're going to act like that, at least do it there compared to the younger generation because like all you can do at that point is drive them away from the sport. and that's the future of the sport or even worse you're teaching them that's the way you're teaching them how to play airsoft well and then they're just going to get old and then and then continue that super negative alpha. style of play and that's I don't know I don't think there's I don't think airsoft requires action violence no I mean that's how you know it does it but it says that to the zipper yes I was going to say though I mean in many ways I think you and I are glad it's not anymore yeah no I think even people you know played back then.
They like to remember the stories but I don't think they want it to go away I want to go back and do it yeah god I remember going home after the games just bleeding yeah literally bleeding yeah yeah no I'm Okay, okay, the next question is from Hannah, which is a, what do you call those words Ryan? which are spelled the same backwards and forwards onomatopoeia no that's not it's not a race car hannah i don't know hahaha i don't know yes it's ok anyway whatever hannah excellent question hello everyone hello everyone i've checked in recently watching airsoft videos like jet leah dayton and dayton and i was wondering why it seemed like there aren't a huge amount of women in airsoft or in the firearms industry in general there are women in the real guns industry and airsoft sadly there are a fine line between being a woman who plays airsoft and being a gun bunny and i don't think there has to be a lot of place for gun bunnies just to sell merchandise yeah i'm okay with that i think you know um too that's how I want to say I know this sounds cliche I mean I'm not saying a site is exclusive this is exclusive to uh you know mailing airsofters or whatever it's not it's a sport for everyone you know, really I don't care whoever you are, um who said, though it's just that you know certain things, certain hobbies appeal to certain demographics, it's just facts that you know, like I'm probably not into shopping for clothes as much as my wife, for example, yes or no I go to be with you you know at the same time that your girlfriend might not be interested in woodworking for example yeah you know there are just hobbies that are usually skewed one way or another um you know we definitely welcome her any.
Who wants to try? You know? I know some female marksmen who are very good marksmen at the firearms ministry. Who really like to worry about firearms. you know some people just aren't going to get into it that's it I think one of the biggest driving factors for bringing new players into the game uh these days has a lot to do with social media and the content that's being consumed online and we have a lot of players saying, oh you know I came across this YouTube video where I saw this guy shoot a bunch of people or you know I watched this and that and I think there's just not a lot of support on the industry for female airsoft players who want to make their own content.
I mean we see a lot of industry-wide endorsements for male players and there's not a lot of support for female players outside of you. leah and and and players like her in the US I think you see a lot more European women who have a huge fan following. few there are quite a few in europe compared to the usa and i think if you saw more support across the industry for female airsofters to play and celebrate them playing airsoft it's just a female airsoft player instead of hey look at the gun which holds up like tighter camouflages than necessary you know or like I don't know I think it really has more to do with how female airsofters are promoted as opposed to showing them off like any other airsoft player and I think that contributes a lot to push potential players away because they see that and say I'm not really you know that's not how I look or that's not what I like or that's you know not the style of play I want to get into I agree with that, but I don't really agree and what I'm saying is that I would think that that would be a motivation for someone who doesn't want that to do the opposite, of course, that's what I would do, that's what I would think, at least I mean you. you know, so you know I would certainly think that would be like, well I don't want airsoft to be like this representing women this way I want it to be yes and that's what the hunting industry did to be honest yeah, I mean, if you look at the hunting industry, they were that. direction probably like in the 70s and 80s a little bit and then they started to be more like no just treat them the same and you know it has helped the hunting industry at least gain a lot more women into that hobby yeah , I would love to see more gamer girls, yeah me too, I think that would be great.
Diablo Pyro asks with the growing popularity and war zone of Call of Duty. Airsoft I love the content. I have always been watching Evic's video since early 2011. Stay safe and keep up the great work. Thanks for your dedication. I'm going to say dude that was pretty much as long as we've been here well I s started in 2011 you started in 2010 um anyway um warzone i don't know what that is uh it's like it's just a call of battle duty real siri you know um i mean battle royale i think it's popular in video games because it's just can draw pretty well in games like airsoft it's very different for number one items where you or the types of games where you pick up items the only way to do 100 player like are you going to make everyone leave their weapon on the field and like?
According to other players who use it, most people aren't, so you would have to have a problem, yeah, to do it, you have to know, to make those kinds of games, you need to have as a big sponsor to just donate all the products that are used yeah and even then it's just a big task you know how you would do it that's a cool idea I'm not saying it can't be done it could be done yeah um you know . could be fun you know um it all comes down to a bunch of things you know with a little bit of honesty you know making sure people know it's a hacked game it's more important for people to be honest with other regular games airsoft yeah because you know it's individual so you really have to be super honest to the point that if you're not honest on a two team thing as a player it's not really going to make a huge difference yeah you know eventually they'll take enough shots to scream or whatever. but like when you go in these huge 1v1s, especially if there's money involved or something like if I mean the Mr.
Beast thing, yeah, you know, who really knows what's going to happen, so yeah, I was going to say that that's probably the biggest hurdle to get over is if you have 100 players on the field there's even less incentive huh to be honest because it's like everyone gets away with it and if you go down there's no one else to help you or to achieve the active goal and then people are going to say no, I'm you know, I'm going to be a lone wolf and no one is going to hit me. they won't budge, they won't take chances, they won't have fun, and besides, even if you roll, say there's no reward for winning, right?
There is no reward at all for winning imagine you get you're like the guy who dies first or second and then lets say you're this is like a normal day in a field you're waiting forever for the next game and probably maybe you don't even like to shoot a weapon like that player those first 10 players who take you out probably before they even find a weapon yeah and then they're sitting there they're sitting there and not having fun like me just no I think it would be cool if you did. like a stage where you have people invited to participate and it's huge like a big airsoft influencer game or something like that would be super cool and maybe it would be some really cool content saying I don't think it would work very well for a public game yes it's just my opinion no you have a point ok let's wrap this episode up. with uh one last question let's do that and one more time before we read this last question if we don't get to your question this episode please repost it from the last episode in the comments section of this episode we'll cut it in our rudders of reasoning and we'll address it in the next episode if you have any feedback on anything we've answered a variable opinion on if uh or why you might think uh uh you know 100 player could be a great battle royale or how you think we can getting more female airsoft players or in the game or maybe why you think American and European female airsoft players are different or games are different any of those thoughts comments questions throw them in the comment section below our last question of this episode comes from m one airsoft yeah why did you do that?
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worstis ok so each do your best and then each do your worst and each will pick one because otherwise we'll do a whole hour on this okay okay obviously there are tons of great knockoffs and tons of horrible knockoffs but let's try to narrow it down to one each what do you think? Let's try to figure out what this truck is doing if it's coming I think. the best airsoft imitation is the bravo avengers m300 lights that are good m300 m 600 i think for an imitation and for its price they are as effective as you need them to be in airsoft they have a pressure switch that fits the common pressure switch mounting options uh they have uh the ability to mount to existing mounts for actual existing flashlights huh and the fact that they are affordable not overpowered in terms of you know it's airsoft you don't need ok i mean we all use mil lumen lights now but for average Airsofter I think a purchase of 50 of a 150 300 lumen light is more than enough.
I like it yeah that's a really cool thing I mean it actually reminded me of another knock off item but um I'm not going to talk about that one I'm actually going to talk actually you know what I have three I have three items now you're supposed to pick one ok ok i have three items i'm not going to take a look i'm going to take a look at the first one ok which is the pec 15 dummy especially the high end ones are actually they're pretty decent and actually they can work pretty well, can't they? the old gmp lasers that we can't get anymore alright alright we won't talk about those too long uh the rasputin stuff which I don't know if it's really much more I don't know if that you know I haven't.
I've really seen a lot in stock yeah but those things were pretty good but I'm going to go with Emerson's blue label uh cry knockoffs and you know their quality is pretty good sometimes I'm going to say this sometimes they use real fabric sometimes they don't fit like I'm not going to sugarcoat it but they are probably durable enough to be able to wear and you know they're pretty nice if you were looking for something that's not as expensive as cry g3s or g4s and that also brings up an interesting point like they're they're kind of imitations, but they're not really correct because they're done in conjunction with crying, aren't they?
I don't know about those. I was not sure. I really don't know. I dont know. What is going on with the whoop license in regards to the airsoft license and where is everything? I see you know I can't say anything specifically about them. I don't really know I have it but I would say yes I would really like to be able to plug in the rasputin stuff more but it's just you don't really see it right anymore but anyway those are the best imitations how about a worst, well go first ok ok so there was a company not to be named that was doing review stuffimitation which is funny because the revision is like a second version some of their goggles are like second versions of Flak cats for example and they're also non-turbo fans they're a actually it's not that expensive and so so much so review is already like an affordable affordable brand that works great and has great anti-fog wipes but there was a company that was making knock off versions of review goggles that would literally break and get on people. eyes and uh and smash and miss and the idea that calling something classified as ansi or appropriate for airsoft and then potentially making players blind for it makes the top of my worst airsoft imitations of all time literally the most important thing in airsoft is to protect your eyeballs yeah yeah ever that company should be ashamed there are some equipment companies overseas I don't really know the specific OEMs because you never know who the OEM actually is but they're from how you know you can buy them from eb Airsoft or whatever, you know those other sites and you like it, maybe you'll get it, maybe you won't like it, it was in those days, you know where, like where, you didn't know.
I just know if you're going to get it or not, but you're like, oh, it's so cheap like I remember buying some of that stuff and you're like wow, like they just fell apart like you're like you. you know you take it out of the bag and like you pull the bag open like you're ripping it off yeah yeah you're like what but yeah probably some of those old chest rigs that were similar to some of the stuff from conor back in the day like the old mcr-3 or something like that oh with a seam that was so bad it was basically i remember buying one and it fell apart yeah just when i was really regretting stitching it up to reinforce it i used it for a while so that was cheap, but some of the ones you have to avoid, yeah, you know, that's the gear that sometimes I want to say isn't a big deal anymore, let's put it that way. be like anybody say its really a thing right now its not as bad as it used to be used to be a free f or all yeah yeah i remember we used to buy we used to buy vests from like a jungle toy back in the day in that like friends straps weren't spaced properly their bags wouldn't fit I remember seeing a few things like that like you the rows would be off and then or like the seams between the bays were off yeah so you you you whatever that stem is called for the back of buddy straps like you pass and like kink between rows dude was like what the hell so glad we don't deal with that anymore but yeah, There's nothing worse than cheap, super-cheap knockoff gear that won't accept standardized bags. between different rigs made by different manufacturers there really is nothing worse than buying inverters it really isn't that hard just making sure everything lines up it's very spaced even if you don't have the machinery to do like automatic the whole row or what whatever, as some companies say that's not a very good question, I'm trying to think of something else, like there have been some headsets that have been really bad, um, you know, it seems like it seems like it's fast. helmets or the ops core helmets and I mean for the money there have been some that are really bad though as they are like too small they won't even fit in most cases. to think there have probably been a few others that we're just not naming i'm curious what other people's experiences are that's an excellent question i think i think our good ones are good our bad ones are a little mediocre i'm sure there are worse things out there , yes, to be honest with you, yes, anyway, to end this video on a high note, if you have any idea what are the best airsoft imitations or the worst airsoft imitations, go ahead and put them in the comments section that we want to hear from you what ex Experiences you've had Have you ever bought something you expected to be poor quality and were surprised at how well it worked or how long it lasted or spent some money on something you really hoped would turn out well just to finding out that eotech you ordered from dhgate turned out to be rose gold instead of desert tan anyway we'll see you guys in the next episode thanks for tuning in this episode of the not so round table if you have any questions. more reminder put them at the helm of reasoning by entering them in the comments section and see you next month see you next month valentines day special oh wait no this is the valentines day special well i had luck yeah for those of you have a valentines day valentine happy valentines day
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