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'An attack on the rule of law': Federal judge calls out Trump for threats to judges & their families

Apr 03, 2024
Barbara, I'll start with you and these comments, these weird comments, I should say, weird public comments from Judge Reggie Walton, first just give us some context of what it means for a sitting

federal

judge

to talk like this in this way and what do you think about it? What did he have to say about what he, his family and other

judge

s are experiencing because of the cases they are taking? Judges traditionally think that

their

comments come only from

their

orders. They are generally loathe to make them public. comments particularly about any particular case, uh, because they don't want to suggest anything other than impartiality, so I think it's pretty extraordinary that the judge is speaking here, but I think only

judges

know what their experiences are like and the types. of the

threats

they are receiving and how new this phenomenon really is.
an attack on the rule of law federal judge calls out trump for threats to judges their families
You know, we can see some examples of

judges

who received

threats

to their lives. There was a judge in New Jersey whose son was murdered by bullets intended for her. For her, there was a judge in Chicago whose husband and her mother were murdered by someone looking for her, so these threats can be very dangerous. And you know, I think the fact that the judge chooses to speak, keep in mind that this is an appointed judge. by the Republican presidents, both Ronald Reagan and George, uh W. Bush, so the fact that he comes out, this is not, you know, a pro-Republican pro-Democrat type of comment, this is a comment on the state of our judiciary and the

rule

of law and talking about Eugene Donald Trump has publicly

attack

ed so many people over the last few years N9, these are things that we cover regularly, he has not faced any real consequences for those verbal

attack

s and that has obviously been devastating for the state of politics. speech in this country because it has really set new parameters, created a new culture, so to speak, where this seems to be acceptable to some people in the Trump Circle, what does it say about our justice system that this judge is now publicly giving this alarm?
an attack on the rule of law federal judge calls out trump for threats to judges their families

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Well, he says. This is an issue that deserves attention at the highest levels of our country. There's been a Reuters report that came out this week that says since 2020 attacks on

federal

judges have more than doubled since 2015, the year former President Donald Trump launched his first presidential campaign, that number has more than tripled. and we've seen Republicans in the judicial system come out and say they think it's partly because of the standards that Donald Trump has now set. I haven't seen many, if any, Republicans on Capitol Hill come out and say this is something that needs to stop and if it doesn't, we could expect it to continue, and there could be consequences even worse than some of what we've already seen.
an attack on the rule of law federal judge calls out trump for threats to judges their families
We have seen. They have been quite harsh in some cases, barbaric, as you pointed out, you know that Judge Walton was appointed by Republican presidents. The Washington Post notes that other Republican-appointed judges have also spoken out on this, clearly not a Democratic or Republican issue at this point. Right now, no matter what Donald Trump says or how he tries to portray him, what can be done is the fact that he has been given so much leeway that he has not been held accountable just for the rhetoric of what he has done. saying. about the judges Clerks of the court Daughters of the judges family members of the judges is that in itself it is dangerous and unprecedented that he has not been held accountable yes, you know, I mean, historically it was not necessary to tell people that whether they didn't threaten to kill the judges and their

families

or not, you know, they say things that would probably inflame the public in such a way that they would become the subject of these types of threats, so we have really crossed over into a new era, um, and you know, Donald Trump.
an attack on the rule of law federal judge calls out trump for threats to judges their families
He's going to look for any loopholes he can find in these gag orders. The one that was issued by Judge Meran did not include the judge's family and so that is who Donald Trump is after, who is who is gone, who is out of reach now. The judge can modify that order, and I suspect it will include the judge's family, to bar the next round, but you know Donald Trump will look for someone else because the judges have been careful to exclude themselves and prosecutors from these orders. silence. allow Donald Trump to criticize the prosecution and the judiciary in these cases.
But I think the way to at least reduce some of this is through vigorous prosecution. You may remember when Merrick Garland was asking us attorneys across the country to uh get together your law enforcement partners and make sure you have a program to prosecute people who engage in threats at board meetings. school, with health officials, with election board officials, and when he testified before Congress, members of the Senate cracked down on him for suggesting he was violating the First Amendment rights of parents and others in communities, threats are not protected by the First Amendment and that's why we have to make it very clear here that this is a serious crime and it threatens to affect the

rule

of law in this country and so on, those people who give any kind of serious discussion about this as if prosecuting threats somehow violates the first amendment is absolutely absurd and is only enabling those who communicate these threats John, let's bring it into this conversation two big stories that are connected this week the bonus that Trump has to pay in the case of fraud was reduced to $75 million and the shares of its social media platform the social truth is made public the value of those shares public in billions even though the company does not actually make money uh and all this in the context of a clock that is still ticking for Trump to pay his bail, where do you see all this title?
Now let me go back for a second, if you don't mind, I just want to say that we don't have to theorize about what the effect of Donald Trump's words is when he attacks people, we've seen it, he's seen it himself, he told them to his followers that Mike Pence was the problem with the 2020 election and they went to the capital and chanted that they wanted to hang him, they looked for Mike Pence, they looked for legislators, so this is not an abstraction, it is not something we have to wonder about , is not something Donald Trump can fake.
He doesn't understand it because the best argument for him on January 6th is that he said something that people took more seriously than he wanted, so he just wanted to get that out of the way in terms of what's going on with Trump in terms of bond reduction and what's happening with this real social stock uh it's a very good monetary week for Donald Trump it could have been very bad um and it looks like he's going to be significantly richer at the end of this than uh we might have expected. that this week Eugene, according to the Washington Post, some of the billionaire GOP donors who walked away from Trump after January 6 are suddenly rediscovering their support for him, makes that make sense to us, what should the voters? far from it, why are they suddenly pivoting towards a guy who may need to distance themselves from what he did on January 6th to suddenly embrace him, uh in the span of less than four years?
Well, it's pretty simple, it's two words, it's tax cuts, uh, president. Trump, when he was in the White House, introduced legislation that made things very lucrative for many of these billionaires and President Biden has committed to promoting legislation and laws that could cause these individuals to experience a decline in their wealth and So despite being very upset with former President Trump after January 6th or at least expressing that he has seen several billionaires attend fundraisers and plans to attend the one the Trump campaign is suggesting next week. bring in $33 million in the hopes that if Trump gets to the White House, they can continue to be the billionaires they currently are and hopefully make even more money, something that is at risk, if Biden wins the election, John.
Although for the most part Trump has been able to choose when he wants to be in court and once his hush money trial begins on April 15, he will actually have to be in court a lot. President Biden, Democrats are already hugely hyping Trump. He's definitely outpacing the Republican Party, what this campaign is going to be like when this trial starts, in a couple of weeks, yeah, when you talk to senior Republican officials, senior Trump campaign officials, they say they don't need to raise that much money. like Joe Biden to win this election and I guess that's good news for them because they're not going to raise as much money as Joe Biden or at least, you know, if things continue on their current trajectory, what this campaign is going to look like. once his trial starts, you'll see a lot of Donald Trump in court, uh, and then you'll see some Donald Trump on the campaign trail.
Let's see it in the electoral campaign. on the weekends we get to see, you know, one day a week or so in court that's not in session, where he goes out and does some events, we're going to see substitutes for him, in terms of family members, other people who are closely identified with his brand and he's going to argue that the trial is actually impeding his ability to campaign, you know, obviously, obviously, those are going to have less sympathy for it than others, but I think we'll see Trump. about the campaign and some ways that it benefits him because he actually he doesn't really like being out there and now he has an excuse ready, um Barbara, I'll close this with the topic that we were opening it up. with and that is the outlook for Trump's appeal of the strange Willis situation in Georgia, perhaps the trial that most expected as one to hold Trump accountable for January 6 in some way, is now moving day by day, but Is this appeal likely? to go anywhere, I don't think so, I mean, first we have to see a certification from Judge Mcfey, although he indicated that he would do that.
I don't think this appeal can delay the case because it is not an issue. Ultimately it is a question about the prosecutor's qualifications and I do not think it is possible to remove her from the case. Remember that judge mfy determined that there was no actual conflict of interest, what he found was the appearance of it was inappropriate and that's why he went further to suggest that Nathan Wade should be removed from the case, so I don't see any successful outcome here. I believe this case is finally on track to go to trial after these motions. make up your mind, hello everyone, MSNBC has a new and improved app, you will receive real-time alerts and analysis, live blogs, in-depth essays, video highlights and the best coverage of the 2024 election, download the new MSNBC app, here We explain how to do it, tap the App Store on your phone you press search in the lower right corner you type MSNBC you click on the MSNBC app you click on get or on the cloud icon and enjoy it

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