54 The Travis Episode 54: Fire in the Sky: The Travis Walton Incident

her sock ring was a huge box that had caused a giant blister all over her ankle it was so big that she had to deal with it and then we were still there like two or three more days because this wasn't a small ring box, it was wooden, oh and it was real, it was a really nice box, he had it stuffed in his sock all night walking around New York because I could see it clearly in his jeans pocket, that's the sweetest thing, yeah, so we got engaged and we went out for chocolate.on Sundays and stuff and then we went and met up with some friends, it was really nice, it was super sweet, yeah, oh Tommy, it was the best, well, it's the only time I've ever been to New York , on that top, Heather, I'll stay there. the streets of New York and see if someone proposes to me, well, maybe a rat, there are many and since so many people get proposed to there, one of them must have a missed engagement, right, I don't know if a rat would propose to me marriage or just take me for his girlfriend like I don't think they asked me I know they just take like pizza you just take it good god well talkin' about being kidnapped by a rat king oh man do you know what it is worse than being abducted by aliens, i think i would prefer aliens to the rat king, frankly, you know what it depends on whether aliens look anything like kate mckinnon on snl or knock knockers.

I would be fine with one of the best sketches, yes, it is my favorite of all time it is great very good today what are we talking about we are talking about the kidnapping of

travis

walton

I'm Christy I'm Heather this is the one about

fire

in the sky I think it came out in the late 90s early 2000s I thought it was older than that, I honestly don't remember it well this is the abduction that that movie was based on it may have been 1993 1993 yes, it's the movie it was based on, so that if you have seen it, even though the movie was tremendously exaggerated, but this is the story it was based on, i saw many interviews with hours of footage of

travis

walton

, he looks like a man who would be abducted by an alien, frankly, You just understand that.

You look at him and say, okay, I get it, yeah, you have that look on you that aliens are when they're trying to choose which one they're going to take, they're like they look ridiculous, nobody. I'll believe them, no, you'll never see Google's CEO come out and say, "Well, they put me on a spaceship last night and they did things to my body anyway. We're launching a new platform today like nobody's numbers." more will look up." Yeah, no, like Yale graduates don't come out, it's always that it's not a surgeon, it's a respect, it's always and it's not that there's anything wrong with being a lager.

I would love for some loggers to come take care of all the debris around our town. Now come grind some mulch, but that's always the case, I guess to be fair, surgeons don't usually perform surgeries in the woods, where aliens might be looking for someone, so maybe it's just a matter of convenience if are you a logger or do you know what you're getting into there's a chance you could be abducted one of our listeners sent me information about insurance there is alien abduction insurance oh yeah and there is also ghost insurance for your house yes you can and apparently there was a hotel that bought ghost insurance a woman was kicked out of the second floor uh I think it was inside anyway they paid the family like a million dollars from Ghost Insurance because the adjusters felt there was a paranormal spirit involved , which seems like it can't be legal.

Give me that high five, you can insure anything, I guess if you're willing to take the risk and well, I guess the family didn't fall out and say no, let's really get to the bottom of what happened, they got a million dollars, who She doesn't care if it was because I mean, what else, otherwise she's the one doing the dumping and you probably aren't. get a payment, yeah I guess, or someone else who abandoned her, that should be in jail or a ghost, it's probably a ghost you never know, it must have been a ghost, yeah well let's get into this good old of Travis on November 5, 1975, Travis Walton, age 22.

The old American beer was working with a team in the Apache Sitgreaves National Forest. The head of the team was Mike Rogers, who also happened to be Travis's best friend and the brother of Travis' girlfriend whom he later married, so, at 22 years old, he is the honest day's work. For the past nine years, Rogers had been contracted to work for the United States Forest Service for this particular job. He and his men had been hired to clear brush and undergrowth from an area of ​​nearly 1,200 acres near Turkey Springs, Arizona. This job was the most lucrative. The contract Rogers had once received and was unfortunately late.

Turkey Springs, Arizona sounds like a fun place to go to Turkey Springs. Man, that sounds like a fun little place where who knows what could happen. There is a lot of fun. There's like Peter Pan, Arizona. lazy with the names, yes, further west, you move, they got pretty loose, all the sun hits your head, everything burned, all the men were working overtime to try to speed up the project just after 6 p.m. m. On November 5, after working hard and a grueling shift, Rogers and his team piled into Roger's truck to return to Snowflake, Arizona, where everyone lived flanked by snow, I don't think they saw any, probably not, I think you've never seen snowflakes, no, it's just maybe it's ironic oh, I was thinking everyone was unique oh unique city oh no one, no one who lives there is the same as a snowflake unique snow I like that, not very much After they began the journey home, the men reported seeing a bright, burning light coming from behind a hill at first, the men thought it was a forest

fire

, but as they got closer, a fire came into view. large silver disk approximately eight feet high and 20 feet in diameter that appeared to be floating above the ground.

Do not drive toward the fire call. the forest service well I guess maybe they felt an obligation do you think if it happened today they would just like to live stream it oh yes absolutely yes the aliens have become so wise that this doesn't happen today because everyone has a phone to document it? True Roger hit the brakes and despite opposition from his co-workers, Walton jumped out of the truck and began running toward the mysterious record yelling dibs on the record, this is mine, as he got under it the record began to make similar loud noises.

I'm sorry, did you say that when it got under the disk of fire it went under the spaceship? In the legal field, this is what we would call assumption of risk. You have placed yourself in a precarious situation and what happens next depends only on you friend according to the men Walton began to walk away from the disk presumably to return to the safety of the truck you know you should do it when suddenly a beam of A blue-green light shot out of the disk, illuminating Walton and immobilizing him. The men claimed that their friend was lifted one foot in the air and thrown 10 feet, causing Walton to fall hard on his right shoulder and his body to lie limp on the ground in terror and fear that his friend was dead, the men men fled the scene in a panic, there's nothing we can do for him, run, Jesus Christ, if you're ever in the car and I do something stupid, but then things take a turn and you think I'm dead, I'd run after a chicken.

Thank you, please don't leave me there. There's like six people who just decided okay, we're done. It wasn't a forest fire. Oh my god, go back and check his hands. We are not going. well they wouldn't if they all have planned an elaborate hoax, interesting theory, what if they were just scared or maybe about an hour after this

incident

occurred the crew decided to get the police involved? Ken Peterson, one of the crew members initially only reported that one of the members of the logging crew was missing, however, when Deputy Sheriff Chuck Ellison met with the men, they told them what they had actually witnessed, two of them were crying, oh, you know, you see your friend almost abducted by aliens and thrown to the ground and you.

We are also going to shed a tear, they filled Travia and I couldn't, how could I not contain myself, maybe they felt guilty because no one went to help his colleague. It's true, they're probably tears of guilt that sound like the sweet name of an album, dope, yes it is. a radio headline, yes, ellison notified his supervisor, sheriff martin gillespie, of the strange accusation and gillespie soon arrived with deputy ken coplin to interview the distraught men, worried about their friend, rogers insisted that they needed to return to The scene to search for Walton, but three of the crew members were too upset to return and instead headed to Snowflake to alert Walton's family and friends about the situation, with that, Rogers, the remaining members of the crew and the police headed to the site of the alleged kidnapping, so he is now concerned that they did not do so.

I was worried when it happened and I imagine he thinks his sister would probably be like, What do you mean you left him? What do you mean you left my boyfriend in the ray of light? You threw him to the ground and did nothing to help. When law enforcement arrived on the scene, they were immediately suspicious of the crew's story, as there was no physical evidence to support the account, no disturbance on the ground where Walton's body was allegedly dumped, or any other indication that a giant flying. The puck had been in the area, yet police and volunteers searched the area but found no trace of Walton.

Quick question: what would a frisbee trail be? Because it is in the air, so it doesn't leave any marks, maybe burned like burnt tree tops. yes, since it is the heat of the beam, the ship is the heat of the ship, that is what they call it the ship, the UFO, I don't know the alien jargon, neither do I, but some, but I feel that the ship is something that they probably call Although yes, spaceship, plane, ship of change, I have asked several different people if they believe in aliens and almost unanimously I got yes, I believe in them, yes, but I think the different opinion is like they have been with you like us, yes.

They have been to earth they have come so that you would come to the United States I don't know if they visited the United States I think they have My cousin was like the rational thinker in our family so I was with him this weekend and I asked him and he told me : "You know, it would be like if aliens came to Earth, maybe we wouldn't even notice. He goes the same way, like a squirrel, he doesn't know what a car is, you just see one thing and they're like oh, that's something, yeah, we may have all seen it, but we had no idea and we were like, oh, we've just figured it out, yeah, they walk among us, maybe, oh God, because they're in the triumvirate we talked about.

We're between Colorado Martha and Arizona or whatever or New Mexico and yes, Roswell, 10 miles from Snowflake, on a small ranch in the town of Bear Creek, lived Mary Walton Kellett, Travis's mother, when Mike Rogers and the Sheriff Coplin arrived to tell him the disturbing news. His reaction confused the men. Man, we have some news about your son. Oh God, did they arrest him again for blinking? No, he was sucked into an alien ship. Oh, what do I mean, absorbed by an alien ship. Does anyone want some tea? She wasn't eliminated at all. No way, she at first she, she understandably, she asked them to repeat what they had just said.

Then she, she calmly, she asked if anyone other than the police and the witnesses had heard the story that you all were telling people. This strange response would later contribute to the suspicion that something other than a UFO was responsible for her son's absence, so you think Mary was involved in this too, when all is said and done I don't think she knew they were to do, but I think I knew it hadn't really happened, other interesting ones came along. to Mary's defense by saying that she was simply a cautious woman who after raising six children alone during particularly difficult times had learned not to crumble in the face of tragedy by giving it the benefit, so maybe she just has her cards, don't close the chest, her.

She doesn't want to fall, you know she is the face of the family's triumph and bravery, so she will stick together and hold down the fort for the next two days. Officials and volunteers continued to search the area with helicopters, horse-mounted officers and jeeps, but there was still no sign of Walton and police did not suspect that the UFO story had been made up by the crew to cover up an accident or possibly a murder. . We're getting into Occam's razor territory, where you're fine if it's not this. So the most likely scenario is what I think maybe should have been the first thing we would havemore, to an alien?

This caused most of the industry to conclude that this made the results moot, I mean, I guess you know that's an argument that could be made is that even if at this time law enforcement still used the polygraph, whether what McCarthy was using was from the 1960s or whatever kind of scientific research method is being used now, with the exception of fingerprint testing, which is virtually unchanged. One of the things they are using is that if something is 30 years old it will no longer be right, so it is understandable, even though Walton later took and passed two polygraph tests, the shadow of doubt from the first one would never dissipate. and The results of this test remain mired in controversy to this day, thirty years after the release of Travis Walton's book, he appeared on the Fox game show The Moment of Truth and was asked if he was, in fact, abducted. by a UFO on November 5, 1975, to which he responded. yes, however, the polygraph test determined that he was lying.

Skeptics point out that this proves that he was not kidnapped. However, those same skeptics do not believe the polygraph test that Travis and the other crew members underwent at the time of the

incident

. or it's going to be useless, it's convenient because okay, I think this is now, if he gets the answer I want him to get, then I believe it and if he gets the opposite, I think it's like the Internet if you want, yeah, if you have one opinion, you can find things to prove or disprove on the Internet and you will just choose, you choose to appeal and you want to be like I want to believe that vaccines are bad for you.

You're fine, you can find a website that tells you what you are absolutely going to believe and you can find them to tell you the opposite all too correctly in an attempt to unlock deeper memories of the abduction. Travis agreed to undergo hypnotic regression. He and his brother Dwayne met with professional consultant James Harder to perform the treatment. Hardhard found it interesting and unusual that Walton's conscious memory of the events was the same as what his unconscious memory discovered; furthermore, Walton was only able to access the period of the next two hours when he was hit by the beam of light according to Walton, anything beyond that had the feeling of being out of bounds and that if he tried to unlock them he would die, good goal, well that's convenient, I don't know, I don't remember that was like when you, your parents are questioning you, that's true, what would you do last night?

You drink? I do not know, I do not remember. I can tell you if you say. I don't know. I don't remember. If I could, if I tell you, I will die, yes, if I tell you no, I will die, mom, do you want me to die? Do you want me to die? I just want to go ahead and point out that we have a lord. tougher sheriff flake dr saltz yeah this sounds like he's an old man this is all just a big ruse that this whole town cooked up interesting well there is no shortage of skeptics and critics when it comes to this story but if travis walton was really He was not abducted by aliens.

Why invent such an elaborate hoax? What is really happening? Many believe that the contract Mike Rogers had with the United States Forest Service is a key point of interest. It was no secret that an important fact in Rogers winning the contract bid was However, due to its considerable undercutting of its competition, by the summer of 1975 it was becoming increasingly obvious to Rogers that it simply was not going to deliver. With the predetermined deadline to complete the work, Rogers requested an extension of the deadline to complete the work by November 10 and, although this was granted, the extension meant that Rogers would be fined, thus making less money than he had made. .

He had originally made up his mind, so he offers to do it for cheaper and now he also has to pay a fine, so he will probably be operating at a loss at some point. Yes, as the new deadline quickly approached, it became obvious to Rogers once again that he and his team were not going to finish the job by hesitating to request another deadline and incur more fines. Rogers found himself in a difficult position; furthermore, because he had already missed the original target date, the Forest Service would not pay for the job in full until it was completed. was full and now you're operating without the bills being paid, so you're in a tough game, you're in a bind, you're in an alien bind, this is when you have to have an alien abduction with the possibility of not being able to pay your crew or himself and with winter approaching, which would result in less work, some believe that Rogers, along with the rest of the crew, concocted the kidnapping claim to void the logging contract and receive full payment due to circumstances beyond their control. control that kept them from finishing the job Mike, my question here is like it's just one guy on their team, why couldn't they finish it without Travis?

I guess because they are all mortified and don't want to go back to the site. I don't know you. You can't see my face or you're just looking for an excuse not to because you know you won't be able to continue anyway, have mercy on me Others argued against this idea and pointed out that Rogers had not completed forest service contracts. in the past and had been rehired without consequences, that's the government that doesn't care, plus, Rogers never attempted to invoke the Act of God clause at any time after Walton disappeared, which is called the force majeure clause, so that he didn't try to do it.

Yes, it's emotional, it makes sense, but he never enacted it, so I think his argument was also that we can't continue to complete our work because they're out there looking for it. Yes, they couldn't get in because of this. search act is a crime scene yes, yes, but that's only five days, yes, the son of one of travis walton's classmates, who is also the nephew of sheriff snowflake of arizona, played by James Garner on fire in the sky, has spoken out in recent years and also insists that the entire incident was an elaborate hoax perpetrated by a money-hungry, drug-driven and stressed-out Walton.

This theory, I think we should point it out, so Chrissy did a lot of research early on as to what. Travis' statement was information from his books. I went deep watching videos of Travis Walton as he travels the world speaking at extraterrestrial conferences and I got very deep into the extraterrestrial message boards, so deep that those message words are so deep, yes, and when one of them I found out that we are very high depending on, I mean, the sky is above us, but I found this theory here and this guy seems to have a high when he wrote it, he read it and he said this looks like a geocity site, yeah, this. the guy is clearly blogging from his mom's basement the score is up he's doing a lot of drugs it's very late at night yeah well the nephew claims Walton was in legal trouble with ongoing logging contracts and was losing money.

Walton supposedly made up the whole hoax to get out of his debts and precarious financial situation, so it's similar to the first one, yes, according to the nephew, seeing strange planes in the area where Walton was supposedly kidnapped was not out of the ordinary, the air force frequently conducted training maneuvers in the area and the campers. in the white mountains I had seen planes flying however it was common knowledge that they were nothing more than air force planes on training missions that is what the aliens want you to think it would be convenient for the aliens to kidnap you where these others already are planes When the humidity is very cold in the area, the theory goes that Walton and Mike Rogers got the other men on the crew drunk before driving to where one of the air force planes was training Rogers and then sped away. speed once Travis was under the plane's spotlight.

While convincing the other men that they had just witnessed a UFO earlier that night, after rumors of an alien abduction were already spreading through the city, Rogers took Walton to a friend's house on the outskirts of town. , where he hid for the next five days, according to the nephew when the town discovered it was nothing more than a hoax Travis' family was ostracized by the townspeople and his children were bullied at school your dad was absorbed by Not an alien, but he didn't, that's why they're mad at your dad Don't get sucked in by a lying alien, you loser, my dad gets sucked in by aliens all the time, no one had anything to do with your death, but yet others have said that this theory is not plausible since Travis Walton was a Mormon who did not use drugs or alcohol.

Travis himself has completely denied the nephew's theory and has pointed to the dangerous logging work as proof that the men would never have been drinking on the job. That's true, I mean, you're operating heavy machinery and you might know that you drink afterwards, yeah, but probably. It's not a waste at work, I also think it would be a plane that looks like a plane, yes if you come across a spaceship in the sky, we've all seen planes and it moves like what they are describing. be like a helicopter but a helicopter operates like a helicopter it's like and it looks like a helicopter it looks like a plane I don't think it can just float eight feet off the ground or whatever no matter how much it was secret military planning yes maybe another Plausible explanation for inventing all this is simply the desire for fame and fortune.

In 1978 Walton published his book The Walton Experience in which he tells the story of his kidnapping and the subsequent consequences. In 1993 his book was adapted into the film Fire in the Sky, a wildly exaggerated account of what Walton says happened, which had moderate success and mixed reviews, so it took three years to write the book and then another 13 years, actually 12 years, 15. He had been planning it ever since. First, that first alien spaceship he saw 12 years ago, when Dwayne thought so, so I really mean it's not like he's an instant millionaire, no, but you rarely are, but I'm sure he was, he was in the media circuit immediately.

Sally Justin maybe maybe not money right away, but the fame part came right away, definitely, interviews and all that, he was in the paper, yeah, and then I mean, if you're in the paper, you made it, you succeeded due to inaccuracy. of the film that the producers admit was significantly glorified because Walton's story was too basic, yes, basic. Since then, Walton has been collecting hundreds of thousands of emails to remake the movie, but he refuses to participate in another movie unless it's super accurate. the facts and continues with his new interpretation of what happened, that the aliens were trying to save his life, that's what he really believes now that he had an epiphany in 2017, well, who doesn't?

He turned down offers from production companies, including the company he produced. game of thrones when they refused to let him dictate the content of the movie, where you're just an idiot if game of the people who produce game of thrones offer to do anything for you, they accept it, no matter what it is. Yes, although Travis Walton obviously made money from the incident, none of the other loggers found fame and fortune, leading many to believe that they were not involved in the hoax or actually believe what they saw. In fact, reports indicate that one of the loggers was offering him money to change his story and speak out against Travis, which he refused, fool, take that money.

Others have reported that each man received five thousand dollars, about twenty thousand dollars today, from the National Enquirer for the best UFO case of the year and that Mike Rogers' logging debts were forgiven, so in a way it worked out for a lot of people, yeah Well, there are other random theories too. His colleagues or another unknown assailant postulated that Walton had actually woken up in a hospital room, but he was so confused and disoriented that he mistook his surroundings for that of a spaceship. One doctor even pointed out that the red spot found on Walton's arm during the exam was where someone could have injected him with the drugs.

This theory, however, is riddled with holes. The red mark was not near a vein and Walton claimed it was from a work injury. None of this explains all the men who claim to have seen the spaceship. Drugs were found in his system and, most importantly, there is no reason to support this theory. Yeah, why would they drug them? He interviewed Travis Walton at an alien conference in 2017. After speaking with Travis Robinson, he concluded that the aliens actually killed Travis while he was trying to take off and leave Earth, when the aliens realized what they had done they decided not to leave him. like intergalactic roadkill as Travis called it.

But instead, they sucked him into the ship to save his life. TheBenevolent aliens felt guilty for what they had done and tried to undo their mistake. This is the most logical thing to do, so they killed him, but then, by accident, they saved his life. life, they resurrected him in the spaceship and then they returned him to this gas station, right, I think the theory is exactly yes, the theory is that the spaceship was floating for other purposes, Walton runs over there and they say, oh, take off, There is a human. close no, not that way, idiot, oh no, you hit him with the laser beam, well, don't leave them there, bring them here, so when, because no one stayed to help them, yeah, they drove, they didn't see their friends They will help you. he's walking away they're driving a little stretcher and they all had like little lab coats and little stethoscopes well, they're little overalls they're little doctor's overalls surely their friends will help them they're walking away yeah oh no So yeah, that's the theory: it They accidentally killed, felt guilty and turned away.

Why does he now believe this is what happened? Because J.P. Robinson told him I don't know. So JB. Robinson put this into his head. Yes, it seems. like this guy could be susceptible to suggestions I don't know call me crazy wait a minute well then that's what really happened online commentator Frida Butter Shops put forward the theory that the raccoon had him up a tree for five days and made him indescribable things, that's all free for butter chops you're doing the lord's job and if that name wasn't already taken, I'd take it right now. Such a good name, it's a great name.

I saw it and put it in the notes. He was like you. I'll like it, I love a good online commentator, well luckily the internet has plenty of them to this day. Walton maintains that the incident really happened. He calls those who don't believe in aliens flat earthers, which makes no sense. and he rejects any idea that he or his friends made up the incident. I really wonder if they did. Remember that guy who was on the league TV show that he told enough people that he was on 911? Then she started saying Believe it, he liked it and then he told hers too a documentary called The Woman Who Wasn't There, which is pretty much the same thing she said she was on 9/11.

Yes, she knows she wasn't, but she convinced everyone. kind of people and he was the head of a board and uh, it was a fantastic documentary, it's called the woman who wasn't there, yeah, I mean, I would love to, but yeah, the league guy, basically, and then he goes and He tells the story and an interviewer says, Oh, really, and then of course the reporter finally looks her up and then it turns out she was several blocks away and she loses her Buffalo Wild Wings endorsement, I mean, it ruined her career. but he said that he had told this story so many times that it escaped me and i really started to believe it and i wonder at this point if at that moment travis walton really didn't let it sink in, but now at this point he told me.

It's so many times that he believes physically physiologically, that's why you would pass a polygraph, yes, although he failed the fox one, yes, and that's why I'm supposed to say who's supposed to say. In an interview with Wired magazine, the author indicated that Walton reacted to seeing the Exxon station where he had been left with the fatigue of someone who survived something traumatic, likewise others who knew him said that they did not seem comfortable with his notoriety and fame and that they had the impression that he wished it had never been like that. It happened well, sometimes we want something and then it comes true and we wish we never had a vampire riddle.

Another journalist said that Travis is a very genuine person in his demeanor. Len's credibility. If it's all made up, he managed to stay alive for a while. a long time and decided that he was going to keep this program until his death, well some people do that, yeah, I mean, people's whole life is a lie, seriously, your whole life is a lie and you just believe in Your own hype, yeah, what's that? Understand me. Roger Stone, have you seen that? No, oh man, I think he'll make me angry, he'll make you angry, but he's really good, but he's a person who likes it.

I totally forgot that he was actively involved in Watergate like he just loves Richard Nixon. He doesn't believe Richard Nixon did anything wrong. Just for those of you who don't know that Roger Stone is an American politician. I guess he's kind of a consultant now. and he's like a fixer and he's actually responsible for the Obama Birther movement that planted that seed fixer and cut off the top, yeah he likes disinformation campaigns and stuff like that, but yeah, it got off to a really shady start, but he's created this type of person for himself and it's like you make this caricature of yourself and you think that lie versus who you really are, yeah, it's interesting, but eventually it gets swept under the rug and no one really talks about it. and suddenly, find out and you'll lose your Buffalo Wildlings endorsements, which is the saddest thing that could happen to a Dr.

Leo Sprinkle again. Come on, can those be real names? At the University of Wyoming, Travis was given mental testing, which Travis said revealed a normal total mental score. I wrote it verbatim from a YouTube video interview with him. What is yes and normal is nice. I have a normal mental score. It's like stopping shouting. Dr. Jan Heinrich of the Blue Book Project, which is a series of systematic studies of The UFOs made by the United States Air Force interviewed Walton and issued a press release saying that he was not perpetuating a hoax, so he points that out and that is further proof that he was more legitimate than the other things. , a bit Walton now.

He tours UFO conferences and charges fees to speak about the incident. He also sponsors his own UFO conference in Arizona called the Sky Fire Summit and even appeared on an

episode

of Keeping Up with the Kardashians season 8,

episode

19, where he met with everyone. kardashian clan when they traveled to the desert to hunt aliens he, uh, made a name for himself, made it to the kardashians, I mean he's famous, same unfortunate fortune right there, that's what you've done if you appear on that show I'm pretty sure there is a fee you can pay and you can go to the part of the forest that was absorbed by the road, I think it's a bit blocked now but as close as you can get and get out at night. oh I saw a youtube video before of a guy there last year okay it's like a camp yeah okay you can go out there yeah so what do we think?

I definitely think the aliens accidentally killed him and sucked him to do it. better that's probably what happened or it was all made up i think he's the first i think it was all made up by him and his brother and i think mike rogers was involved too i think the rest of the team probably didn't know what was going on so Therefore, the polygraph questions were also asked in a way that they could easily say yes, yes, and they were not specific, it was not, did you see, did you see an alien, was, did you see a UFO.

I mean, anything is an unidentified flying object in the sky. It was not. Did you see a beam of blue-green light that hit your friend and knocked him to the ground, leaving him unconscious? Yes, it was more like you were in the forest. Yes, you did it? see something unusual yes, you were afraid yes, yes, yes, all those things are true, yes, I think the logging contract is a very good theory because it did not invoke the act of God clause, although it makes me wonder, yes, however , his debts were forgiven. True, so maybe the government felt bad mm-hmm and they got five thousand dollars, which in the '70s was a lot of money, yeah, I mean, now it's a lot of money.

I would take 500. I think they were well-known UFO buffs. He had told his mom five days before, so it never happened because she knew they were planning it and he didn't want her to worry. If you fake your own death, you know you would tell someone like yeah, I honestly believe he told his mom. that's one of the most telling things that condemn people, this was a hoax, yeah, interesting, and he was probably just staying at a friend's house or doing drugs or in a cabin or something for five days and eating Doritos, yeah, that's not so bad, no, no. tell us what you think, yes let us know what you say also if any of you have experiences with aliens, have seen aliens, been abducted by aliens or know someone please send us a dna or an alien, send us a private message, yeah email if you listen to this in another solar system if you feel like it please leave us an itunes review app that none of us know about.

We love an iTunes review. It is complete throughout the ship. Everyone loves it. We especially like the story where Christy poops on our fans, yes. we had a big laugh thank you, thank you as people who put things up our butts, it's always great to hear stories about things that are to come, why does everyone think that aliens put things up our butts because they don't, well, I don't HE? Aliens have been to America, I think so, do you think aliens have visited you? Yes, it's okay, right? I think so, you believe in it. Yeah, I thought, I thought you didn't think aliens had ever visited.

I knew you believed. In them, no, I'm sure they do. I don't believe this particular story, but I do think they probably made contact in certain ways. Oh yeah, God has aliens when it comes to climbing up the butt, I think. It's because it's one of the easiest ways to trigger something inside of you that is real nausea, I mean, doctors do it for colonoscopies and stuff or other medical procedures, so yeah, I feel like going down your throat, it's like If there were more and you must like it. I don't know, it looks like you can bite there are teeth that are harder to do than if you just went up someone's butt there are teeth in the mouth the butt goes smoothly hopefully ideal teeth in your butt so well many of you have asked if we have a Patreon , where you can donate to the show that we do, our show will always be free, but if you would like to make a donation to help offset the cost of making and hosting the show, you can go to sinisterhood.com and click on patreon in the top right corner .

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